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well, IMO he started with a flawed story and then hired warhol to help him make it artsy. i never cared for warhol either. i didn't watch the movie real close...

the movie didn't end like the book. in the book he quit punking and decided to become "normal" [Roll Eyes]

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there was another book that was sortof like it called Logans Run that got made into a movie which i did like, but i saw it at the theatre when it came out in the mid 70's- i dunno if i'd like it today if i saw it...

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Yah, movies usually are not the same as the book... i prefer reading the book first then watching the movie.. if i watch a movie first i never read the book...

I'm not a fan of Warhol at all... I didn't know Warhol was involved in this movie?

The music IMO also played a big part with the psychological aspects of the movie as well...something a book could never help you experience... some think the movie should of started with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOBgoSjBoU

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quote:
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there was another book that was sortof like it called Logans Run that got made into a movie which i did like, but i saw it at the theatre when it came out in the mid 70's- i dunno if i'd like it today if i saw it...

Yah, alot of movies in the 70's were based on books. i remember Logan's Run... There are other movies in recent times similar to Logan's Run like The Island, Imposter, Minority Report etc. i forgot the titles of the other ones...

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into the wild was good

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american buffalo was also good

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quote:
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american buffalo was also good

What was that about? Not familiar with that film. Can ya give a short synopsis?

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explores Hunter Thompson..

the 2 that ive seen..with bill murray and johnny depp

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quote:
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explores Hunter Thompson..

the 2 that ive seen..with bill murray and johnny depp

Thanks. I believe I do recall the Depp one. Think it was centered around Las Vegas if memory serves.

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I think it was ...fear and loathing in las vagas

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speaking of Hunter S? Alterd States was also a horrible movie.

i wouldn't mind seeing a movie made based on the Teaching of Don Juan a Yaqi Way-, but IMO it would have to be done by someone who understands the Brujo from their own culture, not from the US culture. In other words> a movie done that shows how the Brujo sees Carlos Castenada as the dillitente fool, who's really only looking for the next big buzz.

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I'm not a fan of Warhol at all... I didn't know Warhol was involved in this movie?

warhol did some sort of thing before Kubrick. Kubrick tapped into alot of his props, whether Warhol was directly involved in filming? i can't say but doubt, Kubrick definitely borrowed from Warhols ideas to make props. Seems to me that Warhols people wold have gone after Kubrick if he had done it without permission so some deal was prolly set up. Also Warhols people may have helped Kubrick get more press, Playboy did a huge spread or was it Penthouse? i don't remember which now, and Warhols props were featured prominently in it....
Kubrick was not popular with the author for alot of reasons after the movie.
Burgess had written a "coming of age novel" (casting off the punk) and claimed Kubrick had glorified the punk.

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I see that they are making a prequel to the original Alien movie. The good part, is Ridley and Tony Scott are behind the iniative(Ridley was the director and creative force behind Alien). I think this movie could have great potential. Dunno if there are any fans of the movie here, but I'd like to see them explore the backstory of that original ship where they found the Aliens, namely the species of that huge pilot they found dead.

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oh yeah, Alien is great sci-fi- top shelf stuff.

as was Minority Report,

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
oh yeah, Alien is great sci-fi- top shelf stuff.

as was Minority Report,

Agreed, this movie could be great because the original director is behind it. I actually liked Minority Report as well. I believe it was based on a Phillip K. Dick short story. Have you ever read that story glass? Just curious as to how close the movie was to his original vision.

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i've read other PK Dick stuff but not that one...

Blade Runner is so far ahead of it's time as a movie. I mean it came out not long after Star Wars and it blew star wars away totally IMO.

I read do androids dream, which is where blade runner came from, but i was in jr high, and not very good at interpreting and judging talent then

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i've read other PK Dick stuff but not that one...

Blade Runner is so far ahead of it's time as a movie. I mena it came out not long after Star Wars and it blew star wars away totally IMO.

I read do androids dream, but i was in jr high, and not very good at interpreting and judging talent then

I've always loved Blade Runner. Great performances by Harrison Ford and Rutger Hauer.

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great filming too.

Children of Men? good film, i didn't read that book, but i've read others of hers that were not sci-fi.

in one scene in Children? the "pink floyd pig" helium balloon is flying outside the mansion of the rich relative that supplies the necessary papers. i thought that was a good touch of art collecting that the rich people were portraying.

