quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: [QUOTE]well, then, chat... leave off the insults...
Exactly! We are supposedly adults here, this isn't a place to wait around and watch for stocks to dip and then show up in a thread and heckle everyone. How about a little class.
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Everyone is worried about the Restricted Shares. IMO the CEO of JPHC is not going to lose. This has been in the works for months, we only see what is PR,ed we do not see what is going on behind the scenes.
I contacted a Person in management two months ago, he has a plan IMO.
The JPHC CEO is known for his ability to find distressed companies such as Macro was and pick them up dirt cheap. He has done this with Macro and VXBX. JPHC has Revenues just read the DD page I did on all the JOHC Companies and posted.
Now Sure APO has problems that is why this deal will work and that is why APO was selected as the company to merge with IMO.
The CEO of JPHC just saved 100 to 200 Thousand dollars in Filing Fees by doing the Form 15.
Now we will move to the otc.bb get more exposure and better financing rates with an already established company APO.
Now 005 for JPHC, everyone is worried about the restriction and I understand that but if it were not restricted shares there would be a flood of shares sold. What if the new shares in 1 year are worth .01 or .02, in two years .04, .05? It coild happen. It could also happen that APO goes under. IMO the risk is Very Low and that is based on all the DD I have researched along with others .
IMO the CEO and CFO of JPHC are not going to lose their money. I beleive there is a plan and that plan is in effect right now.
Now a R/S afterwards could happen, then the shares are less we do not lose any value, the shares are registered and not restricted, we move to a higher exchange, we are now on the watchlist of institutions. This can all happen.
You have to keep the blinders off and see a plan and a vision of what the managemnt is thinking. For me I think this is a Golden Opportunity.
The risk here IMO based on all the DD we have done is extremely low.
I hope this Scenario helps some here. ************************************************************* ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are two sides to this coin but no one will ever know which is heads and which is tails because there is so much personal BS going on why would anyone bother to sift through it.
This has turned into an egofest that belongs on a playground.
I thought these boards were set up in an attempt to allow investors to decipher what is happening to the stock they are invested in or to gather some information that might aid them in the decision of investing or not investing in a stock.
Whether you are PRO merger, Anti merger or just somewhere in between let's keep our eye on the ball. State your opinion backed up with the facts you have available, if someone posts an alternate view use facts to back up your position and leave the ego's and personal attacks at the door as they accomplish nothing.
Every single person who reads or posts messages must make their own decision if you really want to help them, give them what they need. They don't need 44 posts going back and forth trying to proof who knows more or who can more cleverly put down the other.
There is also a whole lotta assumption going on here that could be construed as misleading at best. I'll give a few examples but am not trying to say that these are the only ones or attempting to single anyone out, they are just a few that stuck out in my mind as I sifted through this swamp.
Assumption #1=They raised the A/S so they could do a R/S and that this is exactly what is going to happen as soon as the deal is done. Not only will the shares be restricted but they will R/S your shares down to nothing.
It's an assumption because it can not be verified or backed up in the least. In fact as far as I'm concerned there are only a couple reasons for a company to do a R/S.
(1) To create more shares because they have reached the limit and can't issue more. Whether it's for legitimate reasons or a part of a scam doesn't matter. It's to raise capital.
(2) To create a higher PPS in order to attract new buyers or to qualify for a different level trading platform. IE going from Pinksheets to the OTCBB or going from the OTCBB to the AMEX or NASQ.
In this case they will have plenty of shares to sell if they want to. no need to do an R/S. If they run out of the 125 billion that they have authorized well let's just say I doubt they would still be a viable stock.
The other Assumption is that the shares will be worth X amount of dollars when they are tradable. Unless someone can actually foretell the future, there is absolutely no way to know what is going to happen tommorrow much less a year or 2 down the road. The company could go out of business, file BK or just plain not trade for whatever reason and end up being worth .0001. Or they could find a way to use Macrosouth and build a solid company that will help raise the PPS higher than anyone could think. The point is NO ONE knows. Since I don't believe in psychic's I don't think anyone can say for a certainty what is going to unfold in the future.
I'm sure everyone has asked themselves this question. So what is your answer. Alot have said no for all kinds of reasons but mainly because they don't want there money tied up for 2 years with no say in what is happening. Or at the end of 2 years who knows what apoa will be worth, they could be bankrupt. Two very good answers in my opinion.
Now, put yourself in Hawkins and Kwongs position except that they collectively hold approx. 4.7B shares. Thru this merger their shares would be tied up for the same 2 years and they would have no voting rights either. Also they don't know for sure if apoa will be around in 2 years.
4.7 BILLION SHARES, tied up for 2 years. I don't think so. Think about this logically, neither you or I or anyone else would stake that much money without any control for 2 years. But yet, if the merger goes thru the way its been talked about here that is exactly what they would be doing. It says in the 8K from apoa that no additional incentives will be payed to any stockholder other than what is laid out in the merger.
So is there something more to this that we don't know about. I don't know for sure and neither do you, but I think there is one thing here that we all can agree on and that is if we had 4.7B shares tied up in this, there would be something more to it that we don't know about or we wouldn't do it.
I don't know what it is but, If I controlled the company with 4.7B shares there is now way that I would sign a merger agreement like this without some sort of plan for recovery. I can just about guarentee it is not going down the way we see it now.
Just think about it logically, thats all I ask. Big money involved here and by the merger agreement we are tied to the big money, same deal, same rights.
There is something else coming here we just don't know what it is, but it won't be shares tied up for 2 years and no voting rights.
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At least initially, 2 more things to consider on apoa's side of this. 1) They had to up their AS to such a large amount to cover the transaction. 25B shares though? Yes, and here's why. If for instance apoa's 20 day average dropped to .0025 the day of the merger they would need approx. 20B shares to cover the deal. So, yes its alot of shares but it had to be done.
