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I'm curious to see this movie but i'm disturbed by the fact that the two young children in the movie who played the two main characters as children were not compensated for their roles which could of improved their lives...

The girls' father tried to sell her for $200,000 to a Saudi Arabian i believe.

The boys' home got tored down by the Gov't for being illegal.. so now him and his family are living on the street literally... as far as i know all the boy got for his role was a signed poster from the director Danny Boyle...

But anyways i forgot to mention that i also want to see the new Transformers movie... i have a thing for Megan Fox...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Visited my parents tonight and watched Pale Rider while I was there on TV. IMO one of the greatest westerns of all time but then again I think Clint was the greatest onscreen cowboy of all time... I will be seeing Terminator Salvation tomorrow...
 

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Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
Checked out X-Men Origins today...Pretty decent, thought Liev Schreiber did a great job with the Sabertooth character...Will echo what Mach said earlier, film is definately a little more serious in nature as compared to the previous X-Men movies...Read somewhere there may be Gambit and Deadpool spinoffs in the works...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
I just saw Terminator Salvation. Great movie. Imo it blows away the first 3 movies and much like the recent batman movies and Wolvering Origins it is a more serious movie then the first 3 Terminators. Christian Bale deserves his stardom.There is also a surprise in the movie towards the end.

For you gun buffs, you'll love this movie. Seems like this year is the year of action movies. For whoever goes see this movie extra brownie points if you can guess what the character Marcus represents that is famous in American cinema.

HV, yes I thought Liev Schreiber was a great Sabertooth. A underrated actor imo. His star will come. I read the same thing about spinoffs but only for Gambit. Haven't read anything about Deadpool.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
Star Trek is *very* good. I compare it to the new James Bond re-do...

It's tough to "pre-quel" an established character, and in this case it could have been disastrous, given Shatner's scene-chewing, over-the-top bombast.

Don't get me wrong--he hit the times perfectly, for TV. Great TV show.

But this movie hits the reset button and brings the performances in line with current expectations for a "blockbuster" movie...and it's not only the Kirk character: McCoy is realized in an inspired performance, as is Chekov. Sulu, Uhura and Pike are workmanlike and more than competent. But the others are inspired.

Nicely done, artistically--and pure genius business-wise. I expect this crew to get at least 3-4 good movies in this run.
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Machiavelli:

"Visited my parents tonight and watched Pale Rider while I was there on TV. IMO one of the greatest westerns of all time but then again I think Clint was the greatest onscreen cowboy of all time... "

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You might get a lot of argument from that statement from old time western buffs.

There are many great actors of westerns long before Clint was big time or even in show business.

I would have to put John Wayne way ahead in this category with a few of his classics.

I do like Clint, but he comes from a little different era of cowboy.

Now if you want to go Space Cowboys that's a different story.
 

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I watched the movie "W" last night.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
last movie i watched was Dawn Patrol- 1938, Errol Flynn, Basil Rathbone, David Niven. excellent movie
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Quote Machiavelli:


You might get a lot of argument from that statement from old time western buffs.

There are many great actors of westerns long before Clint was big time or even in show business.

I would have to put John Wayne way ahead in this category with a few of his classics.

I do like Clint, but he comes from a little different era of cowboy.

Now if you want to go Space Cowboys that's a different story.

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I watched the movie "W" last night.

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Originally posted by glassman:
last movie i watched was Dawn Patrol- 1938, Errol Flynn, Basil Rathbone, David Niven. excellent movie

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I liked David Niven in a movie called Stairway to Heaven... was an excellent movie... but haven't seen it in years...
 

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Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Debbie Does Dallas

Acting wasn't great, but had good special effects....she could make things disapear
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Machiavelli:

"Come on, nothing John Wayne did onscreen impressed me as a Cowboy except perhaps his last movie where he is riding a horse and holding the reins with his teeth while shooting his guns/rifles."

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I might have missed a few, but below are some pretty good ones. I am not that familiar with his early movies, but it seems like John Ford directed a few.

Clint made his mark mainly from those Italian westerns, Rawhide and a real classic, Paint Your Wagon. Still not in the same category as the Duke in westerns.


HAUNTED GOLD (Warners, 1932)
RIDERS OF DESTINY (Lone Star/Monogram, 1933)
THE TRAIL BEYOND (Lone Star/Monogram, 1934)
WINDS OF THE WASTELAND (Republic, 1936)
OVERLAND STAGE RAIDERS (Republic, 1938, Three Mesquiteers' series)
WYOMING OUTLAW (Republic, 1939, Three Mesquiteers' series
THE ALAMO (1960)
THE COWBOYS (1972)
THE SHOOTIST (1976)
Rooster Cogburn (1975)
Cahill U.S. Marshal (1973)
The Train Robbers (1973)
Big Jake (1971)
Rio Lobo (1970)
Chisum (1970)
The Undefeated (1969)
True Grit (1969)
The War Wagon (1967)
El Dorado (1966)
The Sons of Katie Elder (1965)
McLintock! (1963)
How the West Was Won (1962)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
The Comancheros (1961)
North to Alaska (1960)
The Horse Soldiers (1959)
Rio Bravo (1959)
The Searchers (1956)
Hondo (1953)
Rio Grande (1950)
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949)
3 Godfathers (1948)
Red River (1948)
Fort Apache (1948)
Angel and the Badman (1947)
Stagecoach (1939)
The Big Trail (1930)
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Iwish,
It's not how many movies you make but the quality of those movies. Clint's Man with No Name character is far more memorable then any cowboy John Wayne played. Wiki said it best in this statement:

"Unlike the traditional cowboy, exemplified by actors John Wayne, Alan Ladd, and Randolph Scott, the Man with No Name will fight dirty and shoot first, if required by his own self-defined sense of justice."

Traditional cowboys are a dime a dozen in the movies and not as memorable imo. Clint's Man with No Name was/is instantly recognizable. JW is more recognize for his voice/accent then his characters. The only JW cowboy movie that I can recall that I like is The Horse Soldiers. Excellent movie but I liked Clints' westerns far better. The Preacher (Pale Rider) and Josie Wales were so much more memorable.
 

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Posted by raybond on :
 
JW is the best I will always love Hondo IMHO One of the top wasterns

And true grit was a classic that will be at the top forever.

Nobody but the Duke could have played thoes parts like the Duke
 

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I watched the movie "W" last night.

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Did you like it? What did you think of it? etc.

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I think it shows how Bush never really had to earn anything in his life.
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Machiavelli:

Iwish,
It's not how many movies you make but the quality of those movies. Clint's Man with No Name character is far more memorable then any cowboy John Wayne played. _________________________________________________

It's got nothing to do with how many movies he made, that list shows many classic westerns to be considered really great westerns by many.

You might like Clints modern day westerns, at least considered that at that time. I liked them some, but they got rather boring after awhile.

They are not in the same category as some of the really great westerns.

Clints westerns started leaning towards the younger generations type of western. Kind of like many of the movies today, the more real and bloody and nasty, the better the movie.

I have never felt that a movie had to be nasty and bloody to be good. I really do not need to see guts hanging out, or a gun put to someone's head to like a movie. But it appears that's what many want these days.

They try not to leave much for the imagination anymore.

A little bit of that goes a long ways for me.
 

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Posted by jgrecoconstr on :
 
Imo The best John Wayne movie by far was the Searchers probably to me the best western made. If you wanted to go the TV route there is nothing yet made or ever made that has compared to Lonesome Dove it even tops the Searchers.
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
I knew there had to be a few John Wayne fans out there.

Even Jgrecoconstr likes him.

Jgrecoconst gets charge by the hour to keep him over here instead of the stock side of the board.

Machiavelli probably has all of John Wayne's DVD's.

How can you not like Chism, War Wagon, The Searchers, True Grit, The Undefeated etc. if you like Westerns.

He made a few big war movies with some big name casts in them also. Midway, The Longest Day, etc.


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loved Big Jake...
 

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Clint Eastwood would win against John Wayne hands down. Hes just that much more of a better shot and badass all around.
 

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Posted by jgrecoconstr on :
 
Tex, that was a pretty sucky ending to 24 wasn't it........ I sat there and said That's it!!! That's the ending??? A great season but I thought a sh---y ending.
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Clint Eastwood would win against John Wayne hands down. Hes just that much more of a better shot and badass all around.

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+10 ... JW's characters went by rules in a gun fight... damnit there is no rules in a street gun fight lol sort of like if we ourselves got into a street fight and made up a rule that no hitting each other in the ballz... Clint's gunfights were more realistic in terms of no rules and much more exciting...

JW's gun fights tend to bore me and not realistic... the ole white hat and black hat and white hat kills black hat and gets the girl and walks into the sunset... get's overdone imo... There was nothing "clean" about the Old West...

The only movies that I like of JW (hated his politics and hated how he portrayed himself as patriotic but avoided serving in WW2 unlike Jimmy Stewart and others who did serve)off the top of my head was :

The Quiet Man
The Horse Soldiers
The Green Berets (totally unrealistic)
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Clint Eastwood would win against John Wayne hands down. Hes just that much more of a better shot and badass all around.

