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Posted by: zeninvestor32
In reply to: None Date:8/13/2004 9:33:36 PM
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MY THOUGHTS 8/13

If you missed it before, this post linked below is probably one of the best I've read in the past week. The conclusion is so true: the whole point of what is happening is not to destroy the De Beers cartel or the Naked Short universe, but rather to establish the Casavant empire. Yes, in the end, we may become a major competitor with De Beers and yes, in the end, we may be the trigger for a sweeping wave of changes in the way the SEC and DTC handle naked shorting, but before any of that happens, first and foremost our focus must be the creation of our own empire (a bit tricky in the sense that we need to break the short position here IMO to obtain real value and create the empire -- but that is merely microcosmic, i.e., Roger's goal is not to bring down all of naked shorting or become the main focal point for Stockgate). With that in mind, there is no doubt that this is no cookie-cutter process. In fact, it's never been grappled with ever before as far as I know. So it's an organic process that probably is involving quite a bit of adjustment. The GOOD news is that the big meeting planned in Canada is ongoing and is happening well in advance of the dividends about to flow. I do expect great things over the next 2-3 weeks.
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKX&read=471084

Other comments of note:

1. Most have seen the beta website. But have you seen the other website being planned (link below)? It looks like Urban is planning an entirely separate site for a fully integrated marketing plan with the CMKM brand, bringing racing, investments and diamonds all together. I'm telling you this, IMO you don't put something so in-your-face like a full fledged racing car, a customized visa card, and a full-blown CMKM Network site out there unless you plan on following this up with a company showing MAJOR success. I just do NOT believe Roger would permit Urban to prance around spending all this time and money marketing without knowing that there will be PLENTY to back it. I could be wrong (and personally I disagree with the philosophy of doing this BEFORE your company's share price has reflected success), but if Urban shows me the money in the near future, I will look back and say "Kudos to you Urban. You put pieces in place that will now create and foster a shareholder base of infinite excitement and possibilities." If we've got the mother of all properties to back what is happening, then this will not only be the most financially successful investment in our lifetime but it will be the most exciting and rewarding investment on every level possible. Urban still has to deliver but if he does, investing in CMKX will be the single greatest decision I have ever made in my life.

(CMKM Network link: http://cmkmnet.dev.digitalearthmedia.com )

2. I just had to laugh my BUTT off at the angles the bashers tried to take towards O'Quinn's recent filings against naked shorting. Just a month ago, it was "O'Quinn has walked away from all these cases." and now the spin is "Oh, that's just a death spiral convertible case which is different even if it did involve naked shorting. The company brought that on itself." Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. So I guess murderers should be classified in two categories: 1) those that murder people in pure cold blood, and 2) those that murder people who stupidly or mistakenly walk into a bad part of town when they should have known better. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. But hey, what do you expect from bashers when all along they have bashed stocks that have ultimately helped the naked shorting continue.

3. BIG PREDICTION HERE: I am sensing a MAJOR shift in basher philosophy. They have exhausted their arguments in the categories of share structure, Urban's past, claiming no naked shorting and claiming dilution/reverse split. I sense a very serious shift in their approach now. Subtly, the argument has now transitioned into the following: Urban MAY have something worth mining but it is going to take years and years and years before that can ever truly be shown. Now that they've exhausted their other arguments and selling is no longer happening, they will try to appeal to your impatience. They know that most all of the money that ever goes into pinks/otcs is "hot" money, i.e., money from impatient investors that want a big score quickly. They know that if it takes too long for this hot money to start rolling, people will move on. So now, we see TSXMiner concede there MAY be something worth mining here but we'll now get the story of just how long it's going to take before that can ever be confirmed. Now that Shore Gold is starting to prove itself in a big way, it's hard to maintain what they were saying a month ago (that FALC was unproven and probably not worth anything). So now it becomes a subtle but significant shift towards adding pain to shareholders by trying to convince them that the wait could be YEARS. I won't go into the multitude of reasons why I believe this is NOT the case. If you've been following CMKX for the past month, you already know them all. It begins with the naked shorting IMO and ends IMO with some very big reasons why our great potential will be seen by all, including some major players. Watch as the bashers all embrace the concept of "ok, there may be something here, but with all those shares and all the time it will take, is this where you want your money?" An effective technique IMO. But one IMO that will get blown out of the water soon.

I hope everyone has a great weekend planned. I'd give anything to be a fly on the wall at the meetings in Saskatchewan this weekend. Soon enough I think we'll know what Roger and Urban's plan is.


Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.


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Will,

Maybe that was the surprise and he thinks it's April 1st instead of Fri. the 13th.


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No posts since last night? Have we finally talked, DD'd, argued, discussed and generally worked the available information to death?

It's definitely time for a real PR if this thread is going to keep going forward.

