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at 340m/s a sound wave would reach a sensor 0.2 m distant in ~ .00006 sec wouldn't it? lets assume the technology makes the actual entry input 1000 times slower (probably much faster). that is 17 entries per second. aren't we talking about words per minute entered by human fingers? fat and thin fingers with long or short fingernails. breaking light beams and causing false clicks in bright or noisey conditions. it's virgin territory, and the vkb will certainly be watched by the public and by any company that might want to find it's own way into the market.
maybe i need a more detailed understanding but the mind boggling technology i can buy for under 100 dollars, like gps which can tell me where i am and how fast i'm moving in which direction from outerspace gives me faith when intel is interested so am i, or at least i take notice. i understand the differences in these technologies. sound vs radio vs light.
i'd bet there were some tests of wpm counts done with both technologies. also since this is going to be for the vast majority of users, a visual instead of tactile keyboard. i would doubt a 60 wpm typist would achieve the same speed on a virtual keyboard. at least not yet.
kudos on your background, and thanks for your response. i found it very interesting and helpful. i am sorry if you took offence at my questioning your technical expertise. i am possibly all wet in the above calculations, but i am in good company if i am. bill gates. both of these technologies are yet to be proven in the public's hands and in various scenarios. in the mean time, since this is stock discussion dealing investments i will continue to try to add information as i find it.
i think we both want to see ibzt go up, and i don't disagree that ibzt has great potential. but since it seems to like the .04-.05 channel for now, i believe there is much more involved here than an issue of which virtual keyboard might be viable or not. ibzt themselves are quite aware of the risks and their tenuous position in the tech sector and with their license to sell the vkb technology.
i suggest all read the 10ksb to see what you all think of it. please notice the caveats at the beginning and the bonuses and 25 % ownership of ibzt common shares by shilling and perkins, toward the end. nobody is better positioned for an increased share price than them. this 10ksb left me with many questions. and i found no definitive info re the license agreement with vkb. i really would be interested.
pl, my low buy was .0022. i don't remember it hitting .0015 since i have been trading it. and i sold all of the way from ~ .009 to .08 to generate free shares and take profit. i am a formula trader. i am not smart enough to make a consistant profit otherwise.
peace and prosperity.
uncle milty
quote:Originally posted by PL: well 1000 post 35 yrs investing super wise having 2 mill free shares bought at .0015 - .0025 old mullet,
I think any average kid would know that the speed of sound is approximately 340m/s whereas the speed of light is 30000000m/s. For the benefit of other readers, and NOT for you alone, I'll explain.
Canesta's product depends on sound input to determine its position. First, it'll have to wait for the sensor to pick up the sound waves and then determine its position through calculating the distance between the origin of the sound waves and the sensor. Sound waves are not as clear cut in calculation as light waves. Any sound source could create interference waves and therefore affect the sensor's accuracy. I am almost certain that if one is to use the Canesta's keyboard on an airplane, it would not work. IF you don't tap hard enough for the sensor to pick up the sound, it might not even recognize it. Tell me, tapping hard at every key you enter for oh.. lets say 30 mins... will your old fingers get sore, mullet? After determining the position, it has to match the distance calculated with an input array before finally determining which input character is relevant and then send that character to output.
VKB's keyboard uses lasers, which is oh.. only about close to 1 million times faster than sound. When the finger breaks the laser grid, it'll be picked up by the CMOS sensor, and directly matches it with the input character for output. This is the case due to the fact that every grid can be preprogrammed to match every character or command. In computer engineering terms, it acts as an "Interrupt". Every key grid is independent, and any break in the grid creates an interrupt and immediately the process to send the corresponding letter to output is achieved. Its kind of like the motion sensors used in security systems. You break the laser's pathway, an alarm sounds. Thus, input and output is almost instantaneous. On top of that, you do not need to worry about fuzzy logic calculations for sound waves as light waves are almost as simple as 1 and 0. 0 for off, 1 for on. You break the grid, it's on. You don't break the grid, it's off. Less variables, more accuracy. If one argues that there are interference waves for light as well and that will also affect accuracy in the CMOS sensor, I have to agree. But to create that magnitude of interference, one will have to create magnetic waves strong enough to bend light such that the grid sensors are out of sync. If that happens, I seriously doubt that any electronic appliance in your home will even work.
