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and? M-4's shoot a 5.56X44mm (basically a .223 calibre) round which was never designed to kill anything bigger than a Coyote. they just aren't that useful for hunting...
why would we use a round not designed to kill for warfare? because it takes two people to care for every wounded combatant. the only people "hunting" with full auto have no business hunting.
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The best hunting rifles are still bolt action with a good scope.
When I used to hunt I don't anymore I went up north tp Alaska. Favorite rifle there was my 375. H&H with using a 270 grain cartridge.
When I used to fish there at the time a 44 mag pistol was about the best you could find 8 inch barrle. Lot more to choose from now.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Quote Machiavelli:
"There is "politics" in everything not just in discussions about Gov't... for example even when we are discussing sports we always manage to discuss the "politics" of sports...
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Was not my point!
Can there be politics in any discussion ...sure there can.
Am i involved in the deep political discussions, i don't think so.
I do not know enough about politics to hold much of a discussion about them.
Age can help to build a background to discuss politics in better detail and with more real knowledge... but not in my case
You imo are knowledgeable enough to participate in political discussion and we have seen it no matter how much you deny it...
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Machiavelli, i am not one that likes any part of shooting or carrying a weapon but if you think it's that easy to hit any target just because your using an automatic weapon you better think twice.
I don't recall saying it is easy... i do recall saying it is most likely to hit the target with a automatic weapon then a non-automatic weapon... moving or not...
quote:If the target is real close and not moving fast might be one thing but beyond that can be a different ballgame.
That goes without saying that the longer the distance the more difficult it is to hit a target no matter the weapon... but again the likelyhood is that you will hit it with a automatic weapon if you are spraying many bullets at one time in the general direction of your target..
quote:Again the idea of not killing something is one thing i can relate to, i do not like the idea to some degree, but others having the right to hunt i also relate with although i don't hunt.
I never said they didn't have the right to hunt... only said I don't believe in hunting...
quote:The idea of actually hitting targets of anykind takes skill and even more so as the distance increases.
Read my answer to this above..
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Machiavelli: If you eat meat...you not only believe in killing living creatures...you ARE responsible for their death...
Excuse me, do you know me personally offline? No? thats what I thought. yes, i eat meat but rarer and rarer nowadays because of a health condition I have been diagnosed with lately. I can eat it but I should and am trying to only eat it sparingly. I eat more chicken, turkey and fish meats grilled then beef etc.
And sorry but read my words again, I said I do not believe in killing animals " personally" that means by my own hands. And I'm about as responsible for that animals death as you are for global warming.
Anyways you have contributed to the thread now, you can go back to your retirement now.
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"I don't recall saying it is easy... i do recall saying it is most likely to hit the target with a automatic weapon then a non-automatic weapon... moving or not..."
"No, I don't find pleasure in killing a animal personally. But there is no doubt that aiming a automatic weapon indiscriminatly in the direction of a living creature regardless of marsh waters etc. will hit and kill said creature then a non-automatic weapon because you do not need to have deadly aim with one."
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Maybe i just misread you Machiavelli, but from many of your quotes on guns and automatic weapons you make a pretty clear inference to me that an automatic weapon is an easy gun to hit any target just because it shoots multi bullets in rapid fire.
Maybe other people may have found that to be the case, but firing ak's, m-16's, machine guns are far from easy to hit targets unless you are at real close range and non or slow moving and in the open.
That's why when you are in the service they use to qualify you from expert on down.
Again maybe i am the only one that mis-read what you have indicated about automatic weapon's.
That's where the politics come in i guess.
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"But there is no doubt that aiming a automatic weapon indiscriminatly in the direction of a living creature regardless of marsh waters etc. will hit and kill said creature..."