At least we are quiet here. The unofficaial board is breaking down and moderators are being banned, setting up their own CMKX boards or going over to PalTalk. We're going to lose a lot of good postings from that site.

The CMKX Christian Trader site is the only one where there is no fighting going on now.

Don't know if it is all frustration, bashers, or a combination of both. But hopefully we will be getting good news no later than Tuesday after the meeting breaks up and Roger heads home.

In the meantime, everyone here is taking it all maturely so far. Let's keep up with patience. It will be rewarded.


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i'm not a big believer in the naked short theory. the main reason is just as he stated the goods are there. naked shorting's idea is for the company to go bankrupt thus mm's never have to cover. with all that has been found in the falc area and the long time spent at .0004 i believe anything that was naked has clothes now. i think the mm's know that anyone holding cmkx on the 20th will not sell before they see ucad shares in their accounts and since this date is after the cim shares are due and since they can't buy cim shares to cover i believe they have been covering and helping each other by holding the pps down. doing this is much easier when the o/s is 483 billion. yet i could be just as easily wrong as right. i believe we will find out either way before the sept 24th deadline. maybe UC will let out a big pr early this week thus allowing the mm's to let the pps raise without exposing the naked short and getting any shares needed sold if they aren't already covered.
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This from RB


By: snatch_and_grab1
14 Aug 2004, 10:31 AM EDT
Msg. 65039 of 65053
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My Take: After many weeks of negotiations and manuver, Roger has just about completed his task of having us become a completely reporting co. and moving to a higher exchange. I think it will be the American Exchange. My belief is that Roger sent a message to mm's to cover or else. They have covered what they can, but have in no way completed the hugh task. We will win this war because the mm's, dtc, and offshore hedge funds, have committed fraud, and cannot do anything about the inevitable.

I believe UC has sold two or three claims. IMO, the company will pay the shareholders two cash dividends, to be completely funded by the company. So, this will not hurt the mm's. But wait, the next chess move will come in a few weeks. The market makers may choose to not have the stock move again, it will be a choice that they make, but imo, the real value is coming down the road in the form of VALUATION, of the current pipe we are drilling, and future anomolies we own. Should the valuation be 1 to 2 Trillion $$$, the mm's will have no choice, and the result will be this.

1. The cash dividends will cause utter unbelief in the marketplace. People worldwide will want a piece of CMKX, and guess what, the current shareholders will be pouncing on it again as well. The mm's will keep it as low as they can.

2. The property valuation comes out, and almost instantly a gap to dollars will happen.

For those who don't have level11. SBSH was on the bid from 11:30 until the close on thursday the 12th. At the same time, he was on the ask at $4.00. Friday, he was quiet. Notice that CitiBank bought a ''DIRIVITIVE'' arm of NITE. If i am not mistaken, dirivitive means pink sheets and pennies in the marketplace. So, taking a big position on Thurs. 12th would settle on 17th, which is perfect timing for payout of dividends, I congradulate DDPRO for finding the regulation which states that a cash dividend can be rewarded one day before x dividend, as a surprise. Keep your fingers crossed, this could happen!!

Finally, the puzzle of all the jv's and future dividends will be unfolded. CIM will be unfolded, and we shareholders will be astonished. The party in Vegas will be a thrill. The VISA card will end up being a genius plan. Imagine this. Thousands of millionares putting their money in a card to use to buy things, and to use very proudly, each one telling their own special tale of fortune with regard to how they received their card. All the while, cmkx makes revenues. Pure Genius.


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By: Uhitit
14 Aug 2004, 10:20 AM EDT
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Regarding whether the mm,s have covered their shorts. I believe they are almost done. The vol recently has been low. However if we see huge vol next week with no price rise then then we know that they are covering big time. If we we get pr'd before the opening bell with some real concrete news, like cash divi,company restructure for the new exchange and the vol is huge then the "ultimate Short Squeeze" is on. Of course the pps might not rise immediately (mm tactic) but it will rise. Bottom line is for me they are going to big board, the company structure has to change and pps rise to get us there. It is possible that we could go to 03 immediately (alot of people will sell)mm's take it down 50% and then watch it shoot up past $5. Remember though it has to stay at a certain price for 30 days in-order for us to go to say nyse.(part of the qualification criteria) If uc did let the mm's cover, you can be assured they are going to keep the price where we will qualify. Guys we have not even started to see maniputlation yet. Wait till your acct is bulging with cash one day and the next it's gone. Nerves of Steel time.Anyhow i am rambling good luck to all.


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With the discussions on dividends, it's always a good idea to review company policy.


By: my69z
14 Aug 2004, 09:44 AM EDT
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CMKIs' 10% net dividend pr's...


Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces its Annual General Meeting
Business Wire, Dec 30, 2002

Business Editors

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 30, 2002

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (OTCBB:CMKI) will be holding its annual general meeting Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at the Sunset Station 1301 W Sunset Rd., Henderson, Nevada, beginning at 10:30 AM for the election of directors and matters pertaining to acquisitions in addition to other business.

