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I predict the Senate ends up with 48 GOPs there's a couple independants like Leiberman that will then sell themselves to eh highest bidder to see who has the majority...
they can switch hit if they want...
In the House? I predict 241 GOPs. (218 is the majority)
i think the South (FLA excepted) goes GOP whole hog...
i think the GOP could do worse than this because the pollsters apparently don't do cell phone polling, and young people MAY show up in greater numbers than expected... but we won't know til wed.
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so in the last coupl eof days i've seen just about every Fox News contributor come out against legalising Marijane in CA...
all of these guys claim to support the Constitution...
there is no Constitutional provision to allow the Feds to control drugs, any drugs, period..... yet these people CLAIM they want less federal Control..
what a bunch of crap they dish out.... they are not the least bit interested in anything but getting themselves back in control and then it'll be business as usual....
take back America yeah, for Rupert, and Karl Rove...
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The dems have lost the house I really believe that they missed what the people wanted health care was a big one but jobs came first.
This is a political move in the country that is happening out of emotion and not logic IMHO.
In a way it is most likely good as it will force the repubs to come up with some ideas and help govern. It will be better than there two years of obstructing and making things worse. Now lets hope the Dems don't play copy cat.
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Steele: There’s ‘Some Truth’ In The Claim That GOP Midterm Gains Are ‘Not A Validation’ Of Republicans In an interview with the New York Times published today, former Florida governor Jeb Bush (R) suggested that any gains Republicans make in Congress as a result of tomorrow’s midterm elections won’t have much to do with the GOP. “The looming victories for Republican candidates next Tuesday is not a validation of the Republican Party at all,” he said.
When host George Stephanopoulos asked RNC chair Michael Steele on ABC’s Good Morning America today whether Bush’s analysis is correct, Steele responded affirmatively:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Even Jeb Bush, son of the former president, had a pretty startling comment in the New York Times this morning. He said “tomorrow’s results will not be a validation of the Republican party at all.” Is he right?
STEELE: I think there’s some degree of truth to that. … I think there is a degree of truth to that. I think the American people right now are much more skeptical of the direction that the President and Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid are taking the country but they also have some concerns about the direction that Republicans will then lead when we take control of the Congress in 2011. Steele’s view has been affirmed by GOP leadership. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) — who said last week that his goal for the next Congress is to defeat President Obama in 2012 — noted today that Republicans “need to view this [election] with humility and gratitude. This is not about us…there is no poll data showing the public is in love with us.”
Indeed, the staggering economy appears to be the GOP’s best friend this election cycle because the Party is not only bereft of any new ideas but offers no real solutions for the country’s economic problems. Republicans have campaigned on cutting spending and reducing the deficit but can’t identify any specific spending that should be cut. They want to give costly tax breaks for the rich without offering any idea of how to pay for them or denying that they even have to be offset. Instead, when asked how they would fix the economy and create jobs, many GOPers simply retreat to the Party mantra: “tax cuts.”
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: The dems have lost the house I really believe that they missed what the people wanted health care was a big one but jobs came first.
This is a political move in the country that is happening out of emotion and not logic IMHO.
In a way it is most likely good as it will force the repubs to come up with some ideas and help govern. It will be better than there two years of obstructing and making things worse. Now lets hope the Dems don't play copy cat.
i'm not worried about the Dems copycatting.
i'm for having a split int eh power structure.
what i'm most worried about is this:
“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” ~Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, (R-Ky.), October 2010
that sounds like a scorched earth policy...
the earth that will scorched is ours and it's not under attack...
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: The dems have lost the house I really believe that they missed what the people wanted health care was a big one but jobs came first.
This is a political move in the country that is happening out of emotion and not logic IMHO.
In a way it is most likely good as it will force the repubs to come up with some ideas and help govern. It will be better than there two years of obstructing and making things worse. Now lets hope the Dems don't play copy cat.
ray, health care was one of Obamas basic campaign promises.
he mandated congress to give it to him, and they did..
they gave hims such a mess that they are paying the price.
what they actaully gave him was insurance reform not healthcare refrom...
the Idea that the President should "run" Congress liek a CEO is UnAmerican and UnConstittuional.
The Presidents job is to get Congress to come to work and produce which he did... they are the ones that made the stinksausage...
as to Obama? He really never expected to keep the majority he had, that's why he acted right away.
the Stimulus package did work... we are not in a Depression YET, give it another year with the GOP in there tryioing to assure that Obama is aone term president.. think about that for a minute.. what's the best way to assure that? screw teh country up more and blame it on him...
that is what i see coming... and i can actaully quote the differnt players in their own words.. Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails January 16, 2009
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For the House I think that Republicans will take the majority but not by as much as some think. I believe it will be in the 225-230 seat range.
As for the senate Dem's will keep a slim majority with 53 or so seats.
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the problem that i see that they have iwish is that there are a bunch of people who have no clue.
i mean that literally. they have not studied history, have no interest in the past and beleive they know it all, like some teenagers i know...
