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Now tell me again how gun's don't kill only people do... a knife, bat etc. would not have killed this kid... probably would of scared them away if that was used instead of a shotgun... this was in the daytime where clearly they saw there were 2 children present & were non threatening... not that it matters but if they really thought they were trespassing they could of aimed the shotgun at them and told them to get off their property... spare me the posts where you will say the two rednecks could of thought they were being threatened. In this case it was obvious they weren't and did not need to pull the trigger:
HOUSTON (May 9) - A 7-year-old boy who was allegedly shot in the head by a couple who thought he and three other people were trespassing on their property died Saturday, authorities said. Donald Coffey Jr. died Saturday morning at a Houston hospital, less than two days after the boy was struck in the head by shotgun pellets, Liberty County Sheriff's Cpl. Hugh Bishop said.
Sheila Muhs and her husband, Gayle Muhs, both 45, were charged with second-degree felony counts of aggravated assault in the shootings Thursday. They were being held at Liberty County Jail with bail set at $25,000 each and had not yet retained an attorney, Bishop said. Bishop said the district attorney could upgrade the charges to murder on Monday, but investigators were "still trying to get the circumstances behind the incident." The boy, his 5-year-old sister, their father and a family friend were off-roading near a residential area about 40 miles northeast of Houston when they were shot after stopping so the children could go to the bathroom. Authorities said the couple fired after they mistakenly thought the group was trespassing on their property. Bishop said the area includes a dirt road, trees and overgrown brush and that it wasn't uncommon for people to go off-roading there. The Houston Chronicle reported that a sign in front of the suspects' home reads: "Trespassers will be shot. Survivers will be reshot!! Smile I will." Skip over this content Liberty County Chief Deputy Ken DeFoor said Sheila Muhs fired a 12-gauge shotgun once, then handed it to her husband, who also fired once. DeFoor said Sheila Muhs then called 911 and told the dispatcher: "They're out here tearing up the levee, so I shot them." DeFoor said the levee belonged to the subdivision and was not private property. Bishop said there was no indication the unarmed victims did anything threatening toward the Muhs. Donald Coffey Sr. suffered a pellet wound in his right shoulder and his daughter, Destiny, suffered a wound to the elbow. The family friend, 30-year-old Patrick Cammack, was in serious condition Saturday with a head wound, Memorial Hermann-Texas Medical Center spokeswoman Alex Rodriguez said.
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quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli: Now tell me again how gun's don't kill only people do... a knife, bat etc. would not have killed this kid... probably would of scared them away if that was used instead of a shotgun... this was in the daytime where clearly they saw there were 2 children present & were non threatening... not that it matters but if they really thought they were trespassing they could of aimed the shotgun at them and told them to get off their property... spare me the posts where you will say the two rednecks could of thought they were being threatened. In this case it was obvious they weren't and did not need to pull the trigger:
HOUSTON (May 9) - A 7-year-old boy who was allegedly shot in the head by a couple who thought he and three other people were trespassing on their property died Saturday, authorities said. Donald Coffey Jr. died Saturday morning at a Houston hospital, less than two days after the boy was struck in the head by shotgun pellets, Liberty County Sheriff's Cpl. Hugh Bishop said.
Sheila Muhs and her husband, Gayle Muhs, both 45, were charged with second-degree felony counts of aggravated assault in the shootings Thursday. They were being held at Liberty County Jail with bail set at $25,000 each and had not yet retained an attorney, Bishop said. Bishop said the district attorney could upgrade the charges to murder on Monday, but investigators were "still trying to get the circumstances behind the incident." The boy, his 5-year-old sister, their father and a family friend were off-roading near a residential area about 40 miles northeast of Houston when they were shot after stopping so the children could go to the bathroom. Authorities said the couple fired after they mistakenly thought the group was trespassing on their property. Bishop said the area includes a dirt road, trees and overgrown brush and that it wasn't uncommon for people to go off-roading there. The Houston Chronicle reported that a sign in front of the suspects' home reads: "Trespassers will be shot. Survivers will be reshot!! Smile I will." Skip over this content Liberty County Chief Deputy Ken DeFoor said Sheila Muhs fired a 12-gauge shotgun once, then handed it to her husband, who also fired once. DeFoor said Sheila Muhs then called 911 and told the dispatcher: "They're out here tearing up the levee, so I shot them." DeFoor said the levee belonged to the subdivision and was not private property. Bishop said there was no indication the unarmed victims did anything threatening toward the Muhs. Donald Coffey Sr. suffered a pellet wound in his right shoulder and his daughter, Destiny, suffered a wound to the elbow. The family friend, 30-year-old Patrick Cammack, was in serious condition Saturday with a head wound, Memorial Hermann-Texas Medical Center spokeswoman Alex Rodriguez said.
