How can you, with good conscience, pump a company that gives its shareholders no information, no filings, and the boss takes the 5th when asked questions?
Is there any tiny bit of fact that would make your pumping believable? If so, come on, put it out here. No more IMO, no more I thinks, let's have some concrete numbers.
What say, UC? You got any of this for us???
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now ed you know thats a foolish statement. just because you have a legal right according to SEC rules is no reason to be upset. you have to figure in the damage such facts would do to the pps of cmkx, what with mm's, hedgefunds, debeers, the SEC, the DTC & us paid bashers all gunning for cmkx. just think of the damage we would cause to cmkx, & UC's reputation if we had the full story to work with. look what we can do with the few facts we have.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: now ed you know thats a foolish statement. just because you have a legal right according to SEC rules is no reason to be upset. you have to figure in the damage such facts would do to the pps of cmkx, what with mm's, hedgefunds, debeers, the SEC, the DTC & us paid bashers all gunning for cmkx. just think of the damage we would cause to cmkx, & UC's reputation if we had the full story to work with. look what we can do with the few facts we have.
Heaven forbid that they be exposed for what they are scammers.
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I notice no replies from the faithful. I'm only asking for the same info I've been chasing for the last 2 years plus. Guess I'm the only one who wants to know where we are going with our eyes open.
I dont have the time nor inclination to chase UC around to races. If I did, I guess I'd get arrested for insisting on info.
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well i'm bored so lets go over current numbers...lol from todays OG list
Street Shares: 268,876,581,831 Cert Shares: 31,321,954,852 Total Shares: 300,198,536,683 Signed Agreements: 5144
from frizzys letter on page 19
59669 accounts 2033 cert holders 326 billion in cert shares
now the float is at least 408.9 billion 54,525 shareholders have yet to be heard from & a total of 403.3 billion shares missing. of which 294.7 are cert shares. that leaves 108.6 billion street shares unaccounted for.
is it possible there is a huge NS...of course but since odds are at least 95% of the missing shareholders are the very small holders & from old threads here at allstocks a large number had less then 1 million shares i'd say the OG needs a bunch of big holders to come out of the woodwork.
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That is very interesting. I know it would probably be a bother, but I would be very interested in looking at the input and the output that produced those stats.
Are they based on known and quoted shareholder/share numbers? The reports testified on the SEC request by Frizzell shows Much higher figures, that he says can be proven. Also he states that those numbers exclude anything that CEDE holds. Thats tough to compete with when he is looking at the OBO/NOBO lists and taking numbers from the T/A records.
I am interested in looking at anything you can share, and I assure you that it will be appreciated and treated with confidentiality.
TIA.
Dr.D
Now why would you assume it would be a bother for me to post the figures I used? Seems somewhat condescending to even suggest it. Anyway, as I stated in my initial post to you, my numbers are based on my belief that insider holdings are virtually non-existant or small enough to be meaningless which means that the public float is for the most part, the entire o/s. Assuming that, one can apply the standard 80/20 rule of business to the 703 billion o/s and the owners group number of 59,669 shareholders. 80% of the float will be held by 20% of the shareholders, the remaining 20% of the float will be held by 80% of the shareholders.
I realize that you do not agree with my assumption regarding the insider holdings but if you look at the numbers the owners group is reporting and the downward trend of the average holdings, it is playing out exactly as I am predicting.
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what was it he said. where is the proof only 2 flecks were found??? well dr d HERE IS THE PROOF!!!!!
airbourne survey...remember the hundreds of sites possible??? 16 sites & that needs to be reduced. final conclusion...so far testing has been weak (from report) & ppl that know what they are doing needs to be hired.
DR D where are you now?????
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notice the report refers to figure 1 & table 1 yet there is no table 1 shown. table 1 breaks down the 16 anomolies found from the goldtac airbourne survey...the big deal survey last yr... of these 16 some where houses & such. remember UC says there were hundreds of potential sites to test, how this survey removed houses & such?...i wonder can a pps go below .00004 on bid & .00007 on ask????
