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Sorry PAC -- thought you were being sarcastic about htat -- Looks as though I am the one who woke up on the wrong side of the weekend.

^^^^^--- this was actually on a window that got covered -- didn't post it earlier, but it needed to be said. Kind of off topic now, but it still stands....


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Originally posted by paperandcoin:
quote:
Originally posted by mrgr8avill:
MGR,
Not getting personal!Enjoyed and agreed with your earlier post!As for the stars!I didn't think you would be serious!Still, a good post!

Paper,

Why do you want to get personal? Go back and read my posts -- I am always upbeat and (try anyway) to be a little humorous. What is it with today? I was apologizing to G because he bashed the PLNI thread this morning and he doesn't even own a position in that company. So when I read his first post here, which was actually thought provoking, I thought I would apologize. By the time I wrote the post, he has made a personal attack on Frank, so I recanted on that basis.

I really and truly do not care how many stars I have. But I see nothing wrong with trying to inject a little levity into even the most serious of topics. Thus the little smiley face I put at the end of my post.

Usually you guys like my posts -- I get lots of he hes and very goods. Note that in my post I simply presented both points of view, without making any unfounded accusations or attacks. I don't get how I am being criticized for outlining an opinion I don't even happen to share, and then being called immature for it.

Look, enough of this crap -- take away my stars all damn day. But lighten up, people. There is a difference between arguing an opinion and bashing. I challenge anyone in this thread to go back through my QBID posts and find a single circumstance where I have made any unfounded accusations or attacks against this company or those who manage it. I have on a few occaisions pointed out the negatives, but what in the world could be construed as immature about that?

Today gets a big YIKES [Smile] from me in here. This is normally a very fun group that I look forward to posting in and reading.

What-EVER!!!


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Originally posted by paperandcoin:
Very good opinioned post!My opinion!As far as the star comments!Well you know!Maybe grow up alittle!


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Originally posted by mrgr8avill:
Know what, G, I ripped you a new one this morning on another thread, and I am going to publicly apologize to you in this one. Your post makes sense.

Before everybody goes tearing me up, remember my emotional position in this company and the fact that I own a bunch of shares myself. But, if you take your heart out of it for a moment...

1) We all agree that volume has been through the roof, and have all been perplexed about why positive news and high volume did not translate into increased PPS...

2) This is a pink, and pinks (in general -- nothing specific) are notorious for providing information in a creative way to their retail investors.

So, we have two scenarios as to why this is happening:

1) A conspiracy to undermine the price of QBID through fraudulent share transfers and naked shorting, or

2) A dilution by management

If you believe #1, then the recent PR and investigation is a clear smoke and mirrors method of turning attention away from the dilution and provides a convenient way to further delay the audit until some other form of capital can be raised and the shares re-purchased.

If you believe #2, then the investigation is a positive move to catch criminals and immoral buggers and in doing so return a good company to its rightful value.

Which one is more plausible than the other? In Pinkieland, who is really to say -- from a purely objective POV, who is to say?

One thing that does not help if the lack of information pertaining to OS. The issue has been hashed a thousand times (by myself included), and I am among those who believe that the information should be disclosed immediately if not sooner, and I don't fully get the whole "let's wait for the audit" thing.

I am not saying either scenario is true, I am not calling anybody names for believing one way or the other, and I am not selling my shares. I am, though, just pointing out that either scenario is believable until more information is disclosed.

And again, G -- I may or may not agree with you, but I do apologize for the personal attack from this morning -- it's really not in my nature to be nasty (sarcastic yup but nasty no). Bad weekend and bad morning.





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I often wonder that myself! They must like to suffer, I guess. [Big Grin]


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Originally posted by MillerTIME:
the way i think about it, is that for some of these Q shareholders who doubt and call everything Frank says a lie,---why dont you guys just sell....


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quote:
Originally posted by permanentjaun:
Looks like it's been a fun day. Some aren't worth the time to talk to. Matt

Matt
But I did laugh a few times when I read their stuff. [Big Grin]

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i have touched on this before. The lack of information is usefull in the fact that they can allow the price to drop when they want to buyback shares. lets face it if you had the ability to lower the price every time you wanted to buy we all would do it.

now as far as the company doing this on purpose this would not be allowed, but it is easy enough to make it loook like you are not. by realeasing fluss prs that do nothing for the price.

yes there is a purpose. if the numbers where out the trader sentiment would be higher and so would the price.

till not it was not in thier advantage. they are now in a situation where the price needs to start upward again so therefore the moves they are making towards the audit and what have you


Time will correct the undervaluation of this stock. as much as i dislike this price, we alll now have more shares then we would have it the prise was up in the 2 cent range where i feel we should be right now

it a blessing in discise that will not be realised untill we are sitting in Vegas

Rod


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Originally posted by polo1110:
PT, I don't think I made it clear in my last post as I was scolding Q for forgetting the O/S count, but... Is there a strategy involved in not releasing these numbers until after the audit if they DO know the exact numbers already?
This is for anyone by the way, not just PT. I am just at a loss myself right now.


