and One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. (the book is very differnt from the movie, red the book first then buy/rent the movie) Kesey sued over it as i recall
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Childe Cycle? never heard of it, sounds interesting, the author is extremely well-read...
i avoided reading classics as long as i could, then whe i finally read them? i was amazed at how much of the sci-fi and other "junk-food" i had read had already educated me in them.
before anybody gets mad at me for calling them junk food, it was my parents and teachers who told me that, not my opinion...
I know your a wiki fan, so this should help familiarize with the series. Btw, Dorsai is an alternate name for the series. They are prominent characters in the series.
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yeah i pulled it once you mentioned it.It is known that one of the three historical novels would have dealt with John Milton, the author of Paradise Lost. Judging from the frequent mentions of him in the published science fiction portion of the Cycle, Sir John Hawkwood, a 14th century mercenary, would probably have been the subject of another.
that definitley gets my interest, Milton was as crazy as a loon
looks like a good candidate for AC time, which is about to begin here.
i've had to get a pair of 3.0 glasses to do some real fine detail work in the torch for a jeweler friend and they are too strong for reading, but i think maybe i can find a pair that will make make reading more fun after trying those....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: speaking of Hunter S? Alterd States was also a horrible movie.
i wouldn't mind seeing a movie made based on the Teaching of Don Juan a Yaqi Way-, but IMO it would have to be done by someone who understands the Brujo from their own culture, not from the US culture. In other words> a movie done that shows how the Brujo sees Carlos Castenada as the dillitente fool, who's really only looking for the next big buzz.
For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me is to traverse its full length. And there I travel—looking, looking, breathlessly. don Juan
As I recall, Castaneda did *not* want a movie made, and the estate--or whomever--still has the rights locked up. Might find the answer by following links here:
I've thought quite a bit about how to make the Don Juan movie and believe there's only two ways: 1) make up your own story or 2) get the rights, and make a mini-series length movie-within-a-movie, a bio-pic of Peruvian born Castaneda (warts and all) that shifts POV between that reality and the alternate reality of Dons Juan and Genaro. It would have to be done really well, though, with a Hithcockian sure-handedness, psychologically taut as the old Smiley's People TV movies with Alec Guinness as LeCarre's George Smiley.
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There is a 2nd Anchorman movie coming out for those who liked the first one!
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i didn't know it came out in hardcover or i woulda bought it instead. i got him to sign it for me at a talk he gave at university md.
ist edition paperbacks aren't usually wortt much..
i also owned Stan on Zanzibar but i didn't get it signed...
his work was kinda depressing to me, but i recognised how important his message was even in high school...
my family collects books, one day my mom gave me a big box of old books to take home, (this was after the fire and it was to replenish the bookshelves.)
i pulled gone with the wind offa the top, dust cover on it and opened it up. whatcha know? first edition 400 without dust cover at the time..
she took it back i ddin't argue, there was more treasures as i dug deeper.
she aslo gave me several hundred print and litho books circa 1850 to 1870 that are worth ten times cut up than they are as whole books, but i won't do it. most of the prints are over 100$ each last i checked.
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this is it, but the one i (*had* for ten seconds) wasn't signed
wow:
Mitchell, Margaret: Gone with the Wind, TRUE FIRST EDITION, MAY 1936 (not in Roman numerals) on copyright page, FINE book with Vintage 1937 dustjacket in FINE condition, two 1/4"closed tears to top of spine, dustjacket price-clipped, dustjacket states 28 printings and 875,000 copies, MAY 1936, BOOK ID#: 475, $1,495 See pictures here
this is it, but the one i (*had* for ten seconds) wasn't signed
wow:
Mitchell, Margaret: Gone with the Wind, TRUE FIRST EDITION, MAY 1936 (not in Roman numerals) on copyright page, FINE book with Vintage 1937 dustjacket in FINE condition, two 1/4"closed tears to top of spine, dustjacket price-clipped, dustjacket states 28 printings and 875,000 copies, MAY 1936, BOOK ID#: 475, $1,495 See pictures here
now that's an eye opener. and it looks like the dust jacket is not the correct one... hmmm, i may need to go have a chat with Mom about this
ya, sounds like...