2) Again, at least initially, the shares would have to be restricted or apoa would not have the authority to carry out the REST OF THE PLAN whatever it may be. If they were not restricted and all of a sudden they had 20B new shareholders, anything they did would have to be put to a vote. With the general attitude of shareholders at this point because we don't know the full extent of the merger, I am reasonably sure that shareholder confidence or lack of it would ruin the company nearly immediately.
Just think about it, can it really be as bad as most of us think, when the officers of jphc will get the same treatment as the rest of us. I don't think so or they would never have signed off on the merger. They could have just RS and diluted and kept playing the game, but they must have seen something better to do with their money, which remember is tied to ours.
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The merger has got to have more to it than what we see here folks. Ray and Kwong will receive new shares at the same conversion rate as we will, and do you think for a minute they will let $23M dollars just sit for 2 years with no guarentee it will even be there at the end.
There is more that we don't know about, plain and simple, it will come out.
So before you let someone talk you into selling at least consider the possiblity that this is not such a bad deal as people bashing this stock would have us believe.
The two best reasons to hold this right now, IMO, are: 1) Because Hawkins and Kwong can't sell their restricted shares so they must go into the merger with anyone that holds, and they would not have signed a deal that ties up $23M for two years with no right to say what happens and 2) The bashers of this stock are still out in force. If they are being paid to bash this stock as many people believe, why are they still here unless their employers still have a monetary interest in it. Makes you wonder.
JMHO,2 very good reasons to hold at this point. What have we got to loose.
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Not sure if I ever posted it, but I know I've thought about that too.
If the leaders of JPHC are essentially signing up for the same deal as the rest of us (and I have no way of knowing whether they do or not, I tried to look but haven't been able to confirm or deny), then ajman's logic makes sense. Would you really hand over that much money and hope it's still around in 2 years unless you know something?
People on the RSHN thread are talking about how Michael Lynch inveted so much money in RSHN and is getting restricted shares, so there MUST be something good on the horizon or he wouldn't have agreed to have his money tied up.
The same can be said here (Yes, Michael Lynch is obviously on a different level, but the JPHC people would have to be close to retarded to agree to have their money tied up for so long if they didn't think it was going to be worth significantly more.)
I'm still holding. I don't see the share price of JPHC being under .001 for much longer, and if it is, I may just hold the 2 years and go for broke. WTF do I have to lose at this point?
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All I got to say is if this doesn't get back to at least .0008 by friday, I'll have no choice but to go into the merger - And if those APOA shares are restricted, then my wife will be gnawing on my c*ck for the next 2 years.
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I will continue my holding to. I've lost money on dumber things, and gained money on longer shots. So I am in win, lose, draw...I am here for the ride.
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DK, Gnawing. Damn.... The another side of that coin is that they filed to stop reporting. Does that include the two bastuds, not reporting of selling shares. Who says they even own that amount anymore. They may have been selling since the filing and we would never, ever know. Also the preferred shares arent mentioned in the buyout. Companies dont reverse split preferred shares as far as i know. That is where them two bastuds are gonna make a mint. Reverse split, get the price up to whatever, revert the preferred to common and dump at the great new price. If I was in their shoes and it was legal you bet I would. Then of course I would be a bastud too. lol. I may be all wet but unless some can prove me wrong with SEC documentation I wont be changing my mind. I am hoping for the dcb and will be out, I will etch their names in my long term, short term and no term memory and stay away from them forever. TMAN...
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quote:Originally posted by tmanfromtexas: DK, Gnawing. Damn.... The another side of that coin is that they filed to stop reporting. Does that include the two bastuds, not reporting of selling shares. Who says they even own that amount anymore. They may have been selling since the filing and we would never, ever know. Also the preferred shares arent mentioned in the buyout. Companies dont reverse split preferred shares as far as i know. That is where them two bastuds are gonna make a mint. Reverse split, get the price up to whatever, revert the preferred to common and dump at the great new price. If I was in their shoes and it was legal you bet I would. Then of course I would be a bastud too. lol. I may be all wet but unless some can prove me wrong with SEC documentation I wont be changing my mind. I am hoping for the dcb and will be out, I will etch their names in my long term, short term and no term memory and stay away from them forever. TMAN...
Can anyone else confirm or debunk this?
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I never owned JPHC, but I'd like to meet your wife, and break her of that gnawing habit.
quote:Originally posted by dkinvest: All I got to say is if this doesn't get back to at least .0008 by friday, I'll have no choice but to go into the merger - And if those APOA shares are restricted, then my wife will be gnawing on my c*ck for the next 2 years.
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I was wondering the same thing. Does the CEO and others own Pref. Shares? And if so, A, B, or C shares? If they own comon shares like the rest of us they are stuck like the rest of us if they are restricted. I just don't have time to do the research into what shares they own!
quote:Originally posted by letitrideboy: I was wondering the same thing. Does the CEO and others own Pref. Shares? And if so, A, B, or C shares? If they own comon shares like the rest of us they are stuck like the rest of us if they are restricted. I just don't have time to do the research into what shares they own!
Where could I find this info? I do have some time to check into it.
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hmmm I would assume back in a filing of when the new CEO came on board, if he purchased those shares from the previous CEO. if you find it let us know!
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You guys sound like Titanic's builders as the ship is sinking... "Now mates, where is that bulkhead shutoff valve? Are the watertight compartments really watertight?"
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quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: You guys sound like Titanic's builders as the ship is sinking... "Now mates, where is that bulkhead shutoff valve? Are the watertight compartments really watertight?"
LOL no it's more like we would be putting on womans dresses and getting on the life rafts !!
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