Please RSVP if you are planning to attend.

Casavant is a Nevada based company in the "conflict free" diamond mining business. Principal mining operations are located in Saskatchewan, Canada, encompassing a total land mass of approximately 1.9 million acres rich with diamondiferous kimberlite deposits. In addition to mining diamonds from its owned deposits the company will merchandise purchased diamonds under the "Casavant" brand name. Both retailers and consumers can place their trust that a "Casavant" brand name is conflict free.

Casavant has signed a letter of intent to purchase a producing diamond mine in Brazil and has targeted four acquisitions, which will become part of the company. In the first quarter of 2003, Casavant will declare capital stock dividends to shareholders of at least 8% of its holdings of each of the target acquisitions.

It is further anticipated in the third and fourth quarter of 2003 inclusive of the capital stock dividends, CMKI will pay 10% in cash dividends for three years. This will all be subject to approval at the shareholders meeting.

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This pr has a little more Divy info and i've only included the relevent parts..


Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces
Business Wire, Jan 7, 2003

Business Editors

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 7, 2003

* Fourth, CMKI, as previously announced, plans on approving at its majority shareholder meeting a mandatory share and cash dividend policy. The share dividend policy reflects the Company's acquisition strategy that identifies undervalued take-over targets in mineral resource and related businesses. The Company is currently evaluating 7 companies each of whom will benefit from new managerial economic assessment, asset appraisals, accounting peer review and legal restructuring.

* Fifth, CMKI believes that its shareholders and the targeted company's shareholders will best benefit from a "cross-dividend" policy. For example, if CMKI acquires a new target company in an exchange of shares, CMKI will pay its shareholders a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of shares exchanged with the new target company. The shareholders of the new target company will be treated with the same fairness and therefore will be entitled to receive a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of CMKI shares exchanged with the new target company. Since the mining and mineral resources business is highly fragmented, CMKI believes that its acquisition strategy will provide a way to leverage its assets into a larger more diversified portfolio of companies.

* Sixth, CMKI believes that its cross-dividend policy will result in share dividends being issued in the 3Q03. The legal audit of its shareholders of record will speed up this process. Further, CMKI has structured its mandatory 10% cash dividend policy (which is based on its net earnings) to benefit those shareholders of record on the declared dividend date.


COPYRIGHT 2003 Business Wire


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Man noahltl, you sure are up early this morning. I don't post much, just lurk and enjoy reading everyones thoughts. I know that it will take years for this mining to work itself out, but who really knows how high it can go within a year if they show there are plenty of diamonds and other minerals up there. Hope all goes well and we see some positive news within the next few weeks and months.

Dave


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Here is a post of mine from elsewhere. The 483 billion can't be right. No way no how. Period.

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Bashtard, the Os was never published. You keep saying the OS is 500 billion. Did you realize that has never been published. All that was posted was the dividend from UCAD of .0000155/sh.

The 483 billion was speculation based on the hypothesis that all of the 7.7 million UCAD shares would be given to us. Not the 8% number.

Facts from the press release.

1. UC gets zero, the Jan 2003 press release said the 8% dividend would be for investors.

That means that for .0000155 to be right for 483 billion shares, then all 483 billion would be owned by shareholders. The most UC could own would be 17 billion. In that case he would not be a majority holder and would be taken over in a heartbeat.

Can you buy that? If you can you are an idiot.


2. The other scenario is that 483 is right, but since UC owns most and he gets none, the total dividend, 483 X .0000155 would be distributed to us, in whick case we would get lots more than .0000155, because UC's shares would be divied up among us.

Since some brokers have already told their customers their dividend is .0000155, then it is obvious this isn't the case.


So bash, and all you who claim the OS is 483 billion based on the 7.7UCAD/.0000155 number,

explain how it is shareholders own 483 billion and UC only 17 billion. Until you can rationalize that for us we should ignore you as I have learned to do. This post is for those who might listen to you



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My response to the above posts on dividends and dividend policies has nothing to do with the person that posted the information...only with the company that released the PRs and what they stated.

Note that they said, "Casavant is a Nevada based company in the "conflict free" diamond mining business."

I know what that means as it applies to diamonds. However, when it comes to doing their diamond mining business they are not bashful about doing business that is not
"conflict free" - or arm's length in nature.

Also, "CMKI will pay 10% in cash dividends for 3 years subject to shareholder approval." Guess who controlled that vote?
Later, "Further, CMKI,...mandatory 10% cash dividend policy (which is based on its net earnings)...date" Was the net earnings addition an afterthought? Was a cash dividend ever paid? If never paid, what does that convey as to net earnings...big negative figure?