Most of my signed stuff was (is?) by friends, or friends of... so not very valuable, probably, but irreplaceable for me. The other titles I *hope* to find are some of the big-ticket projects I worked on at Harcourt: it's kinda neat to see your own name on the copyright page, lol...
I just picked a load of books (and other stuff) that a professor-turned-buddy had stored in Dallas. Of course, we had several of the same books, from running in the same, or overlapping, crowd since the 70s. But he's got way more signed-by-friends stuff than I had. Has been fun looking through some of his boxes.
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I like the leatherbound books on quigleysbooks. Cool place.
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Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!
Mach,
I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!
Mach,
I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.
not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's
usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...
everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat
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Learned somthing else....silence is a concession.......
Mach,
U suck.........(I am testing Glass's theory)......if I don't here anything back.....I guess we all agree (just kidding).
How about Smokey and the Bandit......I know it is a "B" rated cornball......but Jackie Gleason is a riot.
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"The Outsiders"......film was okay....novella was better....seems to be the definative coming of age story....mixed in with a little adolescent uneasiness. Stellar cast.
I think everyone in that movie ended up having huge careers..... some's careers died a lil early.....and they were all kids at the time.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!
Mach,
I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.
not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's
usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...
everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat
I was actually surprised to learn that it was based from a Stephen King novel.
Robbins is okay.....but Freeman is, as typical.....great.
I would propose The Count of Monte Cristo....Edward Dumass (think a got the last name right).
Recent, but classic.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!
Mach,
I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.
not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's
usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...
everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat
Slapshot is one of my favorite Paul Newman movies...Prolly not the 1st movie that comes to most peoples minds when thinking bout Newman but it is a great flick...
No movies for me tonite, Pens bout to start the 3rd period of game 2...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Neromancer won the PK Dick Award. PK Dick wrote the blade runner novel in '68 and then it was made into a movie before Neuromancer was even written.
don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't a great book, but i think the claim that he started cyberpunk or anything else with it is way overblown.
for instance? Harry Harrison was writing a series called the Stainless Steel Rat in the 60's& 70's which protrayed all of the same concepts as Neuromancer. The Stainless Steel Rat (1961) At the beginning of the first novel, the Stainless Steel Rat believes he has pulled off a successful bank job, but is out-conned into working for the government. In the Special Corps, the elite law-enforcement and spy agency led by the former greatest crook in the Galaxy, Harold P. Inskipp (a.k.a. Inskipp the Uncatchable), he joins the ranks of an organization that is entirely constituted of ex-criminals like himself. In the novel, he has several adventures during which he believes he has escaped from the Corps, and meets his love interest, Angelina, who is even more sociopathic than he is - she too is a criminal genius but lacks Jim's moral strictures against killing. She is attempting to have an illegal space battleship built on a backwoods planet. It transpires that Angelina was born unattractive and committed crimes to pay for her transformation into a beautiful woman; her psychological traumas are cured when Jim captures her, but she retains her allure and her criminal tendencies and joins Jim in the Special Corps. Roger Zelazny was doing alot of the same stuff too.
the difference was that they were writing novellas instead of trilogies...
Phillip Jose Farmer wrote alot of really good stuff. they made his riverworld series into a movie, but it was grade B- at best...
I think you have the definition genre of cyberpunk incorrectly. Blade Runner and the book based on it were never considered cyberpunk but was considered an influence on it. Sort of like saying Led Zep were never considered an Heavy Metal band but were considered a influence on the HM genre. Same concept.
Here's a definition i agree with:
"Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among hackers, artificial intelligences, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth, rather than the far-future settings or galactic vistas found in novels such as Isaac Asimov's Foundation or Frank Herbert's Dune.[5]"
Hackers and/or computer type of characters are predominant in the cyberpunk genre. No such thing is so in Blade Runner/Androids Sheep boo,/movie nor the Stainless Steel Rat book. Though the movie Blade Runner tends to fall into the cyberpunk genre more so then the book itself. But I think that has to do with the setting of Los Angeles and such then anything else.
