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Here is a post that may be of use to some who may not know where the line is drawn between spewing venom and slander. --------------------------------------------- WHAT IS "DEFAMATION"? Defamation, sometimes called "defamation of character", is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.
If a person or the news media says or writes something about you that is understood to lower your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. Slander and libel are two forms of defamation
WHAT IS "SLANDER"? Slander is a spoken defamation.
WHAT IS "LIBEL"? Libel is a written defamation. Generally, radio and television broadcasts that are defamatory are considered to be libel, rather than slander.
DON'T I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OPINION? Yes, so long as your statement of opinion is just an opinion, not containing specific facts that can be proved untrue.
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Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing; 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. W. Shakespeare, Othello, 3, 3, 161
--------------------------------------------- Let's stick to the stock or take it outside. -Debi
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let's stick to the truth...LOL very little of that is to be found in this thread.... CMKM/X has been selling shares to the public (to finance a racecar) and somebody has been blaming the large volumes on the EVIL MM's...
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Rumour and innuendo are fine and dandy if they fit the pumpers plan but if someone questions the integrity of the statements of said people then it's a crime?????
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOL.
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Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:8/19/2004 12:30:04 AM Post #of 81181
MY VIEWS ON STERLING AND HIS TRIP
1. I have no problem with a shareholder visiting with the company on his own dime. And for those that feel it is unfair that any particular shareholder gets extra time with management, GET OVER IT. Analysts regularly call companies and get extended priority face time with management. Yes, Sterling is far from an analyst but it is Urban's decision as to who he meets with. If Urban decided he wanted shareholder views on certain matters but didn't feel comfortable inviting 800 shareholders, that's his choice. Deal with it.
2. Sterling apparently was put in charge of distributing shares to those he felt were loyal/needy. I have no issue with this as it is no different than Urban himself doing this or Urban assigning his wife shares to distribute or anyone else Urban would place into such a position. For whatever reason, Urban felt Sterling was closer to shareholders than Urban was and knew who would better appreciate shares. The bottom line is that Urban gave away his own personal restricted shares to those in need. For people who have a problem with charitable donation like this, GET OVER IT.
3. Now that having been said, I don't like it. I just think now is not the time for this to happen. Again I feel this is a poor timing decision by management. One among many. Thankfully they are all minor issues in my opinion. I dislike the visa pr for its timing. I dislike this share distribution for its timing. I dislike the Halloween party for its timing. I just honestly wish Urban and management could understand that until the facts are more fully disclosed with respect to the company, that we are ALL better off if the company would stop doing things that are either promotional or even charitable. It is just flat out weird to be giving away shares right now when shareholders are struggling with the facts and left to twist at the mercy of a share price that refuses to ever budge despite 98% buys. Again, I don't have a problem with Urban doing this, just NOT NOW.
4. I guess a second issue I have is not that Sterling is in charge of distribution, but that how is that distribution being policed. I don't suspect for a second that Sterling would do anything but distribute them to those he truly believed needed them. But still, there should be some sort of safeguard so that EVERYONE is comfortable that is happening. Otherwise how do people know Sterling is not showing favoritism or distributing to his friends/family. Again, I don't believe he would, but in the corporate world, you have independent audits/verification of these kinds of things to make sure they do not happen. I don't like the system Urban has chosen. I have mixed emotions about such a system since the root of it, after all, IS that Urban is charitably giving away his personal property. THAT is highly commendable. Still, right now, charitable or not, Urban's highest priority MUST be to current shareholders and such a move IMO undermines shareholder confidence. The timing is bad and the mechanism is questionable. I think this could have been handled more professionally.
5. Roger approved everything apparently. Although the bashers will surely attack Roger's credibility and claim "Oh, THIS is the guy you choose to believe in that lets THIS happen?" but, personally, yes, I do believe in Roger. I believe that unless you are a securities expert, then I don't think you have much strength in telling Roger what he should and shouldn't permit. I am not a securities attorney. I defer to Roger completely on the legality and permissibility of this. And since he apparently approved it, then I trust it is acceptable in the SEC's eyes.
