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Obviously you did not take my hint, so lets cut to the chase. The price has now begun to climb, you are now recovering slowly the so called money Frank stole from you as you put it, so grow up and stuff a sock in it. If you want us to treat you like a basher then just say the word an I am sure there will be a line up to tear a strip off you aand as you know we will all enjoy it.

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What we have now with TW is less than what we have with RCN. That explains why no PPS change in my eyes.
But you're missing the point. There was a PPS change, and it was downward to a new 52-day low. I realize that this deal isn't the holy grail of carrier deals, but it's the start of something that was supposed to start over two years ago. To me, it should be enough that more would be buying than selling. I think that the lower PPS is almost conclusive evidence that Frank has been selling into his PRs.

I respect your position though, and hope the Maine deal turns into something more.

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I never stated that U4 was a paid basher in that statement that you are accusing me of. I stated that he is trying to get the price as low as he can to load up on and that i could prove that.
Sorry if I misstated your position. I don't really see U4 as anything but a nuance, though. I really do not see him buying into a low PPS. I do see him as someone that got burned, and he feels vindicated by posting flamboyant accusations that are not backed up with anything but CAPITAL LETTERS. I don't think he's bashing for financial gain though, just for a personal vendetta.

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I dont care if you hold one share or not. you have lost my respect for you.
I continue to respect you and your statements. The fact that you don't like me talking ill of Frank does not phase me, and I'm not going to suddenly stop talking ill of Frank just because as an investor I'm supposed to buy in and "feel good" about my investment. I do feel good, but not because of Frank, instead I feel good because Q Television will go places after he steps down or passes on.

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But I still do not know WHY you've spent all this time telling us what you think. I respect your right to do so, but help me understand WHY.
Because I'd like to see some more educated investors. I see a lot of day traders thinking of jumping in this stock unaware of the risks involved. Also, I think Richard Brown reads these forums and is questioning himself if Frank isn't using an MM on the Berlin Exchange to dilute shares every time a PR is released.

I want to see if Frank has the galls to actually state in an Investor Relations piece or PR that he is not diluting, because if he doesn't, then we cannot be certain he is not.

For more into the "why" of it, I'll tell you this: I'm extremely familiar with how the SEC operates. I can't tell you the number of times that I've seen a pink sheet stock claim MM and forum poster manipulation and seen it actually end up being the CEO diluting all to hell. One such instance is CMKX, which I owned no shares in.

The SEC doesn't generally go after companies in the Pink Sheets for fraud, simply because investors are supposed to be aware of the fact that they can take your money and walk away with it. Even the dumbest CEO knows this, which is why their number one priority should be getting off the pink sheets. The OTCBB used to be as bad as the Pink Sheets, but now, I'm thinking that the OTCBB at least has some semblance of a respectable exchange.

Every PR Frank releases should be about new carriers or related to moving to a new exchange. When he releases a PR saying he's looking into investigating why the PPS is so low, what he's actually telling me is that he has no intention of getting off the Pink Sheets.

That's sad, people. This stock absolutely will not trade over ten cents on the Pink Sheets. I want my investment to be worth more than that, which means that this money on investigating the low PPS is just further assurance that we will be on the Pinks for another year.

Frank has no intention to move, and that bothers me. And that's why I'm posting. I want to inspire the rest of you to get him off his lazy butt and get us to a new exchange. I want to see everyone up in arms when he releases a PR that says he's wasting money on a new project that will not be getting us off the Pinks.

Instead of fighting me as some incompetent basher, you should be applauding my efforts to bring some accountability to the QBID realm. Without myself, someone who owns shares telling the CEO what he should be doing, Frank would be getting away with this. I make his dilution schemes difficult, and I'm sure it's gotta be upsetting him.

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With this new news now out, maybe Q’s plan have actually sped up a bit as I think to be noticed by the banking sector came prematurely. That being said, it also puts pressure on Frank to get the audit completed as accurately and quickly as possible.
Agreed, we have to get off the Pinks in order for institutional investors to look at QBID. Right now, none of them can. Institutional Investors do not invest in pink sheet stocks. The ones that are worth anything they just buy out completely and then fire the CEO. Or do a reverse-merger. I don't see that happening with QBID, so it's time to get off the Pinks.

