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"This is just the start of it. And this piece of crap Phxgold has been a proven liar too. After it was proved the 360 weren't Indian tribes he tried to cover it up. The 84% seller ownership was not only stupid when he made it up and made the cult believe it. He doesn't even apologize for his ignorance. So what does he do, makes up more theories to get people like legal to fill there koolaid cups up again."
I believe that was Jay_Adobe, not Phxgold.
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And if you are done with the same old worn out bashes of yesterday, some would like to move on to understanding why those things may have happened.
From Frizzel's Update:
"As you may know by now a certain individual opened numerous trading accounts in 2003 and 2004 at a well known Nevada broker/dealer to facilitate the sale of hundreds of billions of shares of CMKX stock."
He not only opened several accounts, he OWNS the company. Yep, John Edwards and CRWN. *******************************************8
Crown Financial Holdings, Inc.
(Name of Issuer)
Common stock, $0.01 par value
(Title of Class of Securities)
22834Q 10 8
(CUSIP Number)
Sherwood N. Cook, 3800 Howard Hughes Pkwy., 7th floor, Las Vegas, Nevada 89109, (702) 792-7000
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Legal, lets say your right this time. First time but lets say your right. It seems impossible with the share that the company dumped on us but lets say JE shorted CMKX. Does that change the fact that UC has mis-managed, dumped shares, lied, and refuses to come clean for what he did. Not filing is the problem for getting revoked. You can claim conspiracy all you want but this was a reporting company that has not filed, period. The books are in such disarray they probably can never be a audit. You like to say there is only 5 people that believe this is a scam. Thats far from true. I would bet 90% of the members on this board know this is a scam. It is so clear that its hard to understand how anyone doesn't.
But still what if you prove that he did short CMKX. Frizzle already said he was only going to help a select few. The rest can do a class action if they want and he would help them get a lawyer. But no one is getting anything from that. I would say JE is just as smart as UC and put most of his assets in a trust or off shore.
Good luck but no matter what JE did it doesn't make CMKX legit. Still going to be hard to prove. With the average stock turning over its O/S every 40 days and with pinksheets the volume is doubled for every buy/sell. Then add in 500 billion in dilution it would make sense for this stock to have an avg. of above 8 billion in shares a day. So I just can't see the shorting at least to any massive amount. And I already stated that Frizzles fuzzy math was incorrect. He needs to get a mathematician before trying to do statistics. Because he knows nothing about it.
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Since you like copy and pastes legal, heres you one.
Posted by: Investorman In reply to: gump90 who wrote msg# 181928 Date:8/19/2005 12:45:08 AM Post #of 181933
gump - What do you think of this post from RB?
By: stockshockers4 19 Aug 2005, 12:39 AM EDT Msg. 1081663 of 1081664 Jump to msg. # cmkx" claims . . . who really owns them
Since there have been several requests for a "claims" thread showing who owns what, here's the current info as best can determine.
1. searched the current Saskatchewan mineral claims database and found no entries for CMKM Diamonds.
2. The claims map on the CMKM Web site is not correct in that all the claims labeled "CMKM Diamonds" are actually held by numbered Saskatchewan partnerships which I'll detail in a moment.
3. All the "original" claims held by CMKM Diamonds as detailed in the DEF 14C of 2003 have lapsed and have been picked up by Saskatchewan limited partnerships (1.4 million acres), Nevada Minerals (325,000 acres) and United Carina (36,000 acres).
Unless there is other data, it looks to me like all the Saskatchewan claims that are purported to be CMKM claims are in fact held by six Saskatchewan limited partnerships. I have listed the partnerships by number along with their claims acreage and the principal stock holder of each parnership:
101012190 43,379 acres Moen, Allan 101023310 29,806 acres Cypress Geoservices 101024796 10,892 acres Kirkland, Ann 101047025 1,012,023 acres Koch, Emerson 101050803 153,882 acres Nevada Minerals 101053292 218,219 acres Sim, Robert
Nowhere in any of these partnership profiles I downloaded from the Saskatchewan government site was CMKM or Urban Casavant listed as a partner. I recognize the JV connection with Nevada Minerals, but Nevada Minerals only has claims for 154,000 acres, and those claims are not in CMKM's name despite the JV relationship.
As far as I can tell from current Saskatchewan government databases, CMKM holds no claims and the partnerships own claims for just over 1.4 million acres.