Did the gun go off by itself? Or did a person pull the trigger Mach? No BS, just answer the question without the rhetoric.
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What a terrible sittuation a case of some dumb asses who think they know everythig about the law and they most likely got there legal cosule from a drunk in a bar in a hick dump some where it made sense to them then and the rest is a carryover.
No matter how stupid the perps are they belong to that small club that has taken human life to bad the reason was so misguided and foolish. What a waste.
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So what are you suggesting to prevent these types of incidents Pagan since it is the people and not the weapons that harm and kill? How do you propose to stop the bloodshed?
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: So what are you suggesting to prevent these types of incidents Pagan since it is the people and not the weapons that harm and kill? How do you propose to stop the bloodshed?
Authorities should have been out there before hand, to check out wackos based on their posted "sign."
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: So what are you suggesting to prevent these types of incidents Pagan since it is the people and not the weapons that harm and kill? How do you propose to stop the bloodshed?
These deaths, along with many others every day, are considered an acceptable loss, by gun owners, for the right to own guns. Well not really but they deflect attention by blaming the trigger man for being an idiot loooser. How do you prevent Idiot losers from owning guns you ask? Well, you don't cause no one wants rules and regulations that restrict gun ownership.
No Guns, No Gun Crime! But that will never happen either.
"A well regulated militia" IMHO I think refers to proper training, discipline and guidance BEFORE they get the guns.
The big push for holding up the Second Amendment was to have a force to fight against the Gov. if the Gov. went against "the people". WELL gun owners,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you had your chance to stop the Gov. from ruining your country over the last few years. Did anyone fire a shot? Or does it need to get much worse? What are the projected odds of a militia up against the US Military anyway??........... No way in hell you will ever organize enough gun owners to go up against the US Military.
I am not against gun ownership but don't sit there and not say anything against Idiot Losers who abuse the very thing you hold in such high regard. Come on man, stand up, have a voice. It's the only way you will gain respect from others.
Do you find fault with the Muslim Leaders for not speaking out against ritual killings of teenage daughters for simple wrongs that you and I participated in as teenagers? Or for the Leaders not speaking out against fanatics, 911, Taliban? Then stand up against the idiot gun owners and try to prevent the innocent deaths.
100% gun ownership, in theory, would be a deterrent to crime. NOT. Criminals are stupid. Besides the accidental rate will also go up. Look at someone in your family and consider them "Gone by Gun" in the morning. But hey it was an ACCIDENT so is that OK? It will just mean more stolen guns on the street and the cost of death will go down.
Yes, with out guns people are still going to die from knives, bottles, rocks or what ever, but the thing about it is there will be LESS people dying because it is not so clean and easy to KILL that way.
I know I am pushing the limits on things but so does the other side with all the comments on why guns are justified.
And as far as Data goes, there are 10 different ways to look at the same info and you can come up with a 100 different reasons.
It would appear what these people did was murder and if so they need to be dealt with accordingly. Gun owners should be the first ones to stand up and cry for an investigation and fair trial.
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are considered an acceptable loss, by gun owners, for the right to own guns. Well not really but they deflect attention by blaming the trigger man for being an idiot loooser. How do you prevent Idiot losers from owning guns you ask? Well, you don't cause no one wants rules and regulations that restrict gun ownership.
acceptable my azz.
how do you stop drugs and alcohol? you don't in a "free society" that's the key concept. how to stop idiots from drinking and driving? take away their license? and the car? they still do it.
eugenics is the only answer. like that idea? i don't. the world is full of idiots and jerks that prolly don't deserve to breath air. we don't decide arbitrarily that they can't tho. people that do should be imprisoned for life. whether a gun is used in the crime or not
we have rules that restrict gun ownership.
what we have is poorly thought out and poorly enforced laws here.
take away peoples right to bear arms? and they can be judged arbitrarily to have no right to live by anybody with a gun...