If you disagree with what I am saying mullet, go get a PH.D in computer engineering before posting another message on the technical aspects of the virtual keyboard.
I hope my post will benefit other readers.
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Personally I find the time delay between a light and a sound detector rather irrelevent. 300m/s=984.249ft/s which means 1 foot (avg distance in pictures) is about .001016 seconds away. On the flip side 300000000m/s=984249000ft/s which means 1 foot is about .000000001016 seconds away> Now while this is a significant difference in time, when you consider that a 1Gig processor completes a particular function in .000000001 seconds my math still comes up with a sensed change in a little less than 1 thousandth of a second. Sorry, I only have an associates degree in engineering but I find the significance of $16M in capital investment more important that 1/1000 of a second. Furthermore There isn't a little microphone picking up taps it is better described as a radar reflective receiver similar to sonar-more than likely operating at a very high frequency and undisturbed by ambient sound. My understanding is that the VKB uses a laser to display the keyboard but uses IR in a similar manor to detect distance and position. While ambient light probably won't effect the IR sensing ability if you can't see the display due to ambient light it doesn't matter much. The good news is that both of these products will have this issue. Back off the Mullet he has provided much more valuable DD to this group than your phD. I like this group for constuctive info if you feel the need to be arrogant, take it over to Raging Bull you'll be right at home. May God bless our education system!
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Oilman, you need to read that article very carefully and comprehend what is truly taking place. This news media spin on this experiment is incorrect.
What is happening is not freezing light but rather creating a switch which blocks or allows passage of light based upon harmonic frequencies; an on-off switch.
At one point, the author indicated previously injected light is bumped out by injection of additional light. This is inertia transfer, which has nothing to do with "freezing." This concept is easily exemplified during the course of a game of billiards.
Nonetheless, the reporter's writing is lacking technical correctness.
Any comments you would share on this recent SEC filing by Ibiz?
quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: Light "could" be frozen?
I am enjoying all these new Universal Laws you are creating.
Perhaps you are confusing our ability to "freeze" electricity within solidified hydrogen?
Your battle. Right. Why do not you just go away and stay away. If you had any intel you would have read our past post and found out this has all been discussed in detail. But, you want because you just are here to piss people off. Just go away and leave IBZT to the IBZT investors. You add absolutely nothing to the thread except your total ignorant statements. I am sure no one else wants to here your mouth on this thread. Well let me back off on that. There is always one fool. Eat MONSTERS Eat
PL, have any comments you would share about this recent Ibiz filing?
Purl Gurl
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Did you look at the patents and compare them carefully Hooter? For your info, all I wanted to do was to share an objective view into Canesta VS VKB. If you feel that speed is not an issue, nor is the sonar (are you saying that sonar detection doesn't require amplitude in sound waves?), what can I say? Also, for your info, mullet took it to me, I didn't initiate it. Lastly, this will be my last post.
Good luck Bart and Bo.
quote:Originally posted by Hooter: Personally I find the time delay between a light and a sound detector rather irrelevent. 300m/s=984.249ft/s which means 1 foot (avg distance in pictures) is about .001016 seconds away. On the flip side 300000000m/s=984249000ft/s which means 1 foot is about .000000001016 seconds away> Now while this is a significant difference in time, when you consider that a 1Gig processor completes a particular function in .000000001 seconds my math still comes up with a sensed change in a little less than 1 thousandth of a second. Sorry, I only have an associates degree in engineering but I find the significance of $16M in capital investment more important that 1/1000 of a second. Furthermore There isn't a little microphone picking up taps it is better described as a radar reflective receiver similar to sonar-more than likely operating at a very high frequency and undisturbed by ambient sound. My understanding is that the VKB uses a laser to display the keyboard but uses IR in a similar manor to detect distance and position. While ambient light probably won't effect the IR sensing ability if you can't see the display due to ambient light it doesn't matter much. The good news is that both of these products will have this issue. Back off the Mullet he has provided much more valuable DD to this group than your phD. I like this group for constuctive info if you feel the need to be arrogant, take it over to Raging Bull you'll be right at home. May God bless our education system!
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I made my comments on the SEC filing maybe you should read the whole thread. We have yet to see DD supporting the asinine bankruptcy prediction.
