quote:They all tell me they have seen a vast increase in people that would starve or be without clothes if not for their services.
You see, even the socialist propaganda that you quoted can't claim that people are starving. The only kids that are going hungry (not starving) in the US are kids with scumbag parents that are buying drugs instead of food - selling their food stamps; selling food they get from food banks instead of giving it to the kids; not taking the kids to food banks, etc. These kids wouldn't go hungry a single night if not for their scumbag parents. And I agree with Bond that these kids ARE exploited by criminals - again, all because of their scumbag parents. The only way to stop this is to fully prosecute these parents and the criminals - but we can't do that because the whiney left wants them to be "victims" instead of the criminals they really are.
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That there are children, and vets and others starving in our Nation is a matter of official Government record, even if it is outside the convenient experience of the pampered ivy league ignorance of dubya and his equally ignorant daddy. (What this tells us is that, with enough money and influence, it is possible to attend even the finest of our institutes of higher learning and avoid any semblance of learning.)
quote:They all tell me they have seen a vast increase in people that would starve or be without clothes if not for their services.
You see, even the socialist propaganda that you quoted can't claim that people are starving. The only kids that are going hungry (not starving) in the US are kids with scumbag parents that are buying drugs instead of food - selling their food stamps; selling food they get from food banks instead of giving it to the kids; not taking the kids to food banks, etc. These kids wouldn't go hungry a single night if not for their scumbag parents. And I agree with Bond that these kids ARE exploited by criminals - again, all because of their scumbag parents. The only way to stop this is to fully prosecute these parents and the criminals - but we can't do that because the whiney left wants them to be "victims" instead of the criminals they really are.
you are totally clueless...
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quote:On Monday, the private school notified the parents of its 132 students that it did not have the money to keep paying its 13 teachers. If it cannot come up with $120,000 to cover salaries until the end of the school year, it will have to close immediately, said Stephen Samborski, the school's interim chief executive. Students will have to start attending their neighborhood public school with only weeks left in the school year.
You're killing me with your silly gibberish! LOL! Did you even read the article you posted? If the PRIVATE school didn't have enough money to pay the teachers, the students would attend their neighborhood public school! ONCE AGAIN, NO CHILDREN IN THE UNITED STATES GO WITHOUT EDUCATION because there isn't money for teachers!!! AND ONCE AGAIN, NOT A SINGLE CHILD STARVES IN THE UNITED STATES (unless their parents intentionally starve them)! YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN AS USUAL!
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you are proposing prosecuting people for being poor?
they used to do that in England...
What is the federal poverty level (FPL) in 2006? 1
* $20,000 for a family of 4. * $16,600 for a family of 3. * $13,200 for a family of 2.
Is a poverty-level income enough to support a family?
Research suggests that, on average, families need an income equal to about two times the federal poverty level to meet their most basic needs. 2 Families with incomes below this level are referred to as low income:
* $40,000 for a family of 4. * $33,200 for a family of 3. * $26,400 for a family of 2.
There are 73 million children in the United States.
* 39%—28.4 million—live in low-income families. * 18%—12.8 million—live in poor families.
* 55% of children in low-income families—15.6 million—have at least one parent who works full-time, year-round. * 26% of children in low-income families—7.3 million—have at least one parent who works part-time or full-time, part-year. * 19% of children in low-income families—5.5 million—do not have an employed parent.
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quote:you are proposing prosecuting people for being poor?
No, I'm proposing prosecuting people for neglecting their children - for spending their government handout on drugs instead of feeding their children!
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quote:you are proposing prosecuting people for being poor?
No, I'm proposing prosecuting people for neglecting their children - for spending their government handout on drugs instead of feeding their children!
i don't think anybody disagrees with you about doing that. the problem you have is that you are telling us that those are the only poor people...
The only kids that are going hungry (not starving) in the US are kids with scumbag parents that are buying drugs instead of food - selling their food stamps; selling food they get from food banks instead of giving it to the kids; not taking the kids to food banks, etc. These kids wouldn't go hungry a single night if not for their scumbag parents
that's what you said...
yet we know for a fact that food banks aren't keeping up with demand..