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Yes, with out guns people are still going to die from knives, bottles, rocks or what ever, but the thing about it is there will be LESS people dying because it is not so clean and easy to KILL that way.
i just went to Lowes and found neurotoxins in the garden section. that's much neater and cleaner than a gun...
better ban them too...
and don't ask me which ones, i don't wanna help the idiots.
the paint section is pretty interesting too...
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: So what are you suggesting to prevent these types of incidents Pagan since it is the people and not the weapons that harm and kill? How do you propose to stop the bloodshed?
These deaths, along with many others every day, are considered an acceptable loss, by gun owners, for the right to own guns. Well not really but they deflect attention by blaming the trigger man for being an idiot loooser. How do you prevent Idiot losers from owning guns you ask? Well, you don't cause no one wants rules and regulations that restrict gun ownership.
No Guns, No Gun Crime! But that will never happen either.
"A well regulated militia" IMHO I think refers to proper training, discipline and guidance BEFORE they get the guns.
The big push for holding up the Second Amendment was to have a force to fight against the Gov. if the Gov. went against "the people". WELL gun owners,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you had your chance to stop the Gov. from ruining your country over the last few years. Did anyone fire a shot? Or does it need to get much worse? What are the projected odds of a militia up against the US Military anyway??........... No way in hell you will ever organize enough gun owners to go up against the US Military.
I am not against gun ownership but don't sit there and not say anything against Idiot Losers who abuse the very thing you hold in such high regard. Come on man, stand up, have a voice. It's the only way you will gain respect from others.
Do you find fault with the Muslim Leaders for not speaking out against ritual killings of teenage daughters for simple wrongs that you and I participated in as teenagers? Or for the Leaders not speaking out against fanatics, 911, Taliban? Then stand up against the idiot gun owners and try to prevent the innocent deaths.
100% gun ownership, in theory, would be a deterrent to crime. NOT. Criminals are stupid. Besides the accidental rate will also go up. Look at someone in your family and consider them "Gone by Gun" in the morning. But hey it was an ACCIDENT so is that OK? It will just mean more stolen guns on the street and the cost of death will go down.
Yes, with out guns people are still going to die from knives, bottles, rocks or what ever, but the thing about it is there will be LESS people dying because it is not so clean and easy to KILL that way.
I know I am pushing the limits on things but so does the other side with all the comments on why guns are justified.
And as far as Data goes, there are 10 different ways to look at the same info and you can come up with a 100 different reasons.
It would appear what these people did was murder and if so they need to be dealt with accordingly. Gun owners should be the first ones to stand up and cry for an investigation and fair trial.
Robot...you and Machiavelli are typical IDEALIST'S...
The REALITY is...your ideal world hasn't, doesn't, and never will exist...as much as you WISH it would...IT NEVER WILL!
I AM a gun owner, and I will be the first to condemn anyone that commits a CRIME whether they use a gun or not...
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: Did the gun go off by itself? Or did a person pull the trigger Mach? No BS, just answer the question without the rhetoric.
What weapon was aimed at a child that is made to kill? Not injure but kill. Tell what laws prevented these 2 hicks from owning a gun? When they got their license (assuming they have one since that isn't clear yet) were they required to get training? And if so did they get that training or did they just give them the license and said, go ahead buy whatever gun you want, we don't care what you do with it?
You know, it's all nice and neat your arguments for owning a gun but tell me this what if that was your child? What if not, what would you say to that kids' parents?: Oh were sorry for your loss but hey they have a right to own a gun and fire without warning.. tough luck?
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Robot...you and Machiavelli are typical IDEALIST'S...
The REALITY is...your ideal world hasn't, doesn't, and never will exist...as much as you WISH it would...IT NEVER WILL!
I AM a gun owner, and I will be the first to condemn anyone that commits a CRIME whether they use a gun or not...
The reality is we don't even try... the UK obviously has and that is a major Western country and imo their deaths are far less then ours.. and when i mean deaths i mean from violence so Glass/others spare me your statistics of deaths around the world because they usually include all deaths natural and not...
As a gun owner you should condemn all crime like you said but you should also be condemning gun ownership to the bad apples which make the good apples like you look bad... simple as that...
Gun ownership laws are lax and rarely enforced imo and this causes the proliferation of illegal guns to spread... again if you are law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear from stricter gun laws from being owned by the wrong hands... and spare me the argument we have current gun laws because we all know they are not effective whatsoever...