As for Neuromancer, it won the Philip K. Dick, Nebula and Hugo awards. The triple crown of science fiction awards. Much like the Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Belmont stakes are the Triple Crown of horseracing.
This is what is said about that book:
"William Gibson with his novel Neuromancer (1984) is likely the most famous writer connected with the term cyberpunk. He emphasized style, a fascination with surfaces, and atmosphere over traditional science-fiction tropes. Regarded as ground-breaking and sometimes as "the archetypal cyberpunk work,"
and One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. (the book is very differnt from the movie, red the book first then buy/rent the movie) Kesey sued over it as i recall
"Kesey was originally involved in creating the film, but left two weeks into production. He claimed never to have seen the movie because of a dispute over the $20,000 he was initially paid for the film rights. Kesey loathed the fact that, unlike the book, the film was not narrated by the Chief Bromden character, and he disagreed with Jack Nicholson being cast as Randle McMurphy (he wanted Gene Hackman). Despite this, Faye Kesey has stated that Ken was generally supportive of the film and pleased that it was made."
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i didn't know it came out in hardcover or i woulda bought it instead. i got him to sign it for me at a talk he gave at university md.
ist edition paperbacks aren't usually wortt much..
i also owned Stan on Zanzibar but i didn't get it signed...
his work was kinda depressing to me, but i recognised how important his message was even in high school...
my family collects books, one day my mom gave me a big box of old books to take home, (this was after the fire and it was to replenish the bookshelves.)
i pulled gone with the wind offa the top, dust cover on it and opened it up. whatcha know? first edition 400 without dust cover at the time..
she took it back i ddin't argue, there was more treasures as i dug deeper.
she aslo gave me several hundred print and litho books circa 1850 to 1870 that are worth ten times cut up than they are as whole books, but i won't do it. most of the prints are over 100$ each last i checked.
i have some knowledge about 1st Edition books....
Most but not all come out in hard cover editions and those are the ones that more valuable. Also the UK Editions tend to be more valuable then the US editions simply because the population in the UK is less then the US so less editions are published in the UK therefor making them more rarer. Also because sometimes it comes out in the uK first.It is not always the case but more times then none it is. Also the dust jacket makes up about 80% or more of the value of a 1st edition. No DJ and it's worthless pretty much. Also not all 1st editions are worth anything.
Anyways if you guys are more interested in the subject I would recommend reading :
Book Finds (How to find, buy and sell used books and rare books) by Ian C. Ellis
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!
Mach,
I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.
not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's
usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...
everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat
You a brat? you don't say. lol
As for those being the top 3. We all can name half a dozen or more who are probably just as recognized in that time period.
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quote:Originally posted by Happy Valley: Slapshot is one of my favorite Paul Newman movies...Prolly not the 1st movie that comes to most peoples minds when thinking bout Newman but it is a great flick...
No movies for me tonite, Pens bout to start the 3rd period of game 2...
i loved that movie... especially the brothers who beat people up on the rink lol
anyways as for movies, I saw the most recent Matthew McCounaghy movie with jennifer Garner. Ghosts of Girlsfriends Past... good movie... Michael Douglas was a riot...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: not sure how we're lumping "Bladerunner" in with cy-punk, but, Mach, did you see the posts about Brunner's The Shockwave Rider?
That ties into Toffler, similarly as Castaneda's books result in ties back into Buckminster Fuller.
Yah i read the post on The Shockwave Rider... yah I would consider that definetly proto cyber punk...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: not sure how we're lumping "Bladerunner" in with cy-punk, but, Mach, did you see the posts about Brunner's The Shockwave Rider?
That ties into Toffler, similarly as Castaneda's books result in ties back into Buckminster Fuller.
Yah i read the post on The Shockwave Rider... yah I would consider that definetly proto cyber punk...
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