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Glass it is not a personal attack it is a simple evaluation of your state of mind.
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Gun Lobbyist: Americans Should Be ‘Prepared’ To Take On Elected Officials With Guns

By Igor Volsky on Dec 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm


While the National Rife Association has remained silent about Friday’s tragic shooting in Newtown, CT, Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, is arguing that Americans should bear arms to protect themselves against an ever-expanding government and elected officials.

Appearing on on MSNBC’s Hardball on Monday, Pratt — who immediately after the massacre accused gun safety advocates of having blood on their hands — claimed that had teachers at Sandy Hook elementary school had firearms, the shooting could have been prevented. He added that all Americans should have guns “in order to control the government”:


CHRIS MATTHEWS (HOST): So you’re like Sharron Angle, out in Nevada, who said we need our Second Amendment rights to control when our politicians get out of hand.

PRATT: That’s our Second Amendment rights, she’s not making that up.

MATTHEWS: So how would you use your Second Amendment rights if you didn’t like the way your congressman or senator is representing you? [...]

PRATT: By being prepared. [...]

MATTHEWS: So Larry, it’s not just the right to use guns to protect your homes, it’s the right to take on your government?

PRATT: The government has been overboard.

Pratt suggested that gun owners should use their weapons when the government steals elections or “after a long trail of abuses.” He also threw his support behind fundamentalist groups Branch Davidian.

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twist it all you want raybond you posted here that YOU would take orders from whoever for wahtever and you call me crazy?

i would say 'simple" is the operative word there. you are missing most of the nuances and ignoring about 5000 years of human history and behaviour...

you can't dsicuss the facts, all you can do is make emotianl pleas that will simply make the whole country more dangerous.

oddly most people seem to realise this. but they "feel" liek they must "do something".

as to the issue of'taking onthegovernmnt" you are in disnyland if you think anything differnt.

theGovernmetn is a large set of people all struggling against each other for power, the Founders designed it that way. If they come out of balance and one "bad" set of people takes over? the People shall be there too. I know all the people think that's unthinkable, but i often wonder what the "normal" Germnas were thinking in 1934 too....


remeber that it was illegal to sell guns to the Americna Indians for a reason... even today they are still treated badly.

the Chinese Government agrees with you by the way, they are calling ofr more gun laws here too...... maybe you'd like to try out their way of govenrmtn over there for a couple years before you actually adopt it here--

crap, Egypt had a peaceful revolution and the guy they elcted turned right around and tried to make himself the new dictator... it's just human nature..the military is still running theplace anyway.

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You are confirmed, at this point I think paraiond is the word for you.

By the way who threaten another civil war and death it was you if you did not get your way.

Nobody has said go door to door and take you guns even though it would be easy to do. I think your bunch would be like a fart in a wind storm.


I can quote you just as many social uoheavals where people had no guns to speak of stole them and won a revolution.

If protection from the government is what you are talking about please don't peotect me I can handle things myself.

All I can say is watch out who you threaten it is not a good thing to do even though it is an inferance I got the message.

You might be better off trying to handle your side at the voting both. The way public opion is swelling against you,you have a fight on your hands.Plus the senators and conggressmen loyal to thre nra are turning to. I shall have a list of them in the near future.

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Well it's pretty damn clear where good ole ray stands now...if we don't follow the orders of his handlers, no matter how blatantly those orders violate the constitution, then he will enforce those orders without question...

Heil Raybond...

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And it is very damn clear where good old buck stands.

The public opnion tide is turning against you and the rest of your cohorts. Its up to you how you want to handle it.

You will most likely have guns but not military ones. And my job was to never enforce law it was totally different and ad to the fact I am retired you won't be seeing me. fighting with you is something I will do at the ballot box.

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Glass your morgan freeman post is wrong he said he never made those statements. Just thought I would bring it to your attention.

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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
Well it's pretty damn clear where good ole ray stands now...if we don't follow the orders of his handlers, no matter how blatantly those orders violate the constitution, then he will enforce those orders without question...

Heil Raybond...

This is what I have been telling the board for a while now! You see what I mean? He doesnt know any better.
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Hey cash if what you talking about is you think there should be no restrictions on assault rifles why don't you go tell the 20 parents of the victims of that type of weapon.


by the way cash how do you stand on this sittuation. You have made a lot post and said nothing.

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Man I watched MSNBC last night just to see them go off about guns. Matthews and Ed schultz were really foaming at the mouth. It doesnt mean they didnt have any possible good points, but I also saw them bending things and speaking about the technical of weapons...they didnt really know about.