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Have to be a badass in the Old West... nothing badass about JW's cowboys... I watched For a Few Dollars More the other night on TV... such a great movie... Clint is such a badass no matter what kind of movie he is in...
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Machiavelli:

"10 ... JW's characters went by rules in a gun fight... damnit there is no rules in a street gun fight lol sort of like if we ourselves got into a street fight and made up a rule that no hitting each other in the ballz... Clint's gunfights were more realistic in terms of no rules and much more exciting...

JW's gun fights tend to bore me and not realistic... the ole white hat and black hat and white hat kills black hat and gets the girl and walks into the sunset... get's overdone imo... There was nothing "clean" about the Old West...

The only movies that I like of JW (hated his politics and hated how he portrayed himself as patriotic but avoided serving in WW2 unlike Jimmy Stewart and others who did serve)off the top of my head was :

The Quiet Man
The Horse Soldiers
The Green Berets (totally unrealistic)'

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Again different styles of westerns and different style of actors in some ways. They both portray tough guys in their own different ways.

I also think that John Wayne Westerns portrayed what many people still wanted to feel. They wanted fairness and morality and cheating was not the thing to do. Fair gun fight, fair fights, no shooting in the back etc.

This was and era that was changing and we were still part of the 50's in a sense, most of our parents were still alive and fairly young.

Some of us here were in our younger years during these times. There were a lot of changes that were going on and books, internet etc. can't completely explain these times. Not even sure i can explain it.

Those italian westerns seem to have had a short live era.

I would assume if they thought there was enough following for that type of western in the US they would have kept making them.

There has been enough westerns made since and they don't seem to follow that format.

Actually one of my favorite Clint movies besides Space Cowboys was Heartbreak Ridge.

As far as the movie Green Berets, are you sure that was totally unrealistic, what do you base your opinion on?
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
"+10 ... JW's characters went by rules in a gun fight... damnit there is no rules in a street gun fight lol sort of like if we ourselves got into a street fight and made up a rule that no hitting each other in the ballz... [Roll Eyes] Clint's gunfights were more realistic in terms of no rules and much more exciting...

JW's gun fights tend to bore me and not realistic... the ole white hat and black hat and white hat kills black hat and gets the girl and walks into the sunset... get's overdone imo... There was nothing "clean" about the Old West..."

I guess you missed some of Wayne's movies like "Red River" and "The Man who Shot Liberty Valance" and "The Searchers" to name a couple. He didn't exactly play by the rules.

There is no doubting Eastwood as a premier actor in westerns. But Wayne was what might be called a pioneer of the Westerns. It's not unlike comparing ballplayers from different era's very tough to do.

Another thing is that the characters both portrayed were written by screenwriters or authors so to say that Wayne's characters were less compelling than Eastwood's says more about the writing than the actors themselves.

Both play compelling characters just in different manners, according to the script and also the era. Each in their own right are ICONS of the Western Genre.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
movies are not SUPPOSED to portray reality.

they are Art.

Clints' movies were no more realistic than JW's.

Clint's founding western movies were low budget spaghetti westerns.

JW was owned by the studios he and all other actors at the time pretty much did what the studio told them to do. they had some bargaining power as they became more famous, but not much.

i liked JW in the Quiet Man. he killed somebody in the ring and it emacsculated him, he had to find a good fight to get his doodads back.
just another message of dealing with post-war trauma.
Hemingway made his living offa writing about this stuff too.

the real question is can a big high budget movie studio make Art better than low budget "starving artist" independant studio.


i totally agree with Iwish, the 50's were a very idealistic time. the Lone Ranger, Zorro, all that "hero" stuff.

that was America's way of dealing with PTSD from the WW2. it was an Homage to the sacrifices that our troops made in W2. it was a clear message that there is a proper "human" way to go about killing.

Clints' ruff edge was a statement against war if you think about it.

he was saying there's no rules, and he was putting it right in your face. but his characters had no social value whatsoever, they merely survived. just like animals do.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
if you see movies as art? then you have to ask yourself if this move towards prequels and sequels is a good sign.

they show a lack of ability to come up with new characters and dilemmas. On the other hand? they show an active participatory interest by the patrons of the Art. why dow we try to keep Captian Kirk alive insrtead of allowing his "figmentary existence" just remain what it is?

they are kinda like the comic books. it was "big news" today that Archie finally proposed to Veronica (?) after 67 years...
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

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Originally posted by jgrecoconstr:
Tex, that was a pretty sucky ending to 24 wasn't it........ I sat there and said That's it!!! That's the ending??? A great season but I thought a sh---y ending.

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Originally posted by glassman:
movies are not SUPPOSED to portray reality.

they are Art.

Clints' movies were no more realistic than JW's.

Clint's founding western movies were low budget spaghetti westerns.

JW was owned by the studios he and all other actors at the time pretty much did what the studio told them to do. they had some bargaining power as they became more famous, but not much.

i liked JW in the Quiet Man. he killed somebody in the ring and it emacsculated him, he had to find a good fight to get his doodads back.
just another message of dealing with post-war trauma.
Hemingway made his living offa writing about this stuff too.

the real question is can a big high budget movie studio make Art better than low budget "starving artist" independant studio.


i totally agree with Iwish, the 50's were a very idealistic time. the Lone Ranger, Zorro, all that "hero" stuff.

that was America's way of dealing with PTSD from the WW2. it was an Homage to the sacrifices that our troops made in W2. it was a clear message that there is a proper "human" way to go about killing.

Clints' ruff edge was a statement against war if you think about it.

he was saying there's no rules, and he was putting it right in your face. but his characters had no social value whatsoever, they merely survived. just like animals do.

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odd...was just re-reading The Sun Also Rises this morning
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
if you see movies as art? then you have to ask yourself if this move towards prequels and sequels is a good sign.

they show a lack of ability to come up with new characters and dilemmas. On the other hand? they show an active participatory interest by the patrons of the Art. why dow we try to keep Captian Kirk alive insrtead of allowing his "figmentary existence" just remain what it is?

they are kinda like the comic books. it was "big news" today that Archie finally proposed to Veronica (?) after 67 years...

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Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
I also think that John Wayne Westerns portrayed what many people still wanted to feel. They wanted fairness and morality and cheating was not the thing to do. Fair gun fight, fair fights, no shooting in the back etc.

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Actually one of my favorite Clint movies besides Space Cowboys was Heartbreak Ridge.

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As far as the movie Green Berets, are you sure that was totally unrealistic, what do you base your opinion on?

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Originally posted by glassman:
movies are not SUPPOSED to portray reality.

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i liked JW in the Quiet Man. he killed somebody in the ring and it emacsculated him, he had to find a good fight to get his doodads back.
just another message of dealing with post-war trauma.
Hemingway made his living offa writing about this stuff too.

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the real question is can a big high budget movie studio make Art better than low budget "starving artist" independant studio.

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that was America's way of dealing with PTSD from the WW2. it was an Homage to the sacrifices that our troops made in W2. it was a clear message that there is a proper "human" way to go about killing.

Clints' ruff edge was a statement against war if you think about it.

he was saying there's no rules, and he was putting it right in your face. but his characters had no social value whatsoever, they merely survived. just like animals do.

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odd...was just re-reading The Sun Also Rises this morning

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i'm currently reading For Whom the Bell Tolls... long ass book and difficult to find time to read it and also the weird language they use doesn't help... recently finished Old Man and the Sea... my favorite Hemingway book due to fact I'm a fishing buff and also Swordfish is one of my faves to eat...

But anyways Hemingway and other American lits were brilliant writers like Fitzgerald, Steinbeck, Poe etc.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
GB was made in 68 tho, it was not as polished as movies made ten years later, but then most movies weren't...
. JW was definiteley making a political statement in support of th ewar, but i think the movie was fairly realistic and blunt. it portrayed alot of loss and very little "win"

it was JW being supportive of the cause and the troops, which might annoy some people, but i don't think it was unrealistic or untruthful

i saw it when it was released, when i was in elem school, and it made me think about how ugly war really is with the kids getting hurt and losing people? i identified with it pretty directly.

as for pine tree in the Nam? you obviously have never been there. there are plenty

as for "realistic" war movies? i don't like Mel Gibson much but We Were Soldiers Once, and Young is very realistic too.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Originally posted by glassman:
movies are not SUPPOSED to portray reality.

That is so untrue..

LOL... and you call yourself a movie buff?

Again i don't think it has anything to do with War.... anything can be compared and construed with War experiences but it doesn't make it so... and there is no "proper" human way to killing... it's kill or be killed... to survive like the animals we are...


in other words? you don't think much do you.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i don't think these types of movies had anything to do with war... just has to do with someone dealing with tragic events regardless of where it took place...

you seriously mean this? have you ever taken any college level lit courses? cuz there's mountains of papers written by scholars on the subject. enough to bore the crap outa me.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
and there is no "proper" human way to killing... it's kill or be killed... to survive like the animals we are...

speak for yourself. i am not an animal and i know many humans.
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Machiavelli:

"That fine and all but that was now how the real Wild West was... you can read the exploits about Billy the Kid and other outlaws to know that...


