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FRIZZELL: "We had some people with professed experience in guesstimating numbers based on our groups’ sampled data tell us our owned shares will be an astounding number greatly exceeding the company’s declared outstanding stock."
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i for 1 would love to see the market put on a level playing field. i do understand some pps manipulation by mm's or there would not be any as group runs would break most of them. i understand that to have a fluid market there will be a lot of short selling & at times the numbers will be hi but raising the bid & covering those short sales in a reasonable amount of time, say within 5 days on big boards & 10 on the otcbb. (group runs can distort the pps & the pps has a greater range). if UC had any honesty in him i'd buy just to help end n/s'ing. what happened to 1 yr ago, he could have tryed to be honest when the o/s was 400 billion. if the idea was to bloat the o/s to a stupid number to make a n/s stand out to an extreme level i'd say 400 billion would work. open the books on your own. no lawyers needed. UC could have had every news paper putting the story front page. yes the big media outlets may have tryed to shut it down. yes the SEC might have influanced large news outlets but with the internet as Zen pointed out the news would make its way into the mainstream. congress holds at least a few that would join the fight. instead UC has done everything in dark rooms, behind closed doors. he has increased the o/s to 800 billion, he said in july of 2004 he had zero shares. he has keep any info that might give the company value secret if there is anything of value & that has no bearing on a n/s. if the idea was to clear up a n/s that value would still be there after such happened. he has done nothing to say i'm a hard working guy trying to build a strong successful mining company. instead he is flying around following race cars & building a $5 million house. i hope there is a naked short & i hope they can prove it but like any group play it will die fast & no real pps value will happen. the big holders will hold most of their shares but selling off some will happen & the small holders will run at any profit or break even point because 1 thing is sure & proven...the o/s is stupid & kills any value the company might have.
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IN Frizzle's interview he made it seem that he didn't believe this was going to help the company at the hearing, he was hoping it would. But seemed he was gearing up for a NSS lawsuit. Which I hope he can prove and win. Still will not stop the SEC from revoking registration for not filing. You can dream all you want about they can't file because nss but the judge made it clear its irreletive to these proceeding. UC clearly stated that the reason for not filing was voids in records not NSS. That came later when he knew he would lose with that argument. Also I also believe that UC is pushing ahead in court because he doesn't want 60,000 people suing him. Diversion is the key. Make the shareholders hate the SEC and not blame me for running a scam. If you look, its a lot easier for the NSS to occur in scams. But still with 704 billion illegal shares, I find it hard to believe that nss is very large if at all.
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Big problem even if the group does get to prove either nss or they wake up and see UC for what he is they still won't get any money. Frizzle will, thats how all suits work with groups. The lawyer makes out and you lose. Frizzle has a cash cow here. what over 115 thousand already from the suckers, I mean shareholders group. And if a lawsuit will take most of those winnings too. Man hes good.
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frizzy's in this for the fame Ric. if he can be the lawyer to prove a n/s he will be like johnny cochran in the stock market lawyers world. he will be on tv, radio, book deals. a few more cases & he retires. a smart man indeed.
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RIC: IN Frizzle's interview he made it seem that he didn't believe this was going to help the company at the hearing, he was hoping it would.
A) YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE SAME INTERVIEW I DID. FRIZZELL NOW KNOWS THAT HIS NUMBERS ARE GOING TO PUT THE NAKED SHORT, FRONT AND CENTER.
RIC) But seemed he was gearing up for a NSS lawsuit. Which I hope he can prove and win.
A) NO MENTION HAS BEEN MADE OF ANY SUBSEQUENT LEGAL ACTION. THE CONTRACT WITH THE OG IS CLEAR AND PRECISE AND LIMITED TO THIS ACTION ALONE.
RIC) Still will not stop the SEC from revoking registration for not filing.
A) IF THE SEC AND JUDGE ARE BENT ON REVOKING, THEY WILL REVOKE REGARDLESS OF THE DEFENSE.
RIC) You can dream all you want about they can't file because nss but the judge made it clear its irreletive to these proceeding.