Where are the $$$s coming from for "funny cars", "visa cards", top law firm and smart attorney, trips and parties, not purchasing drilling rigs (which appear to be little different from a water well drilling rig),etc., etc.? If Casavant believes so much in shareholders and doing right by them, why doesn't he provide for a real shareholder's meeting where he does not vote or control the vote? There's no question in my mind that he still controls CMKX as well. These are questions (as well as others) all should be asking themselves and for which they are entitled to specific and in-depth answers. IMO


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Good one Brad.

Out of all the pumpers (yes, I said pumpers) , I like Zen's posts. Sterling's and Dr.D's sound way off some times.

Who knows.. may be they are all one and the same .. just kidding

I am out, have a nice weekend everyone!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brad:
[B]Posted by: zeninvestor32
In reply to: None Date:8/13/2004 9:33:36 PM
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MY THOUGHTS 8/13

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Just tuning back in here. Did anything ever come of Melvin's (reported) comment on Paltalk the other night to "drink some coffee"? I scanned the last few pages and nothing seems to have happened, but does anyone know what he meant? Thanks. Hope no one stayed up all night awaiting a PR.
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I am considering doubling my position on Monday or Tuesday, before the deadline. I was researching again the DD necessary to make an informed decision, and decided to share it with the board, while I was reviewing it. That was why I posted the old DD.

What UC and Roger are doing is "conflict free" for those of us who trust them. Conflict only comes from those who don't trust that Roger knows how to accomplish the most good for CMKX and by extension, the shareholders. And that anything worth having is worth waiting for.

When Urban issued the dividend PR's, he was setting "policy" for future dividends and informing shareholders what to anticipate in the future when drilling was complete and diamonds were being marketed. It may have nothing more to do with now, other than establishing what Urban's intentions were in sharing with the stockholders.

Where are the dollars coming from now. In a previous post, I mentioned that half of the AS sold at a minimum average price of .0005 would have resulted in over $125 million for the company. That would buy quite a few funny cars and more than compensate Roger. As well, he could have also bought back all the AS that was outstanding at .0001 for only 25 million of that, leaving him with 100 million for the purposes that he deemed important at the time.


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quote:
Originally posted by Bialystock:
Just tuning back in here. Did anything ever come of Melvin's (reported) comment on Paltalk the other night to "drink some coffee"? I scanned the last few pages and nothing seems to have happened, but does anyone know what he meant? Thanks. Hope no one stayed up all night awaiting a PR.


Absolutely nothing came of that comment. I wonder if he was talking about himself needing coffee to sober up. LOL I only have about a 20 - 25% trust factor for anything Melvin says, so I didn't wait up.


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Alot of shares were sold below .0001 too!!
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quote:
Originally posted by Bialystock:
Just tuning back in here. Did anything ever come of Melvin's (reported) comment on Paltalk the other night to "drink some coffee"? I scanned the last few pages and nothing seems to have happened, but does anyone know what he meant? Thanks. Hope no one stayed up all night awaiting a PR.

Nope, nothing was released or revealed. In hindsight, I think Melvin suggested drinking some coffee because that would be the only way you could stay up all night without having anything to do or read. Haha.


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On monday or tuesday (whenever my funds clear) I will be increasing my position 1.5x

I expect big things in the coming months, but that will be peanuts compared to what there is in stock for the long.

Im holding loooong... longer than most

GL to all, keep doing your DD and share it with the gang.
-Raz


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I purposely stated my response to the dividends post above so as not to get into a personal bout.

By all means, noahltl, please feel free to double your shares held.

UC and Co are not "conflict free". Conflict free when it comes to inside dealings with other companies he owns, in which he has controlling interests or are managed by his son are a a matter of "fact", not "trust". Such dealings are NOT CONFLICT FREE, trust or otherwise.

When those that PR about so-called dividend policies were specified it 12/30/2002 and it was stated that they were anticipated to be paid the 3rd and 4th Qtr of 2003? That is the past, not now. That release said nothing about "completed drilling" or diamonds being marketed" - assumption. Did he fulfill that prediction?

As to UC buying/selling his own stock or the company's stock, that is a broad assumption or speculation. Not known fact. Based upon what I have seen of his performance in both the present and the past, he his not about to give up his controlling interest(s) in any of the companies he owns or owned...unless it is meaningless gesture.
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As far as that guy Zen is concerned, there is no question as to where and what his venue is. And as far as his experience is concerned and that he knows more than someone else who posts on this thread, I guarantee you, that is not the case.
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noahltl, burdturd and Harry Har - you always seem to be so d*mn defensive about UC and CMKX. I understand you have a vested interest, but try to look at a few objective
(what all of you are calling "negative") facts.

That's it for now.

PS: By the way, thanks for bringing up the quack, quack again. Next time, how about doing the whole thing...I used different words.

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Thanks HarryH...