But seriously other then minor mistakes like that you only have to put GB side by side by other Nam movies like Full Metal Jacket/Platoon/Apocalypse Now etc. and see which is more realistic..."

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As far as the real west that is probably true.

But i don't think most people go or went to the movies to see the real west in movies. Most want their hero's all good and the bad guys all bad, black and white, always a bit of fantasy, but if we want the real world every day, why go see a movie.

We have changed a ton since the 40's, 50's etc.
But i still think we need some of that fantasy in our lives.

Look at the different wrestling federations and how they have grown over the years, they have built their audiances on the good guys versus the bad guys and sometimes they even flip flop, but they want them clear cut in most instances and i think we still do also.

People still want a part of that fantasy world, can't really blame them, the real one gets pretty ugly at times.


Comparing Vietnam War movies to reality is a tough one. Each seems to draw some realism, but then uses it to expand the movie to where each director wants it to go, i am not sure i have a clue at times.

I would guess the most unrealistic one might be Apocalypse Now, more of the Twilight Zone idea, although not a bad movie and a couple of big names in there.

I watch a movie hopefully to get entertained. The movies are not cheap anymore if you buy the popcorn and a drink, so i want a lot for my money... good luck

The question i have for you Machiavelli, is why would you want realistic gun scenes, if you hate what guns represent?

It just seems like you would be the last to want that.
 

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Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
Watched the movie "Taken" today...Tons of action...Liam Neeson played a good azz kicker...Plot is pretty disturbing, in the end you find yourself hoping the bad guys get everything they have coming...Definately worth a rental imo...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
The question i have for you Machiavelli, is why would you want realistic gun scenes, if you hate what guns represent?

It just seems like you would be the last to want that.

too many people make the assumption what they see about guns in particular in the movies is real...

it's not, they shoot blanks which don't make the guns jump like a real round. a real gun like an M-16 is so loud it hurts your ears you never get that on a movie either...

then there's the biggest fools who see movies and want to "become" the action hero.. so they go on shooting rampages..
even if it's villainous? they get the fame and glory, the News then obliges them by talking non-stop about them...

directors aren't trying to re-create reality. they are trying to make it more interesting than reality is.

a case in point is the recent claim here that the north hollywood robbers weren't weighed down by their 50 pounds of body armour.

i was urged to watch a movie about it to find out how unburdened they "really" were, but the movie was just that, a movie, a re-enactment by actors..

if you want reality? you watch a Documentary and even they are not "real" because the subjects become actors in their movie...they begin to make themselves act to "improve" the movie... it's just how people are.

we don't read fiction for "reality" we don't watch movies for reality...

i'm watching (sortof) The Devils Tomb right now- it's awful, save your money its mostly cherry pie being splattered all or people...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
JW was definiteley making a political statement in support of th ewar, but i think the movie was fairly realistic and blunt. it portrayed alot of loss and very little "win"

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it was JW being supportive of the cause and the troops, which might annoy some people, but i don't think it was unrealistic or untruthful

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i saw it when it was released, when i was in elem school, and it made me think about how ugly war really is with the kids getting hurt and losing people? i identified with it pretty directly.

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as for pine tree in the Nam? you obviously have never been there. there are plenty

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as for "realistic" war movies? i don't like Mel Gibson much but We Were Soldiers Once, and Young is very realistic too.

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Originally posted by glassman:
Originally posted by glassman:
movies are not SUPPOSED to portray reality.

That is so untrue..

LOL... and you call yourself a movie buff?

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in other words? you don't think much do you.

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Originally posted by glassman:


you seriously mean this? have you ever taken any college level lit courses? cuz there's mountains of papers written by scholars on the subject. enough to bore the crap outa me.

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Originally posted by glassman:
and there is no "proper" human way to killing... it's kill or be killed... to survive like the animals we are...

speak for yourself. i am not an animal and i know many humans.

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Originally posted by glassman:
"The story occurs in southern Vietnam, which does not have pine trees, though numerous scenes in the film are shot around stands of pine trees."


sorry dude, whoever told you that is just wrong.

besides? even if it did? you can hardly blame them for not shooting on location.

i've watched the Green Berets agan since childhood, it did not glorify war. it showed friends losing friends it showed children getting punji sticks. it showed people dying on both sides of ingorious deaths...

what it glorified was the sacrifices soldiers go thru in war. it glorified honor, which you, by your own words, seem to have no sense of, in fact you say over and over again that honor is foolish.

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the differences between humans and animals, it's not something you can teach someone in a few sentences.

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Originally posted by Happy Valley:
Watched the movie "Taken" today...Tons of action...Liam Neeson played a good azz kicker...Plot is pretty disturbing, in the end you find yourself hoping the bad guys get everything they have coming...Definately worth a rental imo...

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Originally posted by glassman:
too many people make the assumption what they see about guns in particular in the movies is real...

it's not, they shoot blanks which don't make the guns jump like a real round. a real gun like an M-16 is so loud it hurts your ears you never get that on a movie either...

then there's the biggest fools who see movies and want to "become" the action hero.. so they go on shooting rampages..
even if it's villainous? they get the fame and glory, the News then obliges them by talking non-stop about them...

directors aren't trying to re-create reality. they are trying to make it more interesting than reality is.

a case in point is the recent claim here that the north hollywood robbers weren't weighed down by their 50 pounds of body armour.

i was urged to watch a movie about it to find out how unburdened they "really" were, but the movie was just that, a movie, a re-enactment by actors..

if you want reality? you watch a Documentary and even they are not "real" because the subjects become actors in their movie...they begin to make themselves act to "improve" the movie... it's just how people are.

we don't read fiction for "reality" we don't watch movies for reality...

i'm watching (sortof) The Devils Tomb right now- it's awful, save your money its mostly cherry pie being splattered all or people...

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There was no honor in Vietnam

you are confused as usual.

honor is in people. their was no doubt honor in the north vietnamese people and honor in the south vietnamese people.

there was also honor in our people. not all of any of those groups wer full of honor, but there was some in all, and much in many.

i would not expect someone who says greed is good to understand this tho.

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Honor among thieves... and yes there were some honor in Wars... usually the dead ones...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Btw the North Hollywood incident I sent you clips of the real robbers because you mentioned the re-enactment one... the real robbers weren't acting...


LOL.. they weren't running either but you had an excuse for that too... the clips that showed them moving briskly were re-enactments from th e history channel movie... sheesh

give up you can't win
 

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I believe but it does show you know about as much about Vietnam as I do...

uh, once again you are FOS. waht's new?

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I believe but it does show you know about as much about Vietnam as I do...

uh, once again you are FOS. waht's new?

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and your turning into an azz again without provocation so what else is new...

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LOL.. they weren't running either but you had an excuse for that too... the clips that showed them moving briskly were re-enactments from th e history channel movie... sheesh

give up you can't win

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Originally posted by glassman:
it's called reciprocity. you know DaLat is in the south right? LOL...

i'm not here to be popular, never was. ask anybody, they'll agree.. why does that bother you so much? if i was looking to be popular i'd be somewhere else.

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You could of fooled me. Anyways that is not what bothers me. What bothers me is when you start being an azz to someone when they weren't to you. And maybe i was in the past thread but I wasn't being one to you in this one. I made a thread for the crew so we could recommend movies to each other and not one to make it a c*ck fest like you like to do which is evident...

I belong to another forum for music that has an exact same thread like this one... it was what inspired me to create this one and guess what? Not one single fight or insult to each other... just people recommending movies to each other and saying why... and most of them are younger then you and me... says alot about someone 10 years older then me who can't have a convo in a thread without turning it into a fight eventually instead of having a friendly convo and recommending a movie to us... something up your azz lately and it is obvious...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
my gosh, this is in the wiki page on Da Lat. what is that? a pine tree?

wow...


 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
something up your azz lately and it is obvious...

LOL.. nope nothing in me has changed it's your desire to prove me wrong that has changed. getting frustrated?
 

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just to prove what i have seen with my own eyes?

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just to prove what i have seen with my own eyes?

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Yah, i forgot you been to every country except Iceland...

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something up your azz lately and it is obvious...

LOL.. nope nothing in me has changed it's your desire to prove me wrong that has changed. getting frustrated?

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actually you originally said they weren't weighed down by their armour, but you couldn't prove it.

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i proved it with the actual clips that they could move quite easily and i don't mean running... even Pagan or someone else said the same to you... but anyways whateva...

So ok... I'll skip that Devils whatever movie you mentioned...

I might go see Going to Hell which debuted tonight... on sunday i mean... got good reviews in the paper today which I was surprised... horror related movies usually don't...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Mach, serious as a heart attack? this is wher you got me "rolling":

honor is a fantasy the military feeds us to justify what they do sometimes that is not honorable ala My Lai...

