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I agree with you guys. But McCain is running on a hereo stance. And there is a lot of different sides to the story. Maybe it ain't all that it is cracked up to be.
I do give him credit for his 23 missions and surviving and for that reason hereo statis.
For not wanting to come home maybe it was for another reason called shame.
either way the other side got posted as it sould be.
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Doesn't mean i can vote for him mainly because i am worried for his stance on war in general.
To me any one that can survive that prisoner of war hell hole in the Hanoi Hilton is a hero to me.
He has to wake up with real hellish nightmares every since then.
I had really forgot about this until Wallymac brought it up, i should know better.
I even have to laugh a little at his running mates kids.
Kids can sure bring you down to reality in a real hurry, they don't necessarily follow all the avenues we would like them to no matter who we are or how much money we may have.
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: I agree with you guys. But McCain is running on a hereo stance. And there is a lot of different sides to the story. Maybe it ain't all that it is cracked up to be.
I do give him credit for his 23 missions and surviving and for that reason hereo statis.
For not wanting to come home maybe it was for another reason called shame.
either way the other side got posted as it sould be.
exactly.... McCain brought his service into this campaign so there is no reason why it shouldn't be questioned like Palins' background is when she brings it into her acceptance speech... all is fair in Love & War... he's fair game like Kerry was... you don't want it questioned then don't mention it in the first place and use it as a means of getting elected...
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I'm not sure it really matters whether you bring it up or not one side or the other is going to bring up anything they can about the other side and find someone that can smear just about anything.
I guess that's what politics are all about today rather sad to me, but then i am not really into politics.
A lot of wrongs do not make a right!
Sure will be glad when the election is over but then again what will the papers have to write about except the war and crime.
Our papers here are cutting back more and more, especially in the important part the sports.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I'm not sure it really matters whether you bring it up or not one side or the other is going to bring up anything they can about the other side and find someone that can smear just about anything.
I guess that's what politics are all about today rather sad to me, but then i am not really into politics.
A lot of wrongs do not make a right!
Sure will be glad when the election is over but then again what will the papers have to write about except the war and crime.
Our papers here are cutting back more and more, especially in the important part the sports.
you liar!!! lol u know your into politics... if you weren't you wouldn't be in Off Topic... as for sports not being covered... not sure where you live in but here in NY sports is covered alot...
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Did not know that politics is all we discuss on off topics, guess you will have to define exactly what politics are to you.
The main papers in LA area are the Orange County Register and the LA Times, neither of which are very good any more, but that is just my opinion from what they use to be.
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Try the N.Y. Times for you news and the other local papers for you shopping cupons you will be much better informed and won't miss the sales
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Th GOP convention IMHO was fun to look at McCain gave a great speach but thats all it was.
War hero,bad mouth Obama, and say get involved and change your government. I agree a person should set time from there life to help others I do.
But times are bad and running on a war hero platform does not feed your children or keep you family in a house the Republicans don't give answers to that they just say tax cuts that does not create jobs or make mortage payments. Trickle down has never worked it sounds good but the truth is when the top end gets a tax cut it turns into investment capital,and goes over seas most of the time.
Now Obama says he will cut taxes on working people and small business this money stays here and is used for consumption.
all and all I have not heard anything in the Republican convention about the economy or how to start our economy up again.
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all and all I have not heard anything in the Republican convention about the economy or how to start our economy up again.
I didn't catch all of the convention, but didn't McCain talk about creating jobs that 'won't go away' in his final speech? Talked about the building\running of Nuclear power plants and other energy source construction jobs. He talked about how education was going to be a priority so that we would have the ability to perform the jobs here that get outsourced. That would help the economy no matter how you split it.
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That 6.1% doesn't INCLUDE the ones that have used up their benefits and still haven't found any job or the ones that lost their job and are trapped in a part time job at Burger King or Walmart.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: OK, so what's a job that won't go away?
i heard that too. and i was wondering what he meant....
The infrastructure building\maintainence I assume. Construction of a single nuclear power plant would employ a good number of people for several years, if McCain is serious about building a record number of them in a short (relatively) amount of time, that would employ a great many people for several years. Add to that the 'clean' coal stuff and the other necessary infrastructure for bringing the electricity from locations where the solar\wind\tidal power is being generated to where it is needed adds even more jobs. As these are location specific, they can't leave the states. As for when the projects are done...who knows?
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: Try the N.Y. Times for you news and the other local papers for you shopping cupons you will be much better informed and won't miss the sales
Wow...NY times? Sure it has NEWS, but it has got to be the biggest liberal media front out there in newspapers.
Just look at some of these articles that come from this place.
That 6.1% doesn't INCLUDE the ones that have used up their benefits and still haven't found any job or the ones that lost their job and are trapped in a part time job at Burger King or Walmart.
Does the 6.1% also includes the spouses of single income households that aren't in need of a job and thus aren't employed?
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Another question, what is generally considered an 'acceptable' unemployment rate. I understand that 0% is ideal, but where is the point that 'pretty much anyone who wants a job has one' unemployment rate, aproximately?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: OK, so what's a job that won't go away?
i heard that too. and i was wondering what he meant....
The infrastructure building\maintainence I assume. Construction of a single nuclear power plant would employ a good number of people for several years, if McCain is serious about building a record number of them in a short (relatively) amount of time, that would employ a great many people for several years. Add to that the 'clean' coal stuff and the other necessary infrastructure for bringing the electricity from locations where the solar\wind\tidal power is being generated to where it is needed adds even more jobs. As these are location specific, they can't leave the states. As for when the projects are done...who knows?
