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OK guys. Well, we shook out - just like two weeks ago. And, imo, we'll be right back to 17 18 tomorrow or monday. Then, sit again until the next pr.

Same kind of pr; same bounce and shake

Big pr; long run

imho, glta

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Thanks FOT, many of us really appreciate all you do and post!

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quote:
Originally posted by Kevin from NYC:
I hope FOT is working on one of those cool posts that make everything seem ok [Smile]

I am trying... Like everyone else here... I am upset with the fall today. My expectations were much higher than what we got. As you can read a couple posts back, I sent an email to the Nutmeg Group. I have called Doug today. Maybe they will understand that we were not very happy with this message that was delivered today and the next one will be better! On a positive note, at least we did get some picture that they are moving forward and doing something to grow the business! We can start to see some of the direction that they are trying to go. It would be great if they would spell it out, so we didn't have to guess, but it is coming.

The drop today was mainly caused by those who expected more or a PR and a huge run to 30+, and when it didn't come they sold, causing a big drop. The initial fall from 20-15 went quick on relatively little volume. Like we saw last week, the volume required to get us back up to 18-20 is not very much! Another thing I noticed today is that EVERY single stock on my watch list is red with just 2 even!

Today was a TERRIBLE day in penny land! Tomorrow is going to be better!

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Yea it really was a bad day all the way around.
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BTW very well written letter FOT, i think that about sums it up for today. Here's to the short term future for those of us that are left! GLTA!
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Any one have an idea what the short term and long term potenical of ICMH is. I just bought in today at .0022.
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Short term?
Waiting for Moses, Jesus and Muhammed to bring us some very good news.

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quote:
Originally posted by Polarbear17:
Any one have an idea what the short term and long term potenical of ICMH is. I just bought in today at .0022.

The general feeling is that it will be between .01 and .04 short term and between .04 and .08 long term.
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quote:
Originally posted by Polarbear17:
Any one have an idea what the short term and long term potenical of ICMH is. I just bought in today at .0022.

ouch, hang in there buddy.. my average price isnt much less than that... its going to pay off big time.. just keep holding.. this company has a very bright future.
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I was at work when I got news of the all important switch and was kinda confused and let down. I didn't see ant ofthe elements that I supposed were going to be forthcoming, so...I called Doug. It's my first time and this was how it went:

D: Hello, Doug Hamby may I help you?
(very tight as though I were a bill collector or something)

Me: (paraphrasing) Hello, I'm blah blah, can you tell me how the revenues from the deal are going to be allocated?

D: No.

Me: Excuse me, I don't mean to sound like I'm tring to get any information that I'm noet supposed to have, but can you please tell me the percentage that ICMH is going to recieve or share in from the deal?

D: No.

Me: (kinda concerned) Is there anything that you can tell me?

D: No. The switch has been purchased and it is/will be generating income for the company.

Me: Can you tell me more about the switch and how it works? I am limited in my understanding of how everything is going to interact.

D: No. You don't want to know about the switch, you just want to know about the revenues and I'm not going to tell you.

Me: Honestly, I don't want to know anything about the revenues if you can't tell me.

D: Yes you do.

Me: No, honestly can you tell something, anything about the switch.

From here he went into telling me many of the similar things he told FOT (see previous FOT posting). He asked me did I notice that ICMH was getting a portion of the 50 million revenues and isn't that a good enough indication. I said yeah (though I was kinda on my heels at this time) and thanked him for his point of view and ended the call.

One word: manners. He should learn some. I came away feeling like I need to wash my hands. I'm kinda suspicious about this CEO we have and it naturally makes we wonder about my stock investment.

I'm trying to separate the two, but it's kinda difficult right now.

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huge plunge in the a.m. came on less than 10,000$.

probably a couple goofballs wanted out because the news wasn't gigantic, and put in some market sells.

[Mad] [Mad] bidwhacker + pinksheet = catastrophe. [Mad] [Mad]

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Yeah Corndo I've had similar interactions with him. He must have split personality disorder or something. He is rude and stand-offish to one person and then another person calls him and relays that he was personable and courteous.

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He asked me did I notice that ICMH was getting a portion of the 50 million revenues and isn't that a good enough indication.

lol.....isn't a portion of 50 mil. good enough?

HELL NO if it's a 20 cent portion.

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Well I think that I have had enough of this fake lying peckerhead of a CEO I have waited far to long to be jerked around till the end of October.

