quote:Originally posted by hypnostock: No fill on Ameritrade for .0001 yet for me. Might change to .0002 anybody getting .0001's?
That's up to you but .0001 to .0002 is double the price. Me, I would stick with .0001 and change the order around and watch Level II for the "moment" to put the order in. In example, if you see 5,000,000 share orders passing through "Last Sell" then a order for 5,000,000 might get filled when a order for other amounts such as 9,000,000 might not. I watched for a few seconds and would try 1,000,000 5,000,000 6,000,000 or 9,000,000
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quote:Originally posted by hypnostock: No fill on Ameritrade for .0001 yet for me. Might change to .0002 anybody getting .0001's?
That's up to you but .0001 to .0002 is double the price. Me, I would stick with .0001 and change the order around and watch Level II for the "moment" to put the order in. In example, if you see 5,000,000 share orders passing through "Last Sell" then a order for 5,000,000 might get filled when a order for other amounts such as 9,000,000 might not. I watched for a few seconds and would try 1,000,000 5,000,000 6,000,000 or 9,000,000
But, shouldn't you get partial fills in those cases. e.g. if I want to buy lets say 50 Million, is it better to put in 25 orders of 2 mill each rather then one 50 Mill order with "all or nothing" unchecked??
I called up my broker to find out how many shares are ahead of me on the inside bid at .0001 and my broker told me....
715 Billion.
LMAO.
Now, i have used this service numerous times before and normally they are right on, whether it be like 250 shares or 25,000 shares, you can rely on it. So i dont know whats goin on here, maybe the MM were crackin jokes, i dont know.
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quote:Originally posted by hypnostock: No fill on Ameritrade for .0001 yet for me. Might change to .0002 anybody getting .0001's?
That's up to you but .0001 to .0002 is double the price. Me, I would stick with .0001 and change the order around and watch Level II for the "moment" to put the order in. In example, if you see 5,000,000 share orders passing through "Last Sell" then a order for 5,000,000 might get filled when a order for other amounts such as 9,000,000 might not. I watched for a few seconds and would try 1,000,000 5,000,000 6,000,000 or 9,000,000
But, shouldn't you get partial fills in those cases. e.g. if I want to buy lets say 50 Million, is it better to put in 25 orders of 2 mill each rather then one 50 Mill order with "all or nothing" unchecked??
I do use AON but still sometimes you have to buy the product offered. If 9,000,000 share orders are coming through and you want 50 Mill then your order may never be filled, unless maybe you change it to 45 mill and then one for 5,000,000
Most of the .0001s a little while ago were mostly for 9 Mill share lots.
The only time I don't use AON is say on QBID I wanted to SELL some then I might offer 9 mill shares, WITHOUT AON, and hope a few mill were sold.
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quote:Originally posted by bige2533: I believe it is all speculation.
quote:Originally posted by freebird68nj:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde_Crashcup:
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: Does someone still have the MM's codes?
Signals between MMs... 100 > I need shares 200 > I need shares badly but dont take it down to get em 300 > Take the price down to get shares.... 400 > Trade it sideways based on Supply and Demand 500 > Gap one way or the other
Q: Are these 'codes' true & accurate and followed by the indusrty (aka MM's)? Or just speculation on our part as interested eyes on the market?
At one time I talked to Alphatrade and was told the MM's have Level III screens and we do not see any of MM's transactions. I doubt the codes are used but I don't know for sure.
OK. Then wouldn't that be a form of collusion on their (the MM's) behalf & hence illegal? Sort of like price fixing by retailers...just asking...
quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: I currently have an order in for .0001.
I called up my broker to find out how many shares are ahead of me on the inside bid at .0001 and my broker told me....
715 Billion.
LMAO.
Now, i have used this service numerous times before and normally they are right on, whether it be like 250 shares or 25,000 shares, you can rely on it. So i dont know whats goin on here, maybe the MM were crackin jokes, i dont know.
so let me get this right you called your broker and their is seven+ times the a/s trying to be bought at .0001 not 715 million but billion?
wow that is alot of shares people are willing to buy at the bottom. i hope someone has been checking on the a/s from the transfer agent if he raises the a/s one more time i think ill just shoot myself and get it over with. ok that was a bit dramatic.
26 million long and strong.
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i want to beleive that a huge buyback is in the works but who in their right mind would be selling billions of shares?
who had this many , who was offered this amount . it just doesnt add up. only recently they raised the a/s were those shares offered up in some sort of deal and ready to hit the market right away? im confused.