Nidal Hassan? Remember the guy...the MAJOR in the Army from Fort Hood? They knew something was wrong with him and he just snapped anyway. Workplace violence remember?

Fast and furious....

Here is my problem. I think there should be something done about background checks (Which is pretty much the standard except certain situations). I dont trust the government to just stick with that and not do something more down the road. A little here, a little there, and before you know it you have softened society to it.

If a gun is semi auto...big deal. So what if it is an Ar-15. Its not an M-4. It doesnt have burst or full auto on it. What are you going to say about the next problem that takes a deeper solution instead of just passing new laws. Its all about new laws to you libs. Mega bills that are thousands of pages long. Filled with surprises and nobody reads them before voting on them. They are told how to vote by their party leader.


Was this kid not a genius? If he didnt have a gun, he would have done something different. Jim Jones Kool aid maybe. He would have accomplished what he wanted. Look how nasty our society is getting. You just love the occupy wall st folks because they come off as the modern day hippy, but these groups collectively have darker and more sinister minds. Not about peace and love anymore. Its "fight back" with the fists in the air. Mob rule.

Its getting uglier by the day and you never know what the tide will bring in. We got some deep problems that most simpletons in this country can not really understand. This nation needs healing on the most local of levels.

Why is it the families of gunshot victims are more special than families of brute force, other weapons, or strangulation? There is an agenda.


I really want to see what gets proposed. I think the laws on the books now make it clear. Murder is illegal. So is going out and hurting someone. Its illegal and it happened. So...make a new law on guns and guess what? People are going to break it and there is nothing you can do about it.

You cant own a gun if you have had domestic violence charges in most states I know. Cant be a felon, certain age limits.


Here is what would make the Democrats happy....new taxes. They loooooove new taxes and to tax guns and ammo more? Oh man that would be one of their golden calves. Of course they would squander the money away and it would never make it to what it was intended for.


Democrats had the government for two years. Congress and the White House, and they couldnt even pass gun control back then. Now, after this event they come out with it.

Lets get the FACTS out there and have a debate about it and see where it goes.

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Chicago, a place where gun laws are strict. Then this happens. What are you going to do if these two kick in your door randomly to rob you?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/authorities-report-2-inmates-escape-from-fe deral-prison-in-downtown-chicago/?test=latestnews


Authorities say 2 inmates escape from federal prison in downtown Chicago

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/authorities-report-2-inmates-escape-from-fe deral-prison-in-downtown-chicago/?test=latestnews#ixzz2FSGpW4eA


Two convicted bank robbers were on the run after using a knotted rope or bed sheets to escape from a federal prison window high above downtown Chicago early Tuesday, a week after one of them made a courtroom vow of retribution.
The escape occurred sometime between 5 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. when the inmates were discovered missing, Chicago Police Sgt. Mark Lazarro said. Hours later, what appeared to be a rope, knotted at six-foot intervals, could be seen dangling from a window of the Metropolitan Correctional Center approximately 20 stories above the ground.
Joseph "Jose" Banks, 37, and Kenneth Conley, 38, had been wearing prison-issue orange jumpsuits, but now might be wearing white t-shirts, gray sweat pants and white gym shoes, Lazarro said.
The FBI said the men were last seen together in the Tinley Park area, about 25 miles southwest of Chicago, and that they should be considered armed and dangerous.
SWAT teams stormed a Tinley Park home early Tuesday afternoon, but the escapees were not there, FBI Special Agent Frank Bochte said. He said there was evidence the two had been there earlier, and authorities were using dogs and helicopters to search various places in the Chicago area where the two had connections.
Banks is described as a black man, 5-feet-8, weighing 160 pounds. Conley is described as white, 6 feet tall, weighing 185 pounds.
The men apparently descended from a thin window barely half a foot wide on the flat south side of the prison into the alley below. The wall faces a parking garage and is above air conditioning or heating units.
Crowds of people gathered outside the building where the ropes still blew in the breeze, shaking their heads in disbelief that someone could have escaped from a lockup in the heart of downtown Chicago, just a block or two from key federal court and office buildings.
The owners of several small shops across the street from the wall said they didn't see any police activity until around 8:30 a.m., when a dozen or more police cars and SWAT teams rushed into the area. Some police officers sprinted for a nearby subway entrance.
"It was clearly already too late. They were long gone," said Randy Cohen, owner of the Royal Jewelry and Loans store 10 or 20 yards from where the inmates scaled down the rope.
Homeland Security and U.S. Marshal's Service agents questioned him later in the morning and asked if security cameras on his building could have captured the escape or the men fleeing, Cohen said. He said he didn't think the cameras would have been pointed in the right direction.
Liquor store owner Baljit Singh has a clear view of the side of the prison where the men escaped. She said there was no indication anything was amiss when she arrived at work at 7 a.m.
The facility, which houses around 700 inmates, is one of the only skyscraper prisons in the world, said Jennifer Lucente of Chicago Architecture Foundation.