I will be selling my substantial amount of shares on Fri (tomorrow) so for all that want them you can have them. There are other stocks that I can buy with my money. When and if this so called company decides to move and put out some meaningful PR I will then jump on the bandwagon. Until then I will buy and sell others and not get jerked around.

Good luck to all who stay and hope it's worth the wait.

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ok...GL and HF with ur other stocks!

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In digging up some DD on NTELX, I found out that NTELX was 100% acquired by Vocalscape. So, I searched on Vocalscape and found their most recent corporate report. What I was looking for was how good is NTELX as a customer for the ICMH bandwidth that we just acquired? Are they growing? Do they have any plans for expansion,etc?

Vocalscape, Inc. Provides Corporate Update
Wednesday June 22, 8:14 pm ET


WHITE PLAINS, N.Y., June 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Vocalscape, Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: VCSC - News). In an ongoing effort to update shareholders on historic, current and future events the company will discuss in detail its overall business progress.
Vocalscape is an emerging developer of next generation Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) products and Telephony solutions. The growth of VoIP has been and continues to be driven primarily by:


* increasing consumer demand for lower cost phone service;
* improved quality and reliability of VoIP calls fueled by technological
advances, increased network development and greater bandwidth capacity;
* continuing domestic and international deregulation, opening new market
opportunities for VoIP services;
* new product innovations that allow VoIP providers to offer services not
currently offered by traditional phone service companies; and
* growing demand for long distance communication services driven by the
increased mobility of the global workforce.

As a result of these developments: consumers, enterprises, ISPs, ITSPs and Telecommunications companies are continuing to embrace offerings from VoIP providers, such as those offered by Vocalscape, Inc.

Over the past six months, the company has launched two new products, opened a new office for sales in White Plains, N.Y., implemented its new website http://www.vocalscape.com, negotiated an agreement for our customers to access Mix Networks services including North American DIDs (Phone Numbers) and Domestic Long Distance termination, negotiated an agreement with VBS Telecom to represent Vocalscape's turn-key VoIP solution allowing calling card businesses and subscriber business models like Vonage and Packet8, and has signed license agreements for its products with a Florida firm, a Swiss firm and a UK firm. The company is working on implementation and build-out of these agreements and will have news regarding these developments in the near future.

The Company has ongoing relationships with its products and services provided to Clickcom Communications (Greece) and Netfone (Vancouver). Going forward shareholders can expect continued discussions and negotiations with a variety of global customers and supporting marketing programs targeting Tier one ISPs and Web Hosting companies entering the VoIP markets.

With Vocalscape, there still exists a unique opportunity for the company and shareholders alike. The company has assembled a strong, knowledgeable and dedicated team with long-term expertise in telephone networks and VoIP technology.

The company is also announcing the addition of a key member to its team; Michael Jung. Michael has over 10 years experience gained in a mix of both internal and external consulting engagements for companies in the high technology, communications, utilities and manufacturing environments. Some of his clients have included Microsoft Corporation, TELUS Corporation, Terasen (BC Gas), Softimage, 360networks, fSONA and GT Group Telecom. Michael holds a Masters of Business Administration from Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario and a Bachelor of Science degree in biochemistry from the University of British Columbia.

About Vocalscape, Inc.

Vocalscape, Inc. is an emerging developer of interactive communication software. The Company has created software and interactive solutions revolving around global communications and Data Voice Convergence. Vocalscape focuses on adding to customer's website and customer support centers by integrating website solutions that enable real human assistance, live interaction services such as instant messaging, voice over the Internet (VoIP) and interactive desktop solutions sharing solutions. http://www.Vocalscape.com.

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Yeah...after that conversation I deserve 5 stars just for staying somewhat positive about this stock!! [Smile]

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Well, I can understand Doug being pissy when people call since he probably had a ton of upset people calling him, and he had quite enough... I am sure I would be snippy after having to deal with so many upset people.

This IMHO is a good thing, however, because now he knows that his PR was not quite up to snuff, and if he wants to avoid a similar reaction next time, he better learn from this and do it right. So far he is 0 for 2 on the good PR delivery, and needs to swing for the fences or he will strike out bigtime!

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quote:
Originally posted by FatherOfTwo:
What I was looking for was how good is NTELX as a customer for the ICMH bandwidth that we just acquired?

That gets to the heart of what I just don't understand about this deal FOT.

"strategic alliance with NTELX, an international network provider to the telecom industry."

NTELX already has an international network that they provide to other telecom companies. It would make no sense for NTELX to sell assets to ICMH and then turn around and become a customer of ICMH to use the assets that they just sold.

