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Dmv is one of my examples look at all the vehicles we have on the road and once a year I get my licence and tags without a thought have you ever tried that eles where by the way how long have you been in America and what have you ever done for your county or country folk.If you want to throw things around and I don't mean you had to be a John Wayne.

If you have ever done anything in you community to help or are you an arm chair American with a lot of ideas and no action. This country was built on labor and people that produced it set the ground work for what we are today.

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DMV
Amtrack
USPS
Military
Foreign Relations
EPA
Customs

The list goes on and on as names and acronyms fully embraced as the most inefficient cluster ****s on the planet.

It was just one short year ago that you and your type hated and despised the government... Now some moron who you've been told is like you is supposedly in charge of it and you can't wait to have him sire you with his idea of what's right.

Pointless really..

I was in the military pal, as was every male member of my family going back multiple generations...
Short of fighting the next revolution... we've done enough.

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I am glad you have done your duty and I am proud of you to keep this going is very non productive. me and you will never agree on most things and thats ok I do respect you and will continue to do so. Now I have to get back to my job have a nice day. you are a very smart person with good Ideas

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
So what are we going to call this new country?

I vote "Happy Land"
Seems the name should be as far from reality as possible, in keeping with the perceptions of its inhabitants.

it's like a narcotic DQR, you can't wean them off all at once...it's too dangerous.

last time i added it all up? between private and govt debt? we are about two years worth of GDP in debt, and keep in mind that GDP includes all the deficit spending.

somebody has to actually rethink our economic metrics just so we can be honest (with ourselves) in evalution.

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
DMV
Amtrack
USPS
Military
Foreign Relations
EPA
Customs

The list goes on and on as names and acronyms fully embraced as the most inefficient cluster ****s on the planet.

It was just one short year ago that you and your type hated and despised the government... Now some moron who you've been told is like you is supposedly in charge of it and you can't wait to have him sire you with his idea of what's right.

Pointless really..

I was in the military pal, as was every male member of my family going back multiple generations...
Short of fighting the next revolution... we've done enough.

raybond is correct, we have had the best place to live for the last few centuries...


it is also good to have high standards and lofty goals.

if that seems to be slipping away? maybe it's because we didn't really earn it in the first place? maybe it was just an accident?

have you read Atlas Shrugged yet DQR?

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Glass, it was never the best place to live because of the federal government's actions...

That's not precisely true... a great many things have come from both NASA and military research...

Point being our government is not in a position to provide nor manage health care for the citizens...
It is heavily in debt and its resources(us) have nothing left to offer(recession). It is a government like so many other failed governments... corrupt beyond a satanic wet dream.

Yes a government properly regulated and monitored would be the ideal choice for a health care manager...
We don't have one of those...

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quote:
have you read Atlas Shrugged yet DQR?
nope, just wiki'd it and it looks interesting.
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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Glass, it was never the best place to live because of the federal government's actions...

That's not precisely true... a great many things have come from both NASA and military research...

Point being our government is not in a position to provide nor manage health care for the citizens...
It is heavily in debt and its resources(us) have nothing left to offer(recession). It is a government like so many other failed governments... corrupt beyond a satanic wet dream.

Yes a government properly regulated and monitored would be the ideal choice for a health care manager...
We don't have one of those...

well, i won't disagree, but i will ask how we go about getting one.

the Govt is aheckofalot more involved in getting food on your table than anyone NOT in the producer biz knows and the producers want to keep it that way [Wink]

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Yeah no doubt.
I don't know really.. I think getting rid of the fed is an essential first step. Could be that representatives should be picked via lottery rather than electing them. Seems to me the election process has been corrupted beyond repair. The obvious argument against would be A:

What if we get a moron via the lottery?
Umm... look around.. That's all we have now.

B:
What if the lottery is rigged?

Rigged worse than the current election system?

Dunno, just a thought.

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face it, society in every instance is simply a cleptocracy

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I say get rid of all "quasis"

if it's governmental/regulatory, it should be subject to FOI/Open Records acts.

I doubt the Federal Reserve is, & I know the DTCC is not.

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that is an excellent point Tex, and Ron Paul is for that too...

Ron has some really excellent points, but i have to admit that when i listen to him cover all of his points he gets too far gone on some of them.

the DTCC is part of the Federal Reserve. i found that on their site last year, but right now it is not mentioned on their site, so they may have distanced themself when or after they acquired/partnered with Euronext.

they are another example of being too big to fail and should not be as big as they are...

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"too big to fail"

feed 'em fish heads and dob mud up their asses...

I'm sick to death of too-big-to-fail bull-bully-bullchit.

How come US homeowners are not "too big to fail" ?

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right you are tex but it just ain't fair or just.
but money and power always have advantage in the USA. The only way to stop it is to stop the lobby system

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It was just one short year ago that you and your type hated and despised the government... Now some moron who you've been told is like you is supposedly in charge of it and you can't wait to have him sire you with his idea of what's right.