Food pantry's clientele, needs keep growing
By HILLARY VAN DYKE • For the Journal & Courier • West Lafayette IN September 7, 2008
MONTICELLO -- White County families in need are turning to the White County Food Pantry in record numbers, bringing about a shortage of supplies and a request for donations so the pantry can fill those needs.
"We are serving so many families, and they all are very appreciative of what we have to offer them. They are allowed to come in every three weeks," board member Sharon White said.
Not only does the pantry offer food to needy families, it also offers services and products to women through a program called Women 2 Women.
"They can come in and get five sanitary products every month for free," White said. "We have lipstick, deodorant, combs, brushes -- anything that a woman would need that she cannot get with food stamps."
Every year the amount of people who use the services of the White County pantry grows, according to its director, Don Ross.
"In 2002, we served 8,633 people. Last year, we served 17,236 people. That tells you in five years we've more than doubled the number of families we serve. In June, we handed out 32,265 pounds of food, and in August, 29,831 pounds of food. Our costs keep going up, and the need for donations is more evident every day," Ross said.
i know some people like to say that this just started since the Dems took over in the Congress..
this didn't happen in 16 months... this is the product of years of mismanagement not just by the government, but by leaders of industry taking jobs to third world countries to "save money".
what they've actually done is brought the third world to the US.
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Yes, "what they've actually done is brought the third world to the US." and it will take a serious and expensive effort by the government to move it from Country, because it is an effort that the selfish single mindedness of the free market stupidity refuses to consider.
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quote:i know some people like to say that this just started since the Dems took over in the Congress..
this didn't happen in 16 months... this is the product of years of mismanagement not just by the government, but by leaders of industry taking jobs to third world countries to "save money".
I agree that this didn't happen in 16 months and both parties are to blame for it. However, I disagree that industry is to blame for taking jobs overseas. The purpose of business is to MAKE MONEY - nothing else. Although part of the problem is that we can't compete with lower labor costs overseas, a large part of the problem is over-regulation and over-taxation in the United States as compared to other countries. Another nail in our coffin will be the cap and trade system that both Obama and McCain support. Our government is intent on destroying us (and they are succeeding).
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a large part of the problem is over-regulation and over-taxation in the United States as compared to other countries. Another nail in our coffin will be the cap and trade system that both Obama and McCain support. Our government is intent on destroying us (and they are succeeding).
LOL.. taxes and regulations? more myths...
when was the last time you looked at the actual taxes payed as percentage?
Treasury Department figures show that actual corporate income tax revenues fell to $132 billion in 2003, down 36 percent from $207 billion in 2000. http://www.cbpp.org/10-16-03tax.htm
By Cassandra Q. Butts | April 10, 2004
The news that more than 60 percent of U.S. corporations failed to pay any federal taxes from 1996 through 2000 when corporate profits were soaring and that corporate tax receipts had fallen to just 7.4 percent of overall federal tax revenue in 2003 – the lowest since 1983 and the second-lowest rate since 1934 – is an outrage. But it should come as no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention to national tax policy over the past few years. The General Accounting Office (GAO) report also found that an astonishing 94 percent of corporations reported tax liability of less than 5 percent of their total income during the same time period. Corporate tax dodging has gone on for far too long. But the policies of the Bush administration have exacerbated the problem by furthering the culture of tax avoidance by big corporations and creating a pervasive unfairness in our tax code.
we have a very high base rate, it's actually the second highest in the world.. , but our tax code is like SWISS CHEESE...
as for regulation? i tried to set up a studio in CA... i found the regulations there to be oppressive... mostly due to earthquake issues...
when you ignore proper oversight? yo have major disasters...
if you don't regualte everybody? competition leads to cut corners all over and suddenly? we lose everything. the Chinese earthquake is a good example...
labor cost is the single biggest problem we face, and the best way to level that feild is to impose import duty like in the original constitution...
yet i keep hearing "free trade" shouted like a battle cry...
well? in the end? nobody has a job anymore to buy anything from ANYBODY. that's where we are headed with "free trade".
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"I agree that this didn't happen in 16 months and both parties are to blame for it. However, I disagree that industry is to blame for taking jobs overseas. The purpose of business is to MAKE MONEY - nothing else. Although part of the problem is that we can't compete with lower labor costs overseas, a large part of the problem is over-regulation and over-taxation in the United States as compared to other countries. Another nail in our coffin will be the cap and trade system that both Obama and McCain support. Our government is intent on destroying us (and they are succeeding)."