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fwiw gsh/lbs same active date and filing time...
GULF STATE HOLDING COMPANY LLC LBS, LLC NETWORK TELEPORTS, LLC
...same managers--FRANK W OLSON, RICHARD H SHINTAKU, VINCE VELLARDITA
...same registered agent--TIFFANY KALAHIKI
gsh Active on 12/12/2005 File Date: 9/22/2005 11:00:47 AM lbs Active on 12/12/2005 File Date: 9/22/2005 11:00:57 AM nti Status: Active File Date: 10/21/2005 12:25:37 PM
Market makers (sometimes referred to as "Ax") provide continuous bid and offer prices within a prescribed percentage spread for shares in which they are designated to make a market. There can be anywhere from 4 to 40 (or more) market makers for a particular stock depending on the average daily volume. The market makers play an important role in the secondary market as catalysts, particularly for enhancing stock liquidity and thus generally for promoting long-term growth the market.
Market makers must maintain continuous two-sided quotes (bid and ask) within a predefined spread. A market is created when the designated market maker quotes bids and offers over a period of time. They ensure there is a buyer for your sell order and a seller for your buy order at any time.
Once the market maker has entered a price, they are obligated to either buy or sell at least 1000 securities at that advertised price. Once the market maker has either bought or sold these shares they may then "leave the market" and enter a new bid or ask price to make a profit on their previous trade.
Let's say that a market maker has entered a sell order for Microsoft (MSFT) and the bid/ask is $65.25/$65.30. The market maker can try to sell shares of MSFT at $65.30, if they do, they can then turn around and enter a bid order to buy shares in MSFT. The market maker can bid higher or lower than the current bid of $65.25, if he/she enters a bid at $65.26 then a new market is created because their bid price is now the best bid. If the market maker attracts a seller at the new bid price of $65.26 then they have successfully "made the spread." The market maker sold 1000 shares at $65.30 and bought these shares back at $65.26. As a result, the market maker made $40 (1000 shares x 4 cents) on the difference between the two transactions. This might not seem like much, but doing this repeatedly with larger order sizes can provide lucrative profits. All day long market makers do this, providing liquidity to individual and institutional investors. The major risk for the market maker is the time elapsed between the two transactions, the faster they can make the spread the more money they can potentially make.
However, making money from the differences in bid and ask prices is not the only function of market makers. Their first priority is to provide liquidity to their own firm's clients, for which they will receive a commission. They may also facilitate trading for other brokerage firms, very similar to the specialist's duties.
It should also be noted that market makers are required by law to give customers the best bid or ask price for each market order transaction. This ensures a fair and reasonable two-sided market. If these regulations were not in place, we would see customers getting gouged and share prices being much more volatile than they already are.
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quote:Originally posted by noah129: i want to beleive that a huge buyback is in the works but who in their right mind would be selling billions of shares?
who had this many , who was offered this amount . it just doesnt add up. only recently they raised the a/s were those shares offered up in some sort of deal and ready to hit the market right away? im confused.
Normally raising the A/S is followed by using the newly authorized shares to raise money, but they can also be held in reserve for a future need. Frank promised us during the last cc that he would not raise the O/S without asking the shareholders first; unless he has broken that promise, the O/S should still be somewhere around 44B (what he said it was at the last CC).
I am still hoping that Frank has not broken his word on this subject.
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according to Free real time dot com, it seems alot of transactions today were buys...can anyone with level II's guesstimate if we'll tick north soon?
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quote:Originally posted by NextWeek: The Role of a Market Maker
Market makers (sometimes referred to as "Ax") provide continuous bid and offer prices within a prescribed percentage spread for shares in which they are designated to make a market. There can be anywhere from 4 to 40 (or more) market makers for a particular stock depending on the average daily volume. The market makers play an important role in the secondary market as catalysts, particularly for enhancing stock liquidity and thus generally for promoting long-term growth the market.
Market makers must maintain continuous two-sided quotes (bid and ask) within a predefined spread. A market is created when the designated market maker quotes bids and offers over a period of time. They ensure there is a buyer for your sell order and a seller for your buy order at any time.
Once the market maker has entered a price, they are obligated to either buy or sell at least 1000 securities at that advertised price. Once the market maker has either bought or sold these shares they may then "leave the market" and enter a new bid or ask price to make a profit on their previous trade.
