By Annie-Rose Strasser on Dec 14, 2012 at 11:31 am
Credit: AP Scores of people — including children — were killed on Friday morning when at least one gunman opened fire in an Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, CT.
Children were reportedly told to run out of the building with their eyes closed after the incident occurred Friday. Reports from the Hartford Courant suggest that the shooting took place inside of a kindergarten classroom.
A total of 28 are dead, including 20 children, according to Connecticut state police Lt. Paul Vance. One gunman was also killed. Only one person made it out injured, but alive. Every person in the kindergarten classroom of Lanza’s mother was reportedly killed in the attack.
The gunman has been identified as 24 year-old Ryan Lanza. His mother, one of those killed in the shooting, worked as a teacher at the school. A second potential gunman, identified by some news outlets as Lanza’s brother, was found in the woods near the school is custody, according to NBC. The AP also reports that Lanza’s girlfriend and friend are missing in New Jersey.
According to Hartford Courant reporter Dave Altimari, the gunman was “heavily armed” with “multiple weapons when he entered the school.” He was also reported to be wearing camouflage and a bullet proof vest. At least four guns were used, including, according to the BBC and AP a .223-caliber assault rifle:
The Sandy Hook school serves children in grades kindergarten through 4th. The entire school system in the area was on lock down earlier in the day, but parents have come forward to bring the children who survived the shooting home. ABC News points out this chilling statistic: There have been an estimated 31 school shootings since the shooting at Columbine in 1999.
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ABC News notes that there have been an estimated 31 school shootings since the shooting at Columbine in 1999.
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President Obama: This afternoon, I spoke with Governor Malloy and FBI Director Mueller. I offered Governor Malloy my condolences on behalf of the nation, and made it clear he will have every single resource that he needs to investigate this heinous crime, care for the victims, counsel their families.
We’ve endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. And each time I learn the news I react not as a President, but as anybody else would — as a parent. And that was especially true today. I know there’s not a parent in America who doesn’t feel the same overwhelming grief that I do.
The majority of those who died today were children — beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. They had their entire lives ahead of them — birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. Among the fallen were also teachers — men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams.
So our hearts are broken today — for the parents and grandparents, sisters and brothers of these little children, and for the families of the adults who were lost. Our hearts are broken for the parents of the survivors as well, for as blessed as they are to have their children home tonight, they know that their children’s innocence has been torn away from them too early, and there are no words that will ease their pain.
As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago — these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.
This evening, Michelle and I will do what I know every parent in America will do, which is hug our children a little tighter and we’ll tell them that we love them, and we’ll remind each other how deeply we love one another. But there are families in Connecticut who cannot do that tonight. And they need all of us right now. In the hard days to come, that community needs us to be at our best as Americans. And I will do everything in my power as President to help.
Because while nothing can fill the space of a lost child or loved one, all of us can extend a hand to those in need — to remind them that we are there for them, that we are praying for them, that the love they felt for those they lost endures not just in their memories but also in ours.
May God bless the memory of the victims and, in the words of Scripture, heal the brokenhearted
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God bless the families of those who were lost.
Unfortunately this will be twisted into another gun control issue instead of the truth.
We'll just keep feeding them happy meals with their adult ADD medication and hope that we don't get 1 bad reaction out of 100 million.
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this shooter was alos privileged (like the orange hair shooter)
Sandeep Kapur, who lives two doors down from the Lanza family in Newtown, said he did not know them and was unaware of any disturbances at the Lanza house in the three years that he and his family have been in the neighborhood.
He described the area as a subdivision of well-tended, 15-year-old homes on lots of an acre or more, where many people work at companies like General Electric, Pepsi and IBM. Some are doctors, and his next-door neighbor is a bank CEO, said Kapur, a project manager at an information technology firm.
dad was tax director at GE, Mom was some sort of aide at the school...
the kid has been described as possibly a genius and nerdy... into goth...
i dunno what makes soemeone want to commit suicide and take other with them, it must be severe hopelessness...
and the newsfolks will grind all this into dust while they try convince everybody that all you have to do is make a new gun law and we'll be safe...
people this sick can always find a way to hurt us - we need to try to find ways to help people that are sick like this before they become so hopeless IMO...