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Are their really a lot of hunters carrying m-16's while deer hunting. I know some hunter's and they've never mentioned seeing someone hunting with and assault rifle.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Are their really a lot of hunters carrying m-16's while deer hunting. I know some hunter's and they've never mentioned seeing someone hunting with and assault rifle.
no, the ammo that an AK uses (7.62X39mm) is actually a good round for deer in brushy areas where you won't take a long shot, and you may touch a twig or leaf. however, accuracy is still required and AK's are not very accurate.
it has good short range stopping power and is not easliy deflected like lighter high velocity ammo...
on rare occasions? ultra and very high velocity light ammo can actually explode from touching leaf or twig....
as rule of thumb? .243 and a weight of at least 75 grains is the absolute lightest round useful for deer. i would not use any less than 95 grains.
.223 (M16) comes in at 45 to 75 grains
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Are their really a lot of hunters carrying m-16's while deer hunting. I know some hunter's and they've never mentioned seeing someone hunting with and assault rifle.
Nope.
Not only is it normally against the law (I know of no place it might be legal and it is, specifically, against federal law to use one or any other fully automatic gun to hunt for migratory animals. Any way, they are NOT comfortable to carry and use and aren't much count at normal hunting ranges.) It is quite simply, not practical. A hunting gun (rifle, pistol, or shotgun) needs to be carefully aimed, because there is seldom a second shot possibility. In hunting, you are trying to stop the beast with the first shot, not scare them into retreating as fast and far away a possible, so as to not be there for a second shot chance, which is what the first shot does.
Years back I did know a fool that went deer hunting with a tommy gun.
He hunted and shot eagerly and often, in burp gun fashion, until the obvious tell-tale sound echoing through the Texas Hill Country attracted a passel of game wardens an other sorts of do-rights, who laughingly arrested him and crried him off to the pokey.
He manged to pay of all the fines, eventually, none of which include punishment for illegally killing any game. He told me afterward that so far as he could tell, not a one of the approximately 20 deer he shot at was more than quit annoyed by the many rounds that he had scattered through the hills.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Machiavelli: If you eat meat...you not only believe in killing living creatures...you ARE responsible for their death...
Excuse me, do you know me personally offline? No? thats what I thought. yes, i eat meat but rarer and rarer nowadays because of a health condition I have been diagnosed with lately. I can eat it but I should and am trying to only eat it sparingly. I eat more chicken, turkey and fish meats grilled then beef etc.
And sorry but read my words again, I said I do not believe in killing animals " personally" that means by my own hands. And I'm about as responsible for that animals death as you are for global warming.
Anyways you have contributed to the thread now, you can go back to your retirement now.
1. Didn't imply in any way, shape, or form that I "knew" you personally...and with your apparent lack of responsibility for your actions and mean spirit..I wouldn't want too.
2. Sorry to hear about your health condition.
3. Chicken turkey, and fish are all living creatures, and if you do in fact eat them, you ARE "personally" responsible for killing them...you just choose to hire someone else to do the job.
4.Thank you for "allowing me to go back to my retirement" I really appreciate that...but I believe that working hard and contributing to society for the last 35 years earned me that right...not your OK.
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Lettuce and sugar snap peas are also living things....that we most often eat while still living.
Opening day was September 1 and I dropped a number of mourning doves. Plucked them, seared them, gutted them and put them in the frige. Saturdy I mixed up some dried cornbread crumbs, chopped onion, chopped bell pepper, chopped cellery, olive oil, sage, and salt and pepper, mixed in the doves and baked them in the oven for aout 35 minutes. UMMMMMMM...........goooooooood!
(Truthfully, I didn't use salt, I substituted potassium chloride, because it stops my legs from cramping in the night and making me have to get out of bed and stand on them, loudly cussin a blue streak all the while. Strains my vocal chords, ya know......wakes the neighbors too.)
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: 1. Didn't imply in any way, shape, or form that I "knew" you personally...and with your apparent lack of responsibility for your actions and mean spirit..I wouldn't want too.
I am more then responsible for my own actions and I only react to your past mean spiritness so do not be surprised on how I respond to you presently.
quote:2. Sorry to hear about your health condition.
