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Do we need to sacrifice lambs or virgins to the appease the Gods or what? We get "numbers" but the market still does not respond? I gues the market wants an official audited/filed numbers...
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i believe he said within 24 months it should be worth 1 bil
quote:Originally posted by Degs: ok do I have this right? If there are 19.5 billion total shares and Frank says this company is worth 1 billion dollars then the stock should be worth about 5 cents a share correct. and im not saying thats what what said i'm just figuring for a later time and an exit on 25%of my shares.
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ok guys, enough of talking to bashers etc....this news is huge..what we are talking about here is a terribly undervalued stock...many people have created a complete dream setup for Q, and this may not have been realized with this PR as the O/S is 14B INCLUDING the 5Billion authorized...
this PR couldnt have been anybetter...again profitable in 11 months, no future intention to dilute and plans to buyback shares once liquide..financial institions are not stupid and dont get caught up in scam theories etc...they know this is huge oppurtunity and i expect to see insttions to begin to buy in after they have seen these numbers..we can now put a correct valuation on the stock because we have the subscriber numbers, o/s numbers, etc...
enough with the bashers...stop responding to them...they like to take away from the moment, so lets get down to it and read over the PR again...lets talk about what it says as this is what influences us...not bashers theories and the like!
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shouldn't we expect some sort of upgrade from wall street news cast. even though this is not an official report i would think that this should raise their rating.....
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As best as I can tell, whenever a pink sheet stock has over $10 Million in assets AND over 500 shareholders (street name or not), they must at least report financials to the SEC.
Per Franks pr, "Q" has (or will have) over $10 Million in assets. Now, the big question is does "Q" have over 500 shareholders??
If they do, then financials will be reported to the SEC and thus making it public information. This wil be done shortly after the end of "Q"'s fiscal year.
Is that Right or Wrong????
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yeah sweetness, i expect them to upgrade...i also would add to not rely on them at all, as it is obvious they are doing this for their own good...obviously they are trading Q and are probably doing very well...so i would expect for them to upgrade now that they are filled at the bottom
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I guess it would be safe to say (trying to stay positive) that the buys we are seeing right now are people wanting to invest in the Q. And we are not seeing the any of the cray MM 9M blocks BS we have been seeing the past month. Lets hope it continues.
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Something else to consider is that Frank owns the equivilant of 53% of the company in preferred shares. Therefore, the 19.5B outstanding represents only 47% ownership in the company. So the pps based on the 1 billion dollars is closer to 2.5 cents.
quote:Originally posted by Degs: ok do I have this right? If there are 19.5 billion total shares and Frank says this company is worth 1 billion dollars then the stock should be worth about 5 cents a share correct. and im not saying thats what what said i'm just figuring for a later time and an exit on 25%of my shares.
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``We are confident the current market capitalization on our security should be trading more in line with the accomplishments highlighted throughout 2004-2005. Q Television's business model is being viewed as concrete by industry analysts, and our company is currently being courted by many large financial institutions on Wall Street seeking an ownership position in the company. Based upon the offers presented by these companies, Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization that the market has put on our trading stock, Triangle Multi-Media, the trading security for Q Television Network (a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media). Q Television's assets outweigh the total market value by seven times our stock price, and industry executives know this. We have been offered a low eight-figure deal for our company, and we refused. Our financial team is confident that Q Television will be worth one billion dollars in twenty-four months. Q Television has signed some of the largest cable carriers in the country, secured total broadcasting rights to the Gay Games VII, and owns and operates a multi-million dollar studio in California, to name a few of our accomplishments. The equity markets will not keep us at these levels for very long. We know that the outstanding share count has increased with some restricted stock coming due and selective purchases, but this stock was strictly used for tangible assets and was done in the best interest of the company. We will update the markets upon full completion of the audit,'' said Olsen.
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quote:Originally posted by GatorMan: Something else to consider is that Frank owns the equivilant of 53% of the company in preferred shares. Therefore, the 19.5B outstanding represents only 47% ownership in the company. So the pps based on the 1 billion dollars is closer to 2.5 cents.
quote:Originally posted by Degs: ok do I have this right? If there are 19.5 billion total shares and Frank says this company is worth 1 billion dollars then the stock should be worth about 5 cents a share correct. and im not saying thats what what said i'm just figuring for a later time and an exit on 25%of my shares.
Wouldn't the 53% come out of the 19.5?? Since that is the O/S? not the float.