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That did not say anything or mean anything.


Very short and easy I think they will bring back the ban on assault rifles. Both sides agreed on it once and it should be easy to a 2nd time.

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When will you be happy ray?

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Ray will be happy when his handlers tell him to be happy...or when his beloved democrats have stripped us of every freedom that we have left...whichever comes first

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Buckstalker who let you out of happy land. You know a place where civilians can play with ba-zooka's fully auto assult rifles my favorite is the french fa-mass what is yours.

oh I am sorry your playing with your flame thrower. And I heard such good news we can now hunt rabbits with a bar.

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again Ray you are ignoring the 2nd amnemdent and preteding they said something they most certaily did not.

the 2nd speak of militias which are private armies. not rabbbit hunting.

you WANT to beleive i'm crazy saying this, you want to belive that the good guys won decades ago and that only honest and caring people run the coutnry- we can all coast into Shangri'La now if we jsut think happy thoughts...... that's crazy ray. real evil is in the world- there's no explaing this, you see me even try to explain it and i know it's futile, but you and others get upset... i am upset too, but i am not letting my judgement get clouded.

The Chinese have teh model for where we'll be if they take our guns, and you cannot say that a gun that LOOKS like a militiary gun but is not, is more dangerous than other guns...

criminals tend to use chep revolvers for crimes, know why? they don't dump shell casing ont eh floor so ou don't have to police your brass to hide... the AR15 is a fine defnsive wepaon.

to be honest? i watched the news as it broke, you and i were posting here remebr? they didn't say anything about the M4 until the end of the day... all day they said it was a glcok and a sig, and those are cops guns cuz they are light. the rifkle was in his car, remebr that? then they said that shells for it were in the school... does tha not make you wonder what's really going on? now they are reportint it was the rifle... that was used to kill the kids, how did it get back in the car then? tellme how, i am interested

there already over 4 million AR15's in circulation.

thre are no real M4's in circuakltion because it is not available to the public


this is why i thnk there is alot of craziness, because people ARE LYING one hell of alot and they don't care about the truth if it gets tehm what they want...

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This is who you do not want having an AR-15 easily available, but ray will say its racist oppression. Ray needs to open his mind in order to fix the real problems. The mentality behind this is a puzzle piece to the bigger problem. Ban the guns so we are a nation disarmed, and apologize for acts of violence by a sample of the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnT2pycsSOk

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quote:
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Buckstalker who let you out of happy land. You know a place where civilians can play with ba-zooka's fully auto assult rifles my favorite is the french fa-mass what is yours.

oh I am sorry your playing with your flame thrower. And I heard such good news we can now hunt rabbits with a bar.

Again ray your ignorance blinds you...the weapon used in this crime was NOT a "military" gun, it was NOT a fully automatic assault rifle, a bazooka , an rpg, or a flame thrower...

It was an AR-15 (and we aren't even sure about that)...it was NOT fully automatic, it does NOT launch grenades and it does NOT shoot fireballs.

The weapons you speak of are almost impossible to get, require mountains of paperwork with the ATF and are EXPENSIVE as hell to own, shoot and maintain...

You have let your emotions take over your brain and we all know that that is just plain FOOLISH...

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Happy land was fantasy and humor. but you would like that stuff. But now that your bunch is through stomping on the 1ST amendment. What you sound like was the folks that wanted automatic weapons. And said it was there right to own them.

But that is not what I am going to say society has a right to protect itself and just because nothing has happened to you and you can't feel the pain does not take away the problem. I know what your arguments are I have herd them all. The fact of life is you are a minority in your beliefe now and things will change. Wherther or not you want them to as to what degree I can't tell you. Assault rifles will have a ban of some sort. You have to start some place. The only advice I have is if you want one get one now so you can be grandfstherd in.

Like the saying goes freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell fire in a crowed theater. The right of bering arms does not give the freedom of buying the tools of mass murder to thoes that want to use it for that reason.