Ty, such things happen.
quote:3. Chicken turkey, and fish are all living creatures, and if you do in fact eat them, you ARE "personally" responsible for killing them...you just choose to hire someone else to do the job.
Again, I am not personally responsible for such things and I do not hire anyone to do such things. Others do the hiring and the act of killing animals due to demand. But I do not ask anyone or any company to kill for me. If humans stopped eating meat forever it would not phase me at all. I would just eat veggies and fruits like everyone else though I would get bored of doing so after awhile.
quote:4.Thank you for "allowing me to go back to my retirement" I really appreciate that...but I believe that working hard and contributing to society for the last 35 years earned me that right...not your OK.
Wasn't looking for you to accept my OK, just looking for you to go back to your retirement since you already made your contribution to this thread lol
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"(Truthfully, I didn't use salt, I substituted potassium chloride, because it stops my legs from cramping in the night and making me have to get out of bed and stand on them, loudly cussin a blue streak all the while. Strains my vocal chords, ya know......wakes the neighbors too.)"
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How much potassium chloride do you have to put on to help those cramps?
They really suck i get them occasionally, it hurts just reading about them.
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I was wondering the same thing...I was also curious to know if the salt is what causes the leg cramps, or do you just use the potassium chloride to stop the cramps that are caused from something else?
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I have tried potassium gluconate tablets before but they upset my stomach a lot.
Maybe the way Bdgee uses it might not bug me so much.
Leg cramps can bring anyone to their back in a hurry.
You see those football players get wacked hard on the field and many times it does not even bother them, but they get a leg cramp and there on their back crying like a baby. Posts: 3875 | From: ca. | Registered: Jul 2005
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Lettuce and sugar snap peas are also living things....that we most often eat while still living.
Opening day was September 1 and I dropped a number of mourning doves. Plucked them, seared them, gutted them and put them in the frige. Saturdy I mixed up some dried cornbread crumbs, chopped onion, chopped bell pepper, chopped cellery, olive oil, sage, and salt and pepper, mixed in the doves and baked them in the oven for aout 35 minutes. UMMMMMMM...........goooooooood!
(Truthfully, I didn't use salt, I substituted potassium chloride, because it stops my legs from cramping in the night and making me have to get out of bed and stand on them, loudly cussin a blue streak all the while. Strains my vocal chords, ya know......wakes the neighbors too.)
I've got a number of morning doves that sit around in my garden.... I love to take them out but I'd probably shoot the neigbors house.
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Cramps are caused primarily by a deficiency in potassium in your system. Potassium chloride is sold (lmost pure) in granular form in grocery stores as "nusalt" or "nosalt" (or similar names) and, also, mixed with about 90% salt (sodium chloride). Once mixed in food, its taste is not different from salt (there is a very slightly noticeable but not objectionable taste difference should you mix it with water and, for example, gargle with it).
Once I realized how much better my legs are without the cramping, I seldom add actual salt to anything I eat at home, using the 100% potassium chloride instead. You get more than a sufficient amount of salt in you normal diet without adding any.
Also, should you have an excess salt problem due to heart problems, (fortunately I don't) you probably will be directed by your physician to stop eating salt anyway.
"How much does it take to prevent the cramping?"
That depends on your lifestyle and what you are doing. If you live in hot climate and work outside a lot, working up good sweat, you will need more as the potassium chloride comes out in sweat just like salt does. I do live where it is hot almost any month of the year, but when I'm not doing a lot outside and not involved in much physical exercise or activity, enough to make a serving of mashed potatoes taste right maybe once week will do. As I said, above, I have about stopped adding any salt to anything I eat at home. If I actually needed salt for some reason, I'd have to dig it out of the pantry, as I don't keep it on the counter or the table. (I have fiend that carries a special little container of potassium chloride when he eats in restaurants, but I don't bother with that).