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As far as C of M, it was a good premise for a movie. I thought it was decent, but not great. Clive Owen is a good actor in the right part, and he helped make this movie decent to watch.

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I am going to watch "The Taxi Driver" tonight...supposed to be another classic.

I have high hopes for this one because Deniro is in it. Deniro is the man.....one of my favorites.

Pacino("my name is Tony Montana") and Duvall ("I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.") are great too.

D. Washington is going to be a legend too (if not one already).

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quote:
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I am going to watch "The Taxi Driver" tonight...supposed to be another classic.

I have high hopes for this one because Deniro is in it. Deniro is the man.....one of my favorites.

Pacino("my name is Tony Montana") and Duvall ("I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.") are great too.

D. Washington is going to be a legend too (if not one already).

Denzel has a new movie coming out with Travolta. It's a remake/reboot of The taking of Pelham 123. The original was awesome with Martin Balsam and Robert Shaw. Hopefully this one is as good or better.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
[b] Playboy did a huge spread or was it Penthouse?

i guess you only read the articles? [Big Grin]

As for the props, I think Kulbrick was just influenced by Warhol and didn't directly copy his works... I don't think you can sue someone for being influenced by an artwork so long as you do not directly copy a work of art...

As for a coming of age, i hardly think of a novel with such ultra violence to be such lol but perhaps.. i didn't read it and won't only because i seen the movie first...

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
[b] Playboy did a huge spread or was it Penthouse?

i guess you only read the articles? [Big Grin]

As for the props, I think Kulbrick was just influenced by Warhol and didn't directly copy his works... I don't think you can sue someone for being influenced by an artwork so long as you do not directly copy a work of art...

As for a coming of age, i hardly think of a novel with such ultra violence to be such lol but perhaps.. i didn't read it and won't only because i seen the movie first...

I still remember the line from A Clockwork Orange by the rehab guard, he almost screamed it, "Shut your big fat filthy hole!" He says it so fast with that British accent, it's almost hard to catch it. It's always the little things you remember. [Big Grin]

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quote:
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Blade Runner is so far ahead of it's time as a movie. I mean it came out not long after Star Wars and it blew star wars away totally IMO.

It is a great movie but I don't think it beats Star Wars for it's time... SW came out in 1977 and BR came out in 1982.. so 5 year difference... special effects and such got better 5 years later...

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I read do androids dream, which is where blade runner came from, but i was in jr high, and not very good at interpreting and judging talent then
The book was Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? ... A book that is overdue to be a movie is Neuromancer by William Gibson... a cyber punk genre book... actually considered THE cyber punk genre book... started the whole thing and won the triple crown of Sci Fi awards... some words first used in that book are common now like cyberspace and such as well as predicting the internet. You should read it, you would love it. I am currently finishing it right now. I am not sure about the book but the movie Blade Runner borrows heavily from Neuromancer... like the guy with the Origami is in Neuromancer as well as the descriptions of the cities and such... too much to explain but you should read it... Neuromancer is a cross between The Matrix (which borrowed heavily from Neuromancer) and Blade Runner (the cities and characters)...

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How on earth could anyone sit through all of 2001 S.O.......the last half hour looks like a 1980's screen saver off of a Commodore 64.

I actually asked myself aloud; "what the hell am I doing?"

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quote:
Originally posted by rounder1:
I am going to watch "The Taxi Driver" tonight...supposed to be another classic.

I have high hopes for this one because Deniro is in it. Deniro is the man.....one of my favorites.

Pacino("my name is Tony Montana") and Duvall ("I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.") are great too.

D. Washington is going to be a legend too (if not one already).

Wow, you must be a youngin if you haven't seen all these classics til now.

And yes DeNiro is the man. You Talking to me?

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quote:
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How on earth could anyone sit through all of 2001 S.O.......the last half hour looks like a 1980's screen saver off of a Commodore 64.

I actually asked myself aloud; "what the hell am I doing?"

The movie was made in the 70's and you have to watch it for what they predicted the future would be... when you watch a movie stop thinking about what you know in the present... if it helps then imagine HAL in a modern computer way...

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quote:
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I still remember the line from A Clockwork Orange by the rehab guard, he almost screamed it, "Shut your big fat filthy hole!" He says it so fast with that British accent, it's almost hard to catch it. It's always the little things you remember. [Big Grin]

I'm singing in the Rain! I'm singing in the Rain! [Big Grin]

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I've got it!.....