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On Friday morning, 27 people were reportedly shot and killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, CT. According to sources, 18 of these casualties were children. This is the second mass shooting in the US this week, after a gunman opened fire in an Oregon shopping mall on Tuesday, killing 2. ABC News reports that there have been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999, when 13 people were killed.
The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High massacre:
December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.
September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.
August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.
July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.
May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.
April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.
April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.
September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.
January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.
August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.
November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.
April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.
March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.
February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.
February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.
December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.
April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.
February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talović. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.
October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.
March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.
March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.
March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.
July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MI in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7.
September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.
July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.
April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.
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take away the guns? and it'll be cars, or gasoline, or pesticides,or pipe bombs...
something IS wrong with people- a large part of the problem is how the media goes into 24-7 mode on this stuff... any publicty they can get?
notice that i refuse to name the shooters...
that is part of the "appeal"(?) to the shooters, to go down in the books - we should give them ridiculous names and not their real names. like the orange hair shooter etc... manson? everybody knows that name...
i notice you didn't find much on the shooters demise... they tend to kill themsleves right? isn't that illegal too?
i can relate to people who commit violence in self defense, i cannot even begin to grasp why somebody would kill themsleves and take children with them... even a parent... or especially parents...
sucide is usually a passive aggressive attack on the peoplearound the perp... suicide and murder? they seem like opposites.....seems like utter hopelessness mixed with ultimate hatred...
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I can't stand TV news now or even TV period cept for a sporting event or documentary. The news glamorizes this sh!t like it's a hollywood production.
I wonder if any of the above were CIA derived shootings...
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A petition started yesterday afternoon at the White House’s official petition site has over 87,000 signatures as of this writing calling upon President Obama to “produce legislation that limits access to guns.” According to the petition, “[p]owerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution’s intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve.”
Although President Obama reacted emotionally to yesterday’s mass shooting, his record on gun regulation gives little comfort to the many Americans demanding real action to prevent similar tragedies in the future. Indeed, gun owners’ rights have increased under this president; Obama’s most significant guns legislation is a law he signed allowing loaded guns in national parks. You can add your name to the petition calling up President Obama to support gun regulation here.
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I really don't care much who says what, all the news coverage etc. just seems to glamorize these deaths.
You don't see days and days of media coverage for the person that does a good deed for many people,only when there is harm or death.
A lot of very young kids are either dead or scarred for life.
People make a lot of money off of the pain of others.
You can ban or restrict whatever you want, but if we want any type of free society these indivuals will always find a way to beat whatever ban there is, or another way to kill.
Not sure what the fix is, but less publicity would help a lot.
Doesn't make much sense to take the innocence away from so many kids at one time.
I just think the only way these indivuals get the idea for such a hellish event, is through what they have seen or heard from other similiar events.
But then again the news media is going to cover what makes them money and many people will watch days of this, if they weren't, the media would not spend the time and money covering it...catch 22.
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I really don't care much who says what, all the news coverage etc. just seems to glamorize these deaths.
You don't see days and days of media coverage for the person that does a good deed for many people,only when there is harm or death.
A lot of very young kids are either dead or scarred for life.
People make a lot of money off of the pain of others.
You can ban or restrict whatever you want, but if we want any type of free society these indivuals will always find a way to beat whatever ban there is, or another way to kill.
Not sure what the fix is, but less publicity would help a lot.
Doesn't make much sense to take the innocence away from so many kids at one time.
I just think the only way these indivuals get the idea for such a hellish event, is through what they have seen or heard from other similiar events.
But then again the news media is going to cover what makes them money and many people will watch days of this, if they weren't, the media would not spend the time and money covering it...catch 22.
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very well said iwish. there seems to be people without souls... in the mideast they strap bombs to themselves and even their kids- all that equipment is illegal too...
