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Another point that must be made is with reference to legal's posts about the NYSE specialists. He, again by inuendo, is trying to suggest all market makers are crooked. That is like saying if a few cops/detectives are found to be crooked, then all are crooked. In the Phila. area a cop was just caught trying to lure a 14 year old girl into sex. Does that make all of the Phila. cops sexual perverts? 50% of them? 10% of them? Where do the accusations end...at what percentage?
For those of you who do not know, the specialist is very, very similar to what is referred to as a Market Maker on the OTC and Pinks. Both are charged with making a market in securities and keeping that market orderly. That is how he is trying to transfer recent events concerning a few NYSE specialists to the entire market arena. Do not buy it!!!
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Legal, that is just plain stupid. How are potential buyers supposed to do DD if there are no figures to work with? Why not put out the information, not only for the present shareholders but for prospective buyers. Your answer does not make sense.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: legal? i'm not a UC buff by any means, but i've heard over and over again how he has so much experience in business, now they claim the ignorance defense?
glass, Urban has been called an entrepreneur. There is a difference between that and the guy who has to keep the records, write the checks and balance the books. IMO it was another one of Urban's faults that caused the purported problem. TRUST. He hired and appointed people to positions that he trusted for their comptence.
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The only war going on here is between CMKX and its shareholders, who have to BEG for information on a company which they supposedly own. (Yes, I consider shareholders as OWNERS of the company.)
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Another point that must be made is with reference to legal's posts about the NYSE specialists. He, again by inuendo, is trying to suggest all market makers are crooked. That is like saying if a few cops/detectives are found to be crooked, then all are crooked. In the Phila. area a cop was just caught trying to lure a 14 year old girl into sex. Does that make all of the Phila. cops sexual perverts? 50% of them? 10% of them? Where do the accusations end...at what percentage?
For those of you who do not know, the specialist is very, very similar to what is referred to as a Market Maker on the OTC and Pinks. Both are charged with making a market in securities and keeping that market orderly. That is how he is trying to transfer recent events concerning a few NYSE specialists to the entire market arena. Do not buy it!!!
There are many more coming Wallace. Watch the news.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: legal? i'm not a UC buff by any means, but i've heard over and over again how he has so much experience in business, now they claim the ignorance defense?
glass, Urban has been called an entrepreneur. There is a difference between that and the guy who has to keep the records, write the checks and balance the books. IMO it was another one of Urban's faults that caused the purported problem. TRUST. He hired and appointed people to positions that he trusted for their comptence.
Then he really is an idiot. I own my own company, and I know where all the money is and where its going. Anything less shows me the man should go back to being a prison guard.
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It is becoming more and more obvious that legal does not really want any of you contacting the SEC. For some reason, he is fighting that much too hard. More and more it appears that he may truly be a paid pumper. Sense the fear? Sense the contradictions....even about contacting the SEC? On the one hand he says you need proof. On the other, he says contact them anyway.
Do contact them with your ideas, information and requirements for prudent investing as it concerns CMKX or any other company.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: legal? i'm not a UC buff by any means, but i've heard over and over again how he has so much experience in business, now they claim the ignorance defense?
glass, Urban has been called an entrepreneur. There is a difference between that and the guy who has to keep the records, write the checks and balance the books. IMO it was another one of Urban's faults that caused the purported problem. TRUST. He hired and appointed people to positions that he trusted for their comptence.
Legal that is not a problerm on Urban's part that is just being plain "stupid". Love Many, Trust Few, But Always Paddle You Own Canoe" a lesson that Urban should have learned.
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IMO, if you dont know how to RUN a business, then you shouldnt be in one.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: legal? i'm not a UC buff by any means, but i've heard over and over again how he has so much experience in business, now they claim the ignorance defense?
glass, Urban has been called an entrepreneur. There is a difference between that and the guy who has to keep the records, write the checks and balance the books. IMO it was another one of Urban's faults that caused the purported problem. TRUST. He hired and appointed people to positions that he trusted for their comptence.
Then he really is an idiot. I own my own company, and I know where all the money is and where its going. Anything less shows me the man should go back to being a prison guard.
Better still being guarded in prison
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Legal if I did not know better I would bet that you are Andrew and on Urban's payroll Why else would you continue to pump a scam??
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
in there defense legal i would be a tad bit angry if i invested in cmkx when i first started only to find out that there is almost no hope of getting any money back. but thats just me so i can understand the investors frestration. This is an outsiders view peaking in throught the window just from the preformance the stock has done and what i see on the boards. Not meant to down play anyone ...
as always just an observation
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
Exactly my feelings its time for us shareholders to take it to the SEC and get some answers. I encourage every shareholder to write the SEC and demand answers and demand that CMKX not be allowed to trade until we get those answers.