My Lai happened. just like people get killed in the streets and Mexcio by gangs.

i don't know why you deny the existnce of honor. but i not only beleive in it, i try to live it and so do alot of us, and it si what separates us fromt eh animals. and it is what aheckofalot of movies are about.

somehow? i don't beleive you when you try to deny the existence of it.


i'm not putting myself out as an example for other people to live by, it's for myself. and it is very real to me, so i will always take issue with peopl that don't respect it. i don't demand it from others either. heck i don't even expect it from most people, that would be foolish. but it exists, and to people who care about it? it's extremely important. it's not easy to teach either.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
hen i turn this computer off i go about my life and could care less about you... now that must be frustrating to you... no one caring about you and hearing your rants of I am right I am right...

uh that's a pretty strange concept to me, the fact that you imagine it is well kinda spooky.
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Wow, your still on this. Now that is spooky. Someone who cannot let something go.

Going to Hell I think is the only good movie to see this weekend or perhaps Night at the Museum... the first one was ok...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
actually i was looking for a picture of the opposite of honor to make the point, i think this will do:



now that's funny. George Lucas plagiarized from Dick Cheney's autobiography to create Darth Vader
 

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Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Machiavelli:

Others have said it best so i will just paste their statements:

"The film is criticized for glorifying the Vietnam War, and, in 2005, Chicago newspaper movie critic Roger Ebert enumerated it in his list of most-hated films for being a "heavy-handed, remarkably old-fashioned film."

"The story occurs in southern Vietnam, which does not have pine trees, though numerous scenes in the film are shot around stands of pine trees."


as for "realistic" war movies? i don't like Mel Gibson much but We Were Soldiers Once, and Young is very realistic too.

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We just see the definition of totally unrealistic and glorifying war differently.

I don't see where the movie The Green Berets glorified war, unless losing friends and kids is glorifying. Maybe it glorified the Green Berets a little more than they should have.

There should be some glory in losing your life for your country and maybe saving a friend, otherwise what is there?

In some ways most war movies and westerns try to take the edge off by making the main character bigger than life most of the time, so i guess in a sense that is glorifying the main character, but i think that's what we want no matter what the movie is.

When you stated that the movie Green Berets was totally unrealistic, i wasn't thinking in terms of trees or ground that might not be identicle, i looked at the main story behind what happened in Vietnam as related to the Green Berets.

Im not sure if i ever saw a pine tree in Vietnam, really didn't care unless i was getting shot at and it gave me cover.

I remember the rubber trees mainly because they were no fire zones for us and fire zones for them.

I also remember that awfull red clay soil that use to stick on us like glue.

But as far as the Green Berets and forward LZ's that the story seems to stem around, they were very real and they use to work with the ARVN troops.

My unit had occasions when we were air mobiled in, to be the outer perimeter around these LZ's when the Green Berets thought they might get hit.

All i remember is the Green Berets drinking beer and having hot meals, while we ate sea rations and got the saft. If this LZ did get hit they had to go through us first to get at them.

These guys were suppose to be the bad as..... not us draftee's.

That's when i thought i got drafted in the wrong army like Goldee Hawn did.

The Green Beret training was to work with the local forces just like the movie, and they did run into their own sh...

I don't try getting to picky to think everything in these movies is going to be identicle to what ever situation or place they are trying to get across.

It just does not seem possible to do unless they shoot on location.
 

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Posted by jordanreed on :
 
I watched... little miss sunshine


wow! what an amazing, realistic movie!!



 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
All i remember is the Green Berets drinking beer and having hot meals, while we ate sea rations and got the saft. If this LZ did get hit they had to go through us first to get at them.

These guys were suppose to be the bad as..... not us draftee's.

That's when i thought i got drafted in the wrong army like Goldee Hawn did.

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It just does not seem possible to do unless they shoot on location.

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Originally posted by jordanreed:
I watched... little miss sunshine


wow! what an amazing, realistic movie!!

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Originally posted by jordanreed:
I watched... little miss sunshine


wow! what an amazing, realistic movie!!

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I never watched this one because the title turned me off... what is it about anyways without giving away the movie?

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If I remember correctly, it was about a pre-teen beauty pageant, like a road trip or something. I'm just wondering if jordan was being facetious after the previous board comments.
 

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Posted by jordanreed on :
 
oh..it could of been a mite tongue=in=cheek...


but it was a good chick flick..


alan arkin was in it and i like his acting style..
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
I think you guys love each other (glassman & Mach).....there may be a future for you two in California.....

Oh yeah,....the supreme court held up "prop 8".....to bad. Guess you two will have be content with acting married in this forum (just kidding).

I figure that people who are into trading may be into gambling in general. If you have not seen it; I would recommend "Rounders."

It's decent for a movie. If you like Poker and the gambler's mentality; it's great.

Mach,
As for "Greed being Good".....I want argue that to much. Just remember,"Pigs get fat, Hogs get slaughtered."
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL, i see your point, i fight with Mach more than i do with my wife. if Mach looks like a dixie chicken it might just.....

as for gambling in general? pinksheets are like roullette. if you make a little money? walk away with it. the longer you play? the more the house takes (always)
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
"Rounders" is one of my favorites....not exceptionally good; I just see a lot of me in some of the characters. Hence the name I chose to be called on this message board......btw, I noticed some crappy English in my last post....forgive me. I have noticed that b/cause I type a lot; I often mis-type words like "want" and "won't." Not sure why.

Unrelated to the topic at hand.....I am new to trading and to message boards in general. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can better educate myself?

I am a Poker transplant....love poker; but got kind of burned out on it. Thought about trading and have fallen in love with it (so far); but I know that I am in for a major burn if I don't learn how it all works and what a lot of this terminology means.

I am not trying to crowd this forum or change the topic....just felt better asking for help in this informal thread.

Not ashamed to ask for any guidance and please do not be concerned with coming off as condecending.....assume that I know nothing; because essentially, that's exactly what I know.
 

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Posted by Pagan on :
 

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Originally posted by rounder1:
"Rounders" is one of my favorites....not exceptionally good; I just see a lot of me in some of the characters. Hence the name I chose to be called on this message board......btw, I noticed some crappy English in my last post....forgive me. I have noticed that b/cause I type a lot; I often mis-type words like "want" and "won't." Not sure why.

Unrelated to the topic at hand.....I am new to trading and to message boards in general. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can better educate myself?

I am a Poker transplant....love poker; but got kind of burned out on it. Thought about trading and have fallen in love with it (so far); but I know that I am in for a major burn if I don't learn how it all works and what a lot of this terminology means.

I am not trying to crowd this forum or change the topic....just felt better asking for help in this informal thread.

Not ashamed to ask for any guidance and please do not be concerned with coming off as condecending.....assume that I know nothing; because essentially, that's exactly what I know.

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Originally posted by rounder1:
"Rounders" is one of my favorites....not exceptionally good; I just see a lot of me in some of the characters. Hence the name I chose to be called on this message board......btw, I noticed some crappy English in my last post....forgive me. I have noticed that b/cause I type a lot; I often mis-type words like "want" and "won't." Not sure why.

Unrelated to the topic at hand.....I am new to trading and to message boards in general. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can better educate myself?

I am a Poker transplant....love poker; but got kind of burned out on it. Thought about trading and have fallen in love with it (so far); but I know that I am in for a major burn if I don't learn how it all works and what a lot of this terminology means.

I am not trying to crowd this forum or change the topic....just felt better asking for help in this informal thread.

Not ashamed to ask for any guidance and please do not be concerned with coming off as condecending.....assume that I know nothing; because essentially, that's exactly what I know.

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. I would strongly discourage anyone from renting "A Clockwork Orange." It sucked.

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Thanks Pagan.....I am already reading up!

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Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can better educate myself?

assume every penny stock is a scam. if you start beleiving a penny company? you are in for a letdown

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alan arkin was in it and i like his acting style..

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why did you like clockwork Mach?
i read it long before i saw it, and the only reason i saw it was a friend rented it and i was there.

i was told i would like the book and hated it. so i never really wanted to see it...i was an avid sci-fi reader and found it lacking as a sci-fi story... the main character was what i consider a real punker...

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I never read the book. Didn't even know there was one til recently. But I loved the movie and can't explain why. I think it has to do with it being a psychological film to me. I have always been into them. never even considered the movie sci fi. i just think he did ultra violence in a very artsy way. and yes the main character is a real punker... I don't think Kulbrik has ever done a bad movie unless perhaps his last one which I haven't seen but i heard wasn't that good... all of his movies have been psychological that have shown the darkside of the human psyche:

The Shining
A Clockwork Orange
Full Metal Jacket
2001: A Space Odyssey etc.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
well, IMO he started with a flawed story and then hired warhol to help him make it artsy. i never cared for warhol either. i didn't watch the movie real close...

the movie didn't end like the book. in the book he quit punking and decided to become "normal"
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
there was another book that was sortof like it called Logans Run that got made into a movie which i did like, but i saw it at the theatre when it came out in the mid 70's- i dunno if i'd like it today if i saw it...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Yah, movies usually are not the same as the book... i prefer reading the book first then watching the movie.. if i watch a movie first i never read the book...