The big question is how (and if) these claims, which were once an asset of CMKM's and the primary reason I invested in late 2002, will ever find their way back into a position where they do we shareholders some good. Frankly, "faith in Urban" gives no comfort at all . . . any other rationales would be interesting to hear. Got any?
Cheers,
4C's opinion dated late 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Legal, lets say your right this time. First time but lets say your right. It seems impossible with the share that the company dumped on us but lets say JE shorted CMKX. Does that change the fact that UC has mis-managed, dumped shares, lied, and refuses to come clean for what he did. Not filing is the problem for getting revoked. You can claim conspiracy all you want but this was a reporting company that has not filed, period. The books are in such disarray they probably can never be a audit. You like to say there is only 5 people that believe this is a scam. Thats far from true. I would bet 90% of the members on this board know this is a scam. It is so clear that its hard to understand how anyone doesn't.
But still what if you prove that he did short CMKX. Frizzle already said he was only going to help a select few. The rest can do a class action if they want and he would help them get a lawyer. But no one is getting anything from that. I would say JE is just as smart as UC and put most of his assets in a trust or off shore.
Good luck but no matter what JE did it doesn't make CMKX legit. Still going to be hard to prove. With the average stock turning over its O/S every 40 days and with pinksheets the volume is doubled for every buy/sell. Then add in 500 billion in dilution it would make sense for this stock to have an avg. of above 8 billion in shares a day. So I just can't see the shorting at least to any massive amount. And I already stated that Frizzles fuzzy math was incorrect. He needs to get a mathematician before trying to do statistics. Because he knows nothing about it.
Ric can you tell me the difference between a "sting" and a "scam"? Isn't a sting just a legal scam?
Frizzell: "If a lawsuit went extremely well and certain defendants wished to offer any serious sums of money for settlement, it would be simple to ask the Court's permission to assist us in some way to apportion any recovery amongst the shareholders. I am not a class action lawyer and do not plan on bringing a class action lawsuit."
Frizzell: "John tells me there are those that suggest a lawsuit would yield tons of money for only those that I choose to name as a plaintiff so what good would it do for the shareholders. Remarks like that are very unsettling to me. I have become very thick skinned to some of the remarks I receive from a select few. I do not respond to those that choose to make personal assaults on my integrity or my courses of action. I know that my efforts are helping the shareholders and I plan to continue to do so."
"Naked Shorts--In my opinion we have proved the largest naked short in the history of the market. Will these illegal acts benefit the shareholders? There are many factors that must come into play, but I am very encouraged. Management has not "run off". The real assets of the company appear to be in place. It will only take a few deals to get done before these huge short position will be at the mercy of the marketplace. I look forward to that scramble."
And did you notice "OIL"
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If our claims are in CMKX name, with all of the litigation and potential litigation, then I might agree that UC was a poor manager, that Maheu is a dottering old fool, and Roger Glenn really doesn't deserve the fees he collects.
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FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group,
I have posted on the cmkx owners' group web site a reply from the SEC to the company's response to the Motion For Summary Affirmance. www.cmkxownersgroup.com The document is entitled "SEC Reply Memo". This is the latest effort of the SEC to urge the Commission to deny the company's efforts to appeal. The SEC is pointing out to the Commission that the company response is inadequate and that legal grounds exist to deny the appeal and summarily affirm Judge Murray's decision. The Commission may rule on this motion or they may just let the parties file their briefs. We will see.
I have posted on our website a list of accounts which I have learned were opened at a certain brokerage firm by a single person. See www.cmkxownersgroup.com . We have named the document "List of Trading Accounts". This document was obtained in discovery from the SEC just prior to the administrative proceeding. We believe a large number of shares of CMKX stock were traded through these accounts. I would appreciate a note from any of you that are familiar with any of these companies or trusts. We have information on most of the companies but some of you may have additional information. Please write John at jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com with your information. Put the company name on the subject line to help us in sorting the information. I am particularly interested in knowing the names of any principal owners or key people in these companies. I mentioned these accounts in my update last night. This document does not necessarily imply wrongdoing on the part of these companies. We feel compelled to investigate the companies regardless. The shareholder list which has already been posted on the boards will give you cert information on many of these entities.