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quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Ohboy...I see .000001 coming soon. Their conclusions and recommendations make it sound like there is no reason for further drilling.
Sounds like a Scam to me, a few specks of diamond dust. Legal must be getting his response from Dr. D as we speak.
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i will say table 2 says they did drill in 2005. they didn't hit kimberlite but they drilled.. i sure wish table 1 was in there. even looked at pink sheets to see but its missing. figure 1 is the map we have seen many times.
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ya think this report backs up any 1 of dr d's or zens or sterlings old value theories???...lol remember those big numbers??? remember how they keep saying if even 10% of those hundreds now 16 anomolies where good hits it would be worth billions? i said yesterday that i thought UC would let this get shut down & sell all claims for that supposed $36 million debt cmkx has...i dont think you can get $36 million for this now...lol
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CMKM did not hire a geologist with the expertise of Mr. Jarvis to simply review the Caroline drilling report.
All of the holes drilled in this report are in approximately a 7km circle around the Caroline and do not encompass the drilling that may have occurred on the rest of the 1.1 million acres of the 025 Sask Ltd.
It is obvious that this is a "catch up" report and there will be more to follow.
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read table 2 legal...the 3 kimberlite hits were the carolyn pipe...the reports says as much in black & white. it does back up cmkx letting that claim go & makes the jv's sueing over it look foolish because it say no further testing suggested on the carolyn pipe...remember those diamond filled samples in that secure tool shed??? worthless.
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Member Rated: posted May 18, 2005 14:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just do a reverse 1,000,000,000 for 1 split..
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yep & end up with a pps of .0001...lol
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: CMKM did not hire a geologist with the expertise of Mr. Jarvis to simply review the Caroline drilling report.
All of the holes drilled in this report are in approximately a 7km circle around the Caroline and do not encompass the drilling that may have occurred on the rest of the 1.1 million acres of the 025 Sask Ltd.
It is obvious that this is a "catch up" report and there will be more to follow.
Legal: this is very typical of CMKX, hire qualified people for a smoke screen, pay them a bundle and get nothing from them. Just more crap for the SCAM.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: read table 2 legal...the 3 kimberlite hits were the carolyn pipe...the reports says as much in black & white. it does back up cmkx letting that claim go & makes the jv's sueing over it look foolish because it say no further testing suggested on the carolyn pipe...remember those diamond filled samples in that secure tool shed??? worthless.
Did table 2 say that they had all of the core samples tested. It does say they were split by the geologist. Perhaps that splitting showed all that they needed to know with analysis. If you can read "out" of it, then I can read into it. And don't forget we still have 4 blank pages in this filing.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: read table 2 legal...the 3 kimberlite hits were the carolyn pipe...the reports says as much in black & white. it does back up cmkx letting that claim go & makes the jv's sueing over it look foolish because it say no further testing suggested on the carolyn pipe...remember those diamond filled samples in that secure tool shed??? worthless.
Did table 2 say that they had all of the core samples tested. It does say they were split by the geologist. Perhaps that splitting showed all that they needed to know with analysis. If you can read "out" of it, then I can read into it. And don't forget we still have 4 blank pages in this filing.
The blank pages are for Urban to plea the 5th that is why they are blank.
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table 3 is the sampling summary..sample 5 had 2 micro diamonds weighing .011 milligrams
table 2 is the drilling report. a total of 16 holes drilled from 3/30/2004 till 3/23/2005. the first 5 are labeled carolyn and 3 of these hit kimberlite. none of the rest hit kimberlite. 16 holes drilled in 1 yr...i'd call that hard at work.. the last paragraph says it all...get help, i'm not the 1 to recommend drilling sites. another waste of money
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Some may recall that at the first race of the year, Emerson Koch (technical owner of 025 Sask) was telling shareholders about 60 holes drilled.