I'm not a fan of Warhol at all... I didn't know Warhol was involved in this movie?

The music IMO also played a big part with the psychological aspects of the movie as well...something a book could never help you experience... some think the movie should of started with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOBgoSjBoU
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
there was another book that was sortof like it called Logans Run that got made into a movie which i did like, but i saw it at the theatre when it came out in the mid 70's- i dunno if i'd like it today if i saw it...

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american buffalo was also good

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explores Hunter Thompson..

the 2 that ive seen..with bill murray and johnny depp

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oh yeah, Alien is great sci-fi- top shelf stuff.

as was Minority Report,

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Originally posted by glassman:
i've read other PK Dick stuff but not that one...

Blade Runner is so far ahead of it's time as a movie. I mena it came out not long after Star Wars and it blew star wars away totally IMO.

I read do androids dream, but i was in jr high, and not very good at interpreting and judging talent then

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I am going to watch "The Taxi Driver" tonight...supposed to be another classic.

I have high hopes for this one because Deniro is in it. Deniro is the man.....one of my favorites.

Pacino("my name is Tony Montana") and Duvall ("I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.") are great too.

D. Washington is going to be a legend too (if not one already).

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Originally posted by glassman:
[b] Playboy did a huge spread or was it Penthouse?

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i guess you only read the articles?

As for the props, I think Kulbrick was just influenced by Warhol and didn't directly copy his works... I don't think you can sue someone for being influenced by an artwork so long as you do not directly copy a work of art...

As for a coming of age, i hardly think of a novel with such ultra violence to be such lol but perhaps.. i didn't read it and won't only because i seen the movie first...
 

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Posted by Pagan on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
[b] Playboy did a huge spread or was it Penthouse?

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i guess you only read the articles?

As for the props, I think Kulbrick was just influenced by Warhol and didn't directly copy his works... I don't think you can sue someone for being influenced by an artwork so long as you do not directly copy a work of art...

As for a coming of age, i hardly think of a novel with such ultra violence to be such lol but perhaps.. i didn't read it and won't only because i seen the movie first...

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I still remember the line from A Clockwork Orange by the rehab guard, he almost screamed it, "Shut your big fat filthy hole!" He says it so fast with that British accent, it's almost hard to catch it. It's always the little things you remember.
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:


Blade Runner is so far ahead of it's time as a movie. I mean it came out not long after Star Wars and it blew star wars away totally IMO.

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I read do androids dream, which is where blade runner came from, but i was in jr high, and not very good at interpreting and judging talent then

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I am going to watch "The Taxi Driver" tonight...supposed to be another classic.

I have high hopes for this one because Deniro is in it. Deniro is the man.....one of my favorites.

Pacino("my name is Tony Montana") and Duvall ("I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.") are great too.

D. Washington is going to be a legend too (if not one already).

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Originally posted by rounder1:
How on earth could anyone sit through all of 2001 S.O.......the last half hour looks like a 1980's screen saver off of a Commodore 64.

I actually asked myself aloud; "what the hell am I doing?"

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Originally posted by Pagan:
I still remember the line from A Clockwork Orange by the rehab guard, he almost screamed it, "Shut your big fat filthy hole!" He says it so fast with that British accent, it's almost hard to catch it. It's always the little things you remember.

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I'm singing in the Rain! I'm singing in the Rain!
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
I've got it!.....

Cool Hand Luke! Everyone has to love that movie.....

"What we got here.... is failure to communicate."
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Neromancer won the PK Dick Award. PK Dick wrote the blade runner novel in '68 and then it was made into a movie before Neuromancer was even written.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't a great book, but i think the claim that he started cyberpunk or anything else with it is way overblown.


for instance? Harry Harrison was writing a series called the Stainless Steel Rat in the 60's& 70's which protrayed all of the same concepts as Neuromancer.
The Stainless Steel Rat (1961)
At the beginning of the first novel, the Stainless Steel Rat believes he has pulled off a successful bank job, but is out-conned into working for the government. In the Special Corps, the elite law-enforcement and spy agency led by the former greatest crook in the Galaxy, Harold P. Inskipp (a.k.a. Inskipp the Uncatchable), he joins the ranks of an organization that is entirely constituted of ex-criminals like himself. In the novel, he has several adventures during which he believes he has escaped from the Corps, and meets his love interest, Angelina, who is even more sociopathic than he is - she too is a criminal genius but lacks Jim's moral strictures against killing. She is attempting to have an illegal space battleship built on a backwoods planet. It transpires that Angelina was born unattractive and committed crimes to pay for her transformation into a beautiful woman; her psychological traumas are cured when Jim captures her, but she retains her allure and her criminal tendencies and joins Jim in the Special Corps.
Roger Zelazny was doing alot of the same stuff too.

the difference was that they were writing novellas instead of trilogies...

Phillip Jose Farmer wrote alot of really good stuff. they made his riverworld series into a movie, but it was grade B- at best...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i guess you only read the articles?

yeah, i didn't wanna go blind
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Dune? done twice an dboth movies fell short.

teh second one was alot better, but Dune could be done very well..

Somebody is doing a series now called "The Seeker" based on Terry Goodkinds fantasy series Sword of Truth. It's a TV series and isn't that good. it's better than alotof other TV IMO... comes on after SNL...

i'm waiting till the boxed set comes out so ican watch it in order...
Terry Goodkind's stories seem to be very closely aligned to Robert Jordans series. Jordan wrote wheel of Time and it's much better IMO, but he never finished the series before he got sick and died.....Wheel of Time could make a great decology of movies... but it would be very expensive...
 

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Posted by Pagan on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
Neromancer won the PK Dick Award. PK Dick wrote the blade runner novel in '68 and then it was made into a movie before Neuromancer was even written.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't a great book, but i think the claim that he started cyberpunk or anything else with it is way overblown.


for instance? Harry Harrison was writing a series called the Stainless Steel Rat in the 60's& 70's which protrayed all of the same concepts as Neuromancer.
The Stainless Steel Rat (1961)
At the beginning of the first novel, the Stainless Steel Rat believes he has pulled off a successful bank job, but is out-conned into working for the government. In the Special Corps, the elite law-enforcement and spy agency led by the former greatest crook in the Galaxy, Harold P. Inskipp (a.k.a. Inskipp the Uncatchable), he joins the ranks of an organization that is entirely constituted of ex-criminals like himself. In the novel, he has several adventures during which he believes he has escaped from the Corps, and meets his love interest, Angelina, who is even more sociopathic than he is - she too is a criminal genius but lacks Jim's moral strictures against killing. She is attempting to have an illegal space battleship built on a backwoods planet. It transpires that Angelina was born unattractive and committed crimes to pay for her transformation into a beautiful woman; her psychological traumas are cured when Jim captures her, but she retains her allure and her criminal tendencies and joins Jim in the Special Corps.
Roger Zelazny was doing alot of the same stuff too.

the difference was that they were writing novellas instead of trilogies...

Phillip Jose Farmer wrote alot of really good stuff. they made his riverworld series into a movie, but it was grade B- at best...

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Childe Cycle? never heard of it, sounds interesting, the author is extremely well-read...

i avoided reading classics as long as i could, then whe i finally read them? i was amazed at how much of the sci-fi and other "junk-food" i had read had already educated me in them.

before anybody gets mad at me for calling them junk food, it was my parents and teachers who told me that, not my opinion...

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I know your a wiki fan, so this should help familiarize with the series. Btw, Dorsai is an alternate name for the series. They are prominent characters in the series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsai
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
yeah i pulled it once you mentioned it.It is known that one of the three historical novels would have dealt with John Milton, the author of Paradise Lost. Judging from the frequent mentions of him in the published science fiction portion of the Cycle, Sir John Hawkwood, a 14th century mercenary, would probably have been the subject of another.

that definitley gets my interest, Milton was as crazy as a loon


looks like a good candidate for AC time, which is about to begin here.


i've had to get a pair of 3.0 glasses to do some real fine detail work in the torch for a jeweler friend and they are too strong for reading, but i think maybe i can find a pair that will make make reading more fun after trying those....
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
oh yeah, and Dragonriders of Pern could make a good set of movies, but they should wait until we have computer graphics to the next level.

people mounting dragons would still look "off" at today's standards.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

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speaking of Hunter S? Alterd States was also a horrible movie.

i wouldn't mind seeing a movie made based on the Teaching of Don Juan a Yaqi Way-, but IMO it would have to be done by someone who understands the Brujo from their own culture, not from the US culture. In other words> a movie done that shows how the Brujo sees Carlos Castenada as the dillitente fool, who's really only looking for the next big buzz.