A) THE JUDGE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE ISSUE IS STILL OPEN FOR DEBATE AT THE OUTSET OF THE HEARING.
RIC) UC clearly stated that the reason for not filing was voids in records not NSS. That came later when he knew he would lose with that argument.
A) INABILITY TO REPORT THE ACCURATE SHAREHOLDER COUNT "IS" A VOID IN THE RECORDS.
RIC) Also I also believe that UC is pushing ahead in court because he doesn't want 60,000 people suing him.
A) PUSHING AHEAD???? THE MAN IS DEFENDING HIMSELF, HIS COMPANY AND HIS SHAREHOLDERS FROM AN UNWARRANTED ATTACK BY THE DTCC, THRU THEIR HENCHMEN AT THE SEC. HE ISN'T "PUSHING" ANYTHING, THEY ARE.
RIC) Diversion is the key. Make the shareholders hate the SEC and not blame me for running a scam.
A) THE SHAREHOLDERS KNEW WHO WAS TO BLAME BEFORE THE ACTION.
RIC) If you look, its a lot easier for the NSS to occur in scams.
A) SO THE SHARE COUNTERFEITING IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT SAVES US FROM CROOKS ??? HEARD THAT ONE ALREADY. LOL
RIC) But still with 704 billion illegal shares, I find it hard to believe that nss is very large if at all.
A) AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE COUNTING 24/7, TEN WORKERS PER SHIFT, UNTIL THE COUNT IS DONE. THOUSANDS OF SHAREHOLDERS ARE COMING FORWARD WITH THE INFORMATION IT TAKES TO BRING THIS THING TO A HEAD. AND THEN, ON TUESDAY, THE NUMBERS WILL COME OUT...........IF THE JUDGE AND SEC DOES NOT GAG US.
THE ONLY WAY THE NS, THE DTCC AND THE SEC CAN KEEP A MASSIVE NAKED SHORT FROM OVERWHELMING THEM, IS TO PUT AN END TO THE COMPANY. TO BANKRUPT IT. TO SCARE OR INTIMIDATE THE SHAREHOLDERS UNTIL THERE IS A MASSIVE EXODUS FROM THE STOCK.
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RIC) Big problem even if the group does get to prove either nss or they wake up and see UC for what he is they still won't get any money.
A) IF THE NSS IS PROVEN TO BE MASSIVE, THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE FED CALL AND A SQUEEZE ON THE SHORTERS UNLIKE ANYTHING SEEN.
RIC) Frizzle will, thats how all suits work with groups. The lawyer makes out and you lose. Frizzle has a cash cow here. what over 115 thousand already from the suckers, I mean shareholders group. And if a lawsuit will take most of those winnings too. Man hes good.
A) FRIZZELL IS DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB, I HOPE HE DOES MAKE A NICE PROFIT, BUT HE STILL WON'T MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THE SHAREHOLDERS WILL WHEN THE MASSIVE NS IS PROVEN.
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: frizzy's in this for the fame Ric. if he can be the lawyer to prove a n/s he will be like johnny cochran in the stock market lawyers world. he will be on tv, radio, book deals. a few more cases & he retires. a smart man indeed.
AND FAME HE WILL HAVE. GOOD FOR HIM. GOOD FOR THE INVESTORS WHO STOOD UP AND EXPOSED THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM. GOOD FOR UC, AND STOECKLEIN WHO ARE LEADING THE FIGHT, AND ROGER GLENN WHO LAID THE STRATEGY GROUNDWORK FOR WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF FAMOUS PEOPLE WHEN THIS IS OVER.
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Your dreaming, all that were in extreme nss in the past has gone bankrupt. There will be no payday. Worst case senerio for the DTCC is a lawsuit and the Judge will give you your money back. Thats all.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: RIC) Big problem even if the group does get to prove either nss or they wake up and see UC for what he is they still won't get any money.
A) IF THE NSS IS PROVEN TO BE MASSIVE, THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE FED CALL AND A SQUEEZE ON THE SHORTERS UNLIKE ANYTHING SEEN.
