care to point out which messages on the blog are false?
and
do us a favor please:
show us one lawsuit filed in this country where an anonymous alias from a message board claimed he was libeled...just one case...you can't, because there aren't any....anonymous aliases, by definition cannot be libeled...
quote:Originally posted by Stock Jockey: Forget it Tex, Not likely you will get an answer.
Great Job Bearclaw!!!! worm must really like you alot he is quoting you on his website. I see he doesn't like to answer the questions but loves to ask them.
Hey wormy... If you don't like being called names why do you post even worse on your own blog?????
Quote from the worm: "The Truly Despicable Mr. Pumpy the Paid Promoter"
Just keep posting your crap on your blog and I'm sure someone will eventually take a large chunk out of your azzzz for liable, slander and stock manipulation. All pages on your blog have been recorded for future use.
This is one worm I wouldn't even feed to carp. Bawahahahahahahaha
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Funny, I agree there is a lot name calling and BS as you call it, but I think it is important that everyone see it. Again, it speaks for itself, and shows reasonable people the character of fellow poster(s), and how they behave under stress, or when they fear the worse.
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: I think I'll just put this one on my "don't bother" list. Too much emotion here to have a valuable conversation.
Threatening legal action?? And responding in kind??? Come on people, life's too good for this much BS on a Saturday.
The Bigfoot
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"All pages on your blog have been recorded for future use."
yes I agree, I know of several "authorities" that record the information in the blog for future use...
quote:Originally posted by Stock Jockey: Forget it Tex, Not likely you will get an answer.
Great Job Bearclaw!!!! worm must really like you alot he is quoting you on his website. I see he doesn't like to answer the questions but loves to ask them.
Hey wormy... If you don't like being called names why do you post even worse on your own blog?????
Quote from the worm: "The Truly Despicable Mr. Pumpy the Paid Promoter"
Just keep posting your crap on your blog and I'm sure someone will eventually take a large chunk out of your azzzz for liable, slander and stock manipulation. All pages on your blog have been recorded for future use.
This is one worm I wouldn't even feed to carp. Bawahahahahahahaha
I have all the pages here...that's really all I needed...thanks for looking over on his Website...but I could care less what he posts over there...It is interesting reading for folks who aren't aware of web sites like his...
He's just scrambling now because he said way too much...He's getting scared so he's really on the offensive...Interesting from a guy who attempts to look like he's got his sheet together to make such a huge mistake today...
Should get interesting as things fall out...He was close to telling exactly what he was doing...maybe someone told him to shut up...damn he was close...but pages 97-99 on this blog make his intent and activities clear enough to know there is involvement...and that involvement may effect PLNI...so...how deep that involvement and how it effects PLNI is anyone's guess...we did get a view of the possibilities...See you Monday...Good luck trading...
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there is only one thing people need to know about PLNI: . . . . . . . . . . 3.7 billion shares outstanding, up from 2.3 billion two months ago....
nothing else
so...Bearclaw...why is it that you refuse to discuss PLNI?
After all, isn't this message board intended for discussion of the pros and cons of PLNI?
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: Stock Jockey...
I have all the pages here...that's really all I needed...thanks for looking over on his Website...but I could care less what he posts over there...It is interesting reading for folks who aren't aware of web sites like his...
He's just scrambling now because he said way too much...He's getting scared so he's really on the offensive...Interesting from a guy who attempts to look like he's got his sheet together to make such a huge mistake today...
Should get interesting as things fall out...He was close to telling exactly what he was doing...maybe someone told him to shut up...damn he was close...but pages 97-99 on this blog make his intent and activities clear enough to know there is involvement...and that involvement may effect PLNI...so...how deep that involvement and how it effects PLNI is anyone's guess...we did get a view of the possibilities...See you Monday...Good luck trading...
was that site any way/shape/form privvy to advance knowledge?
tia,
-tex
quote:Originally posted by theW: BuyTex
sorry for the delay...
I know that StockHunter is not Jeff Mitchell because I have communicated with Jeff Mitchell during the last few years...he moderates a message board on Silicon Investor that discusses SLAAPs, and is considered one of the experts in the field....
I don't know StockHunter other than his posted messages, but they are not the same perosn...