IMO ICMH is not going to be seeing revenues from NTELX. Why would NTELX agree to give a portion of their profits to ICMH? It just wouldn't make sense when they could keep the whole pie for themselves.

IMO it only makes sense that ICMH purchased the switch and bandwidth for their own customers. ICMH now has the assets for international VoIP and will see revenues from the customers that they are able to line up via calling cards, monthly VoIP contracts, etc.

Think about it like this:

Would you sell your car to your neighbor and then lease it from him every day so you can travel to work?

If you had a profitable business selling widgets,
would you sell your competitor half your widget supply so that you could buy them back from him when you need them?

This will be a good move for ICMH and I'm sure it will all make sense in the future.

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Since ICMH used India in their PR as an example of the “type” of switch I think it would be good to clarify why switch typing is important.
Please see below and notice the segmentation and potential (inherent) profit that can come from “our” new switch.
Telecom reform is redefining the distinctions between international long-distance (ILD), national long distance (NLD), and local long distance (intra-LATA LD in the United States), forcing carriers to revise business models and equipment vendors to adapt product lines. While many similarities exist between telecom reforms in various countries, it is the differences that lead to the complexities in segmenting markets and requirements for Class 4 LD equipment.
The entry of distance-insensitive, softswitch-based Class 4 solutions further adds to this dynamic. In many respects, the same Class 4 softswitch deployed in Delhi to manage ILD traffic can be used to manage NLD services-not just between Delhi and Mumbai, but also between Calcutta and Chennai. However, from a regulatory view this can only be done if the ILD carrier building the POP in Delhi has an NLD license.
Long-distance telephony: A tale of two countries
To better understand the LD market segmentation, it helps to divide countries into two segments:
1. Countries that have well-defined and stable laws governing ILD, NLD and local services; and
2. Countries that have interpretable, provisional and dynamic laws governing ILD, NLD and local services (as well as dynamic competitive landscapes).
According to Newton's Telecom Dictionary (17th Edition), long distance is defined as: "Any telephone call to a location outside the local calling area. Also called a toll call or a trunk call." In all cases, LD calls are trunk calls, while toll calls may be local or LD calls. In addition, "local calling areas" are defined differently in different countries.
ILD is easily defined as calls that terminate outside the country from which the call originated. Likewise, local services are defined, at least partially, as calls that are originated directly by (or terminated directly to) a residential, business or public phone end customer.
It is the call "legs" in the middle that are hard to define. Generally speaking, this requires geographic demarcations, such as "circles" in India, or local access and transport areas (LATAs) in the United States. India is divided into 21 circles. The United States is divided into 196 LATAs that, in turn, are subdivided into area codes.
Thus, one can speak precisely in terms of intra-circle vs. inter-circle calling in India, and of intra-LATA vs. inter-LATA in the United States. In India, NLD is one and the same as inter-circle calling.
India as Type 1 example
India is an example of Type 1, a country that has distinct laws and licenses for ILD and NLD. India has started the process of privatizing VSNL, the state owned ILD monopoly, and opened ILD to competition on April 1, 2002.
Leaving the state-owned NLD monopoly (BSNL) intact, India opened NLD to competition two years ago. (In return, also in 2000, BSNL was permitted to provide local service in all areas except Mumbai and Delhi.) Inter-circle calling legs are the exact domain and limits of NLD.
In 1994, India opened local services (called basic services and delivered by basic service operators, or BSOs) to competition, allowing one licensed competitive BSO per "circle" in addition to the government-owned incumbent. In January 2001, India opened basic service to unfettered competition in all 21 circles. Intra-circle calling legs belong to the domain of basic services.
United States as Type 2 example (Quick history lesson on how everything got messed up in the first place)
The United States has interpretable, provisional and dynamic laws with respect to inter-LATA, intra-LATA and local services. Moreover, the United States does not have an overarching policy on NLD. In the United States, specific companies are allowed (or forbidden) to participate in inter-LATA, or intra-LATA or both, in addition to being allowed to participate in ILD, or local or both. Laws governing inter-LATA vs. intra-LATA have been interpreted and tested ever since the AT&T divestiture in 1984 and with renewed intensity since the issues were re-opened under the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
Before 1984, AT&T had a near monopoly on telephone service. AT&T, with its 22 Bell operating companies, sold local, interstate long-distance and international long-distance services. Under divestiture, AT&T was expressly prohibited from offering intra-LATA ("local" long-distance) calls. Although rules varied by state, AT&T's competitors (such as MCI and Sprint) have always been allowed to offer intra-LATA calls. RBOCs were expressly prohibited from offering inter-LATA services. ( We called them Baby Bells rememberJ)
The courts assigned nearly all of the Class 4 switches in the United States (in those days, mostly AT&T's 4ESSs) to AT&T and the Class 5 switches (mostly 5ESSs)--including the tandem switches that immediately tied the 5ESSs together--to the seven newly formed RBOCs. While AT&T needed to retain the 4ESSs for ILD and inter-LATA long-distance services, it also fought to keep the 4ESSs because they were key to AT&T's lucrative business services, such as software-defined networks, known today as voice virtual private networks. In these services, the 4ESSs connected directly to small private branch switches called PBXs (sold at the time by AT&T) belonging to the business customers themselves. In other words, at least in business services, the 4ESS Class 4 switches enabled AT&T to preserve the full range of distance-from international calls to calls around the block. Moreover, this is a classic example of how Class 4 switch features, carriers' business models and telecom reforms often play hand-in-hand.
In order to provide intra-LATA services, the RBOCs and independent local exchange carriers (LECs) deployed new Class 4 LATA-tandem switches, sometimes referred to as access tandem switches. This is when the LECs invented the marketing term "local long distance" for their intra-LATA services (a market in which they competed with non-AT&T IXCs), to distinguish them from the inter-LATA services that they were forbidden to provide.
One result of divestiture was a "resegmentation" in the Class 4 switch market, spurring a significant increase in Class 4 switch sales. As the switch requirements changed, competition took hold, and new vendors like Summa Four (acquired in the early 1990s by Cisco) and Excel (acquired in the late 1990s by Lucent) began to capture market share.
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 allows IXCs to offer intra-LATA as well as local services. In return, the incumbent local exchange carriers (ILECs), most of them originally part of AT&T, were permitted to offer inter-LATA services provided they comply with a checklist of requirements.
Segmentation of markets and product requirements for Class 4 softswitches
Why would anyone want to sort through all of this? The answer is simple: The segmentation of requirements for Class 4 switches--the switching systems used for ILD, NLD (in India, inter-circle), inter-LATA, intra-circle and intra-LATA--must be understood within the context of the segmentation of long-distance markets.
In order to segment a market, one needs to understand the customers (carriers)--who they are, what drives them and how your product can address the challenges they face. In the U.S. market, the NLD customer is a moving target. Actually, the targets are not only moving, they are wrestling with each other! This is hardly surprising given the magnitude of the LD and local markets (each roughly U.S.$100 billion per year) up for grabs.