Economics is an Art. It is practiced. It is not science where you can "prove" this or that or the other thing...
The idea that we can cut govt to stimulate the economy was tried in the 20's the roaring 20's followed... Then the train crashed. Now the same people who want to beleiv ethe roaring 20's were the correct answer to the 1919 recesiion want to also beleive that FDR made teh Depression. Well FDR came to office 4 years after the 29 crash, and th eonly thing brought US out of the Great Depression was WW2... the single largest Govt spending spree and and debt build up on the face of the planet... Then we had to pay for it. which we did...Or more apropriately my Grandparents did. They paid high taxes and they made a huge pile of money doing it. Anybody who thinks we can get out o'this mess without raising taxes OR runaway imfaltion (that would make the debt bearable) is just not thinking the problem thru.
The excuses are infinite. The relaity is that we have work to do and nobody wants to do it. Cutting the Govt will not do it either.
The Govt takeovers i keep hearing TParty follys rant about? They staved off the Great Depression 2. Those that don't understand that are hopelessly clueless.
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But i also feel that some do not want to really tackle the true problems for fear of political backlash, instead of worrying about the majority of people first.
At times i feel that the War goes on for fear that if they stop it, a lot of soldiers would be unemployed and some industries would lose a lot of contracts, which in turn would send the unemployment rate up even higher.
This all at such a high cost to our men and women in uniform.
It occurs to me that this particular line did not help those who used it very much.
More of the close races tilted right than I thought would, even the Minnesota state legislature turned conservative. That hasn't happened in 40 years and I don't expect it will last much longer than 2-4 years, personally. Telling though.
I am glad Grayson is gone, kooks in politics may grab airtime but they don't do a hell of a lot of productive work. For that reason I am glad O'Donnell and Angle lost and sad that yet again Bachmann's platitudes, generalizations, and mischaracterizations were enough for her district.
These next couple years will be tough, and made tougher by the continued assault on the president by Mitch McConnel.
But (and this phrase is just for CCM) if we made it through Bush, we can make it through anything right America??
One wonders if the dem leadership saw this as likely. One wonders if this isn't the reason why Obamacare was prioritized. Did the Dems lose because of Obamacare? Or did they pass Obamacare while they could knowing a loss was likely regardless of reform? Seems to me they just might have learned something from the Clinton presidency but then again I maybe giving them too much credit.
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Or did they pass Obamacare while they could knowing a loss was likely regardless of reform?
they knew the jobs weren't coming back anytime soon.
look at Nancy today saying they averted the Great Depression 2. It seems very obvious to me now that most people just don't have clue about economics. This whole notion that we could have allowed the bailouts and the stimulus to fail, and not be done? It's total insanity.
I propose that if Nancy had gone after the Bush admin full force with real investigations including Cheney, HAL, Blackwater, the missing Pentagon money, and a few others? the Dems would be in power still.
The economy still would have failed and they would be blamed anyway so WTF difference did it make? Beach McConnell is still going to stand around thrwoing temper tantrums for the next two years anyway too, even tho it was the TParty that scewed him out ofhis Majority seat, and that the GOP was given a free pass on their crimes in office....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Or did they pass Obamacare while they could knowing a loss was likely regardless of reform?
they knew the jobs weren't coming back anytime soon.
look at Nancy today saying they averted the Great Depression 2. It seems very obvious to me now that most people just don't have clue about economics. This whole notion that we could have allowed the bailouts and the stimulus to fail, and not be done? It's total insanity.
I propose that if Nancy had gone after the Bush admin full force with real investigations including Cheney, HAL, Blackwater, the missing Pentagon money, and a few others? the Dems would be in power still.
The economy still would have failed and they would be blamed anyway so WTF difference did it make? Beach McConnell is still going to stand around thrwoing temper tantrums for the next two years anyway too, even tho it was the TParty that scewed him out ofhis Majority seat, and that the GOP was given a free pass on their crimes in office....
Dude...McConnell is just a raging placenta. He is just wasting everyone's oxygen with his rants. I equate him to cow farts when he speaks...he's just contributing to global warming by opening his mouth!
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Or did they pass Obamacare while they could knowing a loss was likely regardless of reform?
they knew the jobs weren't coming back anytime soon.
look at Nancy today saying they averted the Great Depression 2. It seems very obvious to me now that most people just don't have clue about economics. This whole notion that we could have allowed the bailouts and the stimulus to fail, and not be done? It's total insanity.
I propose that if Nancy had gone after the Bush admin full force with real investigations including Cheney, HAL, Blackwater, the missing Pentagon money, and a few others? the Dems would be in power still.
The economy still would have failed and they would be blamed anyway so WTF difference did it make? Beach McConnell is still going to stand around thrwoing temper tantrums for the next two years anyway too, even tho it was the TParty that scewed him out ofhis Majority seat, and that the GOP was given a free pass on their crimes in office....