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You know, it's all nice and neat your arguments for owning a gun but tell me this what if that was your child? What if not, what would you say to that kids' parents?: Oh were sorry for your loss but hey they have a right to own a gun and fire without warning.. tough luck?
what do you tell a kids parents that die from anything Mach?
car accidents. leukemia? overdose of prescribed medication at the hospital?
what do you tell people that lose thier houses in a CA wildfire?
there's no such thing as safety, it's an illusion people create for themselves cuz they don't want to grow the frigup.
there's only accountability and these people need to be held accountable.
from the article you posted? the only thin iknow about the Muhs is that they are butt ugly and they should be charged wiht first degree murder. nothing less.
they planned to kill somebody and they deserve the first degree.
but you cannot prevent stupid people from breeding, so this is what you get.
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they have a right to own a gun and fire without warning.. tough luck?
that's a flat out lie they had no right to do what they did.
this is the part you don't seem to get. having the power to do something and doing or not doing it is what separates people from the animals.
owning a gun doesn't give yo the right to hurt or kill somebody anymore than having a fist does. it gives them just the ability, what a person does with heir abilities is what defines them as human, and separates them from the animals
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: they have a right to own a gun and fire without warning.. tough luck?
that's a flat out lie they had no right to do what they did.
this is the part you don't seem to get. having the power to do something and doing or not doing it is what separates people from the animals.
owning a gun doesn't give yo the right to hurt or kill somebody anymore than having a fist does. it gives them just the ability, what a person does with heir abilities is what defines them as human, and separates them from the animals
Preventing the animals from owning guns in the first place is what I want but you apparently don't. If you are law abiding gun owner then you have nothing to fear from gun regulations that prevent animals like these two from owning a gun. But to have a laizze-faire attitude toward gun ownership is what creates the violent driven society we have now.
No gun ownership to animals then no need to own a gun but you would have the right to own them if your not an animal. But point is to keep guns from the animals. Nothing more and nothing less.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Robot...you and Machiavelli are typical IDEALIST'S...
The REALITY is...your ideal world hasn't, doesn't, and never will exist...as much as you WISH it would...IT NEVER WILL!
I AM a gun owner, and I will be the first to condemn anyone that commits a CRIME whether they use a gun or not...
The reality is we don't even try... the UK obviously has and that is a major Western country and imo their deaths are far less then ours.. and when i mean deaths i mean from violence so Glass/others spare me your statistics of deaths around the world because they usually include all deaths natural and not...
As a gun owner you should condemn all crime like you said but you should also be condemning gun ownership to the bad apples which make the good apples like you look bad... simple as that...
Gun ownership laws are lax and rarely enforced imo and this causes the proliferation of illegal guns to spread... again if you are law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear from stricter gun laws from being owned by the wrong hands... and spare me the argument we have current gun laws because we all know they are not effective whatsoever...
Mach...you state that "we don't even try"... We don't try to create the "perfect world" because it is IMPOSSIBLE...wake up man...
You also state that "gun laws are lax and rarely enforced"...
Can you tell me what the gun laws in your state are?
and...can you explain to me how they are rarely enforced?
I can tell you about the gun laws in my state and I can assure you that they are NOT lax, and that they ARE strictly enforced...
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Preventing the animals from owning guns in the first place is what I want but you apparently don't. If you are law abiding gun owner then you have nothing to fear from gun regulations that prevent animals like these two from owning a gun. But to have a laizze-faire attitude toward gun ownership is what creates the violent driven society we have now.
and who is to judge who the animals are?
and who is to enforce the "leash law"?
more animals... that's who..
you can only prove yourself to be human by having the power to be bad and CHOOSING not to.
take away the choice and we are all PETS!
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I see it as a goal....something to "shoot" for.
[/QUOTE]The REALITY is...your ideal world hasn't, doesn't, and never will exist...as much as you WISH it would...IT NEVER WILL![/QB][/QUOTE]
No. The reality is my Country is becoming less ideal every year due to the lack of gun laws.
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The world needs more people like you. Seriously.
People like me have no problem with responsible gun ownership. We would like to see a more proactive stance by gun owners to help limit the needles deaths. If responsible gun owners made it harder for idiots to get guns then it would be a different ball game all together.
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We would like to see a more proactive stance by gun owners to help limit the needles deaths.
dude, we gun owners are what stops alot more needless deaths than the ones you cry about on the news..
Chairman Mao killed tens of millions of unarmed people. Stalin? Hilter? the list is long.