Let's say that a market maker has entered a sell order for Microsoft (MSFT) and the bid/ask is $65.25/$65.30. The market maker can try to sell shares of MSFT at $65.30, if they do, they can then turn around and enter a bid order to buy shares in MSFT. The market maker can bid higher or lower than the current bid of $65.25, if he/she enters a bid at $65.26 then a new market is created because their bid price is now the best bid. If the market maker attracts a seller at the new bid price of $65.26 then they have successfully "made the spread." The market maker sold 1000 shares at $65.30 and bought these shares back at $65.26. As a result, the market maker made $40 (1000 shares x 4 cents) on the difference between the two transactions. This might not seem like much, but doing this repeatedly with larger order sizes can provide lucrative profits. All day long market makers do this, providing liquidity to individual and institutional investors. The major risk for the market maker is the time elapsed between the two transactions, the faster they can make the spread the more money they can potentially make.
However, making money from the differences in bid and ask prices is not the only function of market makers. Their first priority is to provide liquidity to their own firm's clients, for which they will receive a commission. They may also facilitate trading for other brokerage firms, very similar to the specialist's duties.
It should also be noted that market makers are required by law to give customers the best bid or ask price for each market order transaction. This ensures a fair and reasonable two-sided market. If these regulations were not in place, we would see customers getting gouged and share prices being much more volatile than they already are.
quote:Originally posted by noah129: i want to beleive that a huge buyback is in the works but who in their right mind would be selling billions of shares?
who had this many , who was offered this amount . it just doesnt add up. only recently they raised the a/s were those shares offered up in some sort of deal and ready to hit the market right away? im confused.
Normally raising the A/S is followed by using the newly authorized shares to raise money, but they can also be held in reserve for a future need. Frank promised us during the last cc that he would not raise the O/S without asking the shareholders first; unless he has broken that promise, the O/S should still be somewhere around 44B (what he said it was at the last CC).
I am still hoping that Frank has not broken his word on this subject.
ok point well taken but i dont think that explains who had this many shares to dump. even if the o/s is the same who had this many shares to sell? ???
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ACTUALLY AMERITRADE SAID IT'S UP TO THE MM TO PARTIAL FILL OR NOT. I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION TO CHECK FOR ALL OR NONE, SO I CALLED THEM. CHANGING MY BUY TO .0002 TOMORROW .0002 IS BETTER THAN .0004 +
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quote:Originally posted by hypnostock: ACTUALLY AMERITRADE SAID IT'S UP TO THE MM TO PARTIAL FILL OR NOT. I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION TO CHECK FOR ALL OR NONE, SO I CALLED THEM. CHANGING MY BUY TO .0002 TOMORROW .0002 IS BETTER THAN .0004 +
Uh oh ... another case of OP disease. But I'm already infected, so welcome to the quarentine ward.
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quote:Originally posted by qlooz: Ok I dont want to sound negative but Who really cares about gay games? does the general public care? Just so you know , I am gay and I have never heard of gay games and I like most gay people I know are not really into sports. Now a good decorating show.. hey thats a good idea.... they could make a show like the Iron Chef but with decorating instead of cooking. hmmm
qlooz Your comments sound like homophobic stereotypes ... that gays "hate sports" and "love decorating".
If you really are gay and really do prefer decorating instead of watching sports ... so be it. I also prefer decorating instead of watching sports. And I am NOT gay. So, apparently personal interests do not accurately indicate a person's sexual orientation. Right?
And don't discount the value of the Gay Games to Q's success. Q did not create the games and is not hosting them ... they are reporting on a huge and popular sporting event called the Gay Games, and they should generate considerable income from their efforts.
I think your screenname indicates your agenda ... you want "Q" to "looz" ... but I'm curious why you think that way. Would you please help me understand?
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hmmm ... i guess my comment could be taken that way. I didnt mean it steriotypically, i guess its just my sense of humor. that said .. i was referring to a count down to gay games as if they were going to do something to help this stock? or do people really look forward to watching. And if i wanted Q to looz I wouldnt keep buying this stock.
Oh, is it "Q Lose" or "clues"?
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quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: I currently have an order in for .0001.
I called up my broker to find out how many shares are ahead of me on the inside bid at .0001 and my broker told me....
715 Billion.
LMAO.
Now, i have used this service numerous times before and normally they are right on, whether it be like 250 shares or 25,000 shares, you can rely on it. So i dont know whats goin on here, maybe the MM were crackin jokes, i dont know.
Miller, I am not sure that I understand, "We still have the same CEO as last week"
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