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Saying all that, I believe I asked you for proof of Frank’s dilution. I want credible proof and not conspiracy theory. If you can not give me more than just a theory then I am afraid my friend that you have been sucked in by the bashers and have not learned anything from your mistakes.
Two days after the announcement that Q Television was being carried in Maine we hit .0013, a new 52-week low. What more proof do you need?

Here's one on for size: Frank has never said he is not diluting. He's said no reverse-split, but he never said, no diluting. When the A/S rose from 15 billion to 50 billion, a ton of people left the stock. And for good reason, it means that the O/S went from what was probably 14 billion to about 20 billion in shares in the course of a month.

Now that Frank has eliminated his %53 of the O/S, that means he can dilute that as well. And we have no recourse. I'm calling the Secretary of State in Washington's office tonight to find out if the A/S are still 50 billion or if they've increased. If they've increased, you can be assured I'll leave and won't be commenting anymore. But I'll let you know before I go.

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Now I am sure you might come back with a shot at me that you learned Frank is a dirt bag or something like that.
You'll notice that I preface my insults to Frank with very clear reasons why I'm upset. I wouldn't be upset just for no reason at all. I have never spoken with Frank. I have also never gotten a reply from any emails (sent over a dozen) sent to either Richard or Frank.

Also, a nice little bit of trivia for you all. You'll notice Doctoall is no longer here and no longer posts. He was our one contact for Richard Brown. My suspicion is that Richard told Doctoall to get out of QBID, or Doc learned something that he couldn't warn or tell us about.

On a different topic:
Glad to see Q is doing well today, but as I told you before, it was bound to based on technicals. I doubt we'll get to .0023 again, though. And if Frank stops diluting, then we might see it finally rise for more than two days in a row for once. Maybe.



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If that's it that was anti-climatic.

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Don't forget to send your letter to Echostar/DISH Network. 20 letters a day gets Q some play :)

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Thanks Spanky!

Ok that doesnt explain this enough... something else may be known.

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hmm...

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quote:
Originally posted by polo1110:
If that's it that was anti-climatic.

hahah no kidding polo...that brought me back down to earth

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why would anyone pay $99 to re-read the pr? This doesn't make sense.

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Oh well, something still is up obviously. We shall know soon enough.

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thanks for the work on getting this report SpankyPS you rock!!
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Kinda lame -- but it's still ticking up. Might be coming from anywhere. Charts are hot now, so it's a matter of keeping 'em
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Very anti-climatic! Oh well, that 99.95 I had in my PayPal account was burnin a hole in my pocket anyway. [Smile]
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Ok, going to lunch now and when I get back you kids need to have this thing at .003+
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We'll work on that! LOL

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Ok, going to lunch now and when I get back you kids need to have this thing at .003+


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Something else is definitely going on. We would not be up 31% with a PR or a report that states merely nothing.
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Again, I recall Franky saying the audit would be done by mid august. What'a'ya think? Could we possibly be there?

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Yes, please.

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Again, I recall Franky saying the audit would be done by mid august. What'a'ya think? Could we possibly be there?


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hmmmm, im still missing the point of the upgrade from ludlow...if that is the true report, than, there is no reason to raise the grade on a fluff PR and some fluff short term trading...

the more i think about it, the more i wanna see somebody else get a hold of that report...just to verify...

if that is, than it may be even b etter because now were at a b- without the audit being done....imagine some big news and audit....they said full letter grade when audit is completed..then wed be an A-...sooo either way, im in a good mood....good luck guys, im outta here for the day

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quote:
Originally posted by Maestro232:
Again, I recall Franky saying the audit would be done by mid august. What'a'ya think? Could we possibly be there?

Yes. That was a quote from Richard. Late July to mid August was the exact wording. I am willing to wait till late August asa ajust in case scinario.