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Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Who ever said that Frank doesnt know the O/S

dont be fools. He may not know the exact number to a t but he knows close enought to the nearest million or so and can figure out close enough to the 53%. ne never said he didnt know the O/S, he said he would not release those numbers till the official audit is done.

Rod

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Originally posted by denzen:
FURTHER, HOW CAN FRAUDSTER RESTRICT 53% OF THE STOCK IF HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE SHARE COUNT IS UNTIL THE "INVESTIGATORS" GET DONE DOING WHAT THEY DO?


BINGO!!!




dz





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Sorry 4Art, but that is not ok with me. Since I don't have a choice though, I'll wait.

quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
Once again...

Frank can pull out his books and easily determine how many shares of stock are out there.

He's just waiting for the audit completion to make this information public. Okay?

[Roll Eyes]


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Originally posted by polo1110:
Thanks Jen. I am still curious to know if there are any legal remification, but I understand why he would wait. I guess I'm having more trouble accepting this than most due to the fact that I have working for two different accounting firms, and have never met a business owner that couldn't pull out his books and easily determine how many shares of stock were out there. Avoiding another major slip up like a few years ago would cause me to wait also, I suppose.




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Hi Everyone, how was the weekend?

[Eek!] [Eek!] Anyways it looks like Frankie has been doing some praying, he even has the church on his side...LOL
Check out the write up under "Stay Tuned" about Archbishop Bruce J. Simpson.

http://metrog.com/interact/bsimpson/

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yup im all over that lol


thanks


but honestly i have noy begun to get upset yet no one here has seen that yet well maybe Buckwheat when he was fighting my wrongful dismissal from work over a year ago


rod


P.S. I still work there With Buckwheat:)



quote:
Originally posted by Deg's wife:
Careful PT...don't get too upset...did you remember to do the aspirin today?



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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards.
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Right! What's a couple of million shares got to do with a %, when you might be talking in excess of 50, to maybe even a 100 billion shares?

Simply amazing!

LOL dz


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Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Who ever said that Frank doesnt know the O/S

dont be fools. He may not know the exact number to a t but he knows close enought to the nearest million or so and can figure out close enough to the 53%. ne never said he didnt know the O/S, he said he would not release those numbers till the official audit is done.

Rod

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Originally posted by denzen:
FURTHER, HOW CAN FRAUDSTER RESTRICT 53% OF THE STOCK IF HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE SHARE COUNT IS UNTIL THE "INVESTIGATORS" GET DONE DOING WHAT THEY DO?


BINGO!!!




dz



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I am totally with you on that one, Rod -- never a better time to buy back if it's at all feasible to do so. In the same boat over at PLNI -- holding out an audit with the issue of reduction on the table. It really begs the question if reductions will not be announed with greater fervor prior to any transparency issues being fully addressed.

It's the smart move on the company's part, and sure doesn't hurt the shareholders in the long-term

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quote:
Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
Let me put it this way. Say I give you a big jar . . .

Optimus
Good example . . . clear and simple. I also believe Frank knows the numbers but chooses not to say for legitimate, logical and positive reasons. I think we should let him do his job.

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
yup im all over that lol


thanks


but honestly i have noy begun to get upset yet no one here has seen that yet well maybe Buckwheat when he was fighting my wrongful dismissal from work over a year ago


rod


P.S. I still work there With Buckwheat:)



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Careful PT...don't get too upset...did you remember to do the aspirin today?


Good! You two are pure class!

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You do have a choice. If it's not okay with you, then sell. [Cool]

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Originally posted by polo1110:
Sorry 4Art, but that is not ok with me. Since I don't have a choice though, I'll wait.



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NO

lol

im not upset guys just keeping everything in perspective.

Nothing more nothing less.

it is so nice to use thier own words against them.

it is almost too easy


Rod


quote:
Originally posted by Ligge:
Rod,

Why are you always getting upset with these altruistic people that are here to save our wallets and our lives from the evil that is Frank? Shouldnt we be nice to them and kiss up to their superior intellect and knowledge?? They obviously know more than we do.