If you have any other questions or if I missed any, please let me know...
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quote:Originally posted by theW: Bearclaw
ha! you are one funny guy
I sure didn't screw up...
StockHunter is not Jeff Mitchell
Jeff Mitchell has been involved in exposing frauds way before I ever posted on message boards...
Regarding training StockHunter, his posts come from the heart, with pure honesty, which certainly cannot be trained.... unlike the two-faced greedy person like you, that runs to his mommy whenever asked a question by me:
I am not trying to bait you into something else...I am asking you to have a discussion about PLNI, which is what this message board is all about...and you continue to refuse...
I am not trying to get any pages deleted because I stand by everyone of my posted messages on any board for the last five years...unlike yourself...
Regarding why I came to post on this message board: I came to see what kind of pu.....y you are...and it has been verified by your answers...
Regarding getting an attorney, I don't use attorneys...I represent myself..in each of the six lawsuits that I have been added as a defendant by the fraudulant companies that sued me...let me show you what happened to the people involved with the first company that sued me in 2000 for just asking questions about the financial statements of that company:
1. One Director was convicted of fraud in the UK and got a 5 year sentence.
2. A second Director received a "Wells Letter" from the SEC informing him that he is going to be charged with certain violations of SEC regulations.
3. The promoter, equivalent to what the Green Baron does with PLNI, was convicted of fraud and is now serving a long jail sentence.
4. One of the offshore investors was indicted for fraud and is in "hiding".
5. The stock price has lost 99.999% of its value and is now in the pink sheets.
6. The President was fired.
etc etc etc
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: Damn your funny...
What? You trying to bail out your boys...Worm..??? Not their fault...guess who's?
Your the one who screwed up... You never should have come here... I know your the guy who essentially trained Jeff aka Stockhunter...so I know your as good with words or better...Nice try...but quit trying to bait me into something else...deflect from your screw up...I bet you've been trying to get these 2-3 pages deleted...thought you might be a brighter guy...Oh well...
I'm done for tonight...let folks read all the posts of today and all the things that were said...
They will all be wondering why the Great and Powerful Worm came to our little site...and...it will be very clear to them that your group is planning something...Led by you...
Please understand all of this communication is going elswhere...Where do you think I might send it?
Might be a good time to lawyer up Roberto...You screwed with the wrong persons investment...It wasn't Jeff Mitchells fault aka. Stockhunter so don't blame him...I would have left today if you didn't show your face...I was wondering why the Worm would bother with me...Made me think something is very wrong...guess what...something is very wrong...
The mistake you made was opening your big mouth...thinking you were dealing with small timers who the "Worm" can chew up and spit out...Allstocks is full of very bright folks who are new to investing...
Big mistake Adolfe...ooops..Roberto...
Oh...don't bother telling me where to point the authorities...already have that information...
Good night and good luck...
quote:Originally posted by theW: Bearclaw
let me see if I can understand this:
You are finally admitting that you have done very little due diligence on PLNI.
yet you have continuously attacked any poster that attempted to post factual due diligence on PLNI that was negative....
and
you have admitted ot actively selling PLNI shares in the process of swing trading...
so, please tell us why should anyone ever believe what you post?
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: Ya know Worm...
I'm basically a lazy person and hate doing DD...that's why I swingtrade...What a pain calling folks on the phone, tracking documents, looking on all kinds of websites for trickles of information...Now some people love to do that and God bless them...I know they enjoy it but just not my cup of tea...but...
When something as blatent as this potential attack on PLNI slaps me in the face I just can't help tracking it down...
Yepper...gonna be a fun week seeing what all happens...I hope this stays a great swing trade...but as the famous philosopher... The Shadow says... "What evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows" or is it the Worm Knows....give my best to your buddy Jeff aka Stockhunter and his Guy Friday State...
See ya later Roberto...
w, will you answer my questions?
thanks,
-- tex
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A request: Please truncate quotes from posts. That last one above is like four screens worth I have to scroll past before learning if there's anything new to read.
quote:Originally posted by state780: A request: Please truncate quotes from posts. That last one above is like four screens worth I have to scroll past before learning if there's anything new to read.
Thank you.