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stop the world , I want to get off

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quote:
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Happy land was fantasy and humor. but you would like that stuff. But now that your bunch is through stomping on the 1ST amendment. What you sound like was the folks that wanted automatic weapons. And said it was there right to own them.

But that is not what I am going to say society has a right to protect itself and just because nothing has happened to you and you can't feel the pain does not take away the problem. I know what your arguments are I have herd them all. The fact of life is you are a minority in your beliefe now and things will change. Wherther or not you want them to as to what degree I can't tell you. Assault rifles will have a ban of some sort. You have to start some place. The only advice I have is if you want one get one now so you can be grandfstherd in.

Like the saying goes freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell fire in a crowed theater. The right of bering arms does not give the freedom of buying the tools of mass murder to thoes that want to use it for that reason.

ray, do you really belive that post? i have seen NO polls showing that majority of US Citizens want more gun bans- in fact, the people are buying them faster now becsuase they are afraid they won't be able to inth efuture...

nobody is stomping on 1st ammendment rights thru this.

"assault weapons" are already heavily regualted, i've told yo this a dozne times. there were no asult rifles involved in this case- AR-15 are not assault rifles, they just look like them...

when you have to change the name of something to get your legislation to be popular, soemthig is wrong with you and the legislation. call it waht it is and suddenly you sound foolish that's why the lies...

the assault weaon bans they passed before were basically geared againt bayonnets and bayonnette lugs.... the ten round magaizine rule is of no consequence, it will only affect people that are involved in serious gunfigths with multipple attackers. it takes 3 seconds to swap clips if you are slow...

i can pulla hundred articles right now with quotes where the anti-gun people are plainly sayuing that they need to pass this legsialtion right now because people will forget. what that really menas is they want to pass the legislation while people are mourning and in pain... and not beign rational.

no-one get safer from any laws i have seen proposed.

lastly it is wrong to insist that i feel no pain over this, and just another emotioanl plea from yo to "do antying" even if it is stupid adn will restrict our rights.

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Of course I believe in what I posted. And I hope you can take the small changes in the law like an adult.

Cheer up you will always have cow pie he will talk you through it.

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quote:
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Of course I believe in what I posted. And I hope you can take the small changes in the law like an adult.

Cheer up you will always have cow pie he will talk you through it.

Just another small change....

Ray you have become a nuscance to freedom. You have served your entire life and this is all you have for our country...turning your back on all that you strived for.

Take the blinders off. You have been brainwashed.

You criticize others more than discuss the facts and deserve to be banned for life.

CCM is so much more of an American patriot than you'll ever come close to being.

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quote:
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Happy land was fantasy and humor. but you would like that stuff. But now that your bunch is through stomping on the 1ST amendment. What you sound like was the folks that wanted automatic weapons. And said it was there right to own them.

But that is not what I am going to say society has a right to protect itself and just because nothing has happened to you and you can't feel the pain does not take away the problem. I know what your arguments are I have herd them all. The fact of life is you are a minority in your beliefe now and things will change. Wherther or not you want them to as to what degree I can't tell you. Assault rifles will have a ban of some sort. You have to start some place. The only advice I have is if you want one get one now so you can be grandfstherd in.

Like the saying goes freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell fire in a crowed theater. The right of bering arms does not give the freedom of buying the tools of mass murder to thoes that want to use it for that reason.

Ray...get this through your thick azz brainwashed skull...

I am NOT in happy land knowing that 20 innocent kids have just been murdered!!!!

To insinuate that I don't feel any pain right now, or that I don't feel any empathy towards the victims or their families is phucking INSANE, and I am NOT going to sit here quietly while you slander me with your emotional drivel...

I have 4 daughters and 3 grandkids so I know very well how I would feel if one of them were murdered. I am deeply saddened that this kind of chit happens...but GUNS AREN'T THE PHUCKING PROBLEM!!!

I DON"T GIVE A RATS AZZ HOW MANY GUN LAWS YOU PASS IT WILL NOT PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN...

Nows it's time for me to execise my rights under the 1st amendment...PHUCK YOU RAY!!!!

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Same to you

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quote:
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Of course I believe in what I posted. And I hope you can take the small changes in the law like an adult.

Cheer up you will always have cow pie he will talk you through it.