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Really cool supress the 1st amendment to save the 2nd amendment. Where did that come from nra headquaters.
Face it you guys are going to face some flak on this one two shooting sprees back to back. 9000 gun related deaths a year in America. American society is sick. Rome is burning and the nra crowd is fanning the flames along with all the others.
At least the nra head quarters has the brains to say no comment at this time,and lets there soldiers do there mouth work.
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seriously - follow this with your emotuions? the Dems will lose everything again. watch...
you were just claiming Obama won't go after guns, now your emotions are running your brain.
just like all these peckerhead journalists- complaining because we don;t allow our emotions to take over? sheesh...
are you really changing your position this fast? think with your head. you take away guns form law abiding people and those people you were prtoceting society form will take over, just like in Mexico.... the drug and alcohol bans have worked so well....
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I said Obama has not gone after gun rights but I feel events are going to change that. There is a ground swell of public protest brewing and going to explode.
These were children with anywhere of 3 to 7 bullets in each body. Thank God the 1st responders were quick that is the only reason the body count was 26and no more.
The best thing you folks can do is stop blaming and justifing your postion by giving examples of other wrongs in society.
The public has a right to know the story and I am a bleiever in a non restricted press.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: I said Obama has not gone after gun rights but I feel events are going to change that. There is a ground swell of public protest brewing and going to explode.
These were children with anywhere of 3 to 7 bullets in each body. Thank God the 1st responders were quick that is the only reason the body count was 26and no more.
The best thing you folks can do is stop blaming and justifing your postion by giving examples of other wrongs in society.
The public has a right to know the story and I am a bleiever in a non restricted press.
ray, i'm not showing other wrongs in society.
the Constitution is plainly written. The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. using technical grammar? that part of the statement is the operator. shall not be infringed, we've already cocneded too much infringemnt, the writers of that were revolutionaries, they meant for US to have the same thing th emilitary did.. of course hand grenades adn nukes would be ridicluous, but the Constituion says waht it says, and i t said it to prevent Tyranny, not for "sport"
they have already violated the constituion with allot of these gun laws-
sick people are no tsick because they got hold of gun. sick people are doing this stuff because WE are not taking of the sick as they need... the media DOES feed that sickness. nobody is censuring or suggesting censure, the suggestion is to stop glorifying this crap. How much moaney did michale moore make offof his columbine movie? how many now do this to try to get that kind of attention? we can't really know can we, but it doesn't tke much common sense to know that everybody does know Charles mansons MAME if not exactly what he did.
as for killing kids? the guy could have driven thru a bus stop, the list is endless. don;t be mindless minion...
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." they who give up their freedom get Dictators. Hell most of the world is run by them, even China who calls itself communist is a dictatorship by Party (rather than family) we are Free because we pay the price. the price ain't cheap and Freedom ain't free
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I am cutting and pasting this whole thig cuz THIS is threal problem. it isn't a new thing either, but we try to pretned we can ignore this stuff today- give 'em a pill and get 'em to workor school.. some people are just not right and never will be, we used to take better care of them.... until Reagan in fact...( and yeah i voted for him but didn;t agree with what he did)
I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother Liza Long
Three days before 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year-old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.
"I can wear these pants," he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.
"They are navy blue," I told him. "Your school's dress code says black or khaki pants only."
"They told me I could wear these," he insisted. "You're a stupid *****. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!"
"You can't wear whatever pants you want to," I said, my tone affable, reasonable. "And you definitely cannot call me a stupid *****. You're grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school."
I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.
A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7- and 9-year-old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.
That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn't have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.
We still don't know what's wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He's been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood-altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.
At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he's in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He's in a good mood most of the time. But when he's not, watch out. And it's impossible to predict what will set him off.
Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district's most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can't function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30 to 1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.
The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, "Look, Mom, I'm really sorry. Can I have video games back today?"
"No way," I told him. "You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly."
His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. "Then I'm going to kill myself," he said. "I'm going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself."
That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.