6. As far as I can tell, Sterling stopped posting shortly before his trip. If he was then informed that these shares would be given to him and he then stopped posting and stopped appearing in Paltalk and, upon his return, promptly made the appropriate disclosures (currently on paltalk and presumably on his website), then I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would claim he's done anything improper. He has now made the proper disclosures. Whether you choose to see him as biased or not is your decision. He has disclosed any conflict. Prior to receiving these shares, there was no conflict if he recieved no compensation. Arguably, there STILL is no conflict as these shares are to be distributed to other people outside of sterling. But I say "arguably" because that is a gray area, but it's moot anyway after full disclosure. If you wish to feel Sterling is now biased, that's your choice. As far as I could tell, he had no way of knowing that he would definitely be in that position to distribute shares to others until they were HANDED to him. At that point, a conflict existed and Sterling has since made the appropriate disclosures IMO. Anyone sobbing over Sterling now being biased needs to remember that Sterling only ever offered his personal opinions. And I don't know the exact amount of shares that Sterling personally has owned throughout all this, but I have no doubt his opinions were heavily biased simply because he owned shares he bought with his own money. Just as my opinions were similarly biased and anyone else's that own shares. For those crying over this sudden "revelation", Sterling was just one man with his own opinions. Personally, I still think most of what he says has great merit and doesn't change AT ALL for me because of this disclosure. It's up to you, however, to decide how you feel. But don't ever blame him for "turning" on you or "misleading" you IMO. IMO you needed to be fully comfortable with your OWN assessment of all information before investing not because of one man.
7. None of this has any relevanace IMO to CMKX the company. Yeah, Urban is unconventional and gets ahead of himself when it comes to marketing and giving, but as I said before, this part of Urban IMO is why we will not only end up succeeding but doing better than other companies because of it. I don't see the fact that Urban decided to give away his personal shares for charitable distribution as having any effect on: our property, the Goldak/TDEM survey, our drilling, the possibility of a short squeeze, the dividends were getting, the progress we're making and Roger Glenn's/EA's oversight of it all.
Bashers will have a field day with this. That's inevitable. My personal opinion is so what. I disagree with it myself but it doesn't effect my long-term outlook on this stock in the slightest. Some may sell tomorrow in reaction to it. Hey, that's their choice and, honestly, if they are selling because of Sterling, they probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place. This company has very little to do with Sterling AT ALL. Any investment decisions based purely on Sterling IMO are poor ones.
Good luck to everyone. Those are my thoughts on Sterling and his recent trip. Any debate on my opinions and you can have at it with each other. I really don't care one way or the other. I'm over it and because I don't feel it impacts the future of this company in any way, I really don't care to discuss it any further. Take care and good night. See you after the next PR.
Z
As always, these are my personal opinions.
Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Follow up from Zen --------------------------------------------
ADDENDUM 2 TO MY THOUGHTS ON TRIP
And also, Hey, I want MY shares out of this!!! I've been loyal!! LOL This is the problem I have on the mechanism. How does Sterling determine "needy"? I guess it's better to give to charity at all than to not. If I were to look at all the charities in the world every year and say "I can't perfectly determine who is neediest so I shall give away nothing", that wouldn't be right either. This is why I have such mixed emotion about the way this is being handled. I just think the mechanism is inherently flawed and wish Urban would have just waited until the company had made further progress and then made this process perhaps more democratic? I don't know. I don't even know what I would suggest as a replacement mechanism for his giving since inherently it ALWAYS is subjective. If he wants to give to needy shareholders, what else could he do? Set up a website to submit your application? It's still SUBJECTIVE. Ack. What a mess. LOL
And for the record, if for some reason I ever get a call that I was on the "list" or have been added to any such list due to my "loyalty", I would outright DECLINE any such shares. I have plenty, they are many much needier than me, it would compromise my integrity, and, as I said before, I don't support this mechanism for share distribution.
Z
As always, these are my personal opinions.
Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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so you guys are trying to tell everybody that UC can do wahtever he wants with YOUR MONEY...LOL you are all hopeless... but this is still fun and i have my orders for the day placed... tell me more reasons why EVERYBODY should give UC their money...LOL
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Rumour and innuendo are fine and dandy [b]if they fit the pumpers plan but if someone questions the integrity of the statements of said people then it's a crime?????
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOL.
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glassman, if you put a space between the first lol and rest, you get lo lo lo lo lo... Perhaps that means "log off". Good advice for you to follow.
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dwman Member posted August 19, 2004 10:00 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by glassman: Rumour and innuendo are fine and dandy [b]if they fit the pumpers plan but if someone questions the integrity of the statements of said people then it's a crime????? LOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOL.
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Well Glass, u dont have to worry abt investors money here....u should take some classes, how to invest in the stock market & better wear glasses where necessary Enjoy what u say lol
quote:Originally posted by glassman: so you guys are trying to tell everybody that UC can do wahtever he wants with YOUR MONEY...LOL you are all hopeless... but this is still fun and i have my orders for the day placed... tell me more reasons why EVERYBODY should give UC their money...LOL
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I really am getting sick of this fighting. I love the DD and info I get from this board, but I truly only speak out when I am getting pissed off.