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This theory goes along with the same idea as outsourcing.
In some cases it has helped companies but in others cases it has not and for some reason many companies do not have the smarts to realign there direction till it's to late.
The unfortunate part is that we do not ever put into effect the bottom line of what will really stop most businesses from going outside of the US for their needs.
We do not need to go backwards and let business have a complete free hand to do anything they want just because they are in business, that's not the solution either.
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About two-thirds of U.S. companies and foreign firms doing business in this country paid no federal income taxes from 1998 to 2005, according to a study by the Government Accountability Office. Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., called the report "a shocking indictment of the current tax system." But the report said that about a quarter of large corporations - ones that had more than $250 million in assets or $50 million in gross receipts - paid no taxes. In 2005, for instance, 3,565 large U.S. companies and 998 large foreign-owned companies operating here did not pay any income taxes.
quote:To be sure, many of the nonpayers were small or new companies that probably made no money.
Do you want to tax companies that LOSE MONEY? Talk about driving them elsewhere (or out of business)!!!
quote:But the report said that about a quarter of large corporations - ones that had more than $250 million in assets or $50 million in gross receipts - paid no taxes. In 2005, for instance, 3,565 large U.S. companies and 998 large foreign-owned companies operating here did not pay any income taxes.
Do you think that all big companies made money? How about the auto industry or the airlines, etc, etc, etc. There are a large number of companies that are losing money. Should they pay tax when they make no money?
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Do you think that all big companies made money? How about the auto industry or the airlines, etc, etc, etc. There are a large number of companies that are losing money. Should they pay tax when they make no money?
i know they did PM...
for several years this decade? i know for fact (for instance) that Wachovia made about 900 million$ and paid NONE...
(you might want to ask them how they they do that, they might be able to help you do it too.. )
anybody who has studied the markets carefully knows they made lots of money and still are..
quit making excises for being fed propaganda; open your eyes. look around. take a deep whiff... that's not roses you are smelling...
you claim to be conservative? then stop listening to that idiot limbugger and Fox "News"...
you and people repeating the nonesense they are told on talk radio and TV are the reason the "Right wing" is taking it in the rear politically..
those guys on capital hill are saying wow? they actually beleive that crap? let's REALLY feed it to 'em... look at 'em lapping it up
even if Mccain wins (which i doubt) the Dems will be taking complete control over the congress...
they probably won't get 60 senators, but they MIGHT... and Leiberman might be the 60th....
and for crying out loud? what the hell is Conservative about shipping jobs overseas?
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Eighty-two major U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes at least once in the last three years, even while they reported more than $100 billion in U.S. profits during the years they paid no taxes, a study released Wednesday found.
Authors of the study, the liberal policy groups Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, said the finding reflected a broader trend of increased tax breaks that had allowed corporations to pay a smaller share of the nation’s total tax burden.
Among the companies cited: AT&T Corp., Boeing Co., Prudential Financial Inc., Time Warner Inc., Caterpillar Inc., Pfizer Inc. and Walt Disney Co.
The study examined public filings from 275 of the Fortune 500 companies, which reported $1.1 trillion in pretax profits for the years 2001-03. Had they been taxed at 35%, the ostensible corporate income tax rate, the companies would have paid $375 billion in income taxes over the three years. But a series of what the study called “loopholes and other tax subsidies” cut their combined bill by $175 billion. http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/23/business/fi-biztax23
still think it's co's that don't make money?
LOL:
Of the 82 companies that paid no taxes at least once during the study period, 30 paid no taxes in two or all three years, the study said. Some companies generated so many “excess tax breaks” that they received rebate checks from the government, the study said.
The low tax rates were concentrated in a few key industries: aerospace and defense, transportation, petroleum, utilities and electronics
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To me there is making money and there is making money a lot has to do with books.
If a large company is not really making money for several years then chances are it will go under be sold or be bailed out.
There is no way we will ever compete with some of these countries labor force in a major way because people in the US can not live for the price that they do in some of these competing countries, so droping standards is no solution.
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There is no way we will ever compete with some of these countries labor force in a major way because people in the US can not live for the price that they do in some of these competing countries, so droping standards is no solution.
yet people scream "protectionism" whenever this common sense is pointed out...
several years ago i pointed out that we are bankrupt...
well? now we are finding out just how bankrupt we really are...