"Where are you taking me?" he said, suddenly worried. "Where are we going?"
"You know where we are going," I replied.
"No! You can't do that to me! You're sending me to hell! You're sending me straight to hell!"
I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. "Call the police," I said. "Hurry."
Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn't escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I'm still stronger than he is, but I won't be for much longer.
The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork—"Were there any difficulties with… at what age did your child… were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have…"
At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You'll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.
For days, my son insisted that I was lying—that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, "I hate you. And I'm going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here."
By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I've heard those promises for years. I don't believe them anymore.
On the intake form, under the question, "What are your expectations for treatment?" I wrote, "I need help."
And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.
I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it's easy to talk about guns. But it's time to talk about mental illness.
According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.
When I asked my son's social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. "If he's back in the system, they'll create a paper trail," he said. "That's the only way you're ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you've got charges."
I don't believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael's sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn't deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.
With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation's largest treatment centers in 2011.
No one wants to send a 13-year-old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, "Something must be done."
I agree that something must be done. It's time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That's the only way our nation can ever truly heal.
God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.
liza long is an author, musician, and erstwhile classicist. she is also a single mother of four bright, loved children, one of whom has special needs.
Republished with permission from the Blue Review, a non-profit publication affiliated with Boise State University that publishes a mix of scholarly essays and journalism. The original post can be found here. http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother
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Increasingly obese children, pilled up kids, couch potatoes, genetically modified foods, fast food multiple times a week, glorified violence from hollywood, more single parent homes and on and on.
If you are an atheist I would wonder where you get your hope from, who do you turn to for healing, there is a more powerful way to help and serve others than foaming at the mouth for new gun laws.
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"Increasingly obese children, pilled up kids, couch potatoes, genetically modified foods, fast food multiple times a week, glorified violence from hollywood, more single parent homes and on and on.
If you are an atheist I would wonder where you get your hope from, who do you turn to for healing, there is a more powerful way to help and serve others than foaming at the mouth for new gun laws." _________________________________________________
I coach kids at different sports, have done so off and on for 40+ years.
I believe all eat fast food that i am around, some are overweight, some are smarter than others, some faster, some slower,lots play video games, all have probably seen violence on tv or videos, hopefully not real violence.
I can go on and on and somehow would describe most generations in the last 60 years, changing a few of the facts.
But all and all the kids would give anyone hope that really listens to them, why do they need to be healed? its the parents that sometimes worry me.
Let them be kids as long as they can, and yes some will get in trouble, hopefully not bad trouble, that is part of growing and learning in many cases.
CashCowMoo you sound like what i try and avoid by working with kids.
Not get old in the mind to soon, kids will help you be younger in the mind if your willing to listen and not dictate to them what we believe.
this guy is asking some of the questions i was asking myself on Friday, i listened and followed several channels. I always assume that the 'fog of war" explains alot of confusion, but the confusion on this was under control in th sense that the rpeorters were very slow in providing info, the death count was only 2- or 3 for several hours... then it suddenly jumped up late itn eh day.
one other thing that was also bothering me is about the guns, Remember they reported all day that he used a Sig and a Glock. those are professioanl carry peices. cops guns, they are no particularly accurate, but they are very reliable, and they are lightwieght to save you from a bad back after 20 yrs of carrying. The M4 (or AR-15) shows up later in the day- supposedly in the car- but there's shell casings reported to be in the school? that does not compute.They seem to be saying he took the M4 back to his car after firing it in the school and then went back into the school to kill himself?
it makes more sense that somebody else (with him) killed him and got away. or even that he is a plant. i know - tin foil hat time right? yet people will beg to have their rights stripped from them over this, and that IS motive.
seems to me something friggin else happened friday besides what they are saying now, and today they announced thtat anybody sharing rumors about he case on t he internet would be investigated? hmmm.....
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That does seem weird, aren't rumors what they use when they report and don't know for sure.
That's right that's speculation.
Why are they worried about someone else, if there just rumors,unless there hurting someone?