Dude...McConnell is just a raging placenta. He is just wasting everyone's oxygen with his rants. I equate him to cow farts when he speaks...he's just contributing to global warming by opening his mouth!
Now that's funny...true...but funny
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quote:More of the close races tilted right than I thought would, even the Minnesota state legislature turned conservative. That hasn't happened in 40 years and I don't expect it will last much longer than 2-4 years, personally. Telling though.
Question: What does this tell us about the American Electorate's 'mandate' to Washington?
This is something that I've tried to understand even when I've disagreed with the voting (ala 2006\2008). What motivated the votes that produced the results? For example, whether you agree with the Tea Party's message or not, they got voter turn out and tossed the House. What was it about the message that resonated with 'the Folks?'
And what does this mean for a Washington that is now more than likely deadlocked from both sides?
quote:One wonders if this isn't the reason why Obamacare was prioritized. Did the Dems lose because of Obamacare?
They ABSOLUTELY lost because of Obamacare. Scott Brown's win from nowhere should have made that clear. That was his ONE campaign theme...VOTE for Me and I'll stop Obamacare!!!
Common sense said get the economy moving and the Dems could have asked for anything and gotten it passed with the political goodwill it would have engendered. But Obama\Pelosi\Reid were more worried about being Historic than worrying about little things like losing the House\Senate\2012 by going against the will of the people. Now we have a split Congress that can (and will) stop the other half from passing anything meaningful. If nothing happens between now and 2012, and the Repubs keep 'trying' to do the will of the people? I forsee another 60+ seats, 12+ in the Senate and the Oval office in their future.
Right or wrong, fair or not...it's all about perception...And the Dems are not on the favorable end of that atm...
quote:I propose that if Nancy had gone after the Bush admin full force with real investigations including Cheney, HAL, Blackwater, the missing Pentagon money, and a few others? the Dems would be in power still.
What would have happened I don't know, Glass. But I will tell you that it will NEVER happen. Each side has an unspoken (maybe spoken in backrooms) understanding that 'live and let live' rules once the other is out of power. 'You don't prosecute my guys when they're out of power and I won't prosecute yours...' kind of thing.
hmmmmm.... i doubt that's the GOP will be so "forgiving" nor should they be...
the Dems showed weakness.
how many times did i point out that 1/3 of the stimulus was in fact tax cuts?
did anybody "get it"? i mean it- this country is being run by a mad media conglomerate run by a guy who became a US Citizen for business sake.. . and his next biggest partner is the Saudi Royal family... it's like a really bad Albert R Broccoli movie, only it's real.. ever wonder why the "Conservative message" supports big oil? look no furhter than the second largest shareholder of newscorp...
they are not even Americans. Ruprecht only converted to USism in order to comply with regulations that allowed him to acumulate more US media outlets. Then he sold almost 10% to the House Saud...
I cannot tell you how manytimes a day Fox "news" reports on WSJ generated "news" (ten? fifteen?) they are the SAME damn company...
wake up people.... the enemy is inside the gate, and we opened it for them
Glen Beck is a stooge for the Saudi Roayl family and an Aussie who abandoned his own country for cash...
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Yep, Glass, you got it...
Since there is NO OTHER SOURCE of news but FOX the American people are being kept ignorant...
(sigh)
so are denying that Fox is the self proclaimed "number one cable news source"? (sigh) you are puttting up pitiful retorts and i am hardly motivated to dish it out as relentless wishes i would.. (belch)
when i hear people repeating the exact same bullcrap that i hear LIVE coming out of the boob tube?
it's just common sense to recognise how the fertiliser is being spread...
you know there were cattle around fairly recenlty when the patties are still fresh
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ROFL, if I had known this was a challenge...
Yes, they are the most watched CABLE news source. As of TV by the numbers's November 4th rating,(which they claim is based on Nielsen ratings) they top every single viewing period ranked with MSNBC pulling in at second in most slots.
Now the question becomes, simply based on these numbers, what percentage of the population are they reaching. And of that percentage, to how many is that the ONLY source of news they take in?
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And of that percentage, to how many is that the ONLY source of news they take in?
once again i point to the fact that Fox News frequently uses quotes from the Wall St Jouranl as an impeccable news source...
and once again i feel obligated to point out to you that they are both part of the same Corporate entity...
which was, and still is, my exact point, selfreferencing self peer reviewing "journalism" is not real Jopurnalism it's propaganda, and Fox is in fact a highly biased GOP news outlet, it's funny how they have these ugly wimpy supposedly "liberal" or left leaning guys on the "team" to provide "balance and fairness. It's really pathetic.
i have to ask you, at what point does this relationship begin to damage the GOP. It loses perspective and lies become "truth" simply because everybody hears them a hundred times.
They were fond of quoting the Weekly Standard. I am not sure of the current ownership of the Weekly Stnadard because their only value was Fox news being able to quote a source that sounds -i repeat SOUNDS -like it is different and therefore "more" reliable.
The weekly standard lost a million or more every year of it's existence and maybe phasing out of the Newscorp string....
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