Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board » Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk » all of this talk of socialism (Page 5)

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!   This topic comprises 5 pages: 1  2  3  4  5   
Author Topic: all of this talk of socialism
glassman
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for glassman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Greed and so they have become so. We taught them well in that regards.


you need to study Chinese history.

China doesn't conquer , they ABSORB cultures.

So like I said we need them and they need us.

name me one thing they have that we need?

and don't tell me cheap labor, cuz that's my point, we don't need it.

--------------------
Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.

Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Nope was you. It is only now that you are saying to me you have chinese friends.

find it. it ain't there.
i've spent more than half my life living on or next to University campuses. i couldn't avoid them if i wanted to.

furhtermore? when people (anybody) start trying to convince me or anybody else to do things that they admit are not in my own best interest? i begin to wonder what is wrong with them.

It is there. In our PM's Glass.... but i don't paste PM's... those are private convo's between me and whomever. Just reminding you that you said it.

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
glassman
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for glassman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Pm it back then. cuz i'm sure it's misunderstanding.

--------------------
Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.

Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:


you need to study Chinese history.

China doesn't conquer , they ABSORB cultures.

Actually China has contributed more original culture to societies around the world then they absorb throughout it's history especially in ancient times. It is America who throughout it's history has "borrowed" from other culture and then renamed it "American". Only in the 20th Century and more so in the 21th Century has China absorbed from Western Culture but underlying that absorption is still their own original culture and always will be. Here read up on some of it. Use it as a reference only but at the bottom of the page are more links and your local library will have books on China's contribution to World culture [Big Grin] :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_culture


quote:
name me one thing they have that we need?

and don't tell me cheap labor, cuz that's my point, we don't need it.

We'll with a population of about 1.3 billion in China, I would have to say the #1 reason for us needing them in the foreseeable future is their potentional to buy our goods and services. I know it's been stressed for years since Nixon but you did say name 1 thing and i did. [Big Grin] We just need to change how we do it like you have said all along and I have not denied you are right about that though you seem to think I am saying to the contrary.

Btw here's an article that might interest you. It's dated but I think it is correct about Bush's damage to us and China's rise:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/77071

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Pm it back then. cuz i'm sure it's misunderstanding.

I will see if i can find it later on. Right now me watching Seattle/Dallas game. Besides you never reply to PM's anymore. You probably have a PM of mine or two from months ago. meanie.
[Frown]

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
glassman
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for glassman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
once i t cools off enough here to light off the furnaces? i don't have much free time..


here's the bottom line IMO.

China needs US more than we need them.

a few people in the US make ahelluvalot of money off the exchange rate.

alot of people in China are being "helped" out of poverty by being put to work.

problem is? we are broke, and a large portion of that is because we are losing too many good jobs.

a service economy doesn't last if it has import/export deficits. we do.

China will suffer from US going bust too. but not as much as we will.

that's just the math.

--------------------
Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.

Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
once i t cools off enough here to light off the furnaces? i don't have much free time..


here's the bottom line IMO.

China needs US more than we need them.

a few people in the US make ahelluvalot of money off the exchange rate.

alot of people in China are being "helped" out of poverty by being put to work.

problem is? we are broke, and a large portion of that is because we are losing too many good jobs.

a service economy doesn't last if it has import/export deficits. we do.

China will suffer from US going bust too. but not as much as we will.

that's just the math.

I think China is a little smarter then that and are planning for the worst. They learned financial investing pretty well.

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
buckstalker
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for buckstalker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
I'm with you Glass...if I can buy American...I do

otherwise it's like biting the hand that feeds ya...

people in this country had better wake up real soon and start supporting their own kind, or it WILL come back and bite em in the azz sooner or later...


oh wait, it already has!

When American quality is as good or better then Japanese quality for example.... then I'll buy American... till then I will buy whoever has the better quality... be it American, Japanese, Mars or Venus...

I refuse to buy inferior quality in the name of "supporting my kind"...

Well...that would make you an idiot on 2 counts...

Number 1...American made cars and trucks ARE just as high of quality as japanese made...follow the link below and scroll down about halfway...You will find that Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, and Pontiac are all higher quality vehicles than that Nissan you drive...

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008063

Number 2...by NOT supporting your own kind, you will end up in the same boat as the ones you refused to support...

That is just plain foolish...

--------------------
***********************

It's all in the timing...

Posts: 4303 | From: DSA | Registered: Dec 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
Well...that would make you an idiot on 2 counts...

Number 1...American made cars and trucks ARE just as high of quality as japanese made...follow the link below and scroll down about halfway...You will find that Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, and Pontiac are all higher quality vehicles than that Nissan you drive...

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008063

Number 2...by NOT supporting your own kind, you will end up in the same boat as the ones you refused to support...

That is just plain foolish...

1. ahhh throwing in insults when I didn't even throw one at you. And to think I thought we got passed that and grew up so we can have differences of opinions without the name calling. Always knew you were an azzhole in your old age.