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Jdog...

great thoughts there...

using your car example, I would sell it to my neighbor if I didn't want to have to worry about maintenance, fuel, etc.. all I wanted to do is drive.

Is it possible that NTELX is wanting to focus on developing and maintaining the customers, not the infrastructure? That is what I am deducting here!

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quote:
Originally posted by FatherOfTwo:
Is it possible that NTELX is wanting to focus on developing and maintaining the customers, not the infrastructure? That is what I am deducting here!

I'm sure it is possible. I don't think we have all the pieces to the puzzle yet though. Maybe that is why Doug was hesitant to say anything. There is more to come and when it does I think this will all start making sense.

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What the above means to me is that ICMH:
1. made a very good purchase of equiptment that is not easily acquired.

2. Since a (suspected) switch of this type can do more (more versitile) than a class 5 switch, we would be aligned to really do some serious traffic and even (if allowed in the partnership) to lease out some bandwidth for profit.

3. ICMH needs a professional to script their PR's. There are crucial questions that are not being addressed and should/could easily be rectified.
(example: type and capacity of switch)

Good news: I read that the New York based switches are more robust than others. Idon't know how why or how true this statement is. I will continue to dig.

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Corndo...

Do you also know about the bandwidth types that doug mentioned... couple of T1's, then upgrade to a D53, then a full 48?????? I don't know what exactly these mean beyond the T1.

Maybe they could also help to identify the type of switch based on bandwidth capacity!?!

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quote:
Originally posted by FatherOfTwo:
Corndo...

Do you also know about the bandwidth types that doug mentioned... couple of T1's, then upgrade to a D53, then a full 48?????? I don't know what exactly these mean beyond the T1.

Maybe they could also help to identify the type of switch based on bandwidth capacity!?!

Your D53 should say DS3 and that is a Digital Signal line capable of 45MB. The 48 should say OC48. An OC48 is a tier 1 pipe capable of 2.45GB
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Thanks ToppDogg. I was looking for an interface that would show the configuration I think Doug was refering to:

http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/prodpdfs/products/summit24.asp

I think this is the eventual target: maximum versatility for content. (be it voice, video or what have you) Check out the speed (10.1 million packets per second) Bandwidth indeed!!