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thanks wooter, my attempted point, but much better put. were talking about fingers not warp speed. and thank you for clarifying the sensor. i guess i was stating my point from a microphone technology standpoint since i'm singing into one several times a week. high frequency radar-----well, id still take a seat in front of the wing.
do you still have some ibzt wooter? it is hard to discuss this rationally when i really would like to have my 2 m remaining shares hit a buck. i would like to look in the mirror and tell myself how stupid i was for being a doubting thomas. well maybe some day. no hurry.
uncle milty
quote:Originally posted by Hooter: Personally I find the time delay between a light and a sound detector rather irrelevent. 300m/s=984.249ft/s which means 1 foot (avg distance in pictures) is about .001016 seconds away. On the flip side 300000000m/s=984249000ft/s which means 1 foot is about .000000001016 seconds away> Now while this is a significant difference in time, when you consider that a 1Gig processor completes a particular function in .000000001 seconds my math still comes up with a sensed change in a little less than 1 thousandth of a second. Sorry, I only have an associates degree in engineering but I find the significance of $16M in capital investment more important that 1/1000 of a second. Furthermore There isn't a little microphone picking up taps it is better described as a radar reflective receiver similar to sonar-more than likely operating at a very high frequency and undisturbed by ambient sound. My understanding is that the VKB uses a laser to display the keyboard but uses IR in a similar manor to detect distance and position. While ambient light probably won't effect the IR sensing ability if you can't see the display due to ambient light it doesn't matter much. The good news is that both of these products will have this issue. Back off the Mullet he has provided much more valuable DD to this group than your phD. I like this group for constuctive info if you feel the need to be arrogant, take it over to Raging Bull you'll be right at home. May God bless our education system!
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I did not predict bankruptcy, you did. My comments where based on actual analysis of the company operations, as well as the ability of the company to capitalize within the horizontal and vertical sectors of it's market space.
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VERY INTERESTING!!!! just when we thought we had the best mousetrap, someone rethinks the whole thing. modern day einsteins.
pl thanks for the link. i have a good friend at jpl, but in the mars program. we have had some very interesting fishing trips. not the typical fishing conversation.
uncle milty
quote:Originally posted by OilMan: Purl, Before you get a rock chunked at your glass house, would you care to explain in depth exactly what qualifys this company for protection und U.S. Fedral Bankruptcy court? And FYI>>>>>>>>>>..
January 18, 2001 Scientists Bring Light to Full Stop, Hold It, Then Send It on Its Way By JAMES GLANZ
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Milty, I still have my original 75K. Small potatoes but quite a bit to me. I'm sure I pissed off some folks but I just didn't care for PL discounting Canesta based on less than stellar DD then waving his phD in challenge of any reply. While I don't see Canesta as any immediate threat I do believe it imperative to stay knowledgeable about every aspect of the competition. I'm in it for the long haul(1-3yrs) with the hope of turning something good but I also refuse to spend that time def dumb and blind. Sorry if I pissed folks off but I would really like to stick to the facts and leave the attacks on RB. OT 67Tele,74SG,86Strat+3Boxes figured you would appreciate that Milty!
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orig. posted by Purl Gurl _____________________________________________ Member posted February 16, 2004 21:03
I am rather surprised to not read any discussion of the most recent SEC filing made by IBZT. Appears to me IBZT is seriously flirting with bankruptcy. I am not suggesting this will happen but am suggesting all the precursors for Chapter 11 filing exist.
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Multi-Million losses,,,,,,,, ok investing in R&D, purchasing global license, paying for industrial shows, operations, financial consultants, and oh yes the light bill. Ok, you got me, I have been taking to the cleaners by a company with no corporate jets, no winter house in Florida, not even a company Ferrari. I hate it when a company has made a complete financial turn around and they award the key players with stock a stock bonus. Of course, I am sooooo stupid, they want to use all those stocks for wall paper in there new doublewide mobile home! I am soooo enlightened! Oh wait there is more, just 1 little ole order from Circuit City. Well since it appears you have never held a job at the executive level of a corporation I will let you in on a little secret. When a major company makes a large purchase or moves into a unique market 9 out of 10 times they will not give you permission for a press release. This is a common practice to avoid showing the competition where your market moves are. I am sure you saw that AT&T purchased I-Mode license from NTDOKIMO in April 1999, oh wait they did not get a press release on it until March 2002. And that big announcement that Wal-Mart had purchased rights to sale music over the Internet in June of 1998, ooops I did it again, we heard about it Q4 2002. One loophole in the sales blanket, you are almost always allowed to list them as a "business partner", so take a click on over to Ibiz Corp web site and check out the list. If you are going to invest based on good business reconstruction I suggest you go take a few business classes.