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cmkx's problem with getting audited has nothing to do with coffey. read the transcript...they owe money to the auditor from 2002, the last time they even had 1 before this yr. they have no records of where money went, why loans were made, why shares were issued. john edwards probably is a scum bag, a lot of ppl around UC are. he probably does have a lot to do with dumping cmkx shares, i don't think UC is smart enough to figure this scam out on his own. it took somebody thinking the whole thing thru. UC's house is not in his name, its protected from lawsuit, the claims are not in CMKX's name or in the names of any officers of cmkx or UC for that matter. this protects those claims from being taken over by outside parties & that includes shareholders once the scam is exposed. UC is the fall guy for somebody in all this but UC had to be in on it from the start. he knew this was a scam, he knew 703 billion shares were being dumped. he knew huge loans were made without the hope of ever being paid back. it was UC that sent money to pay for racing cars. it was UC that bought the missing gems not once but twice. john edwards was probably in on the scam & made big money off it but UC is just as guilty even more so. it was UC telling ppl cmkx was close to reporting, it was UC pumping the stock with race cars, it was UC lying to the public. thats why UC had his personal lawyer in court & why he pleaded the 5th. his lawyer said he pleaded the 5th because he didn't want to say something & have the SEC prove it wrong thus making him out to be a liar, UC had no problem telling shareholders cmkx was ahead of schedule in reporting when they had no books or even an auditor. i guess lying is ok when you think you can get away with it.
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I really wish you would stop being foolish, legal. There isn't any sting operation. There isn't any NSS situation. There isn't any proven value to CMKX. There isn't anything, there is nothing but revocation coming soon. There might be lawsuits coming on the part of some shareholders, but you watch how Frizzell maneuvers and maipulates the chosen few into changing the target of that suit. It isn't going to be all these folks you have drawn in with inference and inuendo, it is going to be the Captain of your CMKX ship. He is staying close to the company, and the company is probably cooperating with him just enough to keep him satisfied and quiet. It's a cat and mouse game, he's trying to get information from them to hang them, and they're giving him just enough disinformation to keep him interested. He has gotten frustrated once and thretened the company, then they put a lollipop in his mouth and sat him a corner and quieted him down. Soon all that misdirection will run out leaving him one place to go, and you know where that will be. If this was all neat, clean, well managed company there would be no need for all this theorizing, specualtion, inuendo, assuming, cloak and dagger, crap. The facts are out there. Ric and others have listed them for you more than ten times, but you prefer to mix ingrediants to make something new out of byproducts of the SEC kicking this group of wrong doers in the ass. There might be companies connected with all this mess that are being exposed from the efforts of this investigation, but CMKX isn't insulated by a sting operation, it is one of the PRIMARY targets, with slime oozing out it and trailing to other infected companies and CEO's. The SEC uncovered a rat's nest, and are in amazement how deep and large the infestation is.
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There isn't any sting operation. There isn't any NSS situation. There isn't any proven value to CMKX. There isn't anything, there is nothing but revocation coming soon.
There isn't proof one way or the other, but if believing that helps you to soften the blow of perhaps making one of the biggest financial mistakes of your life, fine.
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Well, at least you admit that there isn't any proof that your hairbrain ideas are valid. Thank God, you've came that far. Now, to get you to at least admit your position is a remote longshot and just a dream that could only ocurr if a million unatural things happened all at once. That would be real progress in your recovery.
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Oh! Then that implies you have proof that other shareholders are not privaledged to, or at least your statement would make it seem that way. Is what you have hardcore evidence, proof, or just hearsay evidence, rumor?
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I answered that a few posts back. Remember "boots on the ground". My boots? No. Trusted boots? Yes. Proof enough for me. You go get your own.
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...and I answered your "boots on the ground" post with ridicule and disbelief, in my own isensitve honest way. I think the case against is strong enough with all the public information that only the case for, or your position, is the one that requires you to get and show proof.
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The public information is only partial and for a good reason. It is being released, little by little, followed by indictments IMO.
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couple things from the new office pic page at the OG site....isn't at least 1 of those places an addy UC used as the company office addy? 1 of the buildings with the mail box business. seems a bit strange that these companies that got large numbers of CMKX shares would be using UC's MO for offices. another company at 1 of those buildings stands out...Nano Signal Corp....isn't that a POS scam penny company that r/s'ed everyone to death a few timnes in the last 2 yrs???