Also I believe there is more to tat B- than was printed because Ludlow said they would not raise the rating until the audit was complete, if I am correct.

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quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
hmmmm, im still missing the point of the upgrade from ludlow...if that is the true report, than, there is no reason to raise the grade on a fluff PR and some fluff short term trading...

the more i think about it, the more i wanna see somebody else get a hold of that report...just to verify...

if that is, than it may be even b etter because now were at a b- without the audit being done....imagine some big news and audit....they said full letter grade when audit is completed..then wed be an A-...sooo either way, im in a good mood....good luck guys, im outta here for the day

I am guessing they know something that has not been publicly released yet - as in maybe audits exact date of release, maybe even numbers from that report. The Martin Short / Jason Priestly / Heidi Fleiss info is bigger than the "Honey's show has a name" story I think. Honey's joining us was a big deal and should have had impact when it happened, not when her show got named.

Just my opinion and we all know I am an illiterate imbecile so ignore everything I post please.

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Just a thought.... has anybody tried to email Richard about this? I don't think he has been bugged enough lately [Smile] Maybe someone could ask him if Frank still intends to meet the timeframe Richard disclosed earlier in regards to audit, or if there have been unforeseen delays. I'd word it that way. If you ask for an actual date, he'll blow it off. But I gurantee, Richard knows if this is going to take longer to finish or not, or if they are still on track. Also, he might have insights into the b- rating.

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quote:
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I'm open to opposing points of view, but give me something I can digest. Your conspiracy-theory posts just don't convince me. One more question: If you are wrong about your accusations, will you admit it and apologize to everyone you've trashed recently, especially Frank?

If I'm wrong, most certainly. If this isn't off the pinks before 2006, will you join me in my accusations of Frank diluting the company and keeping it on the Pinks so that he can?

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quote:
Originally posted by buckwheatbob:
Obviously you did not take my hint, so lets cut to the chase. The price has now begun to climb, you are now recovering slowly the so called money Frank stole from you as you put it, so grow up and stuff a sock in it. If you want us to treat you like a basher then just say the word an I am sure there will be a line up to tear a strip off you and as you know we will all enjoy it.

Oh boy, a one to two day jump in PPS up to the price when I bought in. Thanks but no thanks. Also, what about all the others, like Rod, for example, who have only averaged down to the .0020s and .0030s?

I have not gained any money, nor will I. And like I said, it doesn't change the fact that Frank has diluted and will continue diluting this. Ever notice how the runs aren't as big as they used to be? How each run goes up?

Tell you what:
If the PPS ends up ABOVE .0025 tommorrow (which you'd expect if this wasn't a one day run), I'll quit posting altogether and leave you alone with what might be a non-diluted stock.

If the PPS ends up BELOW .0016 tomorrow (which I expect, because our one-day runs are followed by one day mass dilutions, then you acknowledge that Frank is diluting.

If the PPS ends up BETWEEN .0016 and .0025 tommorrow (16 and 25 included), neither of us have to commit to anything.

Deal? Remember that this is a chance to see me leave forever if you, buckwheatbob, accept.

Since you all seem to think of me as a basher even though I OWN SHARES in QBID, I'm interested if anyone of you who have been around for four months or more are willing to take me up on it.

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g-invest. Your credibility is at .0001. [Cool]

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You'll notice Doctoall is no longer here and no longer posts. He was our one contact for Richard Brown. My suspicion is that Richard told Doctoall to get out of QBID, or Doc learned something that he couldn't warn or tell us about.

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Originally posted by Doctoall:
CRAP!!!! Who made up this piece of crap. I am still very much here and still in contact with Richard at IR and Wendy at Pridevision. There has not been much news to post from either of them. In addition, I have been taking some time off to spend with my grandson and still more time to visit with my nursing home patients. I still have my entire position in "Q" and still will accumulate at these prices. Long, strong, holding and yes still accumulating, now make up some stories that are true [Big Grin]


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g-invest...I have put you as a person who...
would come into a hospital room of someone who was critically ill and was upgraded to fair condition. Everyone is excited and relieved. Then you pop in the door, take one look at the revived patient and yell.."You look terrible, have the set your death date yet?"...Come on dude, let us have a half way decent happy day..FOR ONCE IN A BLUE MOON. Don't spoil it for us. Congratulate us all and wait for a "down day"..ok?