Get byrded? Don't mind if I do
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Razor congrats on getting 1.5 times your shares, or when you get them congrats

My nephew, niece and Brother in law are buying in this week as well, not a super amount, maybe like 100k or so for the kids and for him, he's getting like a million, or abouts...

Hopefully all goes well

I MAYBE able to send some money this week, but I am already down two work days this comming week , so I may just barely reach my goal of 4.1- 4.25 million ... There are always cans I can collect, right money_p hahahah

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Pharm, We salute you in your quest of defeating this Hurricane hahaha! Hopefully all is well with you and all you got was wind and rain! I hope your safe Mike!

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Hi Everyone, If you have a computer which can view video the one minute video on conflict diamonds from World Vision will quicly show you why laser inscribed diamonds from Canada will have a market for socially conscious consumers. I was very traumatized watching a longer version the staff at World Vision has in their training. When I watched the kimberliete special on televsion and then saw CMKX and that they were going ot market 'confilt free' diamonds. I knew I wanted to buy some of this stock. As I kept researching and thought it had good potential I bought a ton with the hopes to donate some CMKX long term stock and profits to World Vision. God Bless and Wallace I know you were kidding about the 'conflict' and I even think it is kind of funny. But I feel so passionately about this issue and want anyone who is unaware of what 'conflict diamond' trade does to view the video.-Debi

World Vision TV Spot on Conflict Diamonds
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What are conflict diamonds?

Conflict diamonds are diamonds that are used to purchase weapons in order to sustain violent conflict against innocent civilians. This scenario is applicable in two cases: 1) when armed opposition groups use diamonds to fund warfare against democratically elected governments; and/or 2) when armed groups or terrorist organizations use diamonds to purchase weapons to sustain campaigns of human rights abuses against civilians, in order gain and maintain control over people, territory and resources. Most notably, conflict diamonds origionate from the rebel controlled areas of Sierra Leone, Angola and throughout the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Congo-Kinshasa) in Africa.

What are the percentages of conflict diamonds?

There are no exact statistics. The diamond industry estimates 4%, but consumer advocates believe that conflict diamonds make up as much as 10-15% of the world's diamond supply. Think of how much you pay for a diamond. One diamond alone can purchase many weapons.

How complicit is the diamond industry in the trade in conflict diamonds? What should the industry be doing about conflict diamonds?

On paper, the world diamond industry has acknowledged that conflict diamonds are, indeed, a problem, and in July of 2000, they released a proposal to address this. The world industry has put forth proposals, but the American diamond industry can do more by contacting Congress and the White House, and actively lobbying for the enactment of S. 2027, the Clean Diamond Trade Act.

What is being done to address the issue?

Conflict diamonds are an international commodity that requires an international solution. Strong efforts by the major diamond producing, polishing and trading countries have resulted in an international agreement known as the Kimberley Process, in which the U.S. is a participant. The Kimberley Process is an attempt to establish a global diamond certification system that aims to create a "clean stream" of diamonds.

So what can Americans do about conflict diamonds?

Americans purchase 65% of the world's gem quality diamonds; because of this, Americans have the market power to stop conflict diamonds.

First, When you go to purchase diamond jewelry, ask your jeweler "what country do your diamonds come from?" Currently, a jeweler will not be able to answer this question; if he or she does tell you a country of origin, they are lying. Jewelers are influential people, but customers have influence over the jewelers. As more and more consumers ask this question, jewelers are pressured to demand that their diamond suppliers set up a certifiable chain of warranties. Through this certification process, jewelers and customers can be certain that they are not purchasing diamonds that fund the wholesale slaughter of innocent children, women and men.

Second, US consumers should simply ask their congressional representatives to they support The Clean Diamond Trade Act, S. 2027, sponsored by Sens. Dick Durbin, Mike DeWine, and Russ Feingold.

This legislation will do the following:

Based upon the international guidelines of the Kimberley Process, S. 2027 will specifiy a universally accepted certification standards for importing diamonds, which will create a "clean stream" of diamonds entering the US market.
S. 2027 will close the polished diamonds and jewelry loophole, which have not been addressed by the international system, so that potential smugglers will not launder conflict diamonds by superficially altering the stone as polished stone or jewelry.
S. 2027 will call for extensive reporting and monitoring of the international global diamond certification system.
S. 2027 will support tough penalties specified for those who are dealing in conflict diamonds. Contraband diamonds that are seized will go to the benefit victim's of war.
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Dying for a Diamond?
Unfortunately, Thousands of Children are too.


Scheme to End the Trade in Conflict Diamonds-
Regular Monitoring Not Agreed

Although progress was made within the Kimberley Process towards universal monitoring of the rough diamond trade, there are still no provisions for regular, impartial monitoring of all participants.

Top of the agenda at this week's meeting in Sun City was the critical issue of monitoring. NGOs, along with several countries and the World Diamond Council proposed a system of regular monitoring that could have covered all participating countries within 4 years.

