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So, will you be here on November 3rd? I would like to say hello that day.
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Oh wow look at that, the Democrats do not want to have a vote on the tax cut issue until after the election. LMAO
Man, they are getting desperate. They arent even putting the donkey on their front yard signs. Cmon libs, run on that health care with understimated costs, get that underclass vote you need to stay elected, and make sure people know that more taxes mean a better country.
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oh //elections!...lol...i lauggh...so what? ,..I have my beliefs...that all that matters to me..my beliefs are correct..and im always learning..and open to sane , logical, rational thinking.....d
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quote:Their newly negotiated two-year contract provides them with a pension, paid vacation and health insurance. Their current wages of $18 per hour will increase to $25.75 an hour within 15 months, according to the union.
And the increase in labor costs will, of course, be taken out of profits...not passed along to the consumers...right?
Thanks again, Unions!
Couple of questions for you SF... Why in the phuck would you view the union workers as the "greedy ones" in the above scenario? All they have done is organized to get themselves and their families a LIVING WAGE and some benefits... $25.00 an hour, medical benefits, and a pension is NOT GREED...
What about the company? Why aren't you pissed off at them? They are the ones passing the costs on to you, the consumer...Why shouldn't they absorb the increase in labor costs out of their already massive profits?
Massive profits and the unwillingness to share those profits with their workers is GREED...
I don't think it is greed to try and get the best you can for your family but we as americans are flawed in the fact we want all these benefits and the best wages for the products we produce, we turn around and go to Wal-mart and buy the cheapest goods we can buy. It is hard to pay $25.00 and hours and all the benefits if you can't sell the product you make because of cost.
The biggest downfall in the auto industry a few years back was because that American car manufactures have such a huge cost built in to making a car. Not only from the high salaries and benefits but the retirement benefits. And in the end we go out and buy a Toyota
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I just wish there was a bettery luxury line for US. I like the Lincoln MKS, and although Cadillac is nice it just doesnt look and drive as smooth as a Lexus IS/GS line, or a BMW 5 series.
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WOW you should see this coverage they have of the Chrysler employees hitting up the liquor store on lunch drinking and driving and getting stoned!
The executive said it well though, this was a small group and does not represent the whole company, and I agree.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: they want cheap slave labor
isn't that what cash cow and SF want too? speak up if i'm wrong guys.. i hear you saying it, but maybe i'm misunderstanding?
isn't that why the country is flooded with illegals?
the GOP says they want to fix immigration issues? LOL. they are the ones hiring the labor...
We have known this for some time. That is why the Tea Party is doing good...they are beating up establishment Republicans. Guess what, they are pissed. Regardless of what any argument one has....this November is going to be brutal.
don't be so sure cash.
i know what the polls say.
there's this wierd thing about those polls tho.
they are very generic. Just because th polls say that people want the GOP by a 10 point margin? teh TParty people are beating the GOPa,d the Tparty is as far right as you can go... they won't get the Dem vote. They can win in place that are GOP who voted for Dems last time.
In most cases? the Dem voters will not vote for the Tparty no matter how mad they are.
then you have to remember that all politics are local. Just because somebody in the poll says they want Pelosi out (for instance?) doesn't mean they will vote out their OWN Dem Congressperson cuz that person has seniority and brings the pork into town...
right now? the only thing we can deduce is that the GOP is MAD as hell and willing to vote out the old guard.
Dems may be mad too, but not for the same reasons, and not mad enough at the end of the day to vote for a T-Party person...
Clinton beat Daddy Bush because of Ross Perot, and I was going to vote for Ross, but when h equit in the middle of the campaign? I decided not to. He was correct, the jobs are now gone. Buti couldn't vote for quitter, and guess who quit her job befroe it was done? Palin, th ebiggest T-bagger of the bunch.
Even tho i beleiv in many of the same principles the TParyt says they belive in? I am never going to align myself with Palin or Beck or Limbugger.
don't get your hopes too high... but i am pretty sure nobody will be leaving cuz their party lost. The ones that do that? They all left here long ago....
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All I know is im going to be having an election night party! The last one I went to was for Bush Jr on his first term.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: All I know is im going to be having an election night party! The last one I went to was for Bush Jr on his first term.
I bet that party was for idiots only. Seriously...who would want to party over some jack ass winning an election. They don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. Its a ego thing. Who seriously would spend millions of $$$ for a job that pays $174,000 a year (here is the link http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm )
Going back to the earlier posts about unions: I work at Chrysler in a Assembly Plant. We have roughly 2,175 workers. We make $28 a hour. We build roughly 1,000 trucks a day. So lets do the math. 2175 x 28 = $60,900 cost in pay per day. We divide that by # of trucks built, 1000. 60900 / 1000 = $609 labor cost per truck.
Do you seriously think this amount is going to break their wallet or stop a buyer from buying a vehicle? So new truck costs $54,000 LOADED...lets deduct $609 and say labor was free. $53,391 final cost...WOW...great deal...I'll buy one. NOT!!! Labor cost does not dictate the auto market and cost per vehicle. The CEO's do. Speaking of Labor...Us BIG 3 Auto workers are UAW. The UAW owns majority of Chrysler, Ford and GM. Do we get profit bonuses or bonuses period? Do we make changes in what we sell or make? Do we dictate how much everyone should be paid? We do own majority of the company...so do we??? NOT A CHANCE!!!