It is more expensive than salt, but a container that is enough for two or three months (or more) is less the two dollars at the grocery. I used to be able to get i in three pound bags at an old fashioned sort of country store for less than the price of salt, but that store went out of business and I haven't found another.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Lettuce and sugar snap peas are also living things....that we most often eat while still living.
Opening day was September 1 and I dropped a number of mourning doves. Plucked them, seared them, gutted them and put them in the frige. Saturdy I mixed up some dried cornbread crumbs, chopped onion, chopped bell pepper, chopped cellery, olive oil, sage, and salt and pepper, mixed in the doves and baked them in the oven for aout 35 minutes. UMMMMMMM...........goooooooood!
(Truthfully, I didn't use salt, I substituted potassium chloride, because it stops my legs from cramping in the night and making me have to get out of bed and stand on them, loudly cussin a blue streak all the while. Strains my vocal chords, ya know......wakes the neighbors too.)
I've got a number of morning doves that sit around in my garden.... I love to take them out but I'd probably shoot the neigbors house.
Well, I won't explain how my paternal grandfather taught me to catch them with an old fashioned figure four trap, because it is illegal. However, should you discover how and end up with th makings and need good recipe, there is one posted above. It works well with quail and duck and rabbit nd squirrel and even chicken, if you are forced to eat the poor tasteless things (free range chicken is way way better tasting).
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"Cramps are caused primarily by a deficiency in potassium in your system. Potassium chloride is sold (lmost pure) in granular form in grocery stores as "nusalt" or "nosalt" (or similar names) and, also, mixed with about 90% salt (sodium chloride). Once mixed in food, its taste is not different from salt (there is a very slightly noticeable but not objectionable taste difference should you mix it with water and, for example, gargle with it)."
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Thanks Bdgee i will buy some and use it.
Thanks also Glassman i have tried eating one banana and it doesn't seem to be enough and anything more gives me a different problem.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Quote Bdgee:
"Cramps are caused primarily by a deficiency in potassium in your system. Potassium chloride is sold (lmost pure) in granular form in grocery stores as "nusalt" or "nosalt" (or similar names) and, also, mixed with about 90% salt (sodium chloride). Once mixed in food, its taste is not different from salt (there is a very slightly noticeable but not objectionable taste difference should you mix it with water and, for example, gargle with it)."
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Thanks Bdgee i will buy some and use it.
Thanks also Glassman i have tried eating one banana and it doesn't seem to be enough and anything more gives me a different problem.
Beedge and I disagree on this one. I find the potassium (K) salt products *extremely* salty. Like Beedge, I too quit using sodium salt some time ago. And because of my work (not lately obviously), I've had many late nights/early mornings with cramps--even went to the hospital once cuz my K was too low ==> irregular heartbeat.
Also, K is important for anyone with high blood pressure, because the more sodium you have in your diet, the bigger the benefit from more K.
Apricots have more K than bananas do, and orange juice has quite a bit. Obvious Google searches turn up lots of good sources...
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I have a heart that jumps around from time to time so maybe this stuff might help that also.
My biggest problem is that i have a worthless gut it does not tolerate much of anything, it's been that way for 40 years.
I envy people who can eat and take pretty much of anything and it does not bother them.
I have been pretty lucky have not had to take much medication so far in my life it always poses a major problem for me.
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As Ben Franklin said: In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. In a number of carefully controlled trials, scientists have demonstrated that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli, (E. coli) - bacteria found in feces. In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. (that's over 2 pounds).
However, we do NOT run that risk when drinking wine &beer (or tequila, rum, whiskey or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling, filtering and/or fermenting.
Remember: Water = Poop,
Wine = Health
Therefore, it's better to drink wine and talk stupid, than to drink water and be full of **** .
There is no need to thank me for this valuable information: I'm doing it as a public service.
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And we can see from the valuable information you supply, you have clearly been getting an adequate supply of water, Big. You are full of it.
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I wish I could claim credit but it was sent to me yesterday and since this thread had turned toward consumption I thought I'd pass it on.
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