[Cool]

/sarcasm off



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Guaranteed I have already Asked Bob to look into it.

Rod


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Originally posted by 4Art:
Now that you mention it, he might be DQ as well. Hmmm ....

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Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
this guy is the formly known poster who named himself

DIQ

your still a DiQ even if you changed your name several times.

DiQ


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Originally posted by Rizzo:
another lemming off the cliff





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At the time of hiring Devany, how many PR firms did you think they would hire after Devany, or whatever the companies name was?

That was the first of about 4.

DZ

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Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Further on that do you think they would pay an auditor if they did know the exact number?

Rod


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Originally posted by polo1110:
I mostly agree PT, but do you think he really does not know the EXACT number? I just do not understand this strategy of not releasing the number, and if they have "misplaced" the number I think they should be emberassed.

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Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Who ever said that Frank doesnt know the O/S

dont be fools. He may not know the exact number to a t but he knows close enought to the nearest million or so and can figure out close enough to the 53%. ne never said he didnt know the O/S, he said he would not release those numbers till the official audit is done.

Rod

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Originally posted by denzen:
FURTHER, HOW CAN FRAUDSTER RESTRICT 53% OF THE STOCK IF HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE SHARE COUNT IS UNTIL THE "INVESTIGATORS" GET DONE DOING WHAT THEY DO?


BINGO!!!




dz





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Why would you respond to my post with this one? A bit silly after I said I have no choice but to wait (implying that I still think the company will suceed so I'm staying in). I am done posting for a while, until the tension calms and people (NOT BASHERS) are able to post real questions and get real answers. I, instead, have gotten one answer (from Jen...and thank you) and have been beaten down from the rest. Come on guys, we are in the same stock here. SMART investors ask question, they don't take the CEOs word for it and move on.

quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
You do have a choice. If it's not okay with you, then sell. [Cool]

quote:
Originally posted by polo1110:
Sorry 4Art, but that is not ok with me. Since I don't have a choice though, I'll wait.





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I merely stated that you DO have a choice. Do you not?

Mellow... mellow... LOL

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Originally posted by polo1110:
Why would you respond to my post with this one? A bit silly after I said I have no choice but to wait (implying that I still think the company will suceed so I'm staying in). I am done posting for a while, until the tension calms and people (NOT BASHERS) are able to post real questions and get real answers. I, instead, have gotten one answer (from Jen...and thank you) and have been beaten down from the rest. Come on guys, we are in the same stock here. SMART investors ask question, they don't take the CEOs word for it and move on.

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Originally posted by 4Art:
You do have a choice. If it's not okay with you, then sell. [Cool]

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Originally posted by polo1110:
Sorry 4Art, but that is not ok with me. Since I don't have a choice though, I'll wait.





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From KillBid on IHUB:

Posted by: KillBid
In reply to: None Date:8/8/2005 4:54:52 PM
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Stay Tuned:

Archbishop Bruce J. Simpson, author of “The Gay Face of God,” announced today (July 23, 2005) that he has signed contracts with Q-Television to host his own news talk show. The show will be called, “The Bishop’s Roundtable,” and will feature guests that will discuss politics, religions, and current events and how the topics affect the gay community.

The first show will be taped on August 1, 2005, and will be the aired weekly on QTN starting in September. “I’m excited by the prospect of having Archbishop Simpson with this type of talk show on our network, as it will add to the variety of programming that we are striving to put on for the gay community” said Frank Olsen, President of QTN. QTN is not just another gay network, but the first 24/7 premium network for the gay and lesbian community, which will be celebrating its one-year anniversary on September 5th.

“This will be an opportunity to show the true face of religion which differs widely from the religion practiced by the Christian Right in the U.S.” said Simpson. “I look forward to discussing the many topics and concerns facing not only the gay community, but the rest of America as well,” he continued.

http://metrog.com/interact/bsimpson/

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Whats your point, they cant hire new people?

you should elaborate on this.

are you argueing my point or trying to back it up?

you made avery vague statement.


Rod


quote:
Originally posted by denzen:
At the time of hiring Devany, how many PR firms did you think they would hire after Devany, or whatever the companies name was?

That was the first of about 4.

DZ

quote:
Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Further on that do you think they would pay an auditor if they did know the exact number?

Rod


quote:
Originally posted by polo1110:
I mostly agree PT, but do you think he really does not know the EXACT number? I just do not understand this strategy of not releasing the number, and if they have "misplaced" the number I think they should be emberassed.

quote:
Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Who ever said that Frank doesnt know the O/S

dont be fools. He may not know the exact number to a t but he knows close enought to the nearest million or so and can figure out close enough to the 53%. ne never said he didnt know the O/S, he said he would not release those numbers till the official audit is done.