Elections...UAW endorses a candidate and encourages employees to vote for those candidates. They pass out fliers stating why vote for them. They have them hanging in plants, passed out in plants and mailed to our homes. I have in the past been told to vote for someone by the Union President of my plant and union officials. But those days are gone in my plant.
FOX NEWS...yeah they were comedians in regards to Jefferson North Assembly Plant's infamous drinker/pot smokers. So what happened....12 employees got fired. 2 suspended for a month. FOX2 does not care about the families of those caught on film. The ones with kids I'm sure got teased and made fun of at school because their daddy got fired....etc. So FOX hurt them. We are already living check to check...month to month. So 12 employees fired. Brilliant!! That means 12 new FORECLOSURES!!! Great Job Fox2. I love my home's value going down. Did those employees get replaced? Maybe...but if they did...they were replaced with employees starting at $14 per hour. So 12 employees at half off is like paying 6 employees but having 12...but now the 12 new ones can't afford much and barely contribute much to the economy....while the 12 fired collect unemployment.
Obama and the Dems might of saved America and my job but...they still screwed the working with lots of BS!!! Too bad we can't be illegal immigrants...get free money from the working class...free healthcare paid by the working class...and all the other BS. Then banks, FRE/FNM/AIG getting bailed out and giving out bonuses...but not one bank or home loans company will refinance a home unless you have equity. Does this make sense...Say I owe $150,000 at 7%. The company that loaned the money is selling the same loan terms at 4%. They already have the contract with you but state they can not refinance you because of risk reasons because unfortunately your 150,000 house was falsely inflated by the same crooks who screwed all of us and the house is worth $75,000 now. But they are quick to foreclose and happy to sell the house for $30,000. Makes perfect sense. 3% is worth more then $120,000. Glad they got things right. BTW...this is not my situation...just generally what I see going on.
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i would never have have expected an unwashed potdrinking beersmoking union shop slob to be so literate.
heck you are rich, living off the fat o'the land... you can actually afford to buy a steak to split with your family once a week
a similar story: i hear that Chines labor in the iPhone costs 4$. The iphone is what? 300$? but we could tax that 4$ cost 100% at the border, and pay off the debt to China in a couple years.
on top of that? THAT measly 4$ TAX MIGHT BE JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE IT WORHTWEHILE TO BRING PRODUCTION BACK HERE WHERE IT BELONGS! its ridiculous how we have given our jobs away for a few cents.
this country is full of pinheads and Fox news is the piedpiper of pinheads.
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Going back to the earlier posts about unions: I work at Chrysler in a Assembly Plant. We have roughly 2,175 workers. We make $28 a hour. We build roughly 1,000 trucks a day. So lets do the math. 2175 x 28 = $60,900 cost in pay per day. We divide that by # of trucks built, 1000. 60900 / 1000 = $609 labor cost per truck.
Have to correct something...I forgot to add in hours worked. I was sleepy when using the calculator.
2,175 workers 8 hours per day $28 per hour 1,000 trucks built
2,175 x 28 = $60,900 per hour. $60,900 x 8 hours = $487,200 $487,200 / 1,000 trucks = $487.20 Labor Cost per truck
Now how does that inflate the cost of ANY CAR built by any American car company?
Another thing...I buy vehicles at Copart.com and I bought a 09 Kia Spectra built in Korea and saw the sticker breakdown. The shipping cost was $750. Remember...it was made in Asia...not in North America. I bought a new 08 Jeep Grand Cherokee made in Detroit where the Jeep was delivered about 35 miles from where it was built. The destination cost was $860. Hmmm....Labor cost $487...Destination cost...$860. Ummm....Kia....car transported from Assembly plant to a port. Then shipped to America. Then transported to a distribution center...then transported to a dealership. So assuming it was shipped to California...then trucked to Detroit which is about 1,600+ miles I think...$750 only for destination....are you serious!!!
Can ANYONE explain why its cheaper shipping for Kia to build cars in Asia and send cars here for less money vs the Big 3 building and selling here.
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quote:Originally posted by R1 Man: Going back to the earlier posts about unions: I work at Chrysler in a Assembly Plant. We have roughly 2,175 workers. We make $28 a hour. We build roughly 1,000 trucks a day. So lets do the math. 2175 x 28 = $60,900 cost in pay per day. We divide that by # of trucks built, 1000. 60900 / 1000 = $609 labor cost per truck.
Have to correct something...I forgot to add in hours worked. I was sleepy when using the calculator.
2,175 workers 8 hours per day $28 per hour 1,000 trucks built
2,175 x 28 = $60,900 per hour. $60,900 x 8 hours = $487,200 $487,200 / 1,000 trucks = $487.20 Labor Cost per truck
Now how does that inflate the cost of ANY CAR built by any American car company?
It doesn't...that's why it pisses me off to no end when some of these anti-union clowns post here bashing unions...
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