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by the way, the 3.7 billion share outstanding figure was reported directly to a certain government agency that has been "reviewing" PLNI, its officers and promoters for some time now, along with the public statements by PLNI that they were actually in a buyback program....
pinksheets.com has had a tough time getting the figures from PLNI and has to threaten to delete the Level II information on PLNI, in order to get PLNI to comply with releasing the updated figures...
I did not start a blog on PLNI - the blog also discusses other companies such as ATVE...and will discuss more companies in the future, with both positive and negative comments
I post on this thread because: I can.
quote:Originally posted by successinstock: W:
what government agency do you belong to?
why did you start a blog on PLNI?
what is your purpose for posting on this thread for over 12 hours?
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Success... Here is the post that got the Worm here...I was honored the Great and Powerful One made his first post on Allstocks to bait me away from the pertinant issues...then he got caught in a corner as you will see...
Notice the reference to shutting PLNI down...It starts on page #97 of this thread...You'll also notice as you read all the posts that the Worm came here right after Stockhunter posted...
It also gets obvious who Stockhunter is and the role he has played in the past several months...A talented Level 4 basher...connected directly to the Worm and his organized efforts against PLNI...Stockhunter is all over the Worms website...
Remember Stockhunter calling for everyone to report PLNI to the SEC? T^hat was timed exactly when the Worm was doing the same...huge sales pitch...Well Fridays retrace and buying interest after it fell like a rock brought out the same folks who e-mailed, faxed and called the SEC in an organized effort to effect the PPS of PLNI...It looks like it's possible that attack may have originated the Worms website...A call to arms so to speak by the Great and Powerful Wizard of Pennyland...Folks are putting that time frame together now...
I'm trying to figure what they are up to now...I think, since the share numbers let the cat out of the bag...there may be a fear that PLNI will adress that issue soon and the PPS may not tank...maybe this will bring another barrage of complaints promoted by the Worm on his site and Stockhunter here...I'm not sure...just speculating based on the Worms appearance and yesterdays posts...
Read from page "97 and it may help you see what may occur...I know the last attack was brutal...organized...coordinated and reaks of collision...You'll also see they had prior knowledge of the share numbers possibly as far back as Christmas time...Read the posts carefully...Wonder where they got all this information??? Heck, it only became public last week...Imagine what you could do if you knew the new share numbers weeks ahead of time?
I have a lot of family around today and then the Super Bowl... so... will try to check in this afternoon if I find time...We'll see what develops next week so careful trading buddy...
quote:Originally posted by StockHunter: The stocks that do have NSS problems become targets because they are sick or fraudulent companies for the most part. I pointed out some time ago that PLNI not being on the Reg Sho list should refocus people's attention on the company as the source of the dilution. The cycle of faith, hope and trust will begin again starting now. As new people buy in or oldtimers add to positions the fancifully optimistic theories will reemerge. NSS is one of the tried and true staples of the dilutional. The lack of PRs will probably be spun with optimistic assumptions as well.
The best we can do is forward a logical analysis and interpretation of facts, events, and history. Otherwise the company gets a free ride to repeat the cycle of dishonest behaviour.
A note of caution regarding swing trading this stock. The level of discontent and feedback to the regulatory authorities is very high, even for a pink. Given the degree and magnitude of deceptive behavior from this company, there is a real risk that on any give day the SEC could order a 10 day trading halt. Where it would open after that is anybody's guess. It would only be good if the full airing of the facts produces a positive outlook. That is far from certain. So anyone buying for a swing needs to ask whether they could afford to be without those funds for a couple weeks.
"People have their hard earned cash invested in this, they want to believe the best, they don't want to feel foolish or duped, they will believe the most ridiculous senarios to save face or just not feel like they have poor judgement."
I am sure anyone really interested in buying PLNI will go back to late October, early November time frame on this thread. All the facts needed are there for them to read. That's the great thing about keeping a thread intact, it's a history that people can look back on and judge the quality of posts and the character of the poster.
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The issues are clear...they start on page #97...folks can make up their own minds...The pertinant issues have already been dealt with...Now we all wait...
The big fish are playing now...you sure you want to jump in? Think carefully...why do you think no one's pulled you in.??? No one gives a sheet about your involvement yet...