Rod

quote:
Originally posted by denzen:
FURTHER, HOW CAN FRAUDSTER RESTRICT 53% OF THE STOCK IF HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE SHARE COUNT IS UNTIL THE "INVESTIGATORS" GET DONE DOING WHAT THEY DO?


BINGO!!!




dz







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ok folks im out the door for a few hours, I have to go beet up on Town Counsil tonight.

Rod

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Im trying to play catchup with the past few pages. Apparently one of the topics was why Frank hasn't released the O/S. I'd like to touch on that now and settle it. I apologize if at least this response has already been given.

I will start by saying that Frank absolutely 100% knows what the O/S and all financials of QTN are. That is he knows them unofficially. Richard Barnes is the man that completed Q's internal audit of the company. As soon as that was completed an external audit had to be completed. If an outside company didn't come in to check the books on companies how many do you think would keep their books straight? Some still don't but it is much more difficult with the required external audit.

So why hasn't Frank released the O/S then. I already said it. He knows unofficially what the number is. "If he is off by a few shares the bashers will tear in to QBID as consequence." You think putting out a press release with false information will bode well with the SEC or other stock exchange controlling forces? Bashers are the least of Franks/QTN's/QBID's worries right now.

Would it make a lot of us happier to know what the O/S is? Yea, sure. If it is that important to us then why are we in the company without knowing the O/S?

The way I see it, Frank is not serving us. He is serving the gay community. Isn't that what the company is out to do? Would he rather make a few thousand investors happy, six thousand is always tossed as a number, or the growing multitude of gay subscribers. I think it is safe to say there are at least 15,000 subscribers and I believe more.

So does he release the number to make us happy or possibly bring a lot of legal flak to a "fledgling" company that could interfere with serving his gay community?

He hasn't released the O/S not because of bashers. It's because this is a professional legal company. Releasing vital information before its legal and official would just be incredibly asinine.

Did I mention an external audit is required to move to a new exchange? Did I also mention that audit's do take months to complete. I am not sure just how large Q is or the firm that is doing the audit. From what I understand small teams of 3-5 people are sent in to literally learn everything about the company. They learn how the business runs. Every detail must be looked over. I'd like to see anyone go into a company that has multiple streams of revenue and completely dissect how everything works in under a month let alone 3-4. I'm patient. To think they haven't released O/S because of bashers isn't correct.

I actually do wonder though about Q's belief of market manipulation. Would they consider holding off information that could send the pps sky rocketing if they believe it would just be beaten down with market manipulation in the current QBID environment? Matt

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Matt,
Thanks for sharing your thought.

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Thank you Matt. My frustrations from today are slowly melting away.


quote:
Originally posted by permanentjaun:
Im trying to play catchup with the past few pages. Apparently one of the topics was why Frank hasn't released the O/S. I'd like to touch on that now and settle it. I apologize if at least this response has already been given.

I will start by saying that Frank absolutely 100% knows what the O/S and all financials of QTN are. That is he knows them unofficially. Richard Barnes is the man that completed Q's internal audit of the company. As soon as that was completed an external audit had to be completed. If an outside company didn't come in to check the books on companies how many do you think would keep their books straight? Some still don't but it is much more difficult with the required external audit.

So why hasn't Frank released the O/S then. I already said it. He knows unofficially what the number is. "If he is off by a few shares the bashers will tear in to QBID as consequence." You think putting out a press release with false information will bode well with the SEC or other stock exchange controlling forces? Bashers are the least of Franks/QTN's/QBID's worries right now.

Would it make a lot of us happier to know what the O/S is? Yea, sure. If it is that important to us then why are we in the company without knowing the O/S?

The way I see it, Frank is not serving us. He is serving the gay community. Isn't that what the company is out to do? Would he rather make a few thousand investors happy, six thousand is always tossed as a number, or the growing multitude of gay subscribers. I think it is safe to say there are at least 15,000 subscribers and I believe more.

So does he release the number to make us happy or possibly bring a lot of legal flak to a "fledgling" company that could interfere with serving his gay community?

He hasn't released the O/S not because of bashers. It's because this is a professional legal company. Releasing vital information before its legal and official would just be incredibly asinine.

