I think that I have a very good idea what giving means. Giving one tenth of one percent is giving VERY LITTLE, in fact ALMOST NOTHING!
quote:"A spokesman for Biden, David Wade, tells York that says "the figures on Biden’s tax return do not reflect the true extent of his giving."
Wade: “The charitable contributions claimed by the Bidens on their tax returns are not the sum of their annual contributions to charity,” Wade said in a statement to NRO. “Like most regular churchgoers, they contribute to their church, and they also contribute to their favorite causes with their time as well as their checkbooks...”
Here's a newsflash. Serious Christians give their tithe AND contribute their time!!! Let's face it, Biden's a cheapskate!
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quote:comparing people's giving on tax returns is kindof wierd...
you can't take a deduction for making sandwiches at the soup kitchen can you?
tax breaks are not really giving either, (and no i'm not knocking it)
So, let me see if I get this straight. You are against actually giving money, because it's deductable? That explains it. That must be why Biden is such a cheapskate, because giving money isn't really giving! LOL!!!
Furthermore, do you really believe that Biden spends a lot of time at the soup kitchen? Give me a break!!!
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It has always bothered me that Andrew Carnegie is remembered as a philanthropist, when the reason he had so much money to dole out was that he so eagerly underpaid his workers who had to work in horribly dangerous and unhealthy conditions he was too cheap to correct. How is it his right to determine to whom wealth generated by the workers of the Nation should be given? Why did he have so much more right to freedom of speech than those who were ultimately responsible for that wealth?
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quote:How is it his right to determine to whom wealth generated by the workers of the Nation should be given? Why did he have so much more right to freedom of speech than those who were ultimately responsible for that wealth?
He had the right to determine where his money would go, BECAUSE IT WAS HIS MONEY! He had no more right to freedom of speech than any worker, although people were probably more interested in listening to him that the average worker.
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One good way to stop sending jobs out of the country would be to stop the facade of employers paying for the health insurance the workers need. Then the the actual cost of employing those workers wouldn't have to include what most other Nations cover with some variety of national medical program, that is far far more economically bearable for the Nation.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: One good way to stop sending jobs out of the country would be to stop the facade of employers paying for the health insurance the workers need. Then the the actual cost of employing those workers wouldn't have to include what most other Nations cover with some variety of national medical program, that is far far more economically bearable for the Nation.
And the Unions are going to go for national healthcare? I think not.
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"And the Unions are going to go for national healthcare? I think not."
Must be some very different unions in your bailiwick. Why would a union object to a way to pay for its member's daughter's treatment for a broken leg or pneumonia?
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Here's another newsflash! The country is BROKE! We've given everything to everyone for far too long. It's gotten so ridiculous that no-one can fail in this country. This game is OVER! The government (taxpayers) can't pay for the entitlements we've already promised and certainly can't afford new ones. The fact is that the total compensation (pay + benefits) for the Big 3 is about double that of the foreign automakers right here in the US! That has nothing to do with socialized medicine. The Big 3 is overpaying the workers!!! It's as simple as that!
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "And the Unions are going to go for national healthcare? I think not."
Must be some very different unions in your bailiwick. Why would a union object to a way to pay for its member's daughter's treatment for a broken leg or pneumonia?
CONTROL! If the union can't keep control of members benefit's who needs them.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Here's another newsflash! The country is BROKE! We've given everything to everyone for far too long. It's gotten so ridiculous that no-one can fail in this country. This game is OVER! The government (taxpayers) can't pay for the entitlements we've already promised and certainly can't afford new ones. The fact is that the total compensation (pay + benefits) for the Big 3 is about double that of the foreign automakers right here in the US! That has nothing to do with socialized medicine. The Big 3 is overpaying the workers!!! It's as simple as that!
The country is BROKE? duh...
i've been posting htis here for years and the fools YOU voted for are the ones that finally broke US.
the big 3 are not overpaid. whatever happened to your freemarket ideals? they negotiated the pay in a free market environment.
you have no idea what you are even for.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Here's another newsflash! The country is BROKE! We've given everything to everyone for far too long. It's gotten so ridiculous that no-one can fail in this country. This game is OVER! The government (taxpayers) can't pay for the entitlements we've already promised and certainly can't afford new ones. The fact is that the total compensation (pay + benefits) for the Big 3 is about double that of the foreign automakers right here in the US! That has nothing to do with socialized medicine. The Big 3 is overpaying the workers!!! It's as simple as that!
