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Bush first annoyed me with his plans to make tax dollars available to faith based organizations...
i really thought he was just buying votes from Falwell and Roberts...
that was the first thing he said that made me question his faithfulness to the constitution...
he has since shown himself to be no respecter of the constitution... and quite disingenuous when he discusses his attitude about how to "interpret" the constitution...
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providing public education is required by law right?
you can't require anybody to go to religious class...
if someone chooses to go to another school? they can teach religion there...
but? it is required by law that children go to school...
if you use tax dollars to provide religious education you have written the laws that collect and distribute those taxes... that is also where Bush's faith based funding initiatives will eventually be struck down as unconstitutional...
wait till somebody sues because one Church group gets more money than some other...
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quote:Originally posted by Johnwayne: Where does it say government cannot teach religion? All forms of religion without showing preference to one in particular?
Real understanding of religion will solve every conceivable problem.
Sounds accurate....Democrats are so militant these days....I LOVE IT.
As for me, im swinging over to the middle even if IT IS a waste of time
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quote:Originally posted by Sasquatch: Ah...so it's not your kids John that you want to take to church. It is everyone else's? Don't cha think they should have a choice too bud?
I've been to christian "world religion" classes. Sounds very inclusive until you get there and they start pointing out all the foibles of the other religions consistantly. Which any christian will do as they come from a bias standpoint.
That's too bad about the marriage not lasting...sounds like her parents hung on real tight even after she left their nest.
And T-money...if you are that concerned you would home school like so many others for whatever your reason. That ought to work out great.
My brother married a home schooler who's parents had been worried about the public school system.
Marriage didn't last two years.
They were getting along great until her parents decdied he wasn't as conservative as they thought he was when the two were dating. Used their authoritative teacher role to convince her that he was the devil. Given the amount of religious "indoctrination" authority they had over her it only took a few months.
My brother...the devil. My brother the church music director....the devil.
You can begin to see "part" of the reason why I don't have a lot of respect for the conservative movement.
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Dems should take a good look at the foundation of this country and quit skewing the constitution to their advantage. For the foundation will be all thats left when there done with their "evolving ideals"
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Looks to me like you cut too many English classes in Jr high and can't comprehend the language too pretty good, boy.
The Constitution has stood well on its language for a long time, in spite of those misreadings and misquotes you foster. When it says "no" that is what it means, not some wishy-washy interpretation that allows religion to be forced on the people by the Government because of some self centered self important evangelical group that won't bother to learn to read.
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LoL as a matter of fact i did cut alot of classes in jr high and i barley graduated H.S. because of that as well. Good thing my net worth forced me into early retirement at 30yrs old. Leaves me all the time in the world to chat with DOUCHE-BAGS on message boards!
I shoulda went to college instead of trading....I coulda became a cop with all those creditsssssss!
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quote:Originally posted by Johnwayne: BDGEE- How do you feel about some trying to ban guns?
You are again on the verge of making assumptions and pronouncements that are unwarranted.
I believe it is you that is making the assumption of him making assumptions. He asked a simple question. Stop gettin all Dennis Miller on him and answer it!
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Thanks Rim- Couldn't figure out how a question get's turned into an assumption on my part. If I assume something I don't need to ask a question about it.
quote:Originally posted by Johnwayne: BDGEE- How do you feel about some trying to ban guns?
You are again on the verge of making assumptions and pronouncements that are unwarranted.
I believe it is you that is making the assumption of him making assumptions. He asked a simple question. Stop gettin all Dennis Miller on him and answer it!
No one needs you butting in with what you think is witicism, particulrly when you are confused about what is going on.
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quote:Originally posted by Johnwayne: Thanks Rim- Couldn't figure out how a question get's turned into an assumption on my part. If I assume something I don't need to ask a question about it.
You may be beginning to understand after all.
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yes..i can choos home school or private..Howver that is not the point.
As an american I pay tax dollars and should educate my kids how I want vs the liberal state sponsered. Whether you call it religion or another way,,liberalism..both are belief systmes and one shoud not supersede another. currently, we let liberalism in our schools.. the mionority way and i say enuff. Wh yshould I have a double burden..We all pay taxes so I feel we all have a right to chhose how we educate our children. Right now the public schools indocrinate our kids to a secular society whereas society is 90+ believes in God.
How did we let that happen??
I also am researching a topic which really is disturbing...
The constitution may say seperation of religion and state ..not gpd and state.
But even more disturbing...the constitution was written in 1787????Back then education wasmajority home schools...the state did not have ownership " to education.. the constitution was written before ownership of state sponsered education...
Seoeration of state and religion no way in original docmument menat education of young....
Back then education was not state owned so education was private. When the state took "ownership" of education for benefit of society ....later liberal defined it seperatio nof state and religion.,
Biggest falacy in history..
I am writing news media to this...
I say vouchers and let parents use those vouchers for school of choice tha supports their values.. Again..I bet an influx to private...
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"yes..i can choos home school or private..Howver that is not the point."
That's BS! That option is the only point.
What you want is to leave poor families that have no options but the public schools with a curriculum that requires they submit to your dogma, so that their kids will become trapped in your religion like caged animals, even though that may be quite contrary to their parents wishes.
And let's get rid of any absurd claim that giving you money on the side for you to send your kids to a religious school is just or equal. It is just a scam to divert that money from the public schools so you can holler they aren't as good as private schools.
I'll tell you bluntly, from a lifetime of teaching students that went to all manner of schools beforehand, overall, those from private religious schools are the weakest and those from private non-religious schools are only marginally better.
You are not researching, you are spreading dogma, most of which is lies and all of which is hateful.
Yes, public education did not show up 'til way past the time of the Constitution. I hate to explain the facts to you, but, if it had been left to those of your ilk, it wouldn't have come about ever. As it was, the force that brought public education to the U.S., thereby setting it up to become the most powerful nation on Earth, was a force you hate and despise, the labor movement. You may want to thank Samuel Gompers, first and foremost for bringing us public education. It was liberal thinking (liberal in the academic theater, not the political)that created the idea of public schools, you see.
It iseducation, not indoctrination, which is what you advocate. It is there to teach children how to think, not what to think. Simply because it doesn't accept dictation from your religion does not make it liberal politically.
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As it was, the force that brought public education to the U.S., thereby setting it up to become the most powerful nation on Earth, was a force you hate and despise, the labor movement. You may want to thank Samuel Gompers, first and foremost for bringing us public education. It was liberal thinking (liberal in the academic theater, not the political)that created the idea of public schools, you see.
good point bdgee...
i'm always amused that people claim dem good ole ways was better...
we had this thing called a DEPRESSION.... so they started social security an a few other liberal programs to avoid having one AGAIN...
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and dem durn Meskins dilutin the public schools with "spic Ainglish" No 'Spic inglish" no spickey both! and paying into SocSec with no hope of getting any back on fake numbers yet being available for war when we need bodies and nobody unnerstands why feds won't shut down borders and local communities beginning to bill Mexico or make Colorado laws and Savage Nation says compare to Bush? Clinton was a dang good conservative and meantime everybody rubs their faces and says "WTF Happened?"
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