Did I mention an external audit is required to move to a new exchange? Did I also mention that audit's do take months to complete. I am not sure just how large Q is or the firm that is doing the audit. From what I understand small teams of 3-5 people are sent in to literally learn everything about the company. They learn how the business runs. Every detail must be looked over. I'd like to see anyone go into a company that has multiple streams of revenue and completely dissect how everything works in under a month let alone 3-4. I'm patient. To think they haven't released O/S because of bashers isn't correct.

I actually do wonder though about Q's belief of market manipulation. Would they consider holding off information that could send the pps sky rocketing if they believe it would just be beaten down with market manipulation in the current QBID environment? Matt



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Well said, Bottomliner

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quote:
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Im trying to play catchup with the past few pages. Apparently one of the topics was why Frank hasn't released the O/S. I'd like to touch on that now and settle it. I apologize if at least this response has already been given.

I will start by saying that Frank absolutely 100% knows what the O/S and all financials of QTN are. That is he knows them unofficially. Richard Barnes is the man that completed Q's internal audit of the company. As soon as that was completed an external audit had to be completed. If an outside company didn't come in to check the books on companies how many do you think would keep their books straight? Some still don't but it is much more difficult with the required external audit.

So why hasn't Frank released the O/S then. I already said it. He knows unofficially what the number is. "If he is off by a few shares the bashers will tear in to QBID as consequence." You think putting out a press release with false information will bode well with the SEC or other stock exchange controlling forces? Bashers are the least of Franks/QTN's/QBID's worries right now.

Would it make a lot of us happier to know what the O/S is? Yea, sure. If it is that important to us then why are we in the company without knowing the O/S?

The way I see it, Frank is not serving us. He is serving the gay community. Isn't that what the company is out to do? Would he rather make a few thousand investors happy, six thousand is always tossed as a number, or the growing multitude of gay subscribers. I think it is safe to say there are at least 15,000 subscribers and I believe more.

So does he release the number to make us happy or possibly bring a lot of legal flak to a "fledgling" company that could interfere with serving his gay community?

He hasn't released the O/S not because of bashers. It's because this is a professional legal company. Releasing vital information before its legal and official would just be incredibly asinine.

Did I mention an external audit is required to move to a new exchange? Did I also mention that audit's do take months to complete. I am not sure just how large Q is or the firm that is doing the audit. From what I understand small teams of 3-5 people are sent in to literally learn everything about the company. They learn how the business runs. Every detail must be looked over. I'd like to see anyone go into a company that has multiple streams of revenue and completely dissect how everything works in under a month let alone 3-4. I'm patient. To think they haven't released O/S because of bashers isn't correct.

I actually do wonder though about Q's belief of market manipulation. Would they consider holding off information that could send the pps sky rocketing if they believe it would just be beaten down with market manipulation in the current QBID environment? Matt

Thank you, Matt. Your posts are always appreciated.
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http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA632541.html?display=Breaking+News

Here it is::


Q Warns of Stock Getting 'Naked'

By John M. Higgins -- Broadcasting & Cable, 8/5/2005 10:27:00 AM

Startup gay pay cable net Q Television is trying to make sense of some unusual trading in its stock.

It has launched an investigation into possible manipulation of the market by "naked" short sellers.


Q TV is a penny stock, trading in the cloudy over-the-counter "pink sheets" market, where information is much harder to come by than for stocks traded on larger exchanges.

Q TV trades for around 2/10ths of a cent per share, but has billions of outstanding shares and often trades hundreds of millions of shares per day.

Q TV officials believe the stock is the subject of "naked" short selling, sales by investors who claim to hold or to have borrowed shares so there is no limit to what they can sell. Naked short sellers bet that the stock price will drop quickly, letting them buy the shares more cheaply than they sold them for, pocketing the difference.

Short selling is a common practice, but "naked" selling of shares never borrowed or owned is largely against securities rules.

"Q Television is taking aggressive steps to stop any inappropriate selling," the company says in a statement. "Q will, to the best of its ability, start an investigation to flush out any inappropriate sales, thus ensuring that every share is purchased and paid for before it is resold on the market."

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Who is not reading the writing on the wall?

My investments are going up in value,

that might be the problem you are looking at the wall, waiting for a sign. you might want to read the prs, and pay attention to that. your walls graffiti is not getting updated ding bat.

Rod

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Originally posted by jackpot:
Bingo - you both nailed it on the head, more shares flooding into the market! And the pumpers are in la la land as usual. Get a life! If you all don't see the writing on the wall you are brain dead.


If there is one thing jackpot does know alot about is nothing.......just another basher who has absolutly no proof of his aligations, just guesses.