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Some computer geeks are saying the html has been altered deliberately. Some body holding back the filing? Or simply a technical glitch?
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Some computer geeks are saying the html has been altered deliberately. Some body holding back the filing? Or simply a technical glitch?
Somebody plead the 5th
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What I want to know is where all those diamonds locked up in a secure place came from? Obviously they didn't come out of a mine that cmkx owned. Isn't that what the longs have been saying? Maybe they were talking about UC's wife jewlery in the homes safe.
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quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Follow-up questions for pumpers:
How can you, with good conscience, pump a company that gives its shareholders no information, no filings, and the boss takes the 5th when asked questions?
Is there any tiny bit of fact that would make your pumping believable? If so, come on, put it out here. No more IMO, no more I thinks, let's have some concrete numbers.
What say, UC? You got any of this for us???
Maybe they do it for the exact same reasons the bashers do it - the pure glee they have when people are loosing money. I'm pretty disgusted with both groups, but I think the bashers who like to say what fools those who invest in this are and then follow with "LMAO" or "hahahaha" disgust me more.
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gator i'm not happy to see ppl lose money. i hated losing on cmkx & thats why i'm still here. if allowed to the pumpers would have ppl believing bullchit. see the post a few back for an example. now its a hacker erasing the good parts of the 8K??. this isn;t old stuff this is current chit from cult land. parts are missing but to even think it was hackers getting rid of the to da moon stuff is so messed up i cant find or spell the words needed. the last paragraph says it all...you dont know what your doing & you wasted money on me...plain english version.
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Right, these pumpers have conned so many into this scam and others. Like prrm with 65 billion shares and its still being pumped and told to inexperienced investors that 65 billion is nothing "we can move". And what do they use for an example CMKX. How about ICAN who after pumping to no end while the BOD was on PalTalk promoting it to no end then drop the ball on the investors and all the promises a lie. How about CNES who in the past month used paid P&D sites like Willy Wizard and Green Baron to pump the stock. Paid pumpers on this site that has promoted most of these. Yet people you point out that these problem will come back at you if you don't watch it are pounced on and called names.
These people get people brained washed into these pennies like there going to be gold mines and if you say one bad thing your evil. I personally don't want to see those housewives and college kids suckered into this. But the abuse given by these people when a honest question is raised is pathetic.
And they disgust me
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bill, wasn't counting you among the bashers. From what I've seen you write (on the current page at least since I admit I skim a lot) you just present facts and ask questions. That's the kind of discussion I like. None of this emotional crap so many on both sides fall in to.
Aside from "paid" bashers and "paid" pumpers (I'm not sure I believe in either) I think a lot of people see this as a game and just enjoy playing it. An "us vs. them" type thing. I can see no other explanation for the bashers as I don't buy that they are in it to save the unwary from the pumpers. So many would not devote so much energy into do something like that. The pumpers I think want this thing to go so bad that they refuse to see any negative and have to put a positive spin on everything.
As for me, I see it as a lottery ticket. It may or may not pay off and I can afford to loose the bet if it doesn't go my way. And just like the lottery it's fun to dream of this thing paying off big somehow.
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Appears that the Jarvis Report did little but hurt CMKX with truths formerly unknown such as 16 possible sites from 100s. Further, almost all of it was boilerplate stuff used in any similar study. Essentially, it comprised a lot of historical data which says nothing about diamonds and much about what exists geologically and what was done to explore up to a given point in time. In effect it said nothing of particular note as to there being any specific potential in the entire area.
That report does not even qualify as a "feasibility study".
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Some computer geeks are saying the html has been altered deliberately. Some body holding back the filing? Or simply a technical glitch?
legal, you always find a way to pin your hopes on anything that comes along, huh? No matter how ridiculous!
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Any straw to grab onto....more news that isnt news. There are no diamonds in Canada. Computer hackers have hijacked our 10K. This thing gets funnier every day.
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