quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "but you have to think that everyone writing the constitution was of the majority christian were they not?"
No you don't. And if you would bother to read what those extremely well educated men thought themselves about what was and was not a god, you would cure yourself of that nonsense all together.
You probably, like so many that want to justify overstepping the Constitutional limits on religion, like to quote Eienstein's statement that "God doesn't play dice with the universe" as a claim that he was religious. He was not in any way you call religion. Consider his statement that he didn't believe in a "personal" god and remember his natural language was German. What he meant was that his belief did not accept any god that made personal choices or has wishes and makes judgements (good or bad ones...or consideration of such qualities)........that included the Christian and Jewish gods that "want" and demand adoration.
The rest of your last post is just drivel and chatter from the radical right wing extreme.
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Juice or anybody- "in 1782 congress passed the following resolution: "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
Any idea how many of the framers of the constitution where in congress in 1782? Would be interesting to see how they voted.
Can anybody look that up?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: juice, you just pulled that list right off the right Reverand Falwells desk.....
lol im not a big fan of the reverand!! i was just backin up our history:)
belief is selfless humble, no need for all that cash and authority. true christianity is really concerned only with the "souls" of others and showing humility and love. no lining pockets, when your in it for selfish ambition it aint cool. im not saying that thats what hes in it for, i actually don't even know much about him or his friends. theres too many peter pop-offs out there to keep track of! anyone ever here of that guy?? mr. peter pop-off? man, talk about bad news. ugly
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Such a resolution is not a law, does not reach the status of a "Bill", and is not a statement that Congress approved of establishing (or even recognizing) Christianity as an acceptable religion, which I'm certain even Congress realized was contrary to the Constitution, even back then.
Congres often has passed bills, not just resolutions, that had to be stricken as unconstitutional. It happend in 1782 and does today.
And for what did Congress in 1782 recommend and approve the Holy Bible for use in what school and for what purpose? Perhaps it was as a reader or comparitive religion study (availability of any book was limited to the schools then and, often, any available book was put to use).
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "but you have to think that everyone writing the constitution was of the majority christian were they not?"
No you don't. And if you would bother to read what those extremely well educated men thought themselves about what was and was not a god, you would cure yourself of that nonsense all together.
You probably, like so many that want to justify overstepping the Constitutional limits on religion, like to quote Eienstein's statement that "God doesn't play dice with the universe" as a claim that he was religious. He was not in any way you call religion. Consider his statement that he didn't believe in a "personal" god and remember his natural language was German. What he meant was that his belief did not accept any god that made personal choices or has wishes and makes judgements (good or bad ones...or consideration of such qualities)........that included the Christian and Jewish gods that "want" and demand adoration.
The rest of your last post is just drivel and chatter from the radical right wing extreme.
interesting, good stuff:) i just believe there is more evidence to support these dudes were actually christians, but i get what your saying with einstein and all that makes sense great point, cool man thanks:) im also not extreme im just bored at the moment.
great discussions this is much more fun then listening to people bicker about stocks and yelling at each other...
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: And for what did Congress in 1782 recommend and approve the Holy Bible for use in what school and for what purpose? Perhaps it was as a reader or comparitive religion study (availability of any book was limited to the schools then and, often, any available book was put to use).
maybe they believed it. after all it has the most support by being the most documented source of information in history, naming persons places things and actually events that did exist. so i would say they would be really smart to include it. last i heard the new testament alone has about 25,000 ancient manuscripts discovered and archived so far. 2nd to that is Homers iliad, with 643 copies of manuscript support discovered to date. no brainer
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you have to acknowledge thatmost organised education, until recently, was SUPPLIED by religious groups...
that IMO is not a justification for saying it should be in the public school system...
the Bible was (and may still be) the most printed book ever.... it's been available to teach children to read when nothing was....
Yes, I have so considered the bible. Perhaps I faild in my attempt, but that was supposed to be the drift of my post that begins with "Such a resolution is not a law...."
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Discussion of religion (or politics or whatever) here can be an enjoyable and rewarding academic exercise, but there are those who can not or will not consider the logical consequences of their beliefs and have been known (apparantly via compute hacking)to launch viscious personal attacks on other posters away from here.
woah thats messed up im ready i could use a good hack. once i crashed google for 40 minutes only using a mouse with no keyboard on a pentium 1 processor and only 128 mb of ram and 2ghz of power hhaha beat that
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Intending to speak of the bible, you say, ".... being the most documented source of information in history....". I understand what you are intending to say, but.....
I think that is one of those misconceptions that lives the same sort of life as does an "urban legand". Quite careful research places the geometic studies of the ancient Babolonians, Greeks, and Egyptians, who recieve reference in almost every language, everywhere, throughout written history, (absent the written efforts of New World pre-Columbian cultures) in the position of being the most referenced, I believe. Almost no people on Earth fail to include, in their common everyday vocabulary, reference to the geometric objects creted and results by those studies, even if the speakers have no notion where they come from.
But I accept your statement so long as it relates to modern popular culture.
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Somebody somewhere show me some factual, tangible, real evidence of God. Without using any emotion, any blind faith, or any metaphores. And for that matter anything that isn't explained by science. Maybe the bible has a lot of factual dates and places but so does a history book ,where is the petrified feathers of an angel? God and religion are personal beleifs and faith. What God means to you isn't necessarily what it means to me, so how can it possibly be taught in school without a very real bias? If you want to teach morales then champion bringing back good civics courses in schools but leave God where it should be. In the home and the heart.