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Good thoughts, mrgr8avill. [Smile]
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Originally posted by mrgr8avill:
I am totally with you on that one, Rod -- never a better time to buy back if it's at all feasible to do so. In the same boat over at PLNI -- holding out an audit with the issue of reduction on the table. It really begs the question if reductions will not be announed with greater fervor prior to any transparency issues being fully addressed.

It's the smart move on the company's part, and sure doesn't hurt the shareholders in the long-term


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I'm addressing a lot of posts, so I'll do them in order as best I can.

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And again, G -- I may or may not agree with you, but I do apologize for the personal attack from this morning -- it's really not in my nature to be nasty (sarcastic yup but nasty no). Bad weekend and bad morning.
You can disagree and be nasty all you want but remember this: I am a QBID shareholder. I do not have a short position in this stock, and until the financial audit, I will not be purchasing more shares. If this goes the way of CMKX as a total scam stock (not likely, but possible) then I'll chaulk it up as an experience I learned from.

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how can you know if there are too many shares out there if you don't know how many there were (issued) to start??
Good question, and I'm glad you asked. Please refer to the following PR (I have to link to a PR newssite because Q's website no longer carries this PR from February 2004):

http://tinyurl.com/dcg36
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Triangle Multimedia Limited Inc. uncertified share info is 15B shares authorized with 7 1/2 B shares outstanding. The company estimates 6000 existing shareholders.
Frank knows exactly how many shares there are, uncertified or not. The fact that they are not releasing a count is proof positive that the PR regarding an investigation is BS. Frank has no respect for me, a QBID shareholder by saying they are looking into shorting.

There are no private enterprises that look into fraudulent activity, only one public one: the SEC. I would be very happy to see a PR saying that Frank is having the SEC look into fradulent MM activity and naked shorting.

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Q has had the agreement and shopping license with TW for years and are just now getting one of the TW cable distributors to air their programming.
Are you seriously meaning to tell me that within two days after getting the first national carrier our PPS *SHOULD* be hitting 52-day lows?

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I have said all along this is not a quick runner for those that are investing rather than flipping. Most people I personally know that got in this stock did so after I did so they are always asking me when/what/why. I still believe this is a good investment and I am in for the long haul, but I truly dont expect huge strides until next year or unless one of the 3 things above happens earlier.
Ligge is exactly right. I am happy for Q Television and that's who I'm investing in. I absolutely abhor Frank. He's what's keeping this stock from running. He's incompetent and money-grubbing. Our only solace is that he can't remain CEO forever. Let's just hope his successor isn't as stupid as he's been.

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Oh, man -- I just lost a star! I'll take it 'cause I apologized to G whilst he was unbeknownst to me getting personally viscious with Frank. But I hope no one voted me down because I expressed that opinion about both sides of the PPS/OS issue.
If you're worried about your rating, don't post in the QBID thread. You can disable the showing of your rating if you don't want others to vote on you. I don't care what people vote, I say things like they are, and most of the time (at least lately) I haven't liked what I see.

There are bashers here that rate people with each new account they create. I have the unique position of having been rated up by both pumpers and bashers because of my comments.

I did a technical analysis piece that caught the right to .0023 in July on the other thread, and that got a lot of attention and favorable ratings. I'd do another TA piece that will explain why QBID is going to rise to .0017 tomorrow and maybe .0020 again by the end of the week, but I'm more interested in commenting about how Frank keeps diluting and how it is upsetting me.

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I was apologizing to G because he bashed the PLNI thread this morning and he doesn't even own a position in that company.
I didn't bash PLNI. I stated fact. If the truth bothers you, it's time to sell. If Frank said, "The audit will be complete before the end of the month" and it wasn't, I'd sell. You can get no greater proof than that. And btw, I don't read the PLNI thread, I just post there. I'm sending you all warnings before PLNI is back at .0050 within the next month or so (a guesstimate). I would recommend you look at my recent posts and view the others I made on the PLNI thread.

PLNI looks like a good stock, don't get me wrong. But something to keep in mind is that FatherofTwo figured out a good pump-and-dump scheme that I'm ashamed I didn't think of first. Here's how it works:

1) Find a pink with no news and/or little news in the last 3 to 6 months or so and low/decent float. The best Pinks are with technologies that are decent(computer or related) and recent and newsworthy.

2) Call the CEO, be frank with him, tell him you want to make some money on his stock and need to see a PR to do it, but you'. Ask if he'll agree to release a PR within the next week or two, and ask him to reduce the float in the meantime if he can. Tell him you'll be able to bring in lots of investors. Agree on a selling point, then sell out of your positions entirely, he'll buy back his float.

3) Buy umpteen million shares.