2. I don't care what JD Power or any study says for that matter. I have driven both American cars and Japanese cars since the day I got my license and the Japanese cars are by far more superior. Have not given me any problems or minimal while the american cars I drove always gave me problems.I also get way way way better gas mileage on my Nissan and I am quite happy about that. I drove/owned a Mercury Sable and Chevrolet. I'll stick to my Nissan thank you very much. And btw with the exception of 2 american cars the top 10 of cars with fewer problems consists of all foreign cars. That is 8 out of 10 are foreign and 2 only American. Kind of tells you something don't it?

3. Supporting a sinking ship is like us stock traders saying will go against the trend and go long when the trend clearly says to go short or into cash... in a Bear market. That is foolish and i suspect you have lost alot of $$ in your portfolio or 401K... I'm not in the same boat as the car makers... and i refuse to buy their inferior products (according to Consumer Reports which is more unbiased and neutral then JD Power)though I do support the auto bailout package to save their jobs in that way instead and to get the top executives out of the car companies who caused this disaster in the industry...

Btw didn't you work in the auto industry or at least a union and thats why you are making your idiotic statements? That would make you biased and unobjective.

Though there are some that will say American cars are just as good as Japanese on this board, there are board members that feel the same way as I do as well. If most people here are not for the auto bailout (though I am) why should anyone be buying American cars they feel are not better quality then foreign cars (that includes Japanese, German etc.)? That in itself is a bailout as well and would make a anti-auto bailout person a hyprocrite.

Anyways since you are so for supporting your own kind foolish old man, why don't you start buying up jewelry to support the industry I am in? We have bankruptcies as well as the auto industry, financial industries etc. Whitehall Jewelers is shutting down the end of the year, Friedmans shut down already, Elizabeth Taylors company is no more as well as American jewelry manufacturers etc.. etc.. guess who in the jewelry industry is surviving? Foreign companies with superior products of course.

FYI I will always go by Consumer Reports over an industry study anytime. They are more objective. Here compare:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-10-23-cr-reliability-ranking_N.htm

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Peaser
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for Peaser     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My 98 VW gets 30 mpg. I'll keep that on the road till she croaks in a few hundred thousands more miles. It'll prolly fall apart before the engine dies. The clutch is startin' to slip, so I'll be puttin' a new one in shortly.

It helps off-set the crappy gas mileage I get hauling the boat with the my full-size GMC. I do love GMC trucks.

--------------------
Buy Low. Sell High.

Posts: 10736 | From: The Land Of The Giants | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
jordanreed
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for jordanreed     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My 95 town car gets 29 mpg hiway...13 years later and we still put up with the same mileage? 33 mpg is what they offer now (and thats the high end)and those are half the car of mine.
give me something that gets 45-50 mpg that cost about 15 grand and we can talk about advancement..until that happens , we are nothing more than sheep to the slaughter.

20 yrs ago my honda ran until the springs rusted thru the hood...and that got 32 mpg...38 yrs ago my rambler got 25 mpg and was a breeze to work on and ran til 200K miles. Nothing has changed in all this time except the price relative to income. This really p!sses me off! I dont care who makes what but give me something that I can work with!! and afford...! I know they have that tech.

--------------------
jordan

Posts: 5812 | From: st paul,mn | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
The Bigfoot
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for The Bigfoot     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My feet get great gas mileage. Speed isn't that hot and there is no A/C or heater but I save a lot in parking fees.

--------------------
No longer eligible for government service due to lack of tax issues.

Posts: 5178 | From: Up North | Registered: Dec 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
glassman
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for glassman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I dont care who makes what but give me something that I can work with!! and afford...! I know they have that tech.

JR, you just hit the nail on the head IMO.

US cars went "off-track" when the emissions laws began going into effect.

i felt like they did what they did as punishment.

their fixes were just plain strange. i used to build ford small blocks for dirt track and street, and there was never a better year for American hardware than 1969. I used to hunt hru all the junk yards buying all the "right parts" unitl they finally disappeared entirely

the only differnces between Japanese engineering and US auto engineering were that the Japanese had stricter controls on parts tolerances..

a well-balanced engine/drive train will last more than twice as long. the Japanese balanced thier factory engines much better than the US manuf.

look at the japanese bikes that can turn 18,000 rpms or so i'm told, i have never opened one up like that...

Nissan isn't known for quality, and i have owned a 300ZX and opened it up all the way many times...
but that car had all kinds mechanical issues all the time. i liked working on it. it was better in it's time than comparable American cars, but that is ancient history now.

there is no real difference between US and Japanese car quality anymore

--------------------
Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.

Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
wallymac
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for wallymac     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
there is no real difference between US and Japanese car quality anymore

True. But as long as there is a huge discrepency in resale value there will be a preception that Japanese car are better quality.