Sounds like they might be worried about someone inside leaking something, but maybe i am just reading it wrong also, who knows,maybe someone?
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i have to assume that they just don;'t have the timeline right yet, but the rifle shells inside and the rifle in the car is a real problem...
i assumed at the outset that the anti-gun folks want a an "assualt rifle" involved for politcal reasons...
people on TV are always saying how we don't need AK-47's in the peoples hands, what they fail to recognise is that AK-47 can't be owned by indivduals unless they are pre-1986 made and you have a Federal permit for it... yet they lie and claim they are everywhere all the time..
For it to be legal, it must have been made and registered with the BATFE prior to May 1986. These are transferrable NFA Class III guns.
A brand newfactory Colt M16A2 (made before 86) is going to run you about $18,000+ while a used AR-15 conversion will run you about $9,500-$13,000+. this lady did not own a real assault rifle, yet they scream it out loud over and over again...
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Increasingly obese children, pilled up kids, couch potatoes, genetically modified foods, fast food multiple times a week, glorified violence from hollywood, more single parent homes and on and on.
If you are an atheist I would wonder where you get your hope from, who do you turn to for healing, there is a more powerful way to help and serve others than foaming at the mouth for new gun laws." _________________________________________________
I coach kids at different sports, have done so off and on for 40+ years.
I believe all eat fast food that i am around, some are overweight, some are smarter than others, some faster, some slower,lots play video games, all have probably seen violence on tv or videos, hopefully not real violence.
I can go on and on and somehow would describe most generations in the last 60 years, changing a few of the facts.
But all and all the kids would give anyone hope that really listens to them, why do they need to be healed? its the parents that sometimes worry me.
Let them be kids as long as they can, and yes some will get in trouble, hopefully not bad trouble, that is part of growing and learning in many cases.
CashCowMoo you sound like what i try and avoid by working with kids.
Not get old in the mind to soon, kids will help you be younger in the mind if your willing to listen and not dictate to them what we believe.
We can all learn alot from the kids.
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I totally agree, but look at how we have decayed as a society. What we have lowered our standards too in teaching kids. More and more single parent homes with all sorts of issues. Failing public schools...on and on.
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"totally agree, but look at how we have decayed as a society. What we have lowered our standards too in teaching kids. More and more single parent homes with all sorts of issues. Failing public schools...on and on." _________________________________________________
It's a different Era, have we decayed? not sure how and from when, depends on how you would decribe decayed and from when to when.
Things have definately changed, for better in some areas and for the worse in others.
Schooling and schools differ from area to area, overall we have better ways of teaching kids then we use to.
Computors allow easy access for teaching and for other things that are also taught, but not necessarily good from a parents stand point.
Single parent families are not good, but neither is people keeping marriages together that have went bad, either one is hard on the kids and families.
All we can do is try to improve situations whether it be through our representives or at home, any way we can.
There is no easy solution to most things, especially when it comes to dealing with people.
Believe me the sixties had there home problems also, but a lot was kept pretty quiet within the house.
I am still learning of many bad situations my friends had, that were never discussed until there later years, some i knew back then.
Wasn't as rosey as many think, just because families were together.
The thing to all of this when we have events like this, we better watch out what we ask for and think about the long term consequences.
Find a simpler solution that maybe doesn't erode more of our rights, it might not be perfect, but nothing else will be either.
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If any of you And cash this means you to had a kid in that school you would be singing a different song.
The right to bear arms is fine for hunting or self defence. These military weapons have one reason only that is to kill people.
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3No I am saying if you are going to ban something ban assault rifles and larg capcity automatic pistols with over 10 lrounds.
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Sounds fine, but does not stop this type of situation.
Hand gun does the same thing.
Rooms with 20-30 kids- 8-12 years old.
Shooter has a hand gun, disgusting makes me sick.
Just a waste of time to think that banning either is a solution, more protection and screening at the schools, like airports is the best i can think of at this time.
Now we talk more money and are people ready to pay, we would think so, but somehow many think it can only happen somewhere else.
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