Our country's worst enemy is OUR OWN COUNTRY, and i like it that way. we don't have to worry about the power hungry maniacs taking the country by force because they never even consider it. they don't consider rolling tanks thru our streets because it is tactically impossible to do whne so many people are personally armed. Take away those personal arms and parking a tank every mile or so is all they have to do.
a well regulated militia is individual people with military skills and they are volunteers. militias are never state owned or operated. the founders expressly intended Private Citizens to defend their OWN freedom.
these deaths suck, but the alternative is not Utopia. Utopia is what Marx was selling too... look where that led
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dude, we gun owners are what stops alot more needless deaths than the ones you cry about on the news..
but you also let too many idiots own guns, causing those deaths.
Chairman Mao killed tens of millions of unarmed people. Stalin? Hilter? the list is long.
No. This was not the people (militia) against the Gov. The majority of the people believed what their leader was doing was right and they supported their Gov. Yes they killed a lot of so called "Enemies of the State".
Our country's worst enemy is OUR OWN COUNTRY, and i like it that way. we don't have to worry about the power hungry maniacs taking the country by force because they never even consider it. they don't consider rolling tanks thru our streets because it is tactically impossible to do whne so many people are personally armed. Take away those personal arms and parking a tank every mile or so is all they have to do.
a well regulated militia is individual people with military skills and they are volunteers. militias are never state owned or operated. the founders expressly intended Private Citizens to defend their OWN freedom.
You do not have enough "well trained" gun owners to go up against the Military and all the goodies they have to offer.
These deaths do suck. Nothing wrong with trying to reduce them.
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What really amazes me with as easy it is to get a gun in this country we have so few people going crazy with them compared to the amount of the population we have.
Trouble is that everytime there is a gun crime the press really hypes it up good and the copy cats soon follow.Which adds fuel to the fire.
This is just the price we pay for living in a free society. Can't make everybody happy and the supreme court has upheld the right to keep and bare arms. So it is guns we have.
On a personal note the real hard cases that I have dealt with that have used guns when most of them get out of prison they are packing again with in 48 hours they are careful because if they get caught they are back in but they still pack a piece and will use it.
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quote:Originally posted by Robot: dude, we gun owners are what stops alot more needless deaths than the ones you cry about on the news..
but you also let too many idiots own guns, causing those deaths.
Listen Robot...idiots are going to get guns one way or another...if they are already a known idiot, they cannot get a gun legally now...but they can get one illegally from another idiot...
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You do not have enough "well trained" gun owners to go up against the Military and all the goodies they have to offer.
LOL...
that what King George III thought too.
ask mach what he thinks about paid fighters versus fighters who have a cause.
i'll tell you what i KNOW, th emilitary would lose half it's people really quick IF and when UnLawful orders are issued. and th esides will even up fast then things will tilt to the people.
look in Iraq. we are sortof winning there now because we stopped fighting the insurgents and hired them..
the military is very powerful, but it is still run by people
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You do not have enough "well trained" gun owners to go up against the Military and all the goodies they have to offer.
You have no idea how wrong you are...
he doesn't understand how many of us there are. or what a revolution/coup d'etat looks like. the military can't find trained chopper pilots that will pour hot lead on their own brothers. they are't there.
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Chairman Mao killed tens of millions of unarmed people. Stalin? Hilter? the list is long.
No. This was not the people (militia) against the Gov. The majority of the people believed what their leader was doing was right and they supported their Gov. Yes they killed a lot of so called "Enemies of the State".
uh? Mao was leading the most people? you need to study some history. Mao was a soldier first and last. he was a butcher, and so was Stalin. concentration camps were used in both countries. millions and 10's of millions were thrown in jails and left to rot or just outright killed.
ask somebody (if you can find them) about what the Russkies did in Poland before the Nazi's ran them off... and then the Nazi's were just worse.
people are animals. there is nothing else to be said. some few of us that are not animals deserve the right to not have to be animals too, and the only way that will happen is for us to be STRONGER than the animals, not weaker.
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As of February 28, 2009 1,454,515 people are on active duty[12] in the military with an additional 848,000 people in the seven reserve components.[13] It is an all volunteer military, however, conscription can be enacted by the request of the President and the approval of Congress. The United States military is the second largest in the world, after the People’s Liberation Army of China, and has troops deployed around the globe.
there are more than 100 million armed citizens in the US
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: As of February 28, 2009 1,454,515 people are on active duty[12] in the military with an additional 848,000 people in the seven reserve components.[13] It is an all volunteer military, however, conscription can be enacted by the request of the President and the approval of Congress. The United States military is the second largest in the world, after the People’s Liberation Army of China, and has troops deployed around the globe.
there are more than 100 million armed citizens in the US
I think saying about 1/3 of the population is armed is exaggerated... perhaps 100 million guns out there but not 100 million people...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: ask mach what he thinks about paid fighters versus fighters who have a cause.