NGOs were disappointed that this was not adopted. However, we recognize that the Plenary's endorsement of a system in which countries
could volunteer for review is a significant step forward.

NGOs are encouraged that a number of countries, including the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo (Brazzaville), volunteered for a monitoring review mission.

A system wide approach to monitoring and review is essential to the effectiveness and credibility of the Kimberley Process Certification System, for ending the trade in conflict diamonds and ensuring consumer confidence.

Stop the Trade in Conflict Diamonds
In many African countries, including Angola, Sierra Leone and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) diamonds have been, and are continuing to fund terrible human rights abuses either by insurgent groups or by unscrupulous governments who are equally brutal, to fuel conflict and carry out atrocities against innocent civilians .

In addition, concerns have mounted over links between conflict diamonds and money laundering by groups like Al-Qaeda since the September 11 2001 attacks. A recent report in the Financial Times of London estimated that Al-Qaeda might have laundered up to US$20 million in blood diamonds. At the same time, despite the signing of a peace agreement in the DRC, the battle to control and exploit resources like diamonds and the killings, rape and torture linked to these efforts still continue. Read more about the link between the sale of conflict diamonds and the financing of terrorism in the December 29th Washington Post article Report Says Africans Harbored Al Qaeda, Terror Assest Hidden in Gem-Buying Spree.

Decisive action must be taken, to protect innocent people, prevent con- sumers from unwittingly financing such groups and to protect a legitimate industry. The Kimberley Process is the first step in a long process. However, if it not reformed and it remains just a public relations ploy to rebuild consumer con- fidence tens of thousands of people around the world will remain at risk to human rights abuses either by armed groups or by "recognized" governments' and any- one who purchases a diamond could have blood on their hands.


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World Vision is a member of the Campaign to Eliminate Conflict Diamonds

World Vision Materials

Conflict Diamonds Background

Conflict Diamond FAQs

More About Conflict Diamonds

Congressional Statement of Rory E. Anderson, World Vision Africa Policy Advisor before the U.S. House of Representatives Trade Subcommittee of the Committee on Ways and Means

Conflict Diamonds Report Card on Progress - February 2002

International NGO Petition

Interfaith Statement on Conflict Diamonds.

Media Pieces on Conflict Diamonds
Global Diamonds Are Flawed Globe and Mail

World Vision TV Spot on Conflict Diamonds
A broadband connectionis advised. Click here to get the RealMedia Player for free.

Dr. Bob Arnot's Report on Conflict Diamonds MSNBC Dateline

Diamond Trade's Tragic Flaw The Washington Post

Al Qaeda Cash Tied to Diamond Trade The Washington Post


Action Tools
Tools of the Citizen Advocate

Voice Your Concern

Back to World Vision's Conflict Diamonds Home Page


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Hi, Here is the link to the page with the video. It also has links for the other resources. Video is Under the Media links and is called World Vision TV spot conflict diamonds. -Debi

www.worldvision.org/worldvision/wvususfo.nsf/stable/globalissues_conflictdiamonds_resources


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Debi, we all know what "conflict free diamonds" are. The topic was a "conflict free UC, CMKX and Co.", not the diamonds themselves.

Bye for now.


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WWJD:


Very good DD article...

Conflict Diamonds...

Yeah I am sure AL-Qaeda has been using diamonds too...
Offtopic:

However Afghanistan is home to the worlds biggest supply of cash crop: Opium...

Al Qaeda has a never ending supply of the worlds richest (as in purity) heroin...

It is pretty disgust how the Russian Mafia (which is a large collection of small groupls, clads almost, that operate in every town/province/state throughout the Fomer USSR...

It's pretty f*ed up, the heroin comes from Afghanistan where it is transported directly north through Tajikistan,khasikstan, ect or passes through Iran and up through AL-Qaeda's Chechen fighters who make up an early stage of the Russian Mafia (overall)... The heroin (which if a user in America were to take a single dosage unit ofwhat they take here in America, would kill them pretty quick... The heroin in Easter Europe, provided it hasen't been cut to the extreme, is like 5-8x stronger and purer...

The heroin is sold like for 300 or maybe even 500 for like a kilo in AFghanistan and as it makes its way to Moscow or Romania, its price jumps accordingly...

Beleive it or not, Many Chechen rebels, who are paert of Al Qeada, are also IV drug users since they are like contact number 3 or 4 with the drugs... As a result, HIV rates among many of the Chechen Muslim rebels are high due to their IV drug lifestyle... however many never knew about it and when they were in Afghanistan (from like 1998-2001) they passed it along to other IV drug users and also prosititues, who in turn passed it to other Taliban/Al Qaeda/Loal populations...

Pretty f*ed up, but there have been many whispers, and this comming from news agencies that HIV rates in parts of Afghanistan are much much large than expected because of the Chechen IV drug use...