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G-invest, the day I "loath" Frank as much as you do is the day I'll sell my shares in his company.

Otherwise I'd be a hypocrite, wouldn't I?

At any rate, I certainly wouldn't hang around badmouthing him (and helping to lower the PPS of my investment), on an Internet bulletin board.

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Five stars for you! [Cool]
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g-invest...I have put you as a person who...
would come into a hospital room of someone who was critically ill and was upgraded to fair condition. Everyone is excited and relieved. Then you pop in the door, take one look at the revived patient and yell.."You look terrible, have the set your death date yet?"...Come on dude, let us have a half way decent happy day..FOR ONCE IN A BLUE MOON. Don't spoil it for us. Congratulate us all and wait for a "down day"..ok?


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quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
g-invest. Your credibility is at .0001. [Cool]

Till tomorrow.

I was wrong about Doc, it appears he's been here, just under another name, and thankfully he viewed that post after logging out and logging back in under his new name so I could confirm.

Keep in mind folks, I KNOW when you make new accounts. None of you can log out and log back in without me knowing about it and all your other accounts. [Wink]

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Come on dude, let us have a half way decent happy day..FOR ONCE IN A BLUE MOON.
I'm sorry. Enjoy your day. Hell, I'm enjoying it too. Then tomorrow, when this hits .0015 on Frank's dilution, we'll talk a bit more sensibly.

I got a buy order in at .0011 to ride the next run to .0017. I figure if Frank is going to be making money off these waves, I should be too.

[ August 09, 2005, 14:48: Message edited by: g-invest ]

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Oooo. Scary, g-invest!

Keep in mind... I KNOW what you had for breakfast. Muhahahahaha!

Puh-lease!!

LOL
[Big Grin]

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Originally posted by 4Art:
g-invest. Your credibility is at .0001. [Cool]

Till tomorrow.

I was wrong about Doc, it appears he's been here, just under another name, and thankfully he viewed that post after logging out and logging back in under his new name so I could confirm.

Keep in mind folks, I KNOW when you make new accounts. None of you can log out and log back in without me knowing about it and all your other accounts. [Wink]


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For everyone who didn't see it yesterday, American Bulls has QBID as a BUY CONFIRMED. http://tinyurl.com/6drpc
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
g-invest. Your credibility is at .0001. [Cool]

Till tomorrow.

I was wrong about Doc, it appears he's been here, just under another name, and thankfully he viewed that post after logging out and logging back in under his new name so I could confirm.

Keep in mind folks, I KNOW when you make new accounts. None of you can log out and log back in without me knowing about it and all your other accounts. [Wink]

q-invest you are full of it. I have only ever had one name on here "Doctoall" and that's it. I have never left the "Q" and I have never posted anywhere else. I believe in the "Q" and I am invested in a big way and here for the long run.

Now if you want to continue with your verbal diarrhea just keep me out of your post.As I have suggested in the past, you need to take your medication on a daily basis to control your mood swings [Big Grin] And also Dellusional thinking that you know when people log in and out, geez give it a break.

GO QBID!!!!!! [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by SPANKYPS:
The number of shares outstanding in QBID still remains a mystery, and investors would have to expect extreme volatility in QBID if they wish to invest. Although Ludlow Capital still remains cautious on QBID, the reversal trend in the price performance may indicate a new upward trend to re-test previous highs for day traders looking for a liquid play. Any move above .0022 would be a ‘buy’ signal that QBID may be trying to establish a new trading range in the stock, but be cautious for shares flooding the market, as many questions still remain open in this issue.

God, I could get a job working for them they are so open-ended. The fall from .0045 to .0024 was justified because of the Oxygen lawsuit. The fall from .0024 or so to .0014 and lower has not been explained. The only reasonable and justifiable explanation is dilution. That's why everyone is cautious about the stock.