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Yes you are 100% correct and I still hate Bush and I still think he is a semi Fascist that given the chance he would would be a full blown Hitler with all the traits of his grandfather who was a Nazi supporter. And I have no shame in that.

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How can you hate anyone who is semi anything?
Wouldn't you semi-hate him?
And that's merely dislike.

I bet you're thrilled now that Obama is in office and has repealed all the laws and orders put in place by Bush the semi-fascist. I can almost hear you rejoicing as Obama pulled the troops out of the mideast. You were overjoyed when Obama closed Gitmo. You were filled with glee when Obama distanced himself from and then refused to use hired mercs like Blackwater to do what the constitution wouldn't allow regular military troops. I know you were darn near orgasmic when Obama declared the repealing of the patriot act.

Yes... how far we've come...
What a bright day.

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i liked it when he opened the investigation of the institution of the unlimited nobid contract process for Cheney er i mean Halibuttorn.

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No fully hate I don't care what part of him is or is not the cancer that he is is out of the way for a while or maybe for ever so there is no need to waste any more time on him.

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I am glad you don't enjoy the day give you something to post about and maybe I will learn a few things from your post.

Any way have a good day I think I will rejoyce now that I know I am a killer thanks for bring that out.

If we love to fight so much how come the idea of a draft scares most people

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Slavery has never been enjoyable... to the slaves.
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"I can almost hear you rejoicing as Obama pulled the troops out of the mideast"

What fantasy show did that happen on? Last I looked we still have troops in the middle east. I will be very happy when the troops come home but want it to be done in an orderly and safe manner.

"You were overjoyed when Obama closed Gitmo."
Once again, Gitmo is still open. Yes Prisoners will be transferred and Gitmo will be closed in the future but it is still open. Funny thing, people in the US don't want the prisoner's transferred to US Soil so arrangements are being made with other countries to house these prisoners.

"You were filled with glee when Obama distanced himself from and then refused to use hired mercs like Blackwater to do what the constitution wouldn't allow regular military troops."

Ironic, people want us to follow the Constitution to a T but it's bad to not do an end run around it.

"I know you were darn near orgasmic when Obama declared the repealing of the patriot act."


Eight years after being enacted, and three years after being reauthorized, the controversial USA Patriot Act was repealed by Congress by a vote of 99 to 1 in the Senate and 520 to 18 in the House.

Doesn't look like there were too many people against it.

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Sarcasm is a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule.[1] It is first recorded in English in The Shepheardes Calender in 1579:

Tom piper) An Ironical [Sarcasmus], spoken in derision of these rude wits, which make more account of a rhyming Rimbaud, then of skill grounded upon learning and judgment.
—Edmund Spenser[1]

It comes from the ancient Greek σαρκάζω (sarkazo) meaning 'to tear flesh' but the ancient Greek word for the rhetorical concept of taunting was instead χλευασμός (chleyasmόs). Sarcasm appears several times in the Old Testament, for example:

Lo, you see the man is mad; why then have you brought him to me? Do I lack madmen, that you have brought this fellow to play the madman in my presence?
—Achish, king of Gath, I Sam 21:10-15[2]

Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironic way such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humour which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive but understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This sophisticated understanding is lacking in people with brain damage, dementia and autism,[3] and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus.

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Eight years after being enacted, and three years after being reauthorized, the controversial USA Patriot Act was repealed by Congress by a vote of 99 to 1 in the Senate and 520 to 18 in the House.

what? that's news to me

there's not even 500 members of the House... that article is incorrect. i dunno how it got published , but it is the only reference to the so-called repeal of the patriot act

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Eight years after being enacted, and three years after being reauthorized, the controversial USA Patriot Act was repealed by Congress by a vote of 99 to 1 in the Senate and 520 to 18 in the House.

what? that's news to me

there's not even 500 members of the House... that article is incorrect. i dunno how it got published , but it is the only reference to the so-called repeal of the patriot act

http://www.nytimes-se.com/2009/07/04/patriot-act-repealed/

I should have read further. Looks like just another example of misused sarcasm.

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the GOP should be glad they have the health care bill to argue about instead of defending themselves for all the things they did wrong.

it would not surprise me to see some of those "issues" get addressed if things keep going the way they have been the last month or so...