Like I said, you are leaned way over to the ignorant side as well as the backward side.
More than just a teensy bit of that per hour expense for American Auto workers is the necessary health insurance package. (True, I have no doubt that along with not allowing them their Constitutional right to free speech by making union membership illegal, you would also deny those workers and their families health insurance, then, fire them immediately, with no hearing, if they had to take off to get little Johnny to the emergency room.)
There is much to say for conservatism, but what you want is not conservative, it is simply 18th century crap and 100% backward, at best.
If the government refuses to bail out the banks or to find a way to save the auto industry, then it gets to spend even more money via FDIC and unemployment claims, neither of which offers even a glance at any future return on investment.
The Government MUST act and part of that action will have to be to curtail the excesses brought on by the religion, Freemarketism.
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quote:the big 3 are not overpaid. whatever happened to your freemarket ideals? they negotiated the pay in a free market environment.
you have no idea what you are even for.
I agree that the wages and benefits were set by the free market. However, that does not mean that the wages and prices are not too high. The company and the union traded short term peace and gain for the long term health of the auto companies. They are now broke and should be allowed to fail. The companies should go out of business. The workers should be fired. The pension plans should be declared insolvent. That is the way that the free market deals with such incompetence.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "And the Unions are going to go for national healthcare? I think not."
Must be some very different unions in your bailiwick. Why would a union object to a way to pay for its member's daughter's treatment for a broken leg or pneumonia?
CONTROL! If the union can't keep control of members benefit's who needs them.
You keep displaying your ignorance. Unions are democratic. You can only be a union leader if you got elected and holding such a position does not include any power of control, just the chance to get unelected at any moment.
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I agree that the wages and benefits were set by the free market. However, that does not mean that the wages and prices are not too high. The company and the union traded short term peace and gain for the long term health of the auto companies. They are now broke and should be allowed to fail. The companies should go out of business. The workers should be fired. The pension plans should be declared insolvent. That is the way that the free market deals with such incompetence.
now you are saying that YOUR word is worthless. since you don't think OTHER people should live up to their word.
enter a contract? fulfill your obligation.
the auto co's are asking for a LOAN from the govt since nobody else is loaning.
they CAN"T loan money they don't have. they don't have it cuz they got caught LYING, big time.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Why is your brother living in poverty? Couldn't you help him or are you one of those selfish americans you refur to?
Seriously, don't be like PMS and talk out of your azz or be an azz. I do send him money and I'm going down there to take him to a hospital or doctor to get him diagnosed to see if he has prostate cancer. I'm paying the medical bills. What i can afford.
My brother has always been poor. First in Costa Rica and now in Nicaragua. 2/3's of Nicaragua live in poverty and extreme poverty. He's one of them. Alot of my family is poor in fact. But anyways me and mother do help my brother when we can. And when we heard he got sick recently and maybe something for the worst and can't afford to go to a doctor and such. We bought plane tickets and are on our way to help him. We are not selfish and self centered like you, PMS and most of the right wing.
Btw, thank you for your sympathies. Americans are so compassionate.
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quote:Why is your brother living in poverty? Couldn't you help him or are you one of those selfish americans you refur to?
Because he wants YOU to help him. It takes a village to help a brother. SHARE THE WEALTH! It's patriotic to pay more taxes Lockman!
STFU... azzhole.. hope u get cancer and suffer like my brother is without a doctor... perhaps only then you will be human and see the suffering around the world... and what is like not having your Gov't help you...
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It works both ways.
It has always bothered me that Andrew Carnegie is remembered as a philanthropist, when the reason he had so much money to dole out was that he so eagerly underpaid his workers who had to work in horribly dangerous and unhealthy conditions he was too cheap to correct. How is it his right to determine to whom wealth generated by the workers of the Nation should be given? Why did he have so much more right to freedom of speech than those who were ultimately responsible for that wealth?