I don't remember you saying anything in the grey area or crossing the line...Best that you back off now...
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Everyone, on both sides of the issue should stick with the facts about the company and the stock. Veiled threats of culpability in some type of bizarre scheme should not stifle anyone from offering facts, or even well thought out rational opinions based on the preponderance of evidence.
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Will... Start with these facts posted yesterday...these two posts brought the Worm here for the first time...Why? Why was he baiting me to get off this subject?
If your really interested in possibilities... look into Naked Shorting...Hedge Funds...research the 60 Minutes reort on the distruction of start up companies in pennies...Visit some of these Bulls and Bears Groups set up on blogs across the internet...
Start to put together a larger picture and then decide if and how to trade PLNI...How will this affect PLNI and the PPS? Come on Will your a bright guy...Read these posts and put it together...
Posted by Stockhunter: "A note of caution regarding swing trading this stock. The level of discontent and feedback to the regulatory authorities is very high, even for a pink. Given the degree and magnitude of deceptive behavior from this company, there is a real risk that on any give day the SEC could order a 10 day trading halt. Where it would open after that is anybody's guess. It would only be good if the full airing of the facts produces a positive outlook. That is far from certain. So anyone buying for a swing needs to ask whether they could afford to be without those funds for a couple weeks."
Posted in reply by Bearclaw:
"Just wondering....How do you know the level of feedback to the SEC is very high even for pinks? Where are you getting this information? Is it the same place where the information of the share count came before it was public? How do you know a trading shut down is imminent? Makes me wonder what's really going on..."
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More facts...No one asked this guy about these two people or the US Attorney Generals Office...What the hecks going on concerning this stock will?
Posted by the Worm: "Is the SEC currently investigating Turek, PLNI, jmhollen and rrm for their activities?...no comment. Has the SEC brought in the US Attorney's Office to join in the investigation for criminal activities?...no comment."
Posted by Bearclaw in reply:
"Worm"
Wonder why you and Stockhunter would imply the SEC temporary shut down of trading?
Wonder why you would imply SEC investigating Turek?
Wonder why you would mention other traders?
Wonder why you would imply the Attorney Generals Office?
When they investigate criminal activities are you and the group you lead also included?
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Will... Here's some more facts...Can't believe this Worm character put this in writing...but just wondering...
Who is the transfer agent who put this information out before it became public?
How does the Worm know and what does he know?
How has this affected the PPS and how could significant information being relased through a agent before released to the public affect the PPS and trading on PLNI?
Think of the types of information, if released early to a certain group, would damage PLNI and the normal trading of this stock?
Posted by the Worm:
theW Member
Rate Member posted February 04, 2006 06:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry Bearclaw
but I didn't put out any "rumor".
several weeks ago it was pointed out that the transfer agent mentioned that the shares outstanding were 3.7 billion.
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The only facts I see there is the fact that those comments were posted. As far as I can see the statements are speculation and/or possibilities. As far as any of it being cold hard facts, I don't see it.
I don't really care what happens to PLNI, or who is right and who is wrong. I just want people, especially new people to see the history and development of this arguement, so they can use it in their descion making process for future investments. I want them to see the desparation of both pro and con posters. I want them to remember it, to recognize the escalation of positions, so when they read hype, or doom, they know and understand it just might be that, and only that, hype and/or doom, and it means little in the end. The REAL KNOWN facts are what is important, not the desparate wild spinning of the facts for the convenience to support someone's arguement.
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Nice smoke screen state. Bearclaw, Suceess, Tex and others have a Very Valid questions in all this mess.
The True question has NOT been answered here: How did jeffrey mitchell, the worm, scionist, stockhunter and you get insider information about the share structure when it was not published ANYWHERE, not even with the SEC????
Judy from plasticon did not release it to ANYONE, so that's a down right falsehood. The Transfer Agent was also not giving this info out to ANYONE so there is falsehood #2. The Pink Sheets did not have the numbers untill 01/31/2006. No one that I have called associated with the company gave these numbers out to anyone!