Glassman,
Please, you sound like a man painfully trying to get all his crap out and trying to everyone to listen. If anyone has there head on straight the only thing we should believe is proven truth not...OH you guys are all stupid and you will never get anything out of this. Such people that do this clearly have no useful information for us. Don't listen to them! Ignore them and they will go away. As far as "oh we are entitled to our opinion" Yes, of course you are, but only if it doesn't sound like a broken record every time you open your mouth. Facts are the only viable thing to me, and something that might be informative about this stock, not it's a scam run! So please lets all act like grown people here and give only helpful info. Thank you.
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glassman thinks he is the Robinhood of this era, trying to save the poor and the rich people in stocks. Yo fragileman, If you have another stock go spend your time on it. You already said this is a long term investment, dont post here every minute what is bad abt CMKX.
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FasttrackerMo - Good for you for speaking up.
Glassman - The statements like the one you made below are why people don't want to listen to you and others like you. It has nothing to do with providing information to CMKX shareholders and is just a personal attack to everyone reading it. Now, back to something productive.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you are all hopeless...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: so you guys are trying to tell everybody that UC can do wahtever he wants with YOUR MONEY...LOL you are all hopeless... but this is still fun and i have my orders for the day placed... tell me more reasons why EVERYBODY should give UC their money...LOL
Perhaps it's the same reason you gave and continue to give him your money
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that was rude and i apologise. if i really thought you all were hopeless, i wouldn't be trying to "save" you.
the fact add up pretty bad here guys...history is bad here.... the shells are not trading... been watching.... you have to pay hiow much to sell the dividends???? the patterns are following an age old dilution plan....
i've seen a lot of this, it's time to move on to some companies that are really trying to achieve some work... not paper shuffling and selling shares.....
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PR TIME................. I am getting tired of O/S talk I am getting tired of meeting talk I am getting tired of Paltalk I am getting tired of dividend talk I am getting tired of Rodger Glenn talk
quote:Originally posted by Justhis1ce: Perhaps it's the same reason you gave and continue to give him your money
no, you can read thru my posts..never bought any, not going to right now.. if they show evidence that is verifiable that they have cleaned up their act i "MIGHT", but it would have to be in a FILING company...
and the NASD might have a few problems with UC giving shares away to pumpers so that would have to be straightened out first.. i can just see the filing now
under expenses 3 million$ dollars adverising...LOL for a funny car.... of course, if they have REVENUE, that would be FANTASTIC... so far the only revenue they have POSTED is sales of shares...LOL
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I think we've all had enough converstation with gman. Let's change the subject to somthing pleasant. With tomorrow being the 20th, does anybody feel there will be a flucuation with investors buying. Do you think those that wanted the UCAD dividend will stay long? Will this have a negative impact on Sept 24th also? Dedicated Long w/CMKX...........
------------------ Remember to pray for our service members everywhere.
"if i really thought you all were hopeless, i wouldn't be trying to "save" you."
Why on Earth do you feel it is necessary to 'save' me in anyway?
Infact if you want to help me, send me some Cash... otherwise don't offer me help, infact if I was on fire, I wouldn't let you piss on me to put it out...
NONE OF US ASKED FOR YOUR HELP... Hence we don't want it.
Each of us feel that you are not qualified to teach or show us anything that would affect our outcome play of this stock...
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so let's talk facts.... do you think it a good thing that there are shares enough to "give away"???? hmmm... i'm beginnning to wonder if there aren't a few more in the float than we suspect...LOL
if UC is giving them away, i would suggest to you that HE IS TELLING YOU WHAT THEY ARE WORTH
actions speak louder than words....
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Seriously if you don't have any of this stock why are you wasting your life trying to prove it wrong? I will now ask that anyone that has any kind of knowledge or brains of any sort, please ignore this sorry excuse for informative help and move on to something that we all might benefit from. Seriously I am mad at the time of my life that has been wasted on this imbecile. You are absolutely no help to this board at all please leave! If we miss you we will call, but I highly doubt it so don’t cross your fingers. That also would require you remove them from the orifice south of your face to cross them though, so I guess we can’t expect that to happen.
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glassman We don't need to be told how much they are worth. They are worth .0004 or, occasionally, .0003. Down the road that value will change. Measure your words.
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