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I feel so small now... Everyone is talking in their MILLIONS of shares... I only got 15K shares... Wish I bought it back in January... But I was smart enough to get it at its highest... LOL!
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Thank you Brincher, and Purl before you say anything explain precursors for Chapter 11. If it is referring to bonuses awarded to executives you are off your rocker. Even the perception of a move like that before a bankruptcy will place you in silver bracelets.
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From another board. I've read ROcket Scientists' posts for a long while - and he seems credible. But as always - do your own DD and NEVER rely on message board postings as the reason you buy a stock.
Good luck - Steve
By: rocket_scientist3 17 Feb 2004, 03:25 PM EST Msg. 178251 of 178444 Jump to msg. # (Re-post) Here's a copy of the email from Ken Schilling
as well as a copy of the original email sent to him. The only thing altered is "X"-ing out the original emailer's name for privacy's sake. Enjoy!
Here's the original email sent to Ken:
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:33:37 -0800 (PST) From: "XXXXXXXXXXXXX" Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Subject: PLEASE respond to these shareholder concerns To: ken@ibizcorp.com
Dear Mr. Schilling:
I am a currect stockholder of IBZT. I've sent emails all over the globe trying to get answers to some very basic questions regarding iBIZ, all to no avail. I finally decided to go straight to the top for answers -- that means asking you, the CEO.
There is a tremendous amount of conflicting information being passed around regarding the Virtual Keyboard and the spinoff of iBIZ. I would deeply appreciate it if you would answer a few simple questions that will put an end to all misinformation.
1. Is it true that shipment of the Virtual Keyboards cannot occur until after the SEC/NASD approves the spinoff company?
2. Will revenue from the Virtual Keyboard and the Blue Dock go to iBIZ Technology (IBZT) or to the spinoff company?
3. Is there any plan in place to reduce the number of oustanding shares of IBZT? If so, what is it? (For what it's worth, I personally am NOT opposed to a reverse split; in fact, I FAVOR it unless there is a buy-back of 2 billion shares instead.)
Thank you very much for your time and consideration. I realize this is an extremely busy time for you, but I have not been able to get ANY response to my questions from anyone else, and therefore had no choice but to contact you directly. Thank you again, and I wish you much success.
Sincerely yours,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online.
And here is Ken's response:
From: "Ken Schilling" Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book To: "'XXXXXXXXXXXXX'" Subject: RE: PLEASE respond to these shareholder concerns Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:32:33 -0700
XXXXXXXXXX,
It is quite obvious you need to stay off the message boards. Normally, I would not respond to these types of e-mails, however, this time I'll make an exception. Answers follow. Thank you for your interest and again, I would urge you to stay off the message boards as there is only lies, deceit and misconceptions there.
Best Regards,
Ken Schilling
1. Absolutely not and whomever you got this information from is gravely misinformed.
2. All revenue from both products go to IBZT as well as all the other products we currently produce.
3. There is no current plan to do a reverse split. In this regard specifically, if we moved to a larger more reputable exchange, it would be their direction and not ours if it were decided to do a reverse of some type.
Again, thank you for your interest and as stated above, don't believe anything you read on the message boards. Raging Bull is the worst.
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Continued planned intense dilution of value to stay afloat.
Company officers awarded big cash payments for those generated losses.
Assuming a price of one-hundred dollars per laser keyboard, how many keyboards must sell to move Ibiz into black ink? What net profit per keyboard is needed to reverse losses?
Why are company officers being rewarded for creating continued losses?
I continue to wait for someone to cite a reference which clearly displays my clear prediction of bankruptcy by Ibiz.
Certainly some of you are learning I am not the shrinking violet you assume me to be and are learning, if you do not quote me in a truthful manner, I will highlight your attempts at deceit.