And I disagree with a move above .0022. If it moves above .0025, that could be a reversal. A move to .0022 is just a group play.

Watch, half these posters in here will be gone in a week or two and it'll be back to the regulars again: penny-trader, buckwheat, doctoall, bottomliner, kevin, DIGDOUGH, whizknock, Rich, P to D, Jennifer and of course our two resident bashers, USF11 and roadrunner. Shlik might even make an appearance or two.

I seriously hope QBID trades up again tomorrow, but I gotta be upfront when I say it looks as if dilution has been the key.

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Oooo. Scary, g-invest!
Did you know that you can link to a transparent image in a post and the user's webclient will actually directly make a connection (revealing their IP and any other specific info) to retreive that fake image? If you know enough PHP or Perl you can record that info and then do analysis on posting a viewing times to determine which users are the same people.

So you can't really see the image, because it is transparent, but you're still downloading it and sending info to the person hosting it. It's kind of like a "ghost" image. Scary indeed!

And also pretty nifty when you're trying to sniff out the daytraders. Or people posting from a "comcast cable connection", for example.

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g-invest. Your credibility is at .0001. [Cool]

Till tomorrow.

I was wrong about Doc, it appears he's been here, just under another name, and thankfully he viewed that post after logging out and logging back in under his new name so I could confirm.

Keep in mind folks, I KNOW when you make new accounts. None of you can log out and log back in without me knowing about it and all your other accounts. [Wink]

Please then inform us all as to Docs other name. While your at it why dont you give me mine too.
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For everyone who didn't see it yesterday, American Bulls has QBID as a BUY CONFIRMED. http://tinyurl.com/6drpc

Oh, and g-invest? Trading on your credibility has now been halted by the SEC. [Cool]

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q-invest you are full of it. I have only ever had one name on here "Doctoall" and that's it. I have never left the "Q" and I have never posted anywhere else. I believe in the "Q" and I am invested in a big way and here for the long run.

Now if you want to continue with your verbal diarrhea just keep me out of your post.As I have suggested in the past, you need to take your medication on a daily basis to control your mood swings [Big Grin] And also Dellusional thinking that you know when people log in and out, geez give it a break.

GO QBID!!!!!! [Big Grin]


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. . . If this isn't off the pinks before 2006, will you join me in my accusations of Frank diluting the company and keeping it on the Pinks so that he can?

g-invest
First, I want to assure you I do not consider our relationship as a winner-loser situation. I believe in QBID and in Frank's ability to make it successful. You say you have serious doubts Q will succeed and you "abhor" Frank. So we disagree. But since we both own shares in Q, we both lose if Q fails, and we both win if it succeeds. I think that makes us compadres, not enemies. We don't have to agree on every point, but do we agree that Q's success would make us both very happy? With that said, I will answer your question:

I expect QBID to be off the pinks by 2006, I also expect it to be broadcast nationally with a reasonable number of paying subscribers, and I expect the PPS to be much higher than now. But I won't set a deadline for any of these things based on limited knowledge. We all agree that we are missing pieces of the QBID puzzle and are waiting patiently (some of us) for the answers we all need. Until I have those answers, I cannot make an informed decision. Therefore, I also cannot agree that Frank is diluting shares now and that he intends to stay on the pinks so he can continue diluting shares. I just don't have enough information to think that, and I won't assume anything without solid proof.

If posting your concerns makes you feel better, please continue. But please don't pass off your opinions as fact. You have not presented any proof to support your dilution theory. Telling us that "it's as clear as our noses" (or some such drivel) is worthless. Telling us that a high trding volume and a low PPS proves dilution is worthless. Facts I understand. Show me some.

By the way, the only way to avoid being cheated is to refuse to play the game. If you believe Frank is cheating you, sell your shares and find an "honest" stock to buy. I still like the game because I think I am going to win. And in my game, no one loses except those who don't play.

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Everything I say is only my opinion ... right or wrong.

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[Roll Eyes]

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Did you know that you can link to a transparent image in a post and the user's webclient ... blah, blah, blah


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