LOL... you are the one acting like a child. claiming that if we don;t think like you we have soethign worng with us and such..

you ain't even offering any facts here, i know little old ladies with more guts than you.. lots of 'em.

we will see wha the laws they propose are and then we'll see if they are small or not... but the 2nd says shall not be infringed, and they've been infringing and the gun-owners have already been reasonable...

it's you emotional knee-jerkers that are being unreasonable...
you can't stop suicidal maniacs. no matter how many laws you pass, they'll still find a way

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same to you.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by raybond:
Of course I believe in what I posted. And I hope you can take the small changes in the law like an adult.

Cheer up you will always have cow pie he will talk you through it.

LOL... you are the one acting like a child. claiming that if we don;t think like you we have soethign worng with us and such..

you ain't even offering any facts here, i know little old ladies with more guts than you.. lots of 'em.

we will see wha the laws they propose are and then we'll see if they are small or not... but the 2nd says shall not be infringed, and they've been infringing and the gun-owners have already been reasonable...

it's you emotional knee-jerkers that are being unreasonable...
you can't stop suicidal maniacs. no matter how many laws you pass, they'll still find a way

Didn't you just say recently that those with a weak argument resort to personal attacks? Do you need me to look that up or do you remember that post you made?

So does that mean your argument has no merit, or you were FOS on that previous post? Just curious as to how you can have it both ways. I'm SURE you'll splain it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
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Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by raybond:
Of course I believe in what I posted. And I hope you can take the small changes in the law like an adult.

Cheer up you will always have cow pie he will talk you through it.

LOL... you are the one acting like a child. claiming that if we don;t think like you we have soethign worng with us and such..

you ain't even offering any facts here, i know little old ladies with more guts than you.. lots of 'em.

we will see wha the laws they propose are and then we'll see if they are small or not... but the 2nd says shall not be infringed, and they've been infringing and the gun-owners have already been reasonable...

it's you emotional knee-jerkers that are being unreasonable...
you can't stop suicidal maniacs. no matter how many laws you pass, they'll still find a way

Didn't you just say recently that those with a weak argument resort to personal attacks? Do you need me to look that up or do you remember that post you made?

So does that mean your argument has no merit, or you were FOS on that previous post? Just curious as to how you can have it both ways. I'm SURE you'll splain it.

Pagan...I know that you don't like Glass, but you are seeing something here that doesn't exist...

I'm not seeing any personal attacks in Glassman's post...I see facts

If they were construed to be personal attacks, I'm pretty sure that they would be in response to rayboy personally attacking him, and nothing to do with a weak argument on Glass's end...

The only "weak argument" here is rayboy who has yet to provide any type of argument (other than emotional rhetoric) and refuses to debate with any type of facts

Re-read the thread

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As to this not happening again. I agree with the President nothing we do can promise to a 100% stop but you have to start some where. I will post my proof when the polls come in as of now all the polls the LA times has to show are the ones they took before the newtown school shoot up.
and they show a yes for banning assault rifles by a 10 t0 14 point margin

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The only argument I have thus far I have stated it. Public opinion is on the side of banning assault rifles and large capcity mags. 100% backgrund checks. and the stopping of gun show sales unless there is a background check and a waiting period.

As to what will pass I can't say and thats where I stand,if you don't like it tough I could care less.

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Stat of the Day
62% of Americans Now Support a Ban on Semi-Automatic Assault Rifles and Clips

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Esther Zuckerman Dec 19, 2012


Obama was right. On the same day the president said at a press conference that a "majority of Americans support banning the sale of military-style assault weapons" and "high-capacity ammunition clips" a new CNN/ORC International poll finds just that. Sixty-two percent of the 620 Americans polled between Monday and Tuesday support banning semi-automatic assault guns and high-capacity clips. That said, in an ABC News-Washington Post poll released earlier this week only 52 percent of those surveyed supported a ban on semi-automatic handguns. In the earlier poll, conducted between Friday and Sunday, 59 percent supported banning high-capacity clips, a much closer figure. In 2004, when the last assault-weapons ban ran out, Sen. Dianne Feinstein cited an earlier poll claiming that 77 percent of Americans wanted to renew the ban. Feinstein now says she will propose legislation in January for a ban on assault rifles — a measure "actively" supported by President Obama, the White House says — and on high-capacity clips, which the White House says "is something certainly that he would be interested in looking at."