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Whoa... Bart, I already know Purl Gurl is lil antsy with IBZT... Hooter is also against it? Didn't hooter posted alot of hopes for IBZT before? What happen? lost all hopes last few days it went down? LOL
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I hold a little bit of IBZT shares also... But I don't go into this message board to see informations on it... I just go in here to see people argue... LOL! So much drama and tension... LOL...
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Oilman, you need to research, read and learn about SEC filings. You really should make use of the SEC Edgar database. Within SEC filings you will find a lot of information, which should be taken with a grain of salt.
This links for which you ask, are SEC filings made by Ibiz. You really consult those filings.
Price dropping? Yes, continued dilution as I have stated would happen, many times. This is nothing astounding. Ibiz itself verifies an intent to continue with dilution to keep Ibiz itself afloat. Ibiz has no choice.
Bart, you are contradicting yourself. Many times you have tried to force me to leave threads, many times you have tried to censor my opinions. Now you are stating I am a liar and urging others to not leave.
You really need to walk the talk if you are to impress me.
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www . sec . gov If you want the real deal go to the source. And I am waiting on you to show that 25 million of outstanding debt.... walk the walk
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those last figures are something that i would appreciate. i only have one fender, but you would appreciate my collection of ovation solid body and prototype toys. i get the "ok---what ya got tonight" from the musicians i play with.
sometimes i think i spend too much time here trying to get investors to look at anything that doesn't favor their position. even when i have one of the largest positions on most threads. the majority on any thread have a vested interest in a stock and maybe i am just being too objective for the general flow. maybe i am calling out NARC when they are content being high on their perspective. i think maybe i will visit another site more often that i recently started posting on that encourages thorough dd. the site was started by a couple of former allstocks members that had good track records. actually, i believe i saw you posting there wooter.
later, guitar class shortly. teaching guitar makes stocks seem simple. hope you had as good a day as i had. fnix on the charge again. another symbian partner.
uncle milty
quote:Originally posted by Hooter: Milty, I still have my original 75K. Small potatoes but quite a bit to me. I'm sure I pissed off some folks but I just didn't care for PL discounting Canesta based on less than stellar DD then waving his phD in challenge of any reply. While I don't see Canesta as any immediate threat I do believe it imperative to stay knowledgeable about every aspect of the competition. I'm in it for the long haul(1-3yrs) with the hope of turning something good but I also refuse to spend that time def dumb and blind. Sorry if I pissed folks off but I would really like to stick to the facts and leave the attacks on RB. OT 67Tele,74SG,86Strat+3Boxes figured you would appreciate that Milty!
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OILMAN I ashowed up late for the party--I was still wondering how you define the redefinition of shares from last week? We were talking about MARKET CAP rememeber ---
And--PG is right about your reading of the SCIENCE articles those guy didn't freeze light and they didn't make it really go faster either--it's all SNAKEOIL
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We still do not have enough info to determine the current enterprise value due to lack of info on Synosphere and the value of the VKB global license, pending this info or Q1 2004 report it is all a crapshoot.
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LOL Bart... I support you Bart... Definitely will at least be $0.30 by July... June would be Virtual Keyboard for Cellphone... And too many ppl use cellphone =)...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bart: [B]I have at work 3 people in on it now! 2 of my friends in it. I put money in here for my sons and their children! Now if this thing does not fly, I will have a short time on this earth because they will kill me! So I think I will live a long time! They are all in at between .016 to .04!(QUOTE)
Hi Bart thought I'd drop in and see how the happy family is doin. I've been so busy trading this last week, I had no time to look in on you. All these damn consistency problems to deal with you-- know what i mean..LOL So is it time for me to jump back in this one yet or should i wait a little longer--I don't really have time to read all the thread here so could you just give a quick synopsis? By the way my wife says a grand on 9ball or 8ball is jesfine wit her---
like to gamble Bart?--I don't- that's why I'll even give you 2 for 1 if you want to double it?
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Bart, it should be obvious to any casual reader I place more value upon truthful words than I do testosterone induced "one-upmanship" as presented in your macho challenge.
Here is a bet with higher stakes, a bet of your fragile masculine ego against my feminine self-confidence.
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LOL Glassman... What? You guys want me to hold to money for ya'll two?
Ya'll folks argue for no reason. Just let time decide of what will become of IBZT. If you're scare, then go ahead and sell ur shares. If you're not scare, then stay to see what happen.
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