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quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Legal if I did not know better I would bet that you are Andrew and on Urban's payroll Why else would you continue to pump a scam??
Doc are you on one of those self-prescribed meds today? LOL. Andy doesn't even pretend to know anything about the company.
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The question still remains, Where are the PRs?? Legal, you can post 144 pages of crap from other boards, and until that question is answered, your postings are B+U+L+L+S+H+I+T !!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
Exactly my feelings its time for us shareholders to take it to the SEC and get some answers. I encourage every shareholder to write the SEC and demand answers and demand that CMKX not be allowed to trade until we get those answers.
There ya go Doc, find a good attorney, collect $25 from folks here, and form a Basher's Group to intervene in the action. You all talk a lot, put your money where your typing fingers are.
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quote:Originally posted by ed19363: The question still remains, Where are the PRs?? Legal, you can post 144 pages of crap from other boards, and until that question is answered, your postings are B+U+L+L+S+H+I+T !!!!!
And here I thought that I answered that question and you were going to join me in my "pumping". Oh well, there goes another $25 into the pool.
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No, you havent answered anything. All you do is pump when there is nothing to pump. I want to know how you can do that without any numbers except imaginary ones to work with?
Why cant the company tell us what is going on?? They accepted our money willingly enough, and now we have to beg for info? That isnt how businesses work....
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See, you cant even answer simple questions. I for one will not be reading any more of your inane posts. If there were a way to ignore you completely, I'd use it. Pump away, bud. Eventually this will either be proven as a scam or a going concern. Meanwhile I refuse to read any more of your useless crap.
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question.. Doc do you have anything in this company?
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Ed said: "See, you cant even answer simple questions. I for one will not be reading any more of your inane posts. If there were a way to ignore you completely, I'd use it. Pump away, bud. Eventually this will either be proven as a scam or a going concern. Meanwhile I refuse to read any more of your useless crap."
And the usefulness of the bashing posts is where?
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with a i guess its A/S 0f 700bil how much money would the company have to produce in order to make the stock price go up ?
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
in there defense legal i would be a tad bit angry if i invested in cmkx when i first started only to find out that there is almost no hope of getting any money back. but thats just me so i can understand the investors frestration. This is an outsiders view peaking in throught the window just from the preformance the stock has done and what i see on the boards. Not meant to down play anyone ...
as always just an observation
MM, "no hope" of getting money back is speculation by the bashers, that there is no massive NS in CMKX, that CMKX has been stealing shareholder money, that there has been no buyback of the OS by Urban and family, that the obvious NS now being exposed by indictment was not inflicted on CMKX, and finally the biggest joke, that the SEC has the shareholders best interest at heart, and is going to drag the "bully" CMKX before it's awe inspiring judicial system, and thrash it soundly.
Now in my opinion, that's a lot of speculation. If the "stuck holders" as they feel, want to be angry at someone, it should be the system that mired this company in a situation where it cannot respond.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: legaleagle this is a questions for you...
with a i guess its A/S 0f 700bil how much money would the company have to produce in order to make the stock price go up ?
MM, if the valuation is 70 billion, the target pps would be .10. However, a company usually trades higher than it's valuation indicates. The key to your question is "How many shares had Urban and family purchase back?".
If he has purchaed back, say 500 billion, and then retires them to the treasury, the OS becomes about 200 billion.
With that number in mind look at what the new shareholders group is publishing as their numbers:
Shares: 85,424,746,434 Signed Agreements: 557
Pushing 100 billion shares from 557 shareholders so far, and growing. It has been estimated that there are over 45,000 shareholders in this stock. If the shareholder group passes 300 billion over the coming days, and Urban would show up at the hearing with certs for 500 billion, CASE CLOSED. MM's line up for your orange jump suits.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
in there defense legal i would be a tad bit angry if i invested in cmkx when i first started only to find out that there is almost no hope of getting any money back. but thats just me so i can understand the investors frestration. This is an outsiders view peaking in throught the window just from the preformance the stock has done and what i see on the boards. Not meant to down play anyone ...
as always just an observation
MM, "no hope" of getting money back is speculation by the bashers, that there is no massive NS in CMKX, that CMKX has been stealing shareholder money, that there has been no buyback of the OS by Urban and family, that the obvious NS now being exposed by indictment was not inflicted on CMKX, and finally the biggest joke, that the SEC has the shareholders best interest at heart, and is going to drag the "bully" CMKX before it's awe inspiring judicial system, and thrash it soundly.