Most don't realize that the amount of cars that are sold through corporate Fleet sales to Rental agencies and other large volume buyers like the government are sold at huge discounts and have more effect on resale values than quality.

Volume buyers don't care as much about resale becuase they usually can write off the depreciation of the vehicle on taxes whereas the average consumer cannot. Japanese cars sold fleet do not discount as much as the American Manufactured cars.

Posts: 3255 | From: Los Angeles California | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
there is no real difference between US and Japanese car quality anymore

I don't know Glass... i see a difference and I don't care about price so much... to me there is a big difference in gas mileage... my Nissan has wayyyyy better gas mileage then any American car i have ever owned... and my American cars kept breaking down especially the Mercury Sable i used to own...

So to me there is a difference... without price being a bias to me...

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
glassman
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for glassman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
what year was your sable? and how many other sables broke down alot?

the sable was built off the Ford Taurus which was not a car that broke down alot, and was the number one selling car for quite awhile.


what american car weighs as little a your Nissan?

you have to understand that the weight of the car has more to do with the gas mileage than anyhting else.

suddenly gas mileage is important until people forget again nayway...

--------------------
Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.

Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
buckstalker
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for buckstalker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
GM alone makes 18 different models that get 30+ mpg

--------------------
***********************

It's all in the timing...

Posts: 4303 | From: DSA | Registered: Dec 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
bdgee
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for bdgee     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Gas prices went down for the election, just like 2 and 4 and 6 and 8 years ago. They will be back up.

Letting this politically driven lowering of prices distract us from the need to get away from burning fossil fuels for energy production is foolish and very very dangerous.

We MUSTY stop burning petroleum and coal for energy for a couple of reasons, only one of which is climate. The other major and equally important thing is to preserve fossil fuels in order to have it as the raw material of plastics, insecticides, and fertilizers, without either of which results in a hopeless fall to third world status for the whole world (led by us, probably).


"With food demand forecast to increase by half by 2030, the incentive to use genetic engineering to boost harvests and protect precious crops from insects and other damage has never been greater."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081130/ap_on_sc/food_s_future_gm_crops_3

Posts: 11304 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lockman
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lockman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Good job at making your point...I must say I agree.

We also must have our own way of producing energy for security of our nation.

--------------------
Let's Go METS!!!

Posts: 3317 | From: CT | Registered: Dec 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
bdgee
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for bdgee     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Actually, though it is most often ignored, more petroleum is used in the U.S. to produce insecticides that is used in passenger travel. (A surprising percentage is used to make carpet!)

Also, the amount needed to produce farm chemicals and textiles (not just polyesters and nylons, but wool and cotton, etc.) is projected to more than double in the next decade and a half, far exceeding the amount used now for energy production. (Though some of that might be replaced by using such crops as corn and soybeans for those purposes, we'd still need to fertilize those crops.)

There simply isn't enough to go around and it must be conserved if we expect to even approximate our current standard of living in the future.

Posts: 11304 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
what year was your sable? and how many other sables broke down alot?

the sable was built off the Ford Taurus which was not a car that broke down alot, and was the number one selling car for quite awhile.


what american car weighs as little a your Nissan?

you have to understand that the weight of the car has more to do with the gas mileage than anyhting else.

suddenly gas mileage is important until people forget again nayway...

Sables suck.. dont' get them... if you do so don't say I didn't warn ya...

Anyways as for gas mileage, it's always been important to me not just now...

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Good job at making your point...I must say I agree.

We also must have our own way of producing energy for security of our nation.

Easy, we copy France...

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Dardadog
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Dardadog     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm not happy that the taxpayer dollar is going to be used to bail out the Big Three, but it is something that absolutely has to be done. If Ford/GM/Chrysler should go bankrupt or close their doors the trickle down consequences would be devastating. Many of the companies that produce parts for the Big 3 would also be forced to close their doors. With hundreds of thousands of workers found jobless the entire retail industry would be left reeling from the blow. Tourism dollars would disappear. The cost of all goods and services would skyrocket in an attempt to recoup lost quantity of sales. By the way glass, how's it hangin'? Long time no see.

--------------------
Do Da Due......But Be Damn Quick About It!!!!!

Posts: 1656 | Registered: Sep 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Dardadog
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Dardadog     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
By the way......I think the bailout of the Big 3 will happen and I purchased a butt load of Ford stock last week when it was below $2 a share.

--------------------
Do Da Due......But Be Damn Quick About It!!!!!

Posts: 1656 | Registered: Sep 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
buckstalker
Member


Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for buckstalker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dog??? Where the he!! have you been man?

You prolly don't recognize the new handle...I used to be known as buck s t a l k e r...

--------------------
***********************

It's all in the timing...

Posts: 4303 | From: DSA | Registered: Dec 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ruff!

Happy Holidays, dawg...

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
  This topic comprises 5 pages: 1  2  3  4  5   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Allstocks.com Message Board Home

© 1997 - 2019 Allstocks.com. All rights reserved.

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2

Share