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We have science and humanity well but only a glimpse into reality of life.
proof = science and mathematics...bnoth valuable but not life. life is more than science or thinking..
life is in the spiritual realm..we live in the physcical and all disciplines are only a part of existence.
show me proof? some beleive in god..others know in heart...others deny. truth is in the heart..
we are co-creators so all we think is our creatio nand our reality. change our perception and we change reality. so what we beleive is what is color blineded reality.
show me evidence...I have on evidence nor do i have peoof but i rather die on error of believing then err on not believing.
For me ..i do not beleive ..I know god exists.. I see god in all...in my children..in all the love there is in this existential [plane..on nature..in yopur kind words..god is all and all of life and beyond life.
I may not know truth to why but iKnow truth there is. I exist .. I am and I breath and I gave life...I made a healthy womb for my children but i have not the power to bring forht life. It is thru god life is brought into this world..
Evidence? Prooof? That is scientificand a partial vey minute part of life explanation. go beyond the head and into your heart...
Truth lies in the heart..if you search for the truth..I say without doubt you will find it.
God is all around in the physical..in nature and in all goodness of life..but if you open ayour heart and go beyond the physical then yo can know god.
show me prooof god dont exist..
Bit, honestly i am beyond that. I need no proof..I have al ltruth in my heart as does anyone.
It is interesting to know lkife is as you think and create. In the end...what really matters in life>? in this physical plane? Is it your fortune or your fame or your corvette or you bein right? For me it is only LOVE that matters. God is love... If you have ever loved anyone then you have come close to the god feeling. Love is all good..
Those that say theylove and are hateful then that is not love. Love does not judge and love conquers any emotion. Love is all powerful and can win in any situation.
Give me proof of god...yOur heart is your proof... But your heat is the closest anyone can know god for you are the essence of god.
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The other night I was watching one of my favorite movie classics on television.
Dracula.
As many times that I have seen this movie before, I always come away with a new insight or revelation I did not have before.
This time was no different.
When I saw Count Dracula cringe and back away from the crucifix, I was struck with a modern day parallel of today.
It is a parallel that can be made from virtually any other vampire story. Upon the very sight of a crucifix, the vampire cringes and recoils.
Why is this? There is only one metaphorical interpretation.
The crucifix is a symbol of righteousness. A righteousness which originates not from man, nor from the secular humanism it has wrought.
It is a holy righteousness. A righteousness that manifests from God.
The vampire, being infested and driven by the forces of darkness, cannot withstand the divine purity which emanates from a symbol of holiness.
When the forces of darkness are confronted with the forces of good, the forces of darkness recoil and are ultimately defeated.
This is a spiritual law. One which shall ultimately be consummated.
Today, our socio-political landscape is a vast battlefield where we are witnessing a great war between two ideological camps.
The liberals and the conservatives.
It is a war which is intertwined with the spiritual warfare which will be ultimately decided in our favor.
On the political front, this war is being led by the moral and spiritual leadership of our very courageous President and Commander-In-Chief, George W. Bush.
Many persons of a liberal persuasion are literally possessed with an intense and irrational hatred of President Bush. It is a possession of near demonic proportions.
To them, President Bush can do no right. They constantly impugn his motives with our war against terrorism and Iraq, falsely accusing him of plundering for oil and being driven by his father's approval.
And now, in spite of their lack of proof, they are accusing him of lying to the American people in regard to our good and noble motives for invading Iraq.
President Bush is a man of God. The righteousness that drives this man is a Godly righteousness.
For the liberals, however, it is a righteousness which they reject. As a result, they are blinded from receiving the spiritual enlightenment they so desperately need and prevented from receiving the blessings they provide.
The liberals believe it is they who are enamored with righteousness. However, it is only their self made righteousness. The righteousness of fools.
Many liberals also boast of their intellect. But it is the intellect of imbeciles.
The liberals of today are our modern day vampires in our flesh. Their very existence is driven by their need to suck the blood from the arteries of truth and corrupt the righteousness which flows therein.
As the vampire recoils from the sight of a crucifix, the liberal recoils from righteousness. They cringe from the wisdom of the conservative truths which can bring them deliverance from their delusions.
There is another parallel. Vampires are unable to see their reflections in a mirror. Accordingly, the liberals are unable to see themselves for who they truly are.
Reflection requires light. The liberals shun the light. Therefore, the liberals are denied from the very self revelations their reflections could bring.
Many liberals sound like wolves howling at the moon when ranting about the sacred value of the freedom of expression they seem to believe is the precious birthright of all mankind.
Yet, their howlings become even louder when they hear the expression of ideas they find intolerable. So much so that I am also reminded of some of the werewolf movies I have seen.
Bearing their fangs, their intolerance can become so intense that they even threaten censorship and legal action against the very expression of these ideas.
Take a look at how so many liberals are trying to make "hate speech" a crime. If such speech truly exists, then we already have enough laws on the books to handle any actual crimes which may emerge thereof.
As a Sunday School teacher, I often sum up my lessons in two words.
God Wins.
And so, it shall come to pass, the righteousness of God will also prevail.
Our glorious and victorious military campaign in Iraq is a sign of things to come.
In the meantime, let us continue to do our part. For we are all soldiers. Spiritual soldiers engaged in a spiritual war.
As conservatives, the values and beliefs we hold dear shall prevail. Go forth and carry them as your shields. For they are like armor. An armor from God.
Carry them also as your crucifixes. If your faith is pure, the liberal vampires who cross your paths will cringe and recoil.
Keep your faith. For the forces of evil and liberalism shall ultimately be defeated.
God Bless President Bush.
God Bless America.
Amen.
Arthur Claude Munyan, Sr.
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So...I've iggy'd this poor excuse for a persona. Does that mean I don't have to suffer his posts or does it mean he can't PM me? Never been clear on that and until now didn't care one way or the other.
Sas
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Pity. Oh well. I'll just practice selective reading.
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