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Then you should already be out. $23.50 * 1.05 = $24.68. It hit $24.77 yesterday, why were you still holding?
I was including the commission in the 5%, so my sell is set for $24.80.

Well, well, lost all those gains. That was a dumb mistake.

Well, the 5 days aren't up yet.

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How much do you pay for commission?

by the way, your sell point was over 5.5% from your buy, or looking at it anotehr way, you tried to get 10% more than the "system" calls for.

And I've certainly never done that! (at least not yet today...) [Smile]

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Okay, I had to go look and see why I had the sell at $24.80. It was because I bought at 23.53, not 23.50

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200 * 23.53 + $16.00 commission ($8.00 each way) would need $27.79 for to get a 5.01% gain. (I guess I rounded up and added a penny.)

I see now though that I should just forget about the commission and go with when the STOCK goes up 5% because the commission could make the gains more or less depending on how big a position I would have.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:

I see now though that I should just forget about the commission and go with when the STOCK goes up 5% because the commission could make the gains more or less depending on how big a position I would have.

Jo

Ding ding ding. [Smile]

My brother started with like $500 and the firt one he bought was, say $24 so he bought 20 shares. He wanted his account to have 5% more, or $525 when he was done. So he needed to make $35 on $480 ($10 commission), or 7.3% which is obviously quite different from 5%.


I would think it would be rare for a few pennies to mean this big of a difference, but it's worth thinking about for next time.

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Yeah nothing like seeing a couple hundred in profits disappear over 3 pennies!!

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WOW! LOOK AT THIS INSIDER BUY!!! SUCH CONFIDENCE HE MUST HAVE IN THE COMPANY!!!

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Form 4: Update Filing for Raymond James Financial Inc (RJF)
10:08 p.m. 03/06/2008 Provided by


Mar 06, 2008 (Vickers Stock Research via COMTEX) -- Document Processing Date: March 05, 2008

Stock Name: Raymond James Financial Inc Stock CUSIP: 754730109

Filer: SAYLER, VAN C. Position:

Stock Symbol: RJF Exchange: NYSE Stock Type: COM

Transaction period: March 04, 2008 Trade amount: 8 shares Trade type: Buy Trade price range: $22.410

Shares still held: 8 shares Own Type: Indirect

[Roll Eyes]

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that's funny. I at least try for 100 shares!

...oh wait... those are under $10 for me! lol

What was it Warren Buffett said.... "Noah did not start building the Ark when it was raining"... sumtin like dat.

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Ugh. I feel like I'm in Deliverance right now. Anybody got a banjo?

My a** hurts...

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Damn, what a rebound, NFP was down like 5% at the open, now up 1%. That's almost a $1,200 swing for me... Hopefully it'll keep up.

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Sold out of NFP at the close at $23.62 for a loss of about 1%.

Current tally:

Buy Signals: 21
3 pending (NIHD down 7.3% currently, LTM down 4.8% currently, ICTG down 2.3% currently)
5% Gainers: 11
G/L of other 6: -7.3%
Total G/L: 47.7%

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Signal for today is ABK. this one is a bit strange though. It was trading at about $7 most of Friday, then there was a big volume spike and, it apparently closed at $9.50. I am probably going to put an order in to buy at around $7, but wouldn't buy much higher than that. If I miss it, then I miss it. It looks like it will be opening at around $7.90 today, so I'm guessing that I won't be getting in this one, but I will be watching it.

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ABK went up as high as $8.18. Just dipped below $7, so I got in at 6.98.

Wish me luck...

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Geez, crazy morning for ABK. Already hit 5% from my buy, so I am out. Now at $7.34

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Hey PC!

Have you ever thought of reversing your form 4 method?

If an insider sells you short the next day...??

Good luck playing with real money.

-$w

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No, because insiders sell at like a 20:1 ratio to buys. And most CEOs sell shares not because the company is going to do badly, but because they are paid in stock, so sellign shares is basically their salary. There are a lot of studies out there that watching insider sells is of no value.

Thanks for the thought though. Post if you have any other questions/suggestions.

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Hey PC!

Have you ever thought of reversing your form 4 method?

If an insider sells you short the next day...??

Good luck playing with real money.

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Would have sodl NIHD at the close today of $34.40. Would have been a loss of 13.8%.

Current tally:

Buy Signals: 21
2 pending (LTM down 8.8% currently, ICTG down 1.4% currently)
5% Gainers: 12
G/L of other 7: -21.1%
Total G/L: 38.9%

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Would have sold out of ICTG at 8.86 and LTM at $28.45 today for a gain of 0.8% and a loss of 5.1% respectively.

Current tally:

Buy Signals: 21
5% Gainers: 12
G/L of other 9: -25.4%
Total G/L: 34.6%

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Two signals for today: FTEK and GVA.

GVA is already up 6% since the triggering insider buy, and FTEK doesn't have a lot of volume to it, so I'm not sure which to play.

I think I will buy FTEK but if GVA gets back down to the $29 range I may buy that too.

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In FTEK at $17.10

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GVA is getting close to $29. If I was buyign I'd put my order in at $29.10.

Edit, just noticed that $29.10 was the low of the day, so I won't register it as a buy unless it drops to $29.09.

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Damn it! Missed it by a freaking penny. If it had hit $29.09 I would have been "in" and it is now over $31, so I would have cashed out my 5% in just a few hours.

Oh well, can't win them all...

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How 'bout that UHCR LOL.
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Had a nice run. I predict that it doesn't get over .15, and is back under .07 within a week.

But hey, I've been wrong plenty of times.

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Two more for today.

LVLT and CVH. Of the two, I'd buy LVLT. CVH is already up about 7% in the last couple of days.

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In LVLT at $1.86

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When I said within a week, I meant within a day... [Smile]

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Had a nice run. I predict that it doesn't get over .15, and is back under .07 within a week.

But hey, I've been wrong plenty of times.



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First off...very interesting idea PCOLA...awesome research. Someone earlier mentioned the possibility of shorting a stock...I was doing some digging, researching some previous form 4's and the subsequent effect on the pps. I came across DWCH...check it out...The CEO began dumping on 1/02/08 and continued to do so a little at a time all month long....Literally almost everyday there was a Form4 filed, selling by the CEO...This continued until 1/30/07...Then Earnings were announced missing their estimates by .06. He knew it was coming, price dropped from $7.19 down to $3.57...check it out.