RIC) Frizzle will, thats how all suits work with groups. The lawyer makes out and you lose. Frizzle has a cash cow here. what over 115 thousand already from the suckers, I mean shareholders group. And if a lawsuit will take most of those winnings too. Man hes good.
A) FRIZZELL IS DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB, I HOPE HE DOES MAKE A NICE PROFIT, BUT HE STILL WON'T MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THE SHAREHOLDERS WILL WHEN THE MASSIVE NS IS PROVEN.
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Questions Concerning A Class Action Lawsuit 1.01 of the agreement explains the purpose of representation. There have been concerns that this group is bringing a class action against either management or some other third party. If any shareholder had a desire to bring a class action suit against any party, that shareholder would have to hire new counsel and sign a new employment agreement with a different attorney. This group has been formed to protect the rights of the shareholders in the present action being brought by the SEC against the company. The following words have been inserted into 1.01: It is not the purpose of this representation to assert any class litigation against the Company or any third parties. The client’s rights to bring a class action suit against any party are not effected by this agreement.
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Your dreaming, all that were in extreme nss in the past has gone bankrupt. There will be no payday. Worst case senerio for the DTCC is a lawsuit and the Judge will give you your money back. Thats all.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: RIC) Big problem even if the group does get to prove either nss or they wake up and see UC for what he is they still won't get any money.
A) IF THE NSS IS PROVEN TO BE MASSIVE, THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE FED CALL AND A SQUEEZE ON THE SHORTERS UNLIKE ANYTHING SEEN.
RIC) Frizzle will, thats how all suits work with groups. The lawyer makes out and you lose. Frizzle has a cash cow here. what over 115 thousand already from the suckers, I mean shareholders group. And if a lawsuit will take most of those winnings too. Man hes good.
A) FRIZZELL IS DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB, I HOPE HE DOES MAKE A NICE PROFIT, BUT HE STILL WON'T MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THE SHAREHOLDERS WILL WHEN THE MASSIVE NS IS PROVEN.
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THIS AIN'T THE PAST RIC. AND CMKX ISN'T JUST ANOTHER COMPANY.
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Then your legal experience is none. If you get into a illegal situation knowing you did. Then you are not entitled to compensasion under the law.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This morning, I spoke with Mr. Martin. I must admit, I have not signed up for the owners group nor have I faxed my statement to the law firm. I looked at the average shareholder and I fell way below that with 39 million shares. I have always supported the Owners Group; however, never put my money where my mouth was...That has all changed since my conversation with Mr. Martin this morning.
I called the law firm this morning to have some questions answered and Mr. Martin answered the phone. He stated that he had been there since yesterday working diligently. I guess I just wanted someone to confirm that the NSS was significant. He confirmed a 3-6 trillion NSS on the phone. He also stated that one of the leading authorities on NSS stated that CMKX has the largest NSS in the history of the stock market. I was obviously convinced that we are part of history in the making and the NSS will go before the judge. He did not give any specific numbers as to where we are at right now.
If you were like me, thinking that a few shares won't matter over all, please fax that info today. If for no other reason than to say you were part of history.
Mr. Martin went on to tell me how he thought it would play out. He stated that he did not beleive that a cover would occur causing the stock to rise. He beleives in a possible cash settlement as a result of the large NSS. This was only his OPINION. He also stated that he believed that as low as 10 million shares would be enough to make a large amount of money....
Why don't a MOD contact Mr. Martin and verify this conversation so I don't have to spend Saturday morning listening too "Mr. Martin would never say that" crap....
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Then your legal experience is none. If you get into a illegal situation knowing you did. Then you are not entitled to compensasion under the law.
RIC, SOME SHARES ARE LEGAL AND SOME ARE NOT, HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW WHICH THEY WERE BUYING WHEN THEY PLACE AN ORDER. THAT IS WHY I SAID IT IS "CR@P"
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According to one site the share count is now over 1 trillion. That is without the insiders. The time asked for is closing statements the end of March. If everyone used this time frame there is something else to this.
Since the end of March how many new shares have been counterfitted? With over 1 trillion available for sale on the market what liquidity defense could any broker/MM come up with? With the hearings announced how could buys ever exceed sells of this stock, few buy before a revokation hearing.