Though it's hard to interpret how the National Rifle Association feels about Obama's newfound position (though we can guess), the NRA tweeted for the second time since the Newtown shooting Wednesday afternoon about the president's support for banning such weapons:

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Stat of the Day
62% of Americans Now Support a Ban on Semi-Automatic Assault Rifles and Clips

Reuters


Esther Zuckerman Dec 19, 2012


Obama was right. On the same day the president said at a press conference that a "majority of Americans support banning the sale of military-style assault weapons" and "high-capacity ammunition clips" a new CNN/ORC International poll finds just that. Sixty-two percent of the 620 Americans polled between Monday and Tuesday support banning semi-automatic assault guns and high-capacity clips. That said, in an ABC News-Washington Post poll released earlier this week only 52 percent of those surveyed supported a ban on semi-automatic handguns. In the earlier poll, conducted between Friday and Sunday, 59 percent supported banning high-capacity clips, a much closer figure. In 2004, when the last assault-weapons ban ran out, Sen. Dianne Feinstein cited an earlier poll claiming that 77 percent of Americans wanted to renew the ban. Feinstein now says she will propose legislation in January for a ban on assault rifles — a measure "actively" supported by President Obama, the White House says — and on high-capacity clips, which the White House says "is something certainly that he would be interested in looking at."

Though it's hard to interpret how the National Rifle Association feels about Obama's newfound position (though we can guess), the NRA tweeted for the second time since the Newtown shooting Wednesday afternoon about the president's support for banning such weapons:

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Here are some cold hard facts...

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
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Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by raybond:
Of course I believe in what I posted. And I hope you can take the small changes in the law like an adult.

Cheer up you will always have cow pie he will talk you through it.

LOL... you are the one acting like a child. claiming that if we don;t think like you we have soethign worng with us and such..

you ain't even offering any facts here, i know little old ladies with more guts than you.. lots of 'em.

we will see wha the laws they propose are and then we'll see if they are small or not... but the 2nd says shall not be infringed, and they've been infringing and the gun-owners have already been reasonable...

it's you emotional knee-jerkers that are being unreasonable...
you can't stop suicidal maniacs. no matter how many laws you pass, they'll still find a way

Didn't you just say recently that those with a weak argument resort to personal attacks? Do you need me to look that up or do you remember that post you made?

So does that mean your argument has no merit, or you were FOS on that previous post? Just curious as to how you can have it both ways. I'm SURE you'll splain it.

pagan. fact is? the poltical proponents of passing new anti-gun laws plainly state that they have to do something fast while people are still emotionally distraught over htis latest massacre or they'll lose intiative. so accusing him of being emotional and having knee-jerk reaction is not namecalling, it is an obeservation. and as to accusing hiom of acting like achild? he is the one who keeps making things up that are just not facs to support his argumrent, like accusing me and buck of wanting to hunt rabiits with flamethrowers and our "need' for grenades"... that is childlike behavior... and i do know little old ladies with more gut than him... i come form a long line of 'em...

i could cutandpaste ten articls starting with an interview of Rahm Emanuel wahere he specifically said that we a have narrow window of opportunity to get this legislation done before public sentiment becomes less emotianl about it...

try to find something more on point to critisize me for...

do you have any opinion on the subject other than to critize me or is that all you are good for anymore?

banning miltatry -STYLE weapons reall yi sjust fashion statemnt. a semiautomatic weapons have been legal since they were invented. a gun that LOOK like a miltary weapon is just that. agun that LOOKS military. there is huge difffernce between a real assault rifle and a semiautomatic rifle... about 700 rds per minute differnce...

and banning clps size? will not do anything to save anyone.. just another stupid law...

braybond is posting alot of proapgnda... there was a guy who worte papaer whne clinton was in office "proving" that the 2nd was not about prvate gun ownership... hisstuff was even being taught in schools until his work was found to be totally false, he calimed to have used firearms registries from the turn of the century and before (1900) - but when they went to look at his data? it didn't exist, cuz the records had ben lost int eh '09 San Fran Quake... both liberal and Dems are guilty of propagnadising -- i won;t stand for eothjer side doing it..

the 2nd ammend say shall not be infringed, reasonale people have already give up grenades adn flamethrowers and full auot for the most part, but semi-auto rifles should be legal and if they try tak ethem awy? there will be alot pewopl voted out of office.

remeber that DC had a 30 year gun ban overturned by teh SCOTUS a couple years ago--

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Interesting but I have my own opinion from thoes facts.

By the way buck and glass you have yelled and screamed long enough finger pointed ect.ect. But you have failed so to say where you stand. It would be interesting to learn that from you on this issue. You know back ground checks, waiting periods,Gun shows a legal way for felons to purchase fire arms are yo for changing that I am.How do you feel about such things.

So far 62% of americans have shown how they feel.

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