Fannie and Freddie are the base of our most important investment in this country. the home...
they are slipping under...
conservatives and liberals blaming eahc other is only half the problem...
the other half is that white collar crime has become "acceptable" in our society...
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It is such a problem for us to compete in some industries in the US.
I keep looking into growing that biodiesel crop and it seems like it's so hard to make any money here growing it for just biodiesel unless you can automate most of the process.
I looked at that jatropha and it looks like you need a 1000-1500 trees an acre which might yield 2000 to 4000 gallons of fuel in the end.
Without even figuring anything beyond picking the fruits, it hard to make money yet in some other countries picking would be a very low cost. ( i need a subsidy)
We see this same problem in other industries also, it's that low labor cost that other countries have that is so hard to offset in this country when making and growing goods.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: [QUOTE] and steal profits from big oil, big pharma, and any other industry that is successful - which will result in higher prices for all of us.
ah, you mean like Palin did with the Oil industry in Alaska? lol
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I'm not an advocate of hunting with automatic weapons, but the statement "there is no sport or challenge in hunting with a automatic weapon... just means your a bad shot and need help" sounds to me like someone who has never tried to down a skittish windblown jack snipe while wading in waist deep marsh waters. It's a challenge whatever you are pointing at the beast!
No, I don't find pleasure in killing a animal personally. But there is no doubt that aiming a automatic weapon indiscriminatly in the direction of a living creature regardless of marsh waters etc. will hit and kill said creature then a non-automatic weapon because you do not need to have deadly aim with one.
And definition or no definition we all know what an automatic weapon is.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Yea i am into politics in a big way.
Did not know that politics is all we discuss on off topics, guess you will have to define exactly what politics are to you.
The main papers in LA area are the Orange County Register and the LA Times, neither of which are very good any more, but that is just my opinion from what they use to be.
There is "politics" in everything not just in discussions about Gov't... for example even when we are discussing sports we always manage to discuss the "politics" of sports...
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: Try the N.Y. Times for you news and the other local papers for you shopping cupons you will be much better informed and won't miss the sales
Wow...NY times? Sure it has NEWS, but it has got to be the biggest liberal media front out there in newspapers.
Just look at some of these articles that come from this place.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: labor cost is the single biggest problem we face, and the best way to level that feild is to impose import duty like in the original constitution...
I agree with imposing import duty to level the field so long as it doesn't tax them out of the market. Just as long as it makes prices about equal and encourage competition. If we get out of control with import duties American companies will feel the pain in exports to other countries....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: labor cost is the single biggest problem we face, and the best way to level that feild is to impose import duty like in the original constitution...
I agree with imposing import duty to level the field so long as it doesn't tax them out of the market. Just as long as it makes prices about equal and encourage competition. If we get out of control with import duties American companies will feel the pain in exports to other countries....
exaclty, American workers don't need protectionism to compete, they only need a chance to compete.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I'm not an advocate of hunting with automatic weapons, but the statement "there is no sport or challenge in hunting with a automatic weapon... just means your a bad shot and need help" sounds to me like someone who has never tried to down a skittish windblown jack snipe while wading in waist deep marsh waters. It's a challenge whatever you are pointing at the beast!
No, I don't find pleasure in killing a animal personally. But there is no doubt that aiming a automatic weapon indiscriminatly in the direction of a living creature regardless of marsh waters etc. will hit and kill said creature then a non-automatic weapon because you do not need to have deadly aim with one.
And definition or no definition we all know what an automatic weapon is.
No, Mach, we do not all know what an "automatic" weapon is. (A land mine maybe? A time bomb?) The term is used differently by various people, sometimes intentionally to confuse you, specifically. An even less understood term is "assault weapon", which NO ONE has ever managed to offer anything like an acceptable or specific definition that works.
Also, I can see by your reply that you have no idea what I was speaking of when I described the problem of downing a jack snipe while wading in a swamp. Whatever the gun used, the odds are with the snipe.