The problem is that none of this will happen in a short period of time. No one just goes out and starts building. First they will decide where to build them, then they will have to acquire the land and do and do all the necessary research and analysis etc etc. IMO, it would be years to begin building and even longer before those plants are up and running and providing stable jobs.
In considering this along with other programs he briefly mentioned, where is the money going to come from?
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As a guess, wallymac? The same place all of it's money comes from...us. That being obvious, I would add that if McCain really IS serious about chopping out pork spending and other frivilous earmarks, there are literally hundreds of millions of dollars that can be reallocated to these projects. As they start to bear fruit, I would assume that the reduction in money spent over seas on oil and other energy resources could also be directed to expanding the programs.
quote:6.1% unemployment rate... I think I heard it's at an all time high.
You heard wrong! 6.1% is NO WHERE NEAR the all time unemployment rate.
There is a very clear choice in this election.
Obama will raise taxes across the board. McCain will cut taxes.
Obama and McCain have both said that they will support the cap and trade system for the non-existent climate change, which will add about $2 to each gallon of gas.
Obama wants to invest in research for "green technologies", but not drill for oil; not build nuclear plants; not do clean coal; not do shale to coal, etc.
McCain has flip-flopped and now says he is for offshore drilling, nuclear, clean coal, shale, etc. This is obviously the better plan IF he doesn't flip-flop again due to pressure from the environmental wackos.
Obama wants to socialize medicine and steal profits from big oil, big pharma, and any other industry that is successful - which will result in higher prices for all of us.
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: As a guess, wallymac? The same place all of it's money comes from...us. That being obvious, I would add that if McCain really IS serious about chopping out pork spending and other frivilous earmarks, there are literally hundreds of millions of dollars that can be reallocated to these projects. As they start to bear fruit, I would assume that the reduction in money spent over seas on oil and other energy resources could also be directed to expanding the programs.
Just my view of a possible answer.
LOL...
the "pork" already provides jobs, do you have any clue what the pork does? this is just a good example of foolish logic.
when you build a bridge to "nowhere"? jobs are created. then there's more jobs building houses and towns and roads at the end of the bridge...
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i keep hearing how Obama is against nuclear, i think that's mis-characterization...
the nuclear people like him:
Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate By MIKE McINTIRE Published: February 3, 2008
Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.
Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.
quote:Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
That doesn't sound like a guy that's in favor of nuclear power!
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quote:Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
That doesn't sound like a guy that's in favor of nuclear power!
i'm for nuclear power, and i want all leaks reported, and i want a reasonable disposal system put in place...
is that too much to ask?
if he isn't for nuclear power? then why is the Nuclear Industry supporting him? LOL...
Nevada has a few electoral college votes, and both candidates want Nevada... but Nevada doesn't want Yucca mountain....
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Thanks, Bdgee.
Another question, what is generally considered an 'acceptable' unemployment rate. I understand that 0% is ideal, but where is the point that 'pretty much anyone who wants a job has one' unemployment rate, aproximately?
Acceptable unemployment rate based on what?.
Generally, using the same federal government figure that is currently reporting 6.1%, it varies with time, everywhere from 3% to 4.3%. But keep in mind, those figures are based only on the people receiving federal unemployment benefits and there are no actual definable limits.....it's more art and opinion than science and more a political definition than solid economic figure. Back when I was still claiming to be a student the point you are seeking ("the point that 'pretty much anyone who wants a job has one") was said to be around 3.8%.
I never accepted it because that is as defined by ivory tower Wall Street favoring types and I always have known quite well qualified people that could not find gainful employment. It's much like today, when the Wall Street types assure the rightwingers that the economy is strong and little kids go without a teacher because the local school board hasn't the money to pay one, while every eighth home is well behind on the mortgage or is in foreclosure. We are one big blunder from a full depression and it is because the no taxing righwingers have refused to allow the government to properly regulate the lending industry, claiming the free market will take care of it.
The free market never has and never will. Indeed, the free market is the same sort of utopian lie that communism is. It simply can't work because there is always a greedy selfish power hungry ego (or a million or way more) in the way, preventing the dream from reaching criical mass.
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You are showing your bigoted ignorance again, PM.
Why don't you learn to check facts before you pass that right-wing crap? (Hell, at least check them with someone that isn't a disciple of Fat Rush, the Doper. I bet you are you still running around believing there are no starving children in the U.S., just because the RNC claimed that years ago? They found out they were 100% wrong then too!!!)
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I don't worry nearly so much about public book burnings as I do about the secret ones. Among her very first efforts as mayor was to talk privately to the town librarian and suggest they agree to ban certain books that didn't suit her far right-wing philosophy. Fortunatly, for that town and our Constitution, the librarian refused to play along.
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More gibberish from you Bdgee? There are no children in this country who are denied an education because their school district doesn't have teachers! There are also no starving children in this country (other than an occassional one that is intentionally starved by their idiot drug addicted parents, which is not what we're discussing here).
Provide the proof that I'm wrong! You can't, because gibberish poetry is all you've got. All fluff, no facts.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: More gibberish from you Bdgee? There are no children in this country who are denied an education because their school district doesn't have teachers! There are also no starving children in this country (other than an occassional one that is intentionally starved by their idiot drug addicted parents, which is not what we're discussing here).
Provide the proof that I'm wrong! You can't, because gibberish poetry is all you've got. All fluff, no facts.
All you are doing is proving how little you know and proud you are of being ignorant.
You need to learn that, unlike you, I don't blow political hot air that I cannot back up. Stop preaching us the BS you collect as it passes out the rear orifice if Fat Rush, the Doper and go learn the facts instead of feeding us right wing lies.
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's what I thought. You have no evidence of a single child that is starving or being denied an education in the United States.
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