For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me is to traverse its full length. And there I travel—looking, looking, breathlessly.
don Juan

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As I recall, Castaneda did *not* want a movie made, and the estate--or whomever--still has the rights locked up. Might find the answer by following links here:

http://sustainedaction.org/

Dude who started that site is not exactly a Castaneda fan, lol... links to interesting stories from "the inner circle."

Here's the Warhol/Orange connection:

http://www.geocities.com/malcolmtribute/aco/vinyl.html

I've thought quite a bit about how to make the Don Juan movie and believe there's only two ways: 1) make up your own story or 2) get the rights, and make a mini-series length movie-within-a-movie, a bio-pic of Peruvian born Castaneda (warts and all) that shifts POV between that reality and the alternate reality of Dons Juan and Genaro. It would have to be done really well, though, with a Hithcockian sure-handedness, psychologically taut as the old Smiley's People TV movies with Alec Guinness as LeCarre's George Smiley.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
Cyber-punk? Lottsa stuff comes together in The Shockwave Rider, now called "proto" cyberpunk... Updated, would be a great movie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shockwave_Rider


This would be fun, too, although not nearly as catholic...more like Stephen King crossed with Johnathan Winters:

http://****critics.org/books/article/book-review-bad-monkeys-by-matt/

[for stars, above ==> b l o g, remove spaces]
 

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
There is a 2nd Anchorman movie coming out for those who liked the first one!
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
The Shockwave Rider

i had a signed first edition (paperback) of The Sheep Look Up. (lost it in the house fire) and yeah Brunner was prescient too...

that's an interesting note about castaneda, i didn't know it.

the books were presented to me at the age of 13, by a well-meaning adult family friend, intended as a guide on why to avoid drugs
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
The Shockwave Rider

i had a signed first edition (paperback) of The Sheep Look Up. (lost it in the house fire) and yeah Brunner was prescient too...

that's an interesting note about castaneda, i didn't know it.

the books were presented to me at the age of 13, by a well-meaning adult family friend, intended as a guide on why to avoid drugs

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lost in house fire...OUCH--that sux. Besides the keepsakes, a signed 1e would be worth some dough...

I'm completely moved in, now, and what books I managed to save are still in boxes, so I don't even know yet what I've got and what I don't...

EDIT: Sheep . . ., signed, 1e (but, hardcover) = $335:

http://www.biblio.com/books/181047798.html
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i didn't know it came out in hardcover or i woulda bought it instead. i got him to sign it for me at a talk he gave at university md.

ist edition paperbacks aren't usually wortt much..


i also owned Stan on Zanzibar but i didn't get it signed...

his work was kinda depressing to me, but i recognised how important his message was even in high school...

my family collects books, one day my mom gave me a big box of old books to take home, (this was after the fire and it was to replenish the bookshelves.)

i pulled gone with the wind offa the top, dust cover on it and opened it up. whatcha know? first edition 400 without dust cover at the time..

she took it back i ddin't argue, there was more treasures as i dug deeper.

she aslo gave me several hundred print and litho books circa 1850 to 1870 that are worth ten times cut up than they are as whole books, but i won't do it. most of the prints are over 100$ each last i checked.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Edition: 1st U.K. edition?

i wonder if it was released in the US in hardbound?
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Price: $9,800.00

Publisher: New York: Macmillan
Publication Date: 1936
Signed: Flatsigned by the author
Edition: Signed First Edition

http://www.veryfinebooks.com/Mitchell_Gone_With_the_Wind_Signed_First_Edition_p/ sfe400.htm


this is it, but the one i (*had* for ten seconds) wasn't signed

wow:

Mitchell, Margaret: Gone with the Wind, TRUE FIRST EDITION, MAY 1936 (not in Roman numerals) on copyright page, FINE book with Vintage 1937 dustjacket in FINE condition, two 1/4"closed tears to top of spine, dustjacket price-clipped, dustjacket states 28 printings and 875,000 copies, MAY 1936, BOOK ID#: 475, $1,495 See pictures here

http://www.quigleysbooks.com/gww.html

now that's an eye opener. and it looks like the dust jacket is not the correct one... hmmm, i may need to go have a chat with Mom about this
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
Price: $9,800.00

Publisher: New York: Macmillan
Publication Date: 1936
Signed: Flatsigned by the author
Edition: Signed First Edition

http://www.veryfinebooks.com/Mitchell_Gone_With_the_Wind_Signed_First_Edition_p/ sfe400.htm


this is it, but the one i (*had* for ten seconds) wasn't signed

wow:

Mitchell, Margaret: Gone with the Wind, TRUE FIRST EDITION, MAY 1936 (not in Roman numerals) on copyright page, FINE book with Vintage 1937 dustjacket in FINE condition, two 1/4"closed tears to top of spine, dustjacket price-clipped, dustjacket states 28 printings and 875,000 copies, MAY 1936, BOOK ID#: 475, $1,495 See pictures here

http://www.quigleysbooks.com/gww.html

now that's an eye opener. and it looks like the dust jacket is not the correct one... hmmm, i may need to go have a chat with Mom about this

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's

usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...

everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
Learned somthing else....silence is a concession.......

Mach,

U suck.........(I am testing Glass's theory)......if I don't here anything back.....I guess we all agree (just kidding).


How about Smokey and the Bandit......I know it is a "B" rated cornball......but Jackie Gleason is a riot.
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
"The Outsiders"......film was okay....novella was better....seems to be the definative coming of age story....mixed in with a little adolescent uneasiness. Stellar cast.

I think everyone in that movie ended up having huge careers..... some's careers died a lil early.....and they were all kids at the time.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's

usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...

everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's

usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...

everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Neromancer won the PK Dick Award. PK Dick wrote the blade runner novel in '68 and then it was made into a movie before Neuromancer was even written.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't a great book, but i think the claim that he started cyberpunk or anything else with it is way overblown.


for instance? Harry Harrison was writing a series called the Stainless Steel Rat in the 60's& 70's which protrayed all of the same concepts as Neuromancer.
The Stainless Steel Rat (1961)
At the beginning of the first novel, the Stainless Steel Rat believes he has pulled off a successful bank job, but is out-conned into working for the government. In the Special Corps, the elite law-enforcement and spy agency led by the former greatest crook in the Galaxy, Harold P. Inskipp (a.k.a. Inskipp the Uncatchable), he joins the ranks of an organization that is entirely constituted of ex-criminals like himself. In the novel, he has several adventures during which he believes he has escaped from the Corps, and meets his love interest, Angelina, who is even more sociopathic than he is - she too is a criminal genius but lacks Jim's moral strictures against killing. She is attempting to have an illegal space battleship built on a backwoods planet. It transpires that Angelina was born unattractive and committed crimes to pay for her transformation into a beautiful woman; her psychological traumas are cured when Jim captures her, but she retains her allure and her criminal tendencies and joins Jim in the Special Corps.
Roger Zelazny was doing alot of the same stuff too.

the difference was that they were writing novellas instead of trilogies...

Phillip Jose Farmer wrote alot of really good stuff. they made his riverworld series into a movie, but it was grade B- at best...

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Originally posted by glassman:


and One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. (the book is very differnt from the movie, red the book first then buy/rent the movie) Kesey sued over it as i recall

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Originally posted by glassman:


that definitley gets my interest, Milton was as crazy as a loon

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More like he was blind as a bat lol
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
i didn't know it came out in hardcover or i woulda bought it instead. i got him to sign it for me at a talk he gave at university md.

ist edition paperbacks aren't usually wortt much..


i also owned Stan on Zanzibar but i didn't get it signed...

his work was kinda depressing to me, but i recognised how important his message was even in high school...

my family collects books, one day my mom gave me a big box of old books to take home, (this was after the fire and it was to replenish the bookshelves.)

i pulled gone with the wind offa the top, dust cover on it and opened it up. whatcha know? first edition 400 without dust cover at the time..

she took it back i ddin't argue, there was more treasures as i dug deeper.

she aslo gave me several hundred print and litho books circa 1850 to 1870 that are worth ten times cut up than they are as whole books, but i won't do it. most of the prints are over 100$ each last i checked.

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quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Shawshank Redemption.....great flick

I was actually surprised to learn that it was based from a Stephen King novel.

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quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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not at all. i can't think of a single bad Newman movie, he got good roles and always gave a strong performance. i think he, John Wayne and Sean Connery are prolly the top three most recognised male actors of the60's -70's

usually silence here is agreement. if you don't feel young at 30? you are in for a rude awakening in 15 years LOL...

everybody who meets me is always surprised i'm almost fifty cuz i act like such a brat

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quote:

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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Yup, your a youngin. Especially on this board lol And yes Cool Hand Luke is a great movie.

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quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Learned somthing else....silence is a concession.......

Mach,

U suck.........(I am testing Glass's theory)......if I don't here anything back.....I guess we all agree (just kidding).

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by T e x:

quote:

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
Am I the only person that thinks Cool Hand Luke is great!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach,

I am 30, not sure if that means a youngin or not. Prolly so, but it does not exactly feel like it.

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Yup, your a youngin. Especially on this board lol And yes Cool Hand Luke is a great movie.

