quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Richard Brown: Richard has indicated that he has been paid with QBID shares. Was he paid with common or preferred ? Not a word from IR or Q regarding their filing for a R/S. But then again did we expect any word from Carol Hinnant or the elusive Mr. Fan.
Well I got my own reply from Richard regarding the status of his shares. He indicated that his shares are "common" only.
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Just think of all those employees that were paid in stock options, now to find they have nothing to show for it and for not getting paid in the last few months
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Just suppose for a minute that Mr. Fan is a savvy businessman and that Frank fooled him with the books. And carry this fantasy a bit further and suppose that Mr. Fan is trying to get this company back on track. Hence a reverse split to get the A/S to a reasonable level. After the r/s (if it will be 10,000/1) each share is worth $1.00. If some of the other things about this company are still good (reason I bought into it initially in 2004 and continued to invest - e.g. gay games, carriers, hopes and dreams) then wouldn’t $1.00/shr be a lot more attractive to investors than $0.0001/shr. If the A/S is 350 bil shares (someone mentioned an increase although I haven’t seen that) after the split we will have 35,000,000 shares authorized – again more attractive to investors. From what I can see Mr. Fan has not lied to shareholders and he has attempted to do what he said he would do. If my observations and math are correct then I still have hope. I am a small investor in this company (12,000,000 shares worth $1,200.00 and soon to be 1,200 shares worth $1,200.00), not a pumper, no ties to the company or anyone in it---but still an optimist. Just my thoughts and certainly not an enticement to suggest anyone buy or sell. Good luck to all!
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from what I understand his attempt was to up the a/s to 570B, then r/s to make it 57M, but because this company is so f*d up, their numbers didn't add up and the request was rejected by the WaSoS
quote:Originally posted by JimS: Just suppose for a minute that Mr. Fan is a savvy businessman and that Frank fooled him with the books. And carry this fantasy a bit further and suppose that Mr. Fan is trying to get this company back on track. Hence a reverse split to get the A/S to a reasonable level. After the r/s (if it will be 10,000/1) each share is worth $1.00. If some of the other things about this company are still good (reason I bought into it initially in 2004 and continued to invest - e.g. gay games, carriers, hopes and dreams) then wouldn’t $1.00/shr be a lot more attractive to investors than $0.0001/shr. If the A/S is 350 bil shares (someone mentioned an increase although I haven’t seen that) after the split we will have 35,000,000 shares authorized – again more attractive to investors. From what I can see Mr. Fan has not lied to shareholders and he has attempted to do what he said he would do. If my observations and math are correct then I still have hope. I am a small investor in this company (12,000,000 shares worth $1,200.00 and soon to be 1,200 shares worth $1,200.00), not a pumper, no ties to the company or anyone in it---but still an optimist. Just my thoughts and certainly not an enticement to suggest anyone buy or sell. Good luck to all!
quote:Originally posted by JimS: Just suppose for a minute that Mr. Fan is a savvy businessman and that Frank fooled him with the books. And carry this fantasy a bit further and suppose that Mr. Fan is trying to get this company back on track. Hence a reverse split to get the A/S to a reasonable level. After the r/s (if it will be 10,000/1) each share is worth $1.00. If some of the other things about this company are still good (reason I bought into it initially in 2004 and continued to invest - e.g. gay games, carriers, hopes and dreams) then wouldn’t $1.00/shr be a lot more attractive to investors than $0.0001/shr. If the A/S is 350 bil shares (someone mentioned an increase although I haven’t seen that) after the split we will have 35,000,000 shares authorized – again more attractive to investors. From what I can see Mr. Fan has not lied to shareholders and he has attempted to do what he said he would do. If my observations and math are correct then I still have hope. I am a small investor in this company (12,000,000 shares worth $1,200.00 and soon to be 1,200 shares worth $1,200.00), not a pumper, no ties to the company or anyone in it---but still an optimist. Just my thoughts and certainly not an enticement to suggest anyone buy or sell. Good luck to all!
"A savvy business man who got taken by Frank..." That makes absolutely zero sense, lol.
Seriously, if this thing opens at a dollar after a 10000/1 split it's gonna drop like a rock in hot water. The question? How low will it go before it stops long enough for people to trade shares? Some have guessed .01.