Now in my opinion, that's a lot of speculation. If the "stuck holders" as they feel, want to be angry at someone, it should be the system that mired this company in a situation where it cannot respond.
actually if you want to boil the away everything but the meat it was really the shareholders who pressed the button or made the phone call to buy. I'll agree with you putting your money in the governments hands is foolish if not outright silly but. On the Flipside how do you expect to increase the shareholder value with a O/S of 700bil + thats what confuses me cause im understanding this because if i do simple math.
700,000,000,000 * .0001 = 70,000,000 so if i understand things correctly that means you would have to make 140,000,000 or at least be worth that for the stock price to theoretically move up to .0002
just a quick search on the internet shows one mine that yeilded 750 million worth of diamonds, only problem is it was over 40 years. (source http://www.firestonediamonds.com/press/pr03071800.htm) and thats in a south african mine. So 140 million just to bump the price up to .0002 seems rather unrealistic just by my unsubstantiated numbers that i used because i dont know what raises the stock price.
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quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Legal if I did not know better I would bet that you are Andrew and on Urban's payroll Why else would you continue to pump a scam??
Doc are you on one of those self-prescribed meds today? LOL. Andy doesn't even pretend to know anything about the company.
Nope I have not taken any of the Kool Aid but it is very apparent that you need some medication to get you back to reality. I would be more than willing to give you a referral to psychiatry
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: question.. Doc do you have anything in this company?
Still holding 10 mil useless shares. Got in at 0.0001 and now can't even get out at 0.0001. So yes I am a shareholder and have every right to complain and also complain to the SEC.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: question.. Doc do you have anything in this company?
Still holding 10 mil useless shares. Got in at 0.0001 and now can't even get out at 0.0001. So yes I am a shareholder and have every right to complain and also complain to the SEC.
Doc, for a thousand bucks, you got a front row seat. Why wouldn't you want to see the end of the play? Or have you bought the basher line that the play is already over. Glenn, Mahue, and Stoecklein wrote the final act for this one, not the bashers.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: question.. Doc do you have anything in this company?
Still holding 10 mil useless shares. Got in at 0.0001 and now can't even get out at 0.0001. So yes I am a shareholder and have every right to complain and also complain to the SEC.
Doc, for a thousand bucks, you got a front row seat. Why wouldn't you want to see the end of the play? Or have you bought the basher line that the play is already over. Glenn, Mahue, and Stoecklein wrote the final act for this one, not the bashers.
Because the "end has come" and I face reality and not try to believe what is "not" going to happen. The reality is that Urban scammed us, plain and simple, its not a basher line, its REALITY, you really should try to get back to it You my friend are the "Jim Jones" of CMKX, leave the unsuspecting alone.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: can't we all just get along?
We could have MM, but as I stated above, we are at WAR. The lines have been drawn. It could have just been the company vs SEC, MM's and DTCC. But folks here have chosen to take it to the shareholders as well. Sorry, too late for peace negotiations.
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Now do all of you see the fear? Now do you see just who the fearful are? In case you missed it, it is the faithful. Suddenly, because he disagrees with posters, it's WAR? LMAO!! Go ahead, legal, get out your little pea shooter and plan your WAR strategy. For your information, that strategy has been screwed up right from the beginning. Keep defending UC with your pea shooter philosophy (WAR). Do the same with Maheu, Glenn, Melvin and all those mad, mad posters like Sterling, etc. Show us more of that level of intelligence. Just what and to whom are you going to go squealing now? Should we all dig foxholes or are you planning to go nuclear? Hell, pal, you can be fought off with a mere glass of water. You see, BS disintegrates with water being applied.
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With a shareholders' group admitted (limited though it may be), it is all the more important that anyone with information that may be of help to the SEC in bringing justice to the whole CMKX fiasco contact the SEC.
Remember, people at the SEC have not been following UC's operations and style to the depth and degree that most of us have. Therefore, information is key.
Now there is a group of shareholders who want to promote the same venue as the faithful (many of whom are probably included in that shareholder group). Their venue appears to be to simply allow UC and associates to continue as in the past without any accounting for actions lacking in responsiblity, intelligence and honesty.
There are many people who purchased CMKX and have lost money based upon the current pps. The responsibility for those losses rests CMKX, UC, Glenn, Melvin and others involved with CMKX. That group will not be representing you, the person who has lost money already. Instead, they have a vested interest in prolonging the agony, getting more buyers sucked in and allowing CMKX to continue as they have in the past....one way or another.
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