Soooo how did these numbers get leaked out to the bashers and naked shorters???? This is pure and simple INSIDER Information that these people admit having prior to the actual Publishing nearly 2 months in advance to use to trade this stock!!!! There is a mole somewhere!!! They traded and Shorted this stock with INSIDER INFO folks and that is Illegal and will bring Prison time for these people doing this.
I agree, there should be an SEC investigation and it should start with and be be against these people who have recieved insider information about the share structure starting with jeffrey mitchell and the worm!!!
Keep at them Folks. There is a huge backpeddling coverup going on by these people and the trail of money will end up with a shorting hedgefund and market maker(s) somewhere IMO.
I think I smell what the Rock is Cookin and it smells like worm soup!
To: scionist who wrote (2282) 2/3/2006 1:32:35 AM From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell Read Replies (2) of 2484
You and I and Worm all knew back in early January the o/s has increased from 2.3B to 3.7B. We urged people to call the company because, well, we're just Basholes so we just make stuff up, right? Yes, I *do* give credit to those that did call. I hope they are now asking themselves the very real questions "Was I lied to?" and "Was I played?". I mean, if "we" knew the numbers, can anyone say with a straight face "they" didn't know them?
- Jeff
To: rrm_bcnu who wrote (1731) 1/10/2006 2:20:30 PM From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell Read Replies (3) of 2484
Rick, if the o/s was increased from 2.5B to 3.7B -- a whopping 50% -- in just one month, what would that imply to you? Yes, of course you may call PLNI to get the "real" o/s before you reply. Ask for Judy.
You have to ask the question based on this post...If the implication of shutting down trading by Stockhunter and the Worm is true...Does his statement below concerning PLNI being "closed down" offer any sign of the Worms intent...given he is already getting information prior to the public? My reply was directly to Stockhunter...At this point it was a three way by the Worm, Stockhunter and some by State to get off these issues...but...the mistake had already been made...Also notice the questions were never answered but they let the cat out of the bag already... How do you think this will affect the PPS and our investment???
Posted by the Worm: Bearclaw
since when is a "potential" attack on a company considered "blatent"?
the only thing that you are going to see next week is a massive selling of shares into the market by investors that have opened their eyes to the 3.7 billion shares outstanding,without the buying support that was exhibited on Friday.
You are also going to see PLNI issue the balance of the 1.3 billion shares that are left in the 5.0 billion authorized shares before PLNI is closed down.
Posted in reply by Bearclaw to Stockhunter:
This is your coming out party...I had been told you were connected with the Worm but didn't know who or what he was...I really didn't give two sheets until it effected my investment...I began to find out a few weeks ago...Your cover's blown here...The Worm told us you were Jeff Mitchell from his site...
I still want to know...
How you knew the new share count before it was public...long before?
Why you are supporting a SEC shut down of trading PLNI for 10 days..
What is it that is going to happen concerning PLNI?
What insider information do you have and from who?
It's obvious that first State posted today, then you came in with your slip about shutting down PLNI trading for 10 days and a few other intersting items...so...then the Big Boss the "Worm" came here to bait me...The timing is not a coincidence...so...why not get real with folks about who you are and what your goals with this stock are...You don't own any shares ...so what's the deal?
I must admit you are one of the best Level 4 bashers I've seen...if not the best...I've been around for four years and folks really trusted you here...and you write so very well...no doubt your an extremely bright guy...So what was your motive? Have you been doing this long?
You owe it to some folks here who have supported you to at least send them a PM and let them know what's happening...If they should sell then tell them...if they should buy then tell them...If you are involved in a group trying to shut PLNI down then tell them...Many folks here have backed you 100%...pay them back for that...
For everyone who owns shares...Do some DD and find out from folks about the Worms Website...I don't know much about him other than what you've read today...sorry...and good luck... Posted by the Worm:
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I have handed it off to some other folks...This is getting into an area that I usually don't pay attention to...
My concern is how will PLNI trade and can I still Swingtrade it...The other issues will be resolved by other folks...I'm getting bored with the Worm anyway...
You have to admit...The Worm coming to this thread gave me cause to continue prodding him...The mistake they made certainly gave me cause to follow up...afterall I've been in PLNI swingtrading since the spring...I figure I earned the right to find out if underhanded activities are happening and if they are then who are the folks doing it...
Anyway...Good luck in your investing...
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