Cool Hand Luke! Everyone has to love that movie.....

"What we got here.... is failure to communicate."

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Neromancer won the PK Dick Award. PK Dick wrote the blade runner novel in '68 and then it was made into a movie before Neuromancer was even written.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't a great book, but i think the claim that he started cyberpunk or anything else with it is way overblown.


for instance? Harry Harrison was writing a series called the Stainless Steel Rat in the 60's& 70's which protrayed all of the same concepts as Neuromancer.
The Stainless Steel Rat (1961)
At the beginning of the first novel, the Stainless Steel Rat believes he has pulled off a successful bank job, but is out-conned into working for the government. In the Special Corps, the elite law-enforcement and spy agency led by the former greatest crook in the Galaxy, Harold P. Inskipp (a.k.a. Inskipp the Uncatchable), he joins the ranks of an organization that is entirely constituted of ex-criminals like himself. In the novel, he has several adventures during which he believes he has escaped from the Corps, and meets his love interest, Angelina, who is even more sociopathic than he is - she too is a criminal genius but lacks Jim's moral strictures against killing. She is attempting to have an illegal space battleship built on a backwoods planet. It transpires that Angelina was born unattractive and committed crimes to pay for her transformation into a beautiful woman; her psychological traumas are cured when Jim captures her, but she retains her allure and her criminal tendencies and joins Jim in the Special Corps.

Roger Zelazny was doing alot of the same stuff too.

the difference was that they were writing novellas instead of trilogies...

Phillip Jose Farmer wrote alot of really good stuff. they made his riverworld series into a movie, but it was grade B- at best...

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i guess you only read the articles?

yeah, i didn't wanna go blind [Big Grin]

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Dune? done twice an dboth movies fell short.

teh second one was alot better, but Dune could be done very well..

Somebody is doing a series now called "The Seeker" based on Terry Goodkinds fantasy series Sword of Truth. It's a TV series and isn't that good. it's better than alotof other TV IMO... comes on after SNL...

i'm waiting till the boxed set comes out so ican watch it in order...
Terry Goodkind's stories seem to be very closely aligned to Robert Jordans series. Jordan wrote wheel of Time and it's much better IMO, but he never finished the series before he got sick and died.....Wheel of Time could make a great decology of movies... but it would be very expensive...

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quote:
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Neromancer won the PK Dick Award. PK Dick wrote the blade runner novel in '68 and then it was made into a movie before Neuromancer was even written.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't a great book, but i think the claim that he started cyberpunk or anything else with it is way overblown.


for instance? Harry Harrison was writing a series called the Stainless Steel Rat in the 60's& 70's which protrayed all of the same concepts as Neuromancer.
The Stainless Steel Rat (1961)
At the beginning of the first novel, the Stainless Steel Rat believes he has pulled off a successful bank job, but is out-conned into working for the government. In the Special Corps, the elite law-enforcement and spy agency led by the former greatest crook in the Galaxy, Harold P. Inskipp (a.k.a. Inskipp the Uncatchable), he joins the ranks of an organization that is entirely constituted of ex-criminals like himself. In the novel, he has several adventures during which he believes he has escaped from the Corps, and meets his love interest, Angelina, who is even more sociopathic than he is - she too is a criminal genius but lacks Jim's moral strictures against killing. She is attempting to have an illegal space battleship built on a backwoods planet. It transpires that Angelina was born unattractive and committed crimes to pay for her transformation into a beautiful woman; her psychological traumas are cured when Jim captures her, but she retains her allure and her criminal tendencies and joins Jim in the Special Corps.

Roger Zelazny was doing alot of the same stuff too.

the difference was that they were writing novellas instead of trilogies...

Phillip Jose Farmer wrote alot of really good stuff. they made his riverworld series into a movie, but it was grade B- at best...

I would like to see Gordon Dickson's Childe Cycle made into a movie.

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Wheel of Time series? almost 3 million words and counting.

I have read them all twice.

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Childe Cycle? never heard of it, sounds interesting, the author is extremely well-read...

i avoided reading classics as long as i could, then whe i finally read them? i was amazed at how much of the sci-fi and other "junk-food" i had read had already educated me in them.

before anybody gets mad at me for calling them junk food, it was my parents and teachers who told me that, not my opinion...

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