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Things keep going the way they are and we'll soon see another "terrorist" attack of some sort.
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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Sarcasm is a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule.[1] It is first recorded in English in The Shepheardes Calender in 1579:

Tom piper) An Ironical [Sarcasmus], spoken in derision of these rude wits, which make more account of a rhyming Rimbaud, then of skill grounded upon learning and judgment.
—Edmund Spenser[1]

It comes from the ancient Greek σαρκάζω (sarkazo) meaning 'to tear flesh' but the ancient Greek word for the rhetorical concept of taunting was instead χλευασμός (chleyasmόs). Sarcasm appears several times in the Old Testament, for example:

Lo, you see the man is mad; why then have you brought him to me? Do I lack madmen, that you have brought this fellow to play the madman in my presence?
—Achish, king of Gath, I Sam 21:10-15[2]

Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironic way such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humour which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive but understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This sophisticated understanding is lacking in people with brain damage, dementia and autism,[3] and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus.

lol, good post

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Eight years after being enacted, and three years after being reauthorized, the controversial USA Patriot Act was repealed by Congress by a vote of 99 to 1 in the Senate and 520 to 18 in the House.

what? that's news to me

there's not even 500 members of the House... that article is incorrect. i dunno how it got published , but it is the only reference to the so-called repeal of the patriot act

http://www.nytimes-se.com/2009/07/04/patriot-act-repealed/

I should have read further. Looks like just another example of misused sarcasm.

everybody makes mistakes. shake it off: you post well. [Wink]

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quote:
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the GOP should be glad they have the health care bill to argue about instead of defending themselves for all the things they did wrong.

it would not surprise me to see some of those "issues" get addressed if things keep going the way they have been the last month or so...

Exactly.

Is why I say Obama should've stuck to market reform/regulation before advancing to health care. Huge error, both strategic and tactical.

Well, we wanted a rookie, we got a rookie...

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Things keep going the way they are and we'll soon see another "terrorist" attack of some sort.

just a matter of time: peeps conveniently forget how many acts of terrorism we've overcome.

here's a starting point:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:offici al&hs=xAT&ei=vC6SSvncCpC6NbC27JEK&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=histor y+of+terrorism+in+America+USA&spell=1

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the GOP should be glad they have the health care bill to argue about instead of defending themselves for all the things they did wrong.

it would not surprise me to see some of those "issues" get addressed if things keep going the way they have been the last month or so...

it took them all of a few hours to begin the next attempt to take over the news cycle:


CIA likely to be investigated over prisoner abuse

Attorney general urged to reopen terror interrogation files

* Ewen MacAskill in Washington and Julian Borger
* guardian.co.uk, Monday 24 August 2009 13.53 BST


The US is close to ordering a criminal investigation into the conduct of the CIA during the Bush administration, it emerged today.

The US justice department's ethics office has recommended to the attorney general, Eric Holder, that he reopen a host of CIA alleged prisoner abuse cases during the interrogation of al-Qaida suspects.

The disclosure comes on the day that the justice department is scheduled to release an internal investigation into the CIA's behaviour, as well as other documents relating to the agency's treatment of prisoners at Guantánamo and in secret prisons round the world in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/24/cia-investigation-prisoner-abuse


Barack Obama initially said he did not want to look backward, with his advisers saying the row would distract from his heavy domestic and foreign agenda. But Holder is said to have been disturbed by what he read in internal justice department reports and it would be difficult for him to ignore the findings of his ethics office.

they're all disturbed that they lost control of the media [Wink]

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The AFL-CIO draws a line in the sand over the public option.
Yesterday, the AFL-CIO drew “a line in the sand” when it outlined three elements any health care bill it supports must have: a public health insurance option, an employer mandate, and no taxation of health benefits. AFL-CIO Secretary Treasurer Richard Trumka told the press that this means the 11 million member-strong labor organization “won’t support the bill if it doesn’t have the public option in it.” Today, Trumka appeared on MSNBC and explained to Norah O’Donnell that the inclusion of these three elements marks the difference between “coming up with a bill that you have reform and actually having health insurance reform.
The AFL-CIO’s declaration comes at time when there is speculation that Obama may be willing to sacrifice the public option, with reports that “some administration officials welcome a showdown with liberal lawmakers … [for] Obama to show he is willing to stare down his own party to get things done.” Despite the political wrangling over the inclusion of a new public plan in the final health care bill, the public remains overwhelmingly in support of including such an option.

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With almost 20 years inside the health insurance industry, Wendell Potter saw for-profit insurers hijack our health care system and put profits before patients. Now, he speaks with Bill Moyers about how those companies are standing in the way of health care reform.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html

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Finger bitten off during California health protest
(AP) – 37 minutes ago

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — California authorities say a clash between opponents and supporters of health care reform ended with one man biting off another man's finger.

Ventura County Sheriff's Capt. Frank O'Hanlon says about 100 people demonstrating in favor of health care reforms rallied Wednesday night on a street corner. One protester walked across the street to confront about 25 counter-demonstrators.

O'Hanlon says the man got into an argument and fist fight, during which he bit off the left pinky of a 65-year-old man who opposed health care reform.

A hospital spokeswoman says the man lost half the finger, but doctors reattached it and he was sent home the same night.

She says he had Medicare.

O'Hanlon says the attacker fled but authorities have a good description.

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I just find it so ironic, that the guy who got his finger bit off had Medicare, yet he is protesting against public healthcare reform. What does he think Medicare is?

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