4) Make a post on the forums about how this stock you've been following on your radar is starting to look interesting and there was a lot of volume yesterday (your purchase) on no news, indicating a rumor of some sort.

5) Let the CEO publish the news.

6) Profit. Sell at your target price or reposition it so you sell on the day the awesome news comes out. You (as the investor) get lots of money, the CEO gets renewed interest in his stock and possible even more investors as more people see the post

7) Use your newfound heavenly predictability of great PRs to pump yet another stock; rinse, repeat.

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I'm Jonas from Belgium, just buyed 3,500,000 shares of Qbid, I hope I wont regret it
Sell your shares immediately. This is from a concerned QBID investor. The reason why is because you sound very much like someone that can't handle a drop in PPS and will sell at .0011 instead of holding.

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Who ever said that Frank doesnt know the O/S dont be fools. He may not know the exact number to a t but he knows close enought to the nearest million or so and can figure out close enough to the 53%. He never said he didnt know the O/S, he said he would not release those numbers till the official audit is done.
Penny is right. My point here is that Frank knows exactly what the OS is and isn't saying what it is not because he cares about being accurate, but because he is diluting. Unlike the others invested in this stock, I don't believe Frank simply because he has never said he is not diluting. If he would say that, and only that, then I would be very happy. But he won't say it, which means (to me, anyway) he is.

He can say he's hiring an investigatory team all he wants, but he needs to state the obvious thing, that he is not diluting. That's what shareholders want to know. At least, that's what I want to know. I'd also like to know the O/S even unaudited (thought audited would be swell). Hell, I'm an investor, I'm entitled to AT LEAST the O/S, not some ****ty DVD about how "feel good" my QBID investment is.

I totally respect Penny-Trader and Dig dough and some of the other people that have been around for a while, because they've lost on this. The ones that have registered in the last month or three are the least qualified. I see people like this 4Art guy calling me, an investor, a basher, when the only thing I hate about my investment is that Frank is the CEO, and I gotta chuckle. You'll learn to loathe Frank too, especially if you keep your position.

We don't even hear from FatherofTwo and some of the others anymore.

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dont tell me im wrong as i have been in communications with him in the last couple of weeks and can prove my statements.
Okay. I'll bite, let's see the proof? I'd be willing to part with fifty bucks to anyone that can point me to someone who will "employ" a basher. I've stated this in the past and never got any PMs about it, if basher's were getting paid to bash, you'd think they'd love getting paid to point someone to their employer.

quote:
You really need to get back on the other side of the fence, as the side your on right now is not going to do you any good.
I'm not going to falsely promote a stock. Posts on a forum do not influence a stock nearly as much as dilution. I was kind of surprised at how well koreanvet's pump and dump worked. I was even sold on it.

I think QBID is still a good investment too, but for me, not for someone else that is expecting the world. And not while Frank is diluting, which I truly believe he is doing. An audit would prove otherwise, and I hold onto my shares and hope for one, but I don't see Frank as the one to make sure it gets done, instead I find it more likely that Renee or someone else would make sure it gets done.

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Q is setting up very very nice for a chart run,, and if Frank has everything in order, tuesday morning (biggest day for PR's for Q) would be the perfect time to realease a monster PR...
Agreed. Tuesday's are big PR days, but the recent bout of PRs has been disappointing me. All this talk of wasting money on a senseless investigation into trading in pink land when all Frank has to do is complete an audit and leave the pinks astounds me.

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plain and simple, anyone that posts in these rooms owns the stock or is looking to buy in. NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE no matter what they try to tell you.
I post weekly on the PLNI forums and agree with this sentiment. I'm looking to buy, but until the audit is complete and the CEO can explain why it wasn't done in four weeks like he originally stated, I'm not touching the damn thing.

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the way i think about it, is that for some of these Q shareholders who doubt and call everything Frank says a lie,---why dont you guys just sell....
I love Q Television. I hate Frank. Until he restores confidence by posting the estimated or audited O/S count, or promises he'll stop diluting, I don't have faith in the PRs he releases.

You can state your reasons for him withholding the official O/S count all you like, the problem is that we do know dilution was done to pay for the Gay Games and we don't know how much was done. So Frank has no ballpark figure for the O/S. He knows it, but he's not releasing it, instead they poo-poo us and ask us to wait for official numbers. Why not release some unofficial numbers or an ETA on the completion of the audit?

Give us something we can berate him on, give us what Jim Turek did, a four-week timeframe for completing the audit. If the audit is successfully done by that time, then both shareholders and QBID win. If not, then Frank dilutes into a rising PPS and gets the SEC involved.