What a sick situation... Sorry to say they al deserve to go... The russian Mafia also is one of the largest proliferators of Child pornography... They have systems that takes the girls off the streets when they are from 9-13, then when they reach over the age to take pictures, they force them into prositituion and controlled drug use... Sorry to bring down our days... I am just ranting...

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Wallace wrote: Debi, we all know what "conflict free diamonds" are. The topic was a "conflict free UC, CMKX and Co.", not the diamonds themselves.
Bye for now.

Debi had posted: Wallace I know you were kidding about the 'conflict' and I even think it is kind of funny. But I feel so passionately about this issue and want anyone who is unaware of what 'conflict diamond' trade does to view the video.-Debi


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quote:
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No posts since last night? Have we finally talked, DD'd, argued, discussed and generally worked the available information to death?

It's definitely time for a real PR if this thread is going to keep going forward.

At least we are quiet here. The unofficaial board is breaking down and moderators are being banned, setting up their own CMKX boards or going over to PalTalk. We're going to lose a lot of good postings from that site.

The CMKX Christian Trader site is the only one where there is no fighting going on now.

Don't know if it is all frustration, bashers, or a combination of both. But hopefully we will be getting good news no later than Tuesday after the meeting breaks up and Roger heads home.

In the meantime, everyone here is taking it all maturely so far. Let's keep up with patience. It will be rewarded.


The point of posting this was to congratulate everyone on the maturity level being shown here. It wasn't a challenge to anyone to try and reverse the trend. I was trying to say that this thread might be better than some of the other ones. Too bad we still have some that just can't enjoy peaceful, quiet discussion of this stock.

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Hi Byrd, Noah, All, I was discussing different CMKX scenarios via Private Message on another board yesterday with a poster/friend. We came up with some very interesting possibilities and I said WOW, this is the kind of discussion we should have been having on the Allstocks board. Unfortunately, the discussions about the company kept getting sidetracked by personal arguments. If you don't want to read someones posts or think they are bashing or pumping just ignore them and make the points you want to. When they are based on facts released via PR or other DD; and linked by common sense and things known to be occurring people will recognize that and hopefully everyone will be the beneficiary of those posts. I need to get back to my taxes. Have a great day and maybe I can reward myself with a break later. IMO-Debi
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Debi, I was not kidding one bit about the "conflicts of interest" involved with UC, CMKX and Co.


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Good post Debi,

My biggest objection, is that everytime someone posts an opinion, there is someone ready to jump down their throats. I was on a PM with a lurker this morning who refused to post here out of fear of being attacked or ridiculed. That's a shame, because many who feel that way may have a very good idea, or valid opinion that could help us with the riddle of CMKX. But the bashing and personal attacks thwart that kind of open discussion here.

Are we getting better. No!!!! We have people charging others with being liars. Someone else tracking down the true identity of a poster so he can call the police. Stir, stir, stir. All b.s. and all childish. If we have 'professional' investors here then start acting like it.


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CMKX's GRAND SCOPE! Time to zero in!
Thread started on: Today at 2:23pm

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It all started with the naked shorters....

Ever since whenever the naked shorters first started in on CMKX the PPS started droping. They effectively CELLAR BOXED CMKX at no bid and .0001 ask. The shorters kept it there for quite some time. It wasn't until soon before Roger Glenn that it started to rise. It rose up to .0012 and then got TAKEN DOWN again by the shorters. The whole time during this process CMKX's O/S and Value have never been known which allowed more so for these activities to take place. Now, it's months later, we find ourselves in a rut, or so it seems. Yes, there is the ever present KNOWING that we are on the verge of something huge, and I totally feel it. But, what pre tell are these shorters still doing at .0003/.0004. NITE has been suid more times then I can remember in the last month and it's anyone's guess if the shorters are still shorting or not.

When I look back to what Urban has done to SHAKE the naked shorters and MAKE THEM cover, I see he has attempted to do so by:
-Name, CUSIP, symbol changes
-An array of dividends
-Hiring Roger Glenn
-Releasing diamondferious, survery news

As far as any of us shareholders can tell, NONE of it worked. Assuming WE see 90%+ buys and 10%- sells EVERYDAY, in our minds we can only come to the conclusion that the naked shorters are still at it. Why in the world, SO close to the dividend dates and knowing CMKX's great position, would the naked shorters KEEP doing so? Is it that there is a HUGE O/S, highly unlikely as both Urban and Melvin state there is STILL a shorting problem. Is it that the MMs are waiting to the last second? Maybe, but unlikely because the record date is fast approaching. So what is it?