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Nano Signal is Mike King of BBX Equity, the company that originally funded Barrington Foods and UCAD
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legal...about your sting idea....is it impossible??? no, very little in this world is impossible. is it probable??? highly unlikely. facts & timeline say UC was part of the scam. first UC moves the mining into a shell company thus he goes public. the moment he has control filing stops & dilution starts. if it was a sting it would mean these outside bad guys went to UC before the reverse merger & UC went to the law thus setting up the sting. it would mean the law allowed 56K ppl buy into this company set up to sting bad guys. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. this would open up the justice department to litigation from he11. they will not set up stings where John Q Public will get hurt. they would have went after the bad guys long before this & in a differant way. also if it was a sting that info would be public now. all the shares have been sold, all the wrong doing is over. the ppl responsible already have their names etched into the bad acts. there would be no reason to waste more money revoking cmkx. they would have sucked in all the bad guys long before now & have all the proof needed. there would be no reason to keep up the act. the only reason to keep up the act would be that UC is the number 1 bad guy, even then proof would be there. in court it was pointed out that cybermark stopped being honest & open the day UC took control. just in the 6 or 8 months before the form 15 was filed the o/s went from 7 billion to 100 billion. this was happening at the same time UC was saying he was buying back shares. every share going into the o/s had UC's approval. of course other ppl were involved, UC could not start up a bunch of fake companies & open trading accounts in those company names using his name. he had to have a few other ppl involved to dump the shares he approved into the o/s.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you call this living?
STOP TALKING ABOUT 'LIVING' as Wallace is dying ever so slowly each day. I wouldn't want him to be reminded of what he told us: "Ther doctors say I may only have months..."
Wallace, get a new doctor, you are like 9 months past your experiation date, as per you Doctor, Doctor Fingers.
Glassman, good to see you back. I was wondering what hole you crawled into and out of.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you call this living?
Beats being dead! LOL
I WONT EVEN GO HERE WALLACE! You WALKED into that one...
Beats being dead? What about half-dead while gasping on an O2 tank?
Yuck, Yuck, Yuck....
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quote:Originally posted by ACKCANE: I don't mean to be rude, but what do the three of you do for a living?
They pleasure monkeys for fun on their spare time. While working you can find them camped out on this CMKX Thread, yet they own ZERO shares of CMKX, they have hard-on's about knocking a company they think sucks, YET, find one of them to pick a stock that has 'hit it big'...
They offer ONLY advice on what is BAD about cmkx? Yet have no shares, yet offer no real stock advice (unless it is connected to cmkx and is negative) to posters...
Wallace (Our resident Geriatric), glassman, Ric (egghead) have been here for 14 MONTHS!! LOLOLOLOL...
Yet they hate the stock?! It is one thing to be for a stock and always on a message board, BUT it is just plain FRUITY to be against or not for a stock and hang out EVERYDAY on the thread...
Seems to me ric, wallace, glassman, ohsnapd have been locked in a C-I-R-C-L-E Jerk for the last 14 months...
Gotta go pick up Wallace's o2 tank.
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hmmmmm..... who's that knockin' on the door? it cant be the DEA, they don't have to knock.... how much do you pay for those "little favors" anyway jb??? 7500$ to mule 50keys from laguardia to hicksville sounds about right
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"They pleasure monkeys for fun on their spare time. While working you can find them camped out on this CMKX Thread, yet they own ZERO shares of CMKX, they have hard-on's about knocking a company they think sucks, YET, find one of them to pick a stock that has 'hit it big'..."
Ok sparky, and what do you offer to society?
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great psycho in here amuzing himself again. the talented wit that he is. did you get tired of amuzing yourself in other ways psycho??? is your goal in life to amuze yourself in 2 ways at the same time???? personally i get up every day just to bash cmkx. i go to sleep at nite dreaming up new things to post just so i can say i followed 1 scam penny stock to its grave & then danced all over that grave. i'm hoping to win humanitarian awards & become rich & famous. my dream is about as realistic as the cults dream of cmkx paying off big time 1 day.
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legal...wanna bet there are more then 1 david e coffey's in this world??? last nite he was a bad guy today he is part of the sting on the good guys side???? make up your mind legal....lol
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man this sucks....this company has disappointed me
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howdy Cash...hope all is well...cmkx has even disappointed us bashers so your not alone...lol
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