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well, today was the day, i sold all my qbid, i probably shouldn't have but, oh well, i had to put a market order in, my sale went through at .00001 for 6 mil shares netting me 60 bucks, minus trade fees, 50, which is alright, its been a pleasure hoping qbid was gonna run.... take care, onto oil now
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That is wishful thinking - I am not saying you are wrong or right, but your theory only holds water if you bought 12M shares at .0001, MAYBE and that is a stretch. Most here are so-called LONGS and have bought in as high as .005 or .01 (some lower, some higher). Based on your theory, and a 1:10,000 R/S, if someones average was say .005, this stock would have to go up $50 for that investor to break even. And for the sakes of arguement...IF this hit a $1 with R/S - will it hold? most pinkies that R/S do not maintain initial R/S PPS -and lose about 70-80% of their value within 1 or two months. So IMO R/S is not a good thing. Now if Lloyd had purchased most of the O/S and retired, say 349B shares - that would have been a different story - and wishful thinking.
quote:Originally posted by JimS: Just suppose for a minute that Mr. Fan is a savvy businessman and that Frank fooled him with the books. And carry this fantasy a bit further and suppose that Mr. Fan is trying to get this company back on track. Hence a reverse split to get the A/S to a reasonable level. After the r/s (if it will be 10,000/1) each share is worth $1.00. If some of the other things about this company are still good (reason I bought into it initially in 2004 and continued to invest - e.g. gay games, carriers, hopes and dreams) then wouldn’t $1.00/shr be a lot more attractive to investors than $0.0001/shr. If the A/S is 350 bil shares (someone mentioned an increase although I haven’t seen that) after the split we will have 35,000,000 shares authorized – again more attractive to investors. From what I can see Mr. Fan has not lied to shareholders and he has attempted to do what he said he would do. If my observations and math are correct then I still have hope. I am a small investor in this company (12,000,000 shares worth $1,200.00 and soon to be 1,200 shares worth $1,200.00), not a pumper, no ties to the company or anyone in it---but still an optimist. Just my thoughts and certainly not an enticement to suggest anyone buy or sell. Good luck to all!
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Dew, my original buy in was at .015. Did cost averaging down to .0007. Notice that I commented "just suppose" and "carry this fantasy a bit further". If it is worth .0001 with 10,000/1 then it would be $1.00/shr at the time of the r/s but I agree that it would probably drop very quickly and it is doubtful that it will hold. "it is a fantasy, a pure fantasy"
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Think about it... In the last PR dated 4/12/06, Frankie the Fraudster, I mean Lloyd stated that he and his investors currently hold 185.5B shares and that 140B remain in float - the math never added up because we were never told where the other 24.5 -25B were/are based on 350 A/S.
Anyhow, IMO, Frankie the Fraudster, I mean Lloyd increased the A/S to 570B so that he could screw current QBID investors and increase his overall control of shares. IMO, the reason for the increase and then R/S is as follows: Two scenarios based on 350B and 570B A/S. Someone, please check my math – but it is pretty evident to me why increase and then R/S.
Based on 350B A/S with 1:10,000 R/S
Lloyd: Before R/S = 185.5B. After R/S = 18.5M Float: Before R/S = 140B. After R/S =14M Unaccounted: Before R/S = 24.5B. After R/S = 24M
Based on 570 A/S with 1:10,000 R/S – an increase of 220B
Lloyd: Before R/S = 400.5B. After R/S = 40.5M Float: Before R/S = 140B. After R/S =14M Unaccounted: Before R/S = 24.5B. After R/S = 24M
Think about this as well… in the last PR (04/12/06) Frankie, I mean Lloyd stated “Since I've taken over, we have not and will not increase the float any further.” WTF?!
So who is looking out for QBID investors? Frankie the Fraudster? NOT. Lloyd? NOT. Richard Brown? NOT. SEC? NOT.
IMO, this sounds like the perfect scam and it is still continuing – Dec 06 is not come soon enough for me, so I can write this PIG off!
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Why would he bump the A/S now??? I'm not understanding this company, but I guess nothing really makes sense!