If this gets to be public, before a judge, whether this one or the next then they are headed for jail. Forget bankruptcy. This is criminal. It will be an open and shut case once the DTCC is forced by court order to release records. And they will be forced to. What you have in the OG share count rises to a legal threshold of probable cause and I would imagine in the next few days they will be visited by law enforcement groups.
Also, I want to know how RIC could prove someone bought knowing this was shorted when there was no public evidence of it until today? Until today it was simply rumor in public forums with people debating it. Many in this forum including the chief bashers have repeatedly said it is UC diluting not NSS.
I would also like to mention that in many financial cases where companies are run out of business that treble damages are awarded. That is triple the amount of the loss. In such a suit someone investing 1000 would be awarded 3000.
I think we have a good case building. Physical proof is hard to overcome. Brokerage statements do not lie. If all are dated end of March then you have a date that cannot be effected by the present happenings.
We are going to win if the US securities protectors are just honest and willing to award justice for all.
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Then your legal experience is none. If you get into a illegal situation knowing you did. Then you are not entitled to compensasion under the law.
RIC, SOME SHARES ARE LEGAL AND SOME ARE NOT, HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW WHICH THEY WERE BUYING WHEN THEY PLACE AN ORDER. THAT IS WHY I SAID IT IS "CR@P"
remeber what i told you about the BROKERS....
they KNOW if they get shares or not...
i think you need to do a little research into how margin accts work... do you sign away your rights to actually recieve shares or not?
and when the brokers say we won't let you buy this anymore? maybe it's becasue they don't want the margin account to have NOTHING in them at all? think about it...
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Asst. Director of Market Regulation James Brigagliano presented the SEC’s position very clearly when he was quoted in the April Edition of Euromoney Magazine saying "When you look at some of the complaints from issuers, you have to ask yourself is naked shorting really the problem here? Some of these companies have had serious financial and regulatory issues that may have been the cause for their stock price falling."
Global Crossing falls into that category Mr. Brigagliano speaks of and thus is ripe for the SEC’s bias and neglect. But Global Crossing also has trading facts that even the SEC cannot ignore.
Lets work the numbers:
Number of Shares outstanding: 22.16 Million
Number of Shares in public Float: 9.30 Million
Number of Shares Reported Short (March 8, 2005): 10.78 Million
Percent of Public Float held Short: 115.95%
Number of Shares Reported Short (February 10, 2005): 10.81 Million
Who exactly did the SEC protect when they pardoned all past settlement failures? Global Crossing, like Cal-Maine, was listed as a NASD Rule 11830 threshold stock dating back to before October 2004. They have had greater than 0.5% of their outstanding shares in constant settlement failure for six consecutive months. Global Crossing has also churned their public float 4.95 times since October, trading better than 46 Million shares during this time period. Yet since October the reported short position in the stock has only been shaved from a reported 12.2 Million shares to the present 10.8 Million share
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OK Brokers counterfit that company all you want because they are going under anyway? Might as well let you make a little money off the unsuspecting public.
That sounds good but doesn't protect the new investors. The charter of the SEC is to protect investors not let their associates make a little money.
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LATEST FROM FRIZZELL 05/07
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 Fax (903)595-4383 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members, May 7, 2005 (2nd)
It appears our efforts to have a video production of the hearing were to no avail. You have probably seen the response from the SEC opposing our efforts to have an offsite video showing of the hearing. I had asked Judge Murray to withhold her ruling until I was able to get permission from the Federal Courts to have a video production.
Thanks to some quick work by Al Hodges, a very good lawyer in Pasadena, California, I learned that many of the federal courts had built in video conferencing equipment already installed in the courtroom. From a security standpoint, the Federal Courts (and many other courts) objected to strangers bringing in video equipment and being able to photograph the interior of the Court facilities. Mr. Hodges jumped through quite a few hoops to get the Court personel to agree to allow the use of the video conferencing equipment that was already on site. Mr. Hodges was preparing a modified request for Judge Murray when he learned that Courtroom #1339 was one of the few courtrooms that did not have the video equipment built in. We appreciate Mr. Hodges efforts on the ground in Los Angeles for all the shareholders. I am ceasing my efforts to get this hearing televised.