I see 2 options:
1. The MMs are going to just naked short CMKX to oblivion well into and up to the payout dates for the dividends and when they can't pay the UCAD or CIM or GEMM shares then they will make the shareholders take them to the courts. This would no doubt PROBABLY leave them ahead in the long run, moneywise. I hope this isn't the case, but I got 100% certs in case it is.
2. The MMs are working WITH CMKX in a FORCED sense to COVER and they are HIDING their actions by making it seem like everything is going through at the ASK. This would allow for activities no one would see happening. Perhaps they are paying up so to say, and both are working together to see that the MARKET stays stable during this HUGE cover. All the while Urban is retiring shares. Who knows.


This brings me to the next subject, the MEETING and WHO is there right now.

Many are speculating that a HUGE merger or a buyout is being brought up at the meeting. IF this were the case then why would CMKX issue all those dividends? Kind of pointless right? Not unless the dividends were a tactic by Urban to MAKE the shorters cover. It SEEMS that if it was a tactic to force a cover then it seems to not have worked. So, going on the merger/buyout speculation one might say that this meeting was called to enact Urban's last stand which is to TOTALLY FORCE the shorters to cover via a tender offer or merger.

Well, a merger/buyout is good and all, but that doesn't seem to be the case when you analyze everything that has happend thus far.

You have Urban stating to read the old PRs, meaning his PLAN has never changed. You have Urban investing heavily in the CASAVANT/CMKX namesake in the form of racing and advertising. You have Urban stating that he wants to sell diamonds under the Casavant name. You have Urban and Melvin stating that they are still retiring shares and battling the shorting problem. You have Roger Glenn stating that he is making CMKX a reporting company on a new exchange.

That all there leads one to believe that whatever comes out of this MEETING:
1. Certainly won't be a buyout from ANOTHER company unless Urban could keep the CASAVANT name when he eventually sells diamonds.
2. Certainly won't be a merger of CMKX INTO ANOTHER company, but a merger INTO CMKX OF the other companies is sure a possibility.
3. Certainly COULD be a tender off by Urban and a later IPO on another exchange. From what I hear, it's easier that way.

Analyzing what might be happening at the MEETING more, leads me to believe that CMKX is gonna be around for a LONG time and that Urban will do anything to see that that happens.

I feel what MIGHT happen is this:
1. There might be a cash dividend with monies coming from the sale of some claims coming VERY soon for us all.
2. There won't be a merger but COULD be a buyout by Urban to later take us private.
3. We will see much heavier integration of CMKX, UCAD, GEMM, with the POSSIBILITY that one or all or some of those other companies would MERGE INTO CMKX, not the other way around.
4. We all have at LEAST some REAL nice 'pocket change' come the end of October Party.


Well, that is certainly my longest post, lol. I just wanted to get the 'basic' outline of some of my thoughts about CMKX out there. Get some people's wheels turnin! Insight some constructive criticism or ideas. This is all just IMHO. Take it all as free speculation.

Another thing, I'd openly like to say, if you need another MOD Canuck I would certainly help you out, just PM ME if need be. Thanks

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The stock and the company please... Getting real tired of it...
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Has anyone looked at the claims in the
Saskatchewan area? I mean something other
than those maps that are prepared?

suggest you visit www. ir . gov . sk . ca
of course take out the spaces...

Then download all of the claims...

I did not see a single claim under Urban..
Casavant... CM**... anything... I saw debeers..
shoregold... Nevada Minerals to name a few...

I have been researching mineral rights in
Canada. (Those who have been thinking that
our claims might cover Oil or Gas... need to
come up with another Dream... falls into a
different category.)


Anyway... another piece of the puzzle.


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Went through the governments claims...
I see claims up through the end of July.

I do not see anywhere where CMKX or
Saskatchewan Ltd is registerd 60%
ownership of any of Nevada Minerals Inc
claims as stated in the PR of 26 July.

I see claims by JNR on the 27th being filed.

I also see cases where different percentages
are owned by different parties...

So I do not understand how all of this
manuvering can take place without any
ownership registered with the government...




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Shadow -I don't know what you were looking at but I will provide an interactive map link for Saskatchewan that you can click any point on the map and it gives up to date info. Claims are added to, transferred, lapsed on purpose or by neglect every week. Each area you click on will list how many companies are in the area. How many new claims have been filed and how many lapsed.
http://www.explorationgis.com/products.html


If you know your way around a map of Saskatchewan this is fun to work with.

I have no doubt that UC and company are on top of things. He has been staking claims for a long time and knows what they hold. The meetings are in Canada this week with Roger Glenn (the excellent lawyer who represents our largest shareholders interests and therefore ours) and many other mining parties. I think we will only have to wait until the conclusion of this meeting to have more answers than questions for a change. IMO-Debi


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http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=22223909&brk=1

The above link came from Investors.com. The Lundin Group's name has been thrown around. This company (CMKX) is ripe for a buyout or merger. Stay tuned. Hold, people...we're going to be shocked..IMO.

PS...Hello to all.


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