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Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization OK then... 14B X 10 = .014. IF we interpret this as such than the 5.5 (restricted) is not counted and the true O/S 14B. yes - no?
quote:Originally posted by pennnies: ``We are confident the current market capitalization on our security should be trading more in line with the accomplishments highlighted throughout 2004-2005. Q Television's business model is being viewed as concrete by industry analysts, and our company is currently being courted by many large financial institutions on Wall Street seeking an ownership position in the company. Based upon the offers presented by these companies, Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization that the market has put on our trading stock, Triangle Multi-Media, the trading security for Q Television Network (a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media). Q Television's assets outweigh the total market value by seven times our stock price, and industry executives know this. We have been offered a low eight-figure deal for our company, and we refused. Our financial team is confident that Q Television will be worth one billion dollars in twenty-four months. Q Television has signed some of the largest cable carriers in the country, secured total broadcasting rights to the Gay Games VII, and owns and operates a multi-million dollar studio in California, to name a few of our accomplishments. The equity markets will not keep us at these levels for very long. We know that the outstanding share count has increased with some restricted stock coming due and selective purchases, but this stock was strictly used for tangible assets and was done in the best interest of the company. We will update the markets upon full completion of the audit,'' said Olsen.
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trading so far has been mainly retail and daytraders...thusfar this is basically real volume..not much MM games going on...keep in mind we are close to getting real money comin in...financial institions are looking closely at the stock, and they dont care that it has been held down, they have much more money than the MM and will take this oppurtunity in a second...Assests alone, we are way undervalued
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quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization OK then... 14B X 10 = .014. IF we interpret this as such than the 5.5 (restricted) is not counted and the true O/S 14B. yes - no?
quote:Originally posted by pennnies: ``We are confident the current market capitalization on our security should be trading more in line with the accomplishments highlighted throughout 2004-2005. Q Television's business model is being viewed as concrete by industry analysts, and our company is currently being courted by many large financial institutions on Wall Street seeking an ownership position in the company. Based upon the offers presented by these companies, Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization that the market has put on our trading stock, Triangle Multi-Media, the trading security for Q Television Network (a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media). Q Television's assets outweigh the total market value by seven times our stock price, and industry executives know this. We have been offered a low eight-figure deal for our company, and we refused. Our financial team is confident that Q Television will be worth one billion dollars in twenty-four months. Q Television has signed some of the largest cable carriers in the country, secured total broadcasting rights to the Gay Games VII, and owns and operates a multi-million dollar studio in California, to name a few of our accomplishments. The equity markets will not keep us at these levels for very long. We know that the outstanding share count has increased with some restricted stock coming due and selective purchases, but this stock was strictly used for tangible assets and was done in the best interest of the company. We will update the markets upon full completion of the audit,'' said Olsen.
Minus 53% of that which Frank owns. 19.5 - 5.5=14/53%= 7.42 Billion shares on the market
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I don't think so. If preferred is converted I think the stock comes out of the treasury and/or newly issued. So some or all of the common to cover any preferred conversion may not be issued yet. Any newly issued will increase the outstanding number of shares. As I understand the terms:
Authorized = the maximum number of shares that may be issued. Outstanding = the total number of shares that ARE issued (includes float, restricted and treasury). Float = the total number of outstanding shares that may be traded (does not include restricted or treasury). Restricted = the total number of outstanding shares that may not be traded. Treasury = total number of outstanding shares that are owned by the company.
I'll admit that I've never found (or really looked very hard) for definitive definitions on these terms and that the above comes from what I've deduced over the years.
Also, keep in mind that the above is applied to each class of stock separately. So common and preferred would have different number for each.
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quote:Originally posted by GatorMan: Something else to consider is that Frank owns the equivilant of 53% of the company in preferred shares. Therefore, the 19.5B outstanding represents only 47% ownership in the company. So the pps based on the 1 billion dollars is closer to 2.5 cents.
quote:Originally posted by Degs: ok do I have this right? If there are 19.5 billion total shares and Frank says this company is worth 1 billion dollars then the stock should be worth about 5 cents a share correct. and im not saying thats what what said i'm just figuring for a later time and an exit on 25%of my shares.
Wouldn't the 53% come out of the 19.5?? Since that is the O/S? not the float.
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quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization OK then... 14B X 10 = .014. IF we interpret this as such than the 5.5 (restricted) is not counted and the true O/S 14B. yes - no?
I'd say O/S is 19.5B. Note the PR says "shares outstanding total fourteen billion and five and one-half billion shares restricted." If the 5.5B were included in the 14B would not the "and" be "of which ... are restricted."?
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"We have been offered a low eight-figure deal ." This could be the $10M mentioned. If so our PPS should be at LEAST .014. Is'nt that correct?