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lol, you reading the thread?

or cherry-pickin' ?

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Happy Valley:
Slapshot is one of my favorite Paul Newman movies...Prolly not the 1st movie that comes to most peoples minds when thinking bout Newman but it is a great flick...

No movies for me tonite, Pens bout to start the 3rd period of game 2...

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Originally posted by T e x:
not sure how we're lumping "Bladerunner" in with cy-punk, but, Mach, did you see the posts about Brunner's The Shockwave Rider?

That ties into Toffler, similarly as Castaneda's books result in ties back into Buckminster Fuller.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by T e x:
not sure how we're lumping "Bladerunner" in with cy-punk, but, Mach, did you see the posts about Brunner's The Shockwave Rider?

That ties into Toffler, similarly as Castaneda's books result in ties back into Buckminster Fuller.

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Yah i read the post on The Shockwave Rider... yah I would consider that definetly proto cyber punk...

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kewl...

we have achieved unstable equilibrium

for the moment
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by T e x:
kewl...

we have achieved unstable equilibrium

for the moment

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:


that definitley gets my interest, Milton was as crazy as a loon

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More like he was blind as a bat lol

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just wait ten years you young whippersnapper. first you'll get a headache reading and then you'll notice your arms are sore from being stretched out full lenght for three hours at pop...

seriuosly? 90% of all people lose iether near or far vision starting at 45. it sux, but i'll take the far, (no choice anyway) and i really did stop reading for fun cuz of it. i have a hard enought ime sitting still and reading was one thing i could manage to sit still at...
however, i think this thread mighta motivated me to dustoff the libray card, oh yeah i forgot. that's theother reason i stoped reading for fun, our library is a "censored libary" none o'that liberal fiction junk to rot our kids brains
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among hackers, artificial intelligences, and megacorporations,

well, actually, i do get it in because the 'droids were AI (right?) and they were owned by a giant corporation who was trying to conceal them from the law.

now, the *internet* hacking part isn't there, (2 out o'3 ain't bad) but the *genomic* hacking is, so i tie them together and i am demonstrating the natural progression from blade runner to neuromancer.

Art is a natural evolution. as each new genre is developed? we can examine how it came to be by studying the artists teachers and mentors.

Van Gogh is so important because he tended to ignore "the rules" and departed vigorously from his predecessors, yet we can still see the influences of others on his work....

Tolkein was heavily influenced by alot of unknown (to most of the world) non-english speaking authors, so his work seem to leap out at us from nowhere whne in fact that's not true...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
as for Kesey? yes, he was upset. if you read the book? you'll find the Cheif Broom character to be paranoid schiz. Not just some guy hiding from the world. Read it and while you do, look at RP as a Jesus figure and it'll all come clear.
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
as for Kesey? yes, he was upset. if you read the book? you'll find the Cheif Broom character to be paranoid schiz. Not just some guy hiding from the world. Read it and while you do, look at RP as a Jesus figure and it'll all come clear.

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
just wait ten years you young whippersnapper. first you'll get a headache reading and then you'll notice your arms are sore from being stretched out full lenght for three hours at pop...

seriuosly? 90% of all people lose iether near or far vision starting at 45. it sux, but i'll take the far, (no choice anyway) and i really did stop reading for fun cuz of it. i have a hard enought ime sitting still and reading was one thing i could manage to sit still at...
however, i think this thread mighta motivated me to dustoff the libray card, oh yeah i forgot. that's theother reason i stoped reading for fun, our library is a "censored libary" none o'that liberal fiction junk to rot our kids brains

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We'll i actually did mean Milton was blind as a bat... but ummmm oki im game you are too...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among hackers, artificial intelligences, and megacorporations,

well, actually, i do get it in because the 'droids were AI (right?) and they were owned by a giant corporation who was trying to conceal them from the law.

now, the *internet* hacking part isn't there, (2 out o'3 ain't bad) but the *genomic* hacking is, so i tie them together and i am demonstrating the natural progression from blade runner to neuromancer.

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Still didn't make the book Blade Runner was based on cyberpunk while the movie is because of changes they did... if you read Neuromancer you will see alot more of it in the movie then the BR book imo...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
did they have you read electric koolaid too?

it gives you a good idea how Kesey developed into what he was.
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
The Merry Pranksters? no didn't read but i know about it... me not that young or old Glass that i don't know these titles lol
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test

the critique in there? i pretty much agree with. alot of authors lost there subjectivity. Castaneda was accused of it too...

A film adaptation of the book, directed by Gus Van Sant, is expected to be released in 2009.[1] The screenplay was written by Dustin Lance Black, who also worked on the HBO series Big Love and Van Sant's 2008 film Milk. The movie is being produced by Richard N. Gladstein.[2]



now that might be fun to watch


it's worth the read, it's not just a celebratin of "hippi'ism"- it discusses how Kesey "volunteered" to take drugs for the US Army as a way to make a few extra bucks in college.. a real eye-opener for people who think the govt can do no wrong
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

it's worth the read, it's not just a celebratin of "hippi'ism"- it discusses how Kesey "volunteered" to take drugs for the US Army as a way to make a few extra bucks in college.. a real eye-opener for people who think the govt can do no wrong

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quote:

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
just wait ten years you young whippersnapper. first you'll get a headache reading and then you'll notice your arms are sore from being stretched out full lenght for three hours at pop...

seriuosly? 90% of all people lose iether near or far vision starting at 45. it sux, but i'll take the far, (no choice anyway) and i really did stop reading for fun cuz of it. i have a hard enought ime sitting still and reading was one thing i could manage to sit still at...
however, i think this thread mighta motivated me to dustoff the libray card, oh yeah i forgot. that's theother reason i stoped reading for fun, our library is a "censored libary" none o'that liberal fiction junk to rot our kids brains

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We'll i actually did mean Milton was blind as a bat... but ummmm oki im game you are too...

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i swear i tried really hard to read only the articles.
 

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Posted by Pagan on :
 
Since watching Blade Runner years ago, I always thought a backstory/prequel about the Replicants would have been fun to see. Like how they went rogue, would be very interesting IMO.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i wonder who could do it? Ridley is real busy:

Born 30 November 1937 (1937-11-30) (age 71)
South Shields, England

Scott is set to direct an adaptation of Robin Hood called Robin Hood which will be starring Russell Crowe as Robin Hood and Cate Blanchett as Maid Marian. Paul Giamatti is in talks to star as Friar Tuck with Mark Strong also set to star as Sir Godfrey. William Hurt, Vanessa Redgrave, and Gordon Pinsent are rumored to star in unconfirmed roles.

In April 2008, Scott announced his new project The Kind One, a period drama set for release in 2010. The film will star recent Academy Award nominee Casey Affleck.[16] Also, he will be making his first science fiction movie since Blade Runner, an adaptation of the novel The Forever War, which he has been trying to pursue the rights for since the early 1980s[17]. In January 2009 it was announced Ridley, along with his brother Tony, would be producing the film adaptation of the 1980s TV cult classic The A-Team.[18][

people like him set standards that are hard to beat.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i think i'll get a copy of the forever war and read it before he makes the movie

never heard of it before this.
 

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Posted by Pagan on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
i wonder who could do it? Ridley is real busy:

Born 30 November 1937 (1937-11-30) (age 71)
South Shields, England

Scott is set to direct an adaptation of Robin Hood called Robin Hood which will be starring Russell Crowe as Robin Hood and Cate Blanchett as Maid Marian. Paul Giamatti is in talks to star as Friar Tuck with Mark Strong also set to star as Sir Godfrey. William Hurt, Vanessa Redgrave, and Gordon Pinsent are rumored to star in unconfirmed roles.

In April 2008, Scott announced his new project The Kind One, a period drama set for release in 2010. The film will star recent Academy Award nominee Casey Affleck.[16] Also, he will be making his first science fiction movie since Blade Runner, an adaptation of the novel The Forever War, which he has been trying to pursue the rights for since the early 1980s[17]. In January 2009 it was announced Ridley, along with his brother Tony, would be producing the film adaptation of the 1980s TV cult classic The A-Team.[18][

people like him set standards that are hard to beat.

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Also remember, him and his brother(Tony Scott) are behind the prequel to Alien. So he is exceptionally busy. But he's such a great director. Has a good vision of how the story should be made visually.

PS: do we really need a remake of the A-Team? The original was enough cheese to feed the Pied Pipers pets
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
must need the money?

i think i watched the Ateam a couple times. i liked George Pepard in Banacek, but the A-team? nah... and he played the same smarmy dude in both...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
The Forever War was published as a serial in Analog Magazine before its first book publication in 1974.

i prolly have read some of it there..

i read all the Analogs (old and new) that i could get my hands on in the 70's...

my school had a lot of old ones, and i read many without even paying attention to who wrote the stories...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Pagan:
Since watching Blade Runner years ago, I always thought a backstory/prequel about the Replicants would have been fun to see. Like how they went rogue, would be very interesting IMO.