I think he became a philanthropist out of guilt... and for public relations purposes... to better his tarnished image in his last years... plus putting his name on everything he donated to create like libraries, carnegie hall etc... if he really cared about such causes then he should of insisted in not having his name put on such things and give a message that it's about the people in general and not himself...
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Mach, you aren't obligated to have to correct that jerk. We know he's a self centered prick and we knew he was out of line.
Hope for the best, Mach. They (a series of 5 physicians) told me I had cancer, even scheduled the operating room to take out my right lung four days later. I didn't show up and went for a second opinion. It wasn't cancer. I wish similar findings for your brother.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "And the Unions are going to go for national healthcare? I think not."
Must be some very different unions in your bailiwick. Why would a union object to a way to pay for its member's daughter's treatment for a broken leg or pneumonia?
CONTROL! If the union can't keep control of members benefit's who needs them.
You keep displaying your ignorance. Unions are democratic. You can only be a union leader if you got elected and holding such a position does not include any power of control, just the chance to get unelected at any moment.
It will be very intersting to see if the unions step up to the plate in Detroit. Unions ususally tell their members to stand strong as the plant they work at closes and moves to a state where unions aren't required.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Why is your brother living in poverty? Couldn't you help him or are you one of those selfish americans you refur to?
Seriously, don't be like PMS and talk out of your azz or be an azz. I do send him money and I'm going down there to take him to a hospital or doctor to get him diagnosed to see if he has prostate cancer. I'm paying the medical bills. What i can afford.
My brother has always been poor. First in Costa Rica and now in Nicaragua. 2/3's of Nicaragua live in poverty and extreme poverty. He's one of them. Alot of my family is poor in fact. But anyways me and mother do help my brother when we can. And when we heard he got sick recently and maybe something for the worst and can't afford to go to a doctor and such. We bought plane tickets and are on our way to help him. We are not selfish and self centered like you, PMS and most of the right wing.
Btw, thank you for your sympathies. Americans are so compassionate.
Oh now I'm selfish? You don't know me or have any idea of what I do or don't do as far as charity and community service is concerned.
Your brother has drawn a tough card and I'll pray for him and your family.
Your the one who has made disparaging remarks about United States citizens when you clearly don't have a clue what your talking about.
Stuff your oh Americans don't due enough for the rest of the world. We do more than any other country on EARTH.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Mach, you aren't obligated to have to correct that jerk. We know he's a self centered prick and we knew he was out of line.
Hope for the best, Mach. They (a series of 5 physicians) told me I had cancer, even scheduled the operating room to take out my right lung four days later. I didn't show up and went for a second opinion. It wasn't cancer. I wish similar findings for your brother.
Thank you Bdgee... some people are not humans... they may be in a human body but they have no soul and not human or compassionate inside...
As for my brother, I can only hope it is only BPH of the prostate and nothing else... but do not know because he has been vomiting and losing weight though he seems to be doing better lately... but it's on and off... will see when i get there...
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "And the Unions are going to go for national healthcare? I think not."
Must be some very different unions in your bailiwick. Why would a union object to a way to pay for its member's daughter's treatment for a broken leg or pneumonia?
CONTROL! If the union can't keep control of members benefit's who needs them.
You keep displaying your ignorance. Unions are democratic. You can only be a union leader if you got elected and holding such a position does not include any power of control, just the chance to get unelected at any moment.
It will be very intersting to see if the unions step up to the plate in Detroit. Unions ususally tell their members to stand strong as the plant they work at closes and moves to a state where unions aren't required.
Give me a couple of actual cases, with proof, instead of constantly spouting from your bigoted ignorance.
Also, since when does a union have the authority to tell its members what to do or think?
You are nothing but a bunch of biased hot air without any facts. To provide you with one, a union has every right to say whatever its membership wishes it to (assuming it meets normal restrictions of truth, lack of danger. etc.). It is a Constitutionally protected right.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Oh now I'm selfish? You don't know me or have any idea of what I do or don't do as far as charity and community service is concerned.
Enlighten us. But to tell you the truth poverty here is nothing compared to poverty in 3rd world countries. Most Americans do "charity or community" work as a way to feel better about themselves that they "did something". Charity/community work should be a constant and not a once a year or similar thing.
quote:Your brother has drawn a tough card and I'll pray for him and your family.