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The only problem I have with that Gator is the simple fact that restricted are included in O/S. Therefore, how can the O/S be one number, plus the restricted. Once again, they have created a large gray area that will remain unclear until someone speaks with Richard.
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quote:Originally posted by GatorMan: I don't think so. If preferred is converted I think the stock comes out of the treasury and/or newly issued. So some or all of the common to cover any preferred conversion may not be issued yet. Any newly issued will increase the outstanding number of shares. As I understand the terms:
Authorized = the maximum number of shares that may be issued. Outstanding = the total number of shares that ARE issued (includes float, restricted and treasury). Float = the total number of outstanding shares that may be traded (does not include restricted or treasury). Restricted = the total number of outstanding shares that may not be traded. Treasury = total number of outstanding shares that are owned by the company.
I'll admit that I've never found (or really looked very hard) for definitive definitions on these terms and that the above comes from what I've deduced over the years.
Also, keep in mind that the above is applied to each class of stock separately. So common and preferred would have different number for each.
quote:Originally posted by pennnies:
quote:Originally posted by GatorMan: Something else to consider is that Frank owns the equivilant of 53% of the company in preferred shares. Therefore, the 19.5B outstanding represents only 47% ownership in the company. So the pps based on the 1 billion dollars is closer to 2.5 cents.
quote:Originally posted by Degs: ok do I have this right? If there are 19.5 billion total shares and Frank says this company is worth 1 billion dollars then the stock should be worth about 5 cents a share correct. and im not saying thats what what said i'm just figuring for a later time and an exit on 25%of my shares.
Wouldn't the 53% come out of the 19.5?? Since that is the O/S? not the float.
Not to be mean but read what you worte. The O/S includes?? Outstanding = the total number of shares that ARE issued (includes float, restricted and treasury(what frank owns)).
So All the shares of Qbid owned and unowned are 19.5. Minus the resiricted and 53% Frank owns.
Brings us to???
around 7.42 billion share float give or take a billion.
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quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization OK then... 14B X 10 = .014. IF we interpret this as such than the 5.5 (restricted) is not counted and the true O/S 14B. yes - no?
I'd say O/S is 19.5B. Note the PR says "shares outstanding total fourteen billion and five and one-half billion shares restricted." If the 5.5B were included in the 14B would not the "and" be "of which ... are restricted."?
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization OK then... 14B X 10 = .014. IF we interpret this as such than the 5.5 (restricted) is not counted and the true O/S 14B. yes - no?
I'd say O/S is 19.5B. Note the PR says "shares outstanding total fourteen billion and five and one-half billion shares restricted." If the 5.5B were included in the 14B would not the "and" be "of which ... are restricted."?
G-Man,
I though that at first also... but the PR states 10X current valuation. Our current valuation is .0014 not .0019 - therefore .014 should be our PPS.
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Speaking being hit with a stupid stick, where does it say they will not be released? This PR also says "partial" not "complete". Post your proof!
quote:Originally posted by g-invest: Did you guys get hit with the stupid stick or something? NO WHERE DOES IT SAY WHEN THE FINANCIALS WILL BE RELEASED.
That means they **WILL NOT BE RELEASED**. You have my word on that. If Frank refuses to pinpoint a time, it means he is NOT DOING IT.
GG on buying into the dilution fools. You need to get harsh on Frank, tell him to commit. Basically he could be making all this up without pinpointing a date for the release. Even if they are unaudited, he should still have them pinpoint a release.
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how can we have millions and millions traded and they dont bump it. Come on folks. That means that they(dilution/MM's/Restricted) are selling on the ask and it looks like all buys, right??????
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quote:Originally posted by clbgroove: how can we have millions and millions traded and they dont bump it. Come on folks. That means that they(dilution/MM's/Restricted) are selling on the ask and it looks like all buys, right??????
yes a few billion have been dumped. The float has to be bought up before you can move.
The float is 7.42 billion shares minus what has been bought up.
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Now as for what we are worth. Take 19.5 billion into 24 million (revenue 2006 fiscal)=
Revenue -- Q Television's current revenue is three hundred thirty thousand dollars per month and it expects twenty-four million dollars in revenue for fiscal year 2006. This number is based on existing contracts with advertisers, conservative subscriber increases based upon the regions available, and finally, commitments from partnerships (i.e. Gay Games, etc.).
Gives you a rough idea of in a year what we will be looking at.
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MT,in your next convo with Richard you might bring up the obscurity of the O/S number in this PR, as we all have valid arguments on here as to what it really is.
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quote:Originally posted by polo1110: MT,in your next convo with Richard you might bring up the obscurity of the O/S number in this PR, as we all have valid arguments on here as to what it really is.
will do polo, i understand all the confusion...
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