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Latest from Wash State: 425PM today, the filing for April 26th has been backed out and they expect that TMM will refile. So this time will it be 1:100, 1:1000, 1:10,000 or ever greater
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For anyone that gets QTN or subscribes to VDC to see QTN. VDC is advertising Brunch every morning with Scott Withers and Honey Labador? Is that right? I thouhgt Scott was fired!
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think about this one for a real far fetched idea.
there appears to be a lot of people selling their shares at .00001 and .00002.
Who is buying them?
someone is buying them. I cant buy them that low.
someone is buying up everything that is being sold at that price.
for 1 million dollars you can buy 50 billion shares. for 2 million you could buy 100 billion shares. for 3 million you could buy 150 billion.
now from what we know there is 140 billion shares out in the float.
now how do you get this number of shares to be dumped for that price?
maybe we could put out a botched up application for a 10000 to 1 reverse split. cause a massive scare and huge dumping of shares.
buy up say 135 billion shares really dirt cheap. dirt cheap being 2.7 million dollars
retire these shares, and lower the A/S to 10 billion shares and watch what happens.
they could sell 3 million shares in the $1 range and payback the loan if there was a loan needed, and cover the interest as well.
is it realistic? probably not. is it possible? sure it is, is it legal? I'm not sure, but i would not complain if this was the case.
anyone that holds long is still rewarded, anyone that was weak and dumped their shares would be kicking themselves for years to come.
As i said, this is all a fantasy in my mind, but ill be damned if i'm going to sell of my shares at this price to find out that my delusional mind is not so delusional.
remember this is a pink sheet and they are never as they appear to be. I still have not heard the fat lady sing, and until that time, I'm still clinging to the fact that i have not lost a penny until i decide to sell.
I don't want anyone to buy this stock based on my above fantasy. I have no expectations that this is what is going to happen in any way.
something is telling me that there is something fishy about a company that can not figure out how to do a r/s without screwing it up. Even the slimiest of CEOs never screw up a reverse split.
you want to figure out what scares a man, just look at what he tries to scare you with.
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Thats one of the best yet PT, Hell its doable.
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That sounds very far-fetched PT, which in Frank's case sounds plausible. Pretty crappy not to pay your employees so you can do a buy back though. Oh yeah, didn't you say something about slimy CEO's? lol
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Gee PT, you must have already gone down to Mexico and gotten some of that grass and cocaine that is now going to be legal. Great dreams...
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: think about this one for a real far fetched idea.
there appears to be a lot of people selling their shares at .00001 and .00002.
Who is buying them?
someone is buying them. I cant buy them that low.
someone is buying up everything that is being sold at that price.
for 1 million dollars you can buy 50 billion shares. for 2 million you could buy 100 billion shares. for 3 million you could buy 150 billion.
now from what we know there is 140 billion shares out in the float.
now how do you get this number of shares to be dumped for that price?
maybe we could put out a botched up application for a 10000 to 1 reverse split. cause a massive scare and huge dumping of shares.
buy up say 135 billion shares really dirt cheap. dirt cheap being 2.7 million dollars
retire these shares, and lower the A/S to 10 billion shares and watch what happens.
they could sell 3 million shares in the $1 range and payback the loan if there was a loan needed, and cover the interest as well.
is it realistic? probably not. is it possible? sure it is, is it legal? I'm not sure, but i would not complain if this was the case.
anyone that holds long is still rewarded, anyone that was weak and dumped their shares would be kicking themselves for years to come.
As i said, this is all a fantasy in my mind, but ill be damned if i'm going to sell of my shares at this price to find out that my delusional mind is not so delusional.
remember this is a pink sheet and they are never as they appear to be. I still have not heard the fat lady sing, and until that time, I'm still clinging to the fact that i have not lost a penny until i decide to sell.
I don't want anyone to buy this stock based on my above fantasy. I have no expectations that this is what is going to happen in any way.
something is telling me that there is something fishy about a company that can not figure out how to do a r/s without screwing it up. Even the slimiest of CEOs never screw up a reverse split.
you want to figure out what scares a man, just look at what he tries to scare you with.
Rod
lol...Have you ever thought how big outer space is? If it has limits, is it square, round, triangle, etc? If it was one of those shapes, then what is outer space in?
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