TY for your prayer but forgive me if I don't take it serious right now after your first remark.
quote:Your the one who has made disparaging remarks about United States citizens when you clearly don't have a clue what your talking about.
Considering I am Latin-American and have seen conditions here and in Latin America (and not just on TV or read about it like most of Americans do)first hand among the poor, I would say I know what I am talking about more so then you or others. The only other person on this board who remotely has that experience I would say is Glass.
quote:Stuff your oh Americans don't due enough for the rest of the world. We do more than any other country on EARTH.
America the Gov't does and not with the approval of Americans themselves. Individual Americans do sh*t in other countries. Also America the country/Gov't does do such things around the world but with strings attached and for it's own agenda that eventually creeps out.
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Americans are a selfish people in general I have seen other parts of the world and people share more and help more when they can.
Even our unions are prime examples of that instead of organizing new members they sat back and isolated themselves with an I got mine you can go get yours attitude now they won't have theres to much longer.
As far as health care if we had a single payer health care system like most of the people in the in the first world do, we would compete much better with outside industry and retain more of our domestic industry instead of it going abroad.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Most union members follow union leaders like sheep to the slaughter.
That is a really a dumb stupid ignorant and inappropriate claim.
You can't offer proof to substantiate that asinine vulgarity, so why do you fart it out?
It is one thing to offer an opinion, but you are simply posting a lie that isn't a fact. It comes from the sh-t that packs your head.
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"As far as health care if we had a single payer health care system like most of the people in the in the first world do, we would compete much better with outside industry and retain more of our domestic industry instead of it going abroad."
Yes, but it is only part of the problem.
Next step, cheap, safe, reliable public transportation, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Child care, so workers can work.
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Originally posted by Lockman: Most union members follow union leaders like sheep to the slaughter.
--------------------------------------------------That is just not true I have found that unions are very democratic and patriotic. Full of free thinkes that know who is looking out for there best intrest and it is not management that is doing that.
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quote:STFU... azzhole.. hope u get cancer and suffer like my brother is without a doctor
...and there we have the hatred by the socialists. They talk about tolerance, but hate everyone that doesn't parrot their socialist ideas.
quote:Also, since when does a union have the authority to tell its members what to do or think?
Now you're not even being honest. Of course the unions tell their members what they want them to do and they punish anyone that doesn't get in line.
quote:As far as health care if we had a single payer health care system like most of the people in the in the first world do, we would compete much better with outside industry and retain more of our domestic industry instead of it going abroad.
The country is already broke, thanks to all the socialistic entitlements we currently have. Where are we going to get more money for more entitlements?
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quote:STFU... azzhole.. hope u get cancer and suffer like my brother is without a doctor
...and there we have the hatred by the socialists. They talk about tolerance, but hate everyone that doesn't parrot their socialist ideas.
quote:Also, since when does a union have the authority to tell its members what to do or think?
Now you're not even being honest. Of course the unions tell their members what they want them to do and they punish anyone that doesn't get in line.
quote:As far as health care if we had a single payer health care system like most of the people in the in the first world do, we would compete much better with outside industry and retain more of our domestic industry instead of it going abroad.
The country is already broke, thanks to all the socialistic entitlements we currently have. Where are we going to get more money for more entitlements?
Exactly how does not accepting your crude vulgarities of thought amount to Mach being a socialist. That's stupid. You need to spend some time studying what socialism is and learn that it isn't refusing to kowtow to your bigotry.
Instead of answering the question I asked, you choose to repeat the ignorant lie that brought it to fore, as if lying louder and repeatedly while ignoring the facts makes the facts false.
So, I ask again, "since when does a union have the authority to tell its members what to do or think?"
If you are unable or unwilling to address the issue, be smart enough to just be quiet. As it is said, why prove you are a fool by opening your mouth?
If we don't invest the money to correct the mess we have generated by worship of Freemarketism, this Nation is dead, all of it, the good with the bad. Then we needn't worry about the debt, because there won't be a U.S. from which to collect that debt. (Oh, and that means you and yours that led us into this hole, too.) A national health plan would remove health care from being the single largest portion of our national expenses. That expense is the biggest item preventing us from competing in the world market on anything like a level playing field.
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