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by Pagan:
Since watching Blade Runner years ago, I always thought a backstory/prequel about the Replicants would have been fun to see. Like how they went rogue, would be very interesting IMO.

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that would be interesting... the uprising that made them illegal on Earth...

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Originally posted by glassman:
just got Electric Mist (Tommy Lee Jones) haven't watched it yet tho

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Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Terminator was horrible....

I was high as a kite to...and I still wasn't entertained LoL.

The pace was so slooooow. The story was decent, but the way the director tried to bring the story to life was terrible.

I always try be honest....and Honestly...I actualy fell a sleep.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

quote:

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Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Terminator was horrible....

I was high as a kite to...and I still wasn't entertained LoL.

The pace was so slooooow. The story was decent, but the way the director tried to bring the story to life was terrible.

I always try be honest....and Honestly...I actualy fell a sleep.

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You must still be high on something if you thought that movie wasn't good... perhaps the pace was slow due to your pharmaceutical intake.. was slowing your senses and it seemed to be slow paced... besides what did you want something so high paced like Quantum of Solace from the very beginning that you can't follow the story?

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WoW..you must be kidding me...that movie was garbage...and I never said I wanted it to be fast paced...just not slow
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
it wasn't garbage and it wasn't slow paced. Take that back meanie.

Btw the girl pilot who falls for Marcus Wright is hot...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i still haven't watched Electric Mist, but we did watch Painted Veil last night we bought is cuz of Edward Norton Jr but i don't recommend it. first time i've seen him in a movie i didn't really like


 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
Hey I got blade runner tonight.....y'all talked bout it so much that i decided to give it a look......if it sux.....I am blaming glass and mach.

Prolly watching "Ladder 49" tomorrow...
 

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Posted by jordanreed on :
 
joaquin sure aint no river
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
I like Joaquin.....think he is a very good actor for the roles that he plays.

I know who River is but; I am not sure if I have ever seen anything with him in it. What would you recommend?
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I like Joaquin.....think he is a very good actor for the roles that he plays.

I know who River is but; I am not sure if I have ever seen anything with him in it. What would you recommend?

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I am blaming glass and mach.

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why me meanie?
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
, but we did watch Painted Veil last night we bought is cuz of Edward Norton Jr but i don't recommend it.

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quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I like Joaquin.....think he is a very good actor for the roles that he plays.

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I have not watched much lately......I did watch "Blade Runner".....sux.

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Sux? What about it makes it sux? I see no flaws in that movie whatsoever... and why have the classics not impressed you so far ? And which classics have you seen so far?
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
gawd...I couldn't reply. Bladerunner is one of the best movies ever made.

good questions, Mach
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
it's a modern-sci-fi-film noire. some people don't don't apreciate the genre of film noire.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
genre schmanre...the only thing bad to say about Bladerunner is I didn't like the director's cut: the original ending is perfect.
 

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Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
Hmmm...I wonder who's opinion is "right"
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
mine, of course

...lol
 

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Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
Excellent guess Tex lol...I wouldn't have picked you though...there is another poster here that is ALWAYS right...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by retiredat49:
Excellent guess Tex lol...I wouldn't have picked you though...there is another poster here that is ALWAYS right...

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I like all different kinds of movies; thrillers, suspense, and mind-benders tend to be my favorites.

Blade Runner just could not hold my attention.....I tried to sit and watch it four different times before I made it all the way to the end. Just not for me I guess.

In fairness to the "classics"; I have not seen many yet......Clock Work Orange, Blade Runner, and Taxi Driver, recently.

Taxi Driver was pretty good.....I have another Deniro on my que...."Raging Bull".....maybe it will be pretty good.

Looking forward to the Godfathers.....you can't make a bad mob movie can you?

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Originally posted by Pagan:

quote:

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Originally posted by rounder1:
I like all different kinds of movies; thrillers, suspense, and mind-benders tend to be my favorites.

Blade Runner just could not hold my attention.....I tried to sit and watch it four different times before I made it all the way to the end. Just not for me I guess.

In fairness to the "classics"; I have not seen many yet......Clock Work Orange, Blade Runner, and Taxi Driver, recently.

Taxi Driver was pretty good.....I have another Deniro on my que...."Raging Bull".....maybe it will be pretty good.

Looking forward to the Godfathers.....you can't make a bad mob movie can you?

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What did you think of A Clockwork Orange?

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Don't flatter yourself Mach...I was talking about Glass

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Originally posted by retiredat49:
Don't flatter yourself Mach...I was talking about Glass

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well then i apologize if that is true.. but anyone else would of thought the same thing as me... so let's move on...

Last movie i saw was the Transformers one.... was a good entertaining movie but similar to the first one... Megan Fox is hotter then ever... I really think she is the most beautiful caucasian (though she is mixed of irish, native american and portuguese descent i believe) in hollywood if not the world...

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Don't flatter yourself Mach...I was talking about Glass

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well then i apologize if that is true.. but anyone else would of thought the same thing as me... so let's move on...

Last movie i saw was the Transformers one.... was a good entertaining movie but similar to the first one... Megan Fox is hotter then ever... I really think she is the most beautiful caucasian (though she is mixed of irish, native american and portuguese descent i believe) in hollywood if not the world...

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She is smokin.....Mach, we finally agree.

However, in the mixture that is Megan Fox.....one thing is missing..........ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Didn't you guys learn any thing from the movie "the 40-year old virgin"????

....Don't put the Pu$$y on a pedestal

Is Megan smoking hot gorgeous??? Of Course!

But there's chicks I went to highschool with that are hotter.

And for any of you that are the type that would automaticaly think to yourselfs..."There's no way there were hotter chicks than Megan at Aces's High School"

...I'll say this, "All those hot chicks in Hollywood went to High School Some where"

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Posted by T e x on :
 
no chase scenes
no shooters
no cgi

The "big projects" are a cookbook and a cooking ****, based on the cookbook from 30-40 years' previous. But talk about a movie "with heart." Wow.

Julie & Julia is stunning. Beautifully done. Many awards in the works for this one.
 

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Posted by Relentless. on :
 
I'm happy for you Tex.
It must be such a relief for you to finally venture out of that oh so confining closet.
Congrats!
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 

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you thilly...
 

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Posted by Pagan on :
 
Anyone happen to see Avatar? It's making obscene money at the box office...just wondering if it's worth going to see at the local IMAX theater.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
sure, man--simple but effective plot...but literally fantastic. The 3D was so stunning, it took my body a few minutes to get accustomed.
 

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Posted by raybond on :
 
I saw Avatar great movie plot was very simple as Tex stated. Just fantastic I also did the 3D what a world that was created. I will buy the DVD.
 

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no chase scenes
no shooters
no cgi

The "big projects" are a cookbook and a cooking ****, based on the cookbook from 30-40 years' previous. But talk about a movie "with heart." Wow.

Julie & Julia is stunning. Beautifully done. Many awards in the works for this one.

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Butts & Beavers Part 86. Got it on blu-ray as a stocking stuffer from my mom for Christmas. I haven't left the television since. It truly is an enthralling piece of cinematography.

Anyone know of a good blister cream?

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i happen to be an expert on blister creams, using a pair of (short handled) scissors on a peice of glass at 1400 degrees give me what i jokingly refer to as monkey finger.

Gold Bond Ultimate with Aloe is the only way to go,

if you cannot find that? then i suggest this:



or as a third choice,


 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
boy, you guys could scwoow up a rock fight...


 

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boy, you guys could scwoow up a rock fight...

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Butts & Beavers Part 86. Got it on blu-ray as a stocking stuffer from my mom for Christmas. I haven't left the television since. It truly is an enthralling piece of cinematography.

Anyone know of a good blister cream?

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i happen to be an expert on blister creams, using a pair of (short handled) scissors on a peice of glass at 1400 degrees give me what i jokingly refer to as monkey finger.

Gold Bond Ultimate with Aloe is the only way to go,

if you cannot find that? then i suggest this:



or as a third choice,

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Ok, it works on "monkey finger" but I have monkey................well, something else. Think it'd work there as well?
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
sure sounds like the corn huskers lotion is what you really need
 

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Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Ladyhawke...great '80's flick with a wonderful synthesizer playing the inspirational background music.
 

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Posted by rounder1 on :
 
Watched "The Blind Side" over the weekend... A little slow, but a great story. Sandra Bulloch has never done much for me, but she is a hottie in this one.

Also, watched Avatar recently (in 3D). Very stunning visually....and a pretty good story. Then I learned that I must be a closet racist since I enjoyed it...... it is amazing what some people read into things.
 

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Posted by raybond on :
 
I watched a favorite of mine Heat good flick.
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
Sandra Bullock...ummmm

After Avatar, we went to Sherlock Holmes: sorta odd, but nice to see a new take.

On DVD, today we watched The Wrestler and State of Play, the former somewhat interesting (plus bare-boob Marissa Tomei--never a bad thang), the latter OK kinda-sorta, but laughable re: how a big daily works.
 

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