And that notion that any gun (a weapon is a thing of war and battle....not all guns are weapons, just a some knives are for butchering sheep and cattle and some others for delicate carving of inlays on fine hand made furniture) can be "aim[ed] indiscriminat[e]ly" is about as logical as saying something was done "accidentally on purpose". A gun may be pointed indiscriminately or it may be aimed, but not both at the same time. Too, you seem not to realize that a gun may be carefully aimed and still fail to hit the intended target, which is the case most of the time. Successful aiming and hitting an intended target is something that must be learned and becomes reliable, only after long practice.
I do not find anything wrong with you not finding "pleasure in killing a animal", but I can't imagine how you could kill one either personally or impersonally. Does the animal think and if so does it think its killing is personal?
By the way, you seem to believe that hunting is all about killing. It isn't. Among my most favorite hunting ventures are many when no game was even found. Among others I remember with great pleasure, the game was found but never bagged. (Contrary to what seems to be the trend of the day, I enjoy a good ball game even if my preferred team looses and when my chosen team thoroughly trounces some poor team, I don't much enjoy it and I seldom stay to the end.)
I have no intention of forcing you to go hunting. I feel no need to do so and cannot imagine how forcing you to do anything would bring me pleasure. I don't need to assume or declare that you have some failing or are in any way improper because of your choice in the matter.
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I do not find anything wrong with you not finding "pleasure in killing a animal", but I can't imagine how you could kill one either personally or impersonally. Does the animal think and if so does it think its killing is personal?
I really don't care if an animal thinks or reasons like us. And I didn't mean "personal" as you do. I just don't believe in killing any living creature except in self defense.
As for automatic weapon/gun or whatever name you wish to label it my own "personal" definition is a sub-machine gun, machine gun etc... the ones you can spray multiple bullets (like 100 or more rounds per minute etc.) with very little effort at a target...
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I do not find anything wrong with you not finding "pleasure in killing a animal", but I can't imagine how you could kill one either personally or impersonally. Does the animal think and if so does it think its killing is personal?
I really don't care if an animal thinks or reasons like us. And I didn't mean "personal" as you do. I just don't believe in killing any living creature except in self defense.
As for automatic weapon/gun or whatever name you wish to label it my own "personal" definition is a sub-machine gun, machine gun etc... the ones you can spray multiple bullets (like 100 or more rounds per minute etc.) with very little effort at a target...
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Uh huh, like a shotgun.....
Big difference between the two... one is pretty much a closer range weapon then the other one... but whatever... i am pretty sure most peeps on this board know what i mean without having to analyze or define every word being typed...
But my stance on trade tariffs stands
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"There is "politics" in everything not just in discussions about Gov't... for example even when we are discussing sports we always manage to discuss the "politics" of sports...
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Was not my point!
Can there be politics in any discussion ...sure there can.
Am i involved in the deep political discussions, i don't think so.
I do not know enough about politics to hold much of a discussion about them.
Age can help to build a background to discuss politics in better detail and with more real knowledge... but not in my case
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"No, I don't find pleasure in killing a animal personally. But there is no doubt that aiming a automatic weapon indiscriminatly in the direction of a living creature regardless of marsh waters etc. will hit and kill said creature then a non-automatic weapon because you do not need to have deadly aim with one.
And definition or no definition we all know what an automatic weapon is."
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Machiavelli, i am not one that likes any part of shooting or carrying a weapon but if you think it's that easy to hit any target just because your using an automatic weapon you better think twice.
If the target is real close and not moving fast might be one thing but beyond that can be a different ballgame.
Again the idea of not killing something is one thing i can relate to, i do not like the idea to some degree, but others having the right to hunt i also relate with although i don't hunt.
The idea of actually hitting targets of anykind takes skill and even more so as the distance increases.
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Lets get it straight in case some dont know. Automatic means you hold the trigger down and it fires rapidly until all rounds are expended.
SEMI-automatic means you must pull the trigger each time a round is fired off.
In order to have a fully automatic weapon you must have a class 3 license from the fed and it is becoming ever more costly. These are mainly collectors and enthusiasts. Not gang members going to the store to pick up a RPK.
Now to be accurate with a fully automatic weapon is rather difficult. I have shot them before over in Iraq and it gives us an advantage over insurgents. The AK-47 kicks enough to make aim just pointless. We used M-4's that have hardly any recoil on semi automatic fire to give controlled shots with accuracy. Still not always that easy to hit a target at decent distances.
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