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Thanks ToppDogg. I was looking for an interface that would show the configuration I think Doug was refering to:

http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/prodpdfs/products/summit24.asp

I think this is the eventual target: maximum versatility for content. (be it voice, video or what have you) Check out the speed (10.1 million packets per second) Bandwidth indeed!!

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As far as the type of switch, I'm still digging. I don't know if you can determine the type by looking at the capacity of the bandwidth. The reason why is that the switch itself is not the "limiting reagent" (sorry, I'm a chemist). I think both classes of switches can handle whatever, but it's the infrastructure that has to built with it/ around it that matters. (very $$$) That's why Doug said "eventually".

Which is (perhaps) one reason that a company would sell it's car and then lease it back. The up keep is too $$$ handle by yourself. OR rather, you could do it, but why not share the risk/expense. (Major movie studios do it all the time nowadays. At the Sundance Festival, Miramax may partner w/Universal to take a risk on a film they believe in. Everyone shares risk and profit.)

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Just for the record. I'm still in ICMH. Still holding all 9 Million shares. I feel bad about today but I am still very confident in this company. Thanks for all the latest info FOT. Hey Corndo, sorry Doug was such an ass. Don't worry, I've had similar experiences when calling him. Some people are just rude sometimes. I know everyone is sick of waiting, but hang in there. Good things should come. Thanks for all the latest DD.
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corndo.. thanks for the speed/bandwidth education.

One more question to think about.....

how much bandwidth does 100million minutes per month of VoIP calls take?

1 month = 31 days * 24 hours * 60 minutes = 44640 minutes total....

Therefore, assuming that the minute usage is distributed fairly even throughout the month (versus peak usage during certain times), then you have 100 million total minutes of phone usage / 44640 minutes total in a month = 2240 concurrent VoIP phone calls for the entire month...

So, How much bandwidth does each VoIP phone call require, and can this switch handle it?

i.e. if ICMH installs a DS3 line capable of 2.54 GB, then that number divided by 2240 = 1.1 Mb....

So, if each VoIP session requires less than 1.1 Mb bandwidth, this switch can handle 100Million minutes of VoIP converstaion per month with the DS3 line!?!

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In summary of all the above, you are basically saying, HOLD this stock, no?
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quote:
Originally posted by FatherOfTwo:
corndo.. thanks for the speed/bandwidth education.

One more question to think about.....

how much bandwidth does 100million minutes per month of VoIP calls take?

1 month = 31 days * 24 hours * 60 minutes = 44640 minutes total....

Therefore, assuming that the minute usage is distributed fairly even throughout the month (versus peak usage during certain times), then you have 100 million total minutes of phone usage / 44640 minutes total in a month = 2240 concurrent VoIP phone calls for the entire month...

So, How much bandwidth does each VoIP phone call require, and can this switch handle it?

i.e. if ICMH installs a DS3 line capable of 2.54 GB, then that number divided by 2240 = 1.1 Mb....

So, if each VoIP session requires less than 1.1 Mb bandwidth, this switch can handle 100Million minutes of VoIP converstaion per month with the DS3 line!?!

You have to perform a traffic report for the switch. There is a conversion measured in "CCS" which will tell you the needed capacity.
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My buy still holding for .0012 hopefully I get filled. Next week back to .002 or higher.

Good luck to all.

For those that bought yesterday morning, I cam so close of putting my buy before market opened yesateday for what ever it opened at. Thank goodness I was called to a meeting, but it did not surprised me that it dropped. How many times have we seen that, where a stocks puts good news and the price drops. It's not us, it's the MM',s trying to cause a panic so they can get more shares. We need to learn and go with what they do (mm') run this show not us. All the DD here is great and it seem to be a good company, we have to learn.

Stoolix posted : huge plunge in the a.m. came on less than 10,000$.


He is right, that's MM's letting it drop not us selling.

So buy today early in the morning at .0012, after 10:15 we are going to see a steady climb up!!

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same for my other stock.. mm's will drop it today to .0018 then let it run next week. Example a buy for 500K shares at .0027 then it drops to .0026 on a sell of 10K shares. I know next week it will run to .0037 at least before it drops again.

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com'on guys, it not that bad, we can say good morning and wish each other a nice weekend..
good mornign ICMHer's

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I'm with ya Shnaker! Good morning and GLTA!!! [Smile]
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