We are pleased to report that account summaries are arriving every few seconds. We have noticed that there are many members who have joined that have not sent in a copy of their statements. Many people have called and asked if their positions were already included in the evidence we are assembling. Your group agreement allows us to include your share numbers as we speak of the group’s numbers but the shares will not be added in the court documentation if you have not sent your share summary in. The documentation we will be offering in evidence is actual information obtained from your broker via your monthly summaries. If you have not sent a summary to us since Thursday (5-04-05), your shares will not be in the documentation that will go to Judge Murray. I am proud to speak of the numbers of shares contained within our group but I can only offer the share summary as evidence. To explain it in legal terms might take a while, but simply said a reproduction of your statement carries more legal weight than our employment agreement where you simply state your holdings.
Folks, we need every provable share before we shut her down Sunday evening. Please get your brokerage statement faxed to 903-595-4249 if you have not already done so. Please send only the critical page that has your CMKX holdings on it. We have received some 15-20 page summaries and it is causing some delays. Each document is being identified separately and being encoded with an identifying number. The main info is the name on the account, the number of shares and the broker’s name. Cusips are helpful but not necessary. If the required information can come with one page, we would really appreciate it.
It is too easy to adopt the attitude that many people have about voting. i.e. My vote won’t change the election so it won’t matter if I decide not to vote…Enjoy your weekend but help us if you have not sent your statement in.
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"Total Shares: 292,196,717,884 Signed Agreements: 4672"
These are supported by statements? Doesn't look like it.
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THIS IS THE OWNERS GROUP NUMBERS, WHICH ARE STILL CLIMBING.
FRIZZELL HAS ALREADY STATED THAT "OPERATION NAKED SHORT FAX" NUMBERS WILL NOT BE RELEASED BEFORE THEY ARE PRESENTED TO THE JUDGE.
THE NUMBER ON OPERATION NS ARE GROWING MUCH FASTER SINCE THERE IS NO FEE PAYMENT REQUIRED TO JOIN IN ON THE COUNT.
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Johnny you made a perfect point. There was no proof of NSS, It was always assumed by the koolaid drinkers but no proof of it. So how do you account for not filing. Your arguement that I thought there was NSS but couldn't prove it so I can't file because all I know is the ridiculous o/s of 704 billion> And too I refuse to tell its breakdown but there could of might of we are hoping but not sure of NSS so we can't file. Funny thing though a month ago you couldn't file because there was voids in the records and before that we didn't file because we lied on form 15. Oh right it was a mistake that we claimed under 300 when we had 698. That easy to do. huh????????? over double the number is a mistake??????
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Johnny you made a perfect point. There was no proof of NSS, It was always assumed by the koolaid drinkers but no proof of it. So how do you account for not filing. Your arguement that I thought there was NSS but couldn't prove it so I can't file because all I know is the ridiculous o/s of 704 billion> And too I refuse to tell its breakdown but there could of might of we are hoping but not sure of NSS so we can't file. Funny thing though a month ago you couldn't file because there was voids in the records and before that we didn't file because we lied on form 15. Oh right it was a mistake that we claimed under 300 when we had 698. That easy to do. huh????????? over double the number is a mistake??????
RIC, THE FACT THAT SHAREHOLDERS COULDN'T PROVET THE NAKED SHORT IN THE PAST, DOESN'T MEAN THE COMPANY COULDN'T. THEY HAD THE NOBO NUMBERS. AND THEY KNEW HOW MUCH THE INSIDERS HELD.
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lol, yeah right. NOBO numbers are how many shareholders not how many shares. And if they had the proof why not give it to the group. This is really a smoke screen and you know it. NSS wasn't even a issue until the shareholders group. But keep drinkong the koolaid and believing in a company that hides everything from you. Why does cmkx need the DTCC or SEC records if they had proof.
What did you say to me, oh yeah:
THAT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE OF CR@P YOU HAVE COME UP WITH YET.
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