I want to see Frank do something falsifiable by legal and financial ramifications if he doesn't meet the timeline. I want to see Frank do more than most Pink Sheets do. I'm utterly amazed that PLNI could release a PR with a 4 week timeframe for completing the audit and NOT RELEASE AN AUDIT over 11 weeks and not be investigated by the SEC. It literally blows my mind and does not help my confidence in the SEC, the Pink Sheets (who are still listing PLNI), and risky stocks in general. It basically means a CEO can lie to their shareholders, force up the PPS, and get away with it.

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Dont worry ill have my group of penguins look into it, as soon as i get them out of the bar..


Sorry i havent been around been working more than i like and i dont have internet connection at work YET. i am working on that just got to wait for the network guy to put a jack in my office.

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G-invest, I don't believe I called you a basher. Further, the day I "loath" Frank (a day which I don't foresee coming) is the day I'll sell my shares in his company. Otherwise I'd be a hypocrite, wouldn't I?

At any rate, I certainly wouldn't hang around badmouthing him (and my investment), on an Internet bulletin board. Life's too short for that. [Cool]


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I see people like this 4Art guy calling me, an investor, a basher, when the only thing I hate about my investment is that Frank is the CEO, and I gotta chuckle. You'll learn to loathe Frank too, especially if you keep your position.


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quote:
Originally posted by g-invest:
I'm addressing a lot of posts, so I'll do them in order as best I can.

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Ligge said - Q has had the agreement and shopping license with TW for years and are just now getting one of the TW cable distributors to air their programming.
Are you seriously meaning to tell me that within two days after getting the first national carrier our PPS *SHOULD* be hitting 52-day lows?
--- I snipped out a ton of the above post as I am only replying to the issue he replied to me on ---

Thats not a national carrier deal. I will even go as far as to say - as I did earlier - that this is very likely a franchise like operation. TW used to go around and buy these smaller cable companies. Still do. And in many cases they are fairly autonmous to the larger corporation.

We have a hunting license with TW. That means we have big daddys permissiont o talk to their smaller cable operators and push for Qs inclusion in their programming. We have done that and we are now in Maine. Its a big deal for Q, but its not a big deal YET in the overall picture. Its very much a baby step. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course due to all the publicity and advertising as well as LOGOs launch I am quite confident that TW is watching and waiting and if Maine can show a substantial sign up rate then I am sure that will trickle to other TW cable operations. This could then possibly turn into a contract with TW proper which then would equal a national carrier deal.

What we have now with TW is less than what we have with RCN. That explains why no PPS change in my eyes.

I have faith that the superior programming and Frank's stable of quality firms and personnel will be able to manuever this mini deal into a bigger deal, but until then it is really a nonissue as far as having carriers go.

I am not only a faithful QBID holder but I am also an exTW employee... I am not just pulling this out of my *beep* [Big Grin] I do have some inkling of what is happening here and I dont mean to belittle the situation but its just not a national carrier deal that we need. Its a shot at getting seen in a good area on a large cable company. That is a good thing, just not the great thing we need to have happen.

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Thanks for your insight, Ligge! This makes so much more sense than all the "Frank is doing something evil" posts we've seen lately. [Roll Eyes]

Patience is key, IMO.

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Thats not a national carrier deal. I will even go as far as to say - as I did earlier - that this is very likely a franchise like operation. TW used to go around and buy these smaller cable companies. Still do. And in many cases they are fairly autonmous to the larger corporation.

We have a hunting license with TW. That means we have big daddys permissiont o talk to their smaller cable operators and push for Qs inclusion in their programming. We have done that and we are now in Maine. Its a big deal for Q, but its not a big deal YET in the overall picture. Its very much a baby step. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course due to all the publicity and advertising as well as LOGOs launch I am quite confident that TW is watching and waiting and if Maine can show a substantial sign up rate then I am sure that will trickle to other TW cable operations. This could then possibly turn into a contract with TW proper which then would equal a national carrier deal.

What we have now with TW is less than what we have with RCN. That explains why no PPS change in my eyes.

I have faith that the superior programming and Frank's stable of quality firms and personnel will be able to manuever this mini deal into a bigger deal, but until then it is really a nonissue as far as having carriers go.

I am not only a faithful QBID holder but I am also an exTW employee... I am not just pulling this out of my *beep* [Big Grin] I do have some inkling of what is happening here and I dont mean to belittle the situation but its just not a national carrier deal that we need. Its a shot at getting seen in a good area on a large cable company. That is a good thing, just not the great thing we need to have happen.


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