[about the unrest in Cuba] Michael Corleone: I saw a strange thing today. Some rebels were being arrested. One of them pulled the pin on a grenade. He took himself and the captain of the command with him. Now, soldiers are paid to fight; the rebels aren't. Hyman Roth: What does that tell you? Michael Corleone: It means they could win.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: As of February 28, 2009 1,454,515 people are on active duty[12] in the military with an additional 848,000 people in the seven reserve components.[13] It is an all volunteer military, however, conscription can be enacted by the request of the President and the approval of Congress. The United States military is the second largest in the world, after the People’s Liberation Army of China, and has troops deployed around the globe.
there are more than 100 million armed citizens in the US
I think saying about 1/3 of the population is armed is exaggerated... perhaps 100 million guns out there but not 100 million people...
Mach...you "think" his numbers are exaggerated, but the truth is you really don't know...there are close to a million firearms deer hunters in Michigan alone...and that is just the people who hunt deer...there are at least twice that many more in this state that are armed that don't hunt...you watch too many movies dude...
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A fact is that there are more people who agree with guns than who dont. The ones who dont cry about it all the time blaming guns for everything bad. They fear guns and were probably never exposed to any so that is understandable. There is nothing in the constitution that prohibits guns, but there IS something protecting them. They dont like that, and many feel the constitution is irrelevant anymore because they dont like whats in it.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Chairman Mao killed tens of millions of unarmed people. Stalin? Hilter? the list is long.
No. This was not the people (militia) against the Gov. The majority of the people believed what their leader was doing was right and they supported their Gov. Yes they killed a lot of so called "Enemies of the State".
uh? Mao was leading the most people? you need to study some history. Mao was a soldier first and last. he was a butcher, and so was Stalin. concentration camps were used in both countries. millions and 10's of millions were thrown in jails and left to rot or just outright killed.
ask somebody (if you can find them) about what the Russkies did in Poland before the Nazi's ran them off... and then the Nazi's were just worse.
people are animals. there is nothing else to be said. some few of us that are not animals deserve the right to not have to be animals too, and the only way that will happen is for us to be STRONGER than the animals, not weaker.
Germany 11 million USSR 20-30 million China 50-70+ million
Most, if not all of the deaths occurred during communist rule. Even Germany was run by only one democratic party by late 1930's so they were "communist" also. Mao's people died from labor camps, famine, and genocide at some point. Over all he wanted to “build a better Country for the people” and not him self, so they say. He had a twisted sense of leadership and viewed the end justified the means, from what I remember. The other two were both out for themselves.
As long as democracy is in power I don't see how a comparison can be made with these Country’s, other than to prove the success of a democratic system. If you feel that the USA could become a “communist” country and go after it’s people for some kind of “monetary gain” then I have no comment on that. I wouldn’t even know where to start. I do not think that is in the cards for the next century.
Militia against the Military? I think Canada is in a worse position with the French\English content in our Military. But yes there will be defectors to the militia side. As far as King George III goes, your only as good as your last fight. With the internet, wireless communication, GPS??? Don't count on the past victories.
For a short time getting double "AA" batteries to the troops in Iraq was an issue.
As far as animals go. I totally agree. The problem with that is you have to fight at, or "below" their level to win. "You" need to figure out a way to get rid of the animal.
I only wish you never "gave" them the weapons in the first place.
And that makes our side of the argument even harder because these "bad" guns are going to be around for like 50 years AFTER something substantial is done, which will never happen.
I am an idealist, and i am a realist, after all I work in the automotive industry.
PS, With the down turn in the auto industry, I am taking orders for Flintlock Rifles, Lancaster County Rifle Kit (J. Dickert Style) The Long Rifle Kit (Leonard Reedy Rifle) , Pistols and Custom guns.
Ha Ha Ha. My neighbor is a gun smith and he would be happy to sell you something. I don't mind cause I've never seen a "long gun" on cops taking out a 7/11.
Sorry for the "hit and run" post but I'm trying to maximize my time and it kinda sorta misses this forum.
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