quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, exceptions inevitably amount to Constitutional violations and then to furthur eroding of the Constitution's viability.
It is a federal law that prevents his record from being released, not a constitutional law.
You really are a bit slow at times.....
Federal law emits as a result of the Constitution, first of all.
Second of all, there is this strangely worded Amendment (14) of the Constitution that prohibits exceptions when considering the rights of people...something like "...nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." In other words, NO EXCEPTIONS!
Moreover and third, what you you speak of is a criminal action, which will require the exception you foster to comply with Amendmenbat 5, 6, and 7. It can't.
The Constitution does specifically disallow a bill of attainer, which is the sort of thing you are suggersting with an "exception.
I think you fail to understand the Constitution, either willingly misconstueing it or misrepresenting it in confusion.
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: They keep calling the guys that lived with him "suitemates"... Did I miss the latest memo on the political incorrectness of calling someone a "roomate"?
Chris was saying earlier that Cho was wearing a bandana... "could be a symbol of suicide"... I guess he doesn't know what a hat worn backwards looks like....
suites are rooms that share a common area..guess these guys had private rooms?
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, exceptions inevitably amount to Constitutional violations and then to furthur eroding of the Constitution's viability.
It is a federal law that prevents his record from being released, not a constitutional law.
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Steve Capus NBC news president is saying the package sent to NBC headquarters had the name "Ax Ismail" for the return address... Same thing that was reported to be written on Cho's arm in red ink when he committed this atrocity.
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quote:But Ed Spencer, assistant vice president of student affairs, would not comment on any disciplinary proceedings, saying federal law protects students' medical privacy even after death.
Does anyone else here think an exception should be made in this particular case?
Legally there are exceptions that are MANDATED such as voicing threats to harm someone or confessing to abuse. That's it.
If there were no such threats or confessions then there is NO EXCEPTION.
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Subject: Gun School For Teachers
Las Vegas, Nevada: In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, Front Sight Firearms Training Institute, which arguably is the world leader in providing intensified courses in the defensive use of firearms for private citizens, feels they have the answer to stopping further attacks on school children. Front Sight is offering free firearms training to any school administrator, teacher, or full time staff member designated as school Safety Monitors. Front Sight will accept for training up to three staff members from each school, college or university. Applicants must submit a letter requesting training on school letterhead signed by the top school district official and designating the applicant as the school's Safety Monitor.
Guns and Teachers
Front Sight's Founder and Director, Dr. Ignatius Piazza understands that his offer may offend some school administrators and parents who do not see arming and training selected school staff members as a positive solution to violent attacks. However, he is quick to point out that historically, his approach has worked while gun control has actually increased violent crime by shifting the balance of power to favor the criminals and lunatics.
"My offer is not a new idea," says Piazza. "In the early 70's, Israel was faced with much greater problems of armed terrorist attacks on schools. The cry for more gun control was heard then too, but Israel very carefully analyzed all possible options before adopting the proactive position of arming and training their teachers. School shootings stopped and terrorists looked for easier targets." He maintains that gun control never has and never will stop criminals and madmen from carrying out acts of gun violence.
"In our country, every time a misguided individual on psychiatric drugs goes on a killing spree, anti-self defense legislators, watch the polls and exploit the dead victims in order to fool the public into accepting more gun control. It is time our country finds some resolve and the will to tackle the real problem- which is rooting out the actual influences in the lives of our youth that predispose them to commit atrocities such as those we saw at Virginia Tech. The problem is not guns. Guns don't cause these incidents to occur anymore than cameras cause child pornography or automobiles cause traffic fatalities. Israel had the right answer. Society is safer when we train and arm our law abiding citizens. As the defensive training leader in the USA, Front Sight is willing and able to set the example for the rest of the country to follow."
Armed Teachers
Dave Clark, who recently retired after teaching for the last 25 years at Junction Junior High School in Livermore, California agrees with Front Sight's philosophy. In fact, Mr. Clark has previously attended a Four Day Defensive Handgun course at Front Sight at his own expense and found the course to be exactly what is needed to train fellow teachers to stop an attack similar to Columbine school and Virginia Tech. "Front Sight provides safe and responsible training to a level that exceeds law enforcement standards." Says Mr. Clark. "Among the many lessons taught, I learned universally accepted rules in justifiable use of deadly force. More importantly, I learned when not to shoot and how to be more mentally prepared to see a lethal confrontation coming before it happens in order to avoid it. The firearms training is second to none and clearly gives the graduates the skill needed to save the lives of those in their charge if ever attacked. If my school district chose to adopt a policy of sending selected teachers to Front Sight for concealed handgun training, I would wholeheartedly support it and volunteer as a Safety Monitor. There is no reason for our children to continue to be victimized when free, professional training is available to stop school attacks."
Guns in Schools
There is evidence that a gun in the hand of a teacher will stop an armed attacker. The vice-principal of a school in Pearl, Mississippi used his handgun to stop and detain an armed killer until the police arrived. Dr. Piazza adds, "It seems obvious that armed and trained staff members inside the school are in a better position to identify the attackers and do something immediately to resolve the situation. It is much harder for police, who arrive on the scene too late to stop the killing."
Not so convinced is Sharon Piazza, Dr. Piazza's aunt who recently retired after 30 years as an elementary teacher and school administrator for Oak Grove School District in San Jose, California. "The thought of teachers carrying guns saddens me greatly. I would feel that we had failed as a society and missed the core reason why violence is occurring in our youth. It is not guns, but something much deeper that is the common thread in all these tragedies. If we must arm individuals in the school setting to protect our children, I definitely believe they need to be trained in when and how to use the weapon. However, I am definitely not one who would want to be armed and would not want to teach in that setting."
Lawmakers With Blood on Their Hands
Another obstacle to Front Sight's offer to train and arm teachers is the current law in many states prohibiting the possession of firearms on school grounds even when the possessor is qualified and has a concealed weapons license. Dr. Piazza quickly points out that those laws did not prevent or stop the gun violence at numerous schools over the last tens years. He states, "The brazen attacks in school after school during the last decade indicate criminals have concluded that 'Gun-Free-School-Zone' actually means 'Government Certified, Helpless and Unarmed Victim Zone.'
Case in Point: House Bill 1572 would have given college students and employees the right to carry a concealed handgun on campus but this legislation was killed in subcommittee by the General Assembly. Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy at the time to hear the bill had died. Hincker stated, "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this helps parents, students, faculty and visitors to feel safe on our campus." Mr. Hincker now has rotten egg on his face and the General Assembly has blood on their hands.
School administrators, law enforcement agencies, and legislators can change laws and policies if they truly want to stop these attacks.
Senator Bob Beers of Nevada had the right answer by introducing Senate Bill 286 which authorized teachers who hold permits to carry concealed firearms and who have completed a specific program of firearms training to carry concealed on schools grounds. Nevada lawmakers
shot down Senator Beers' prophetic legislation just one week before the Virginia Tech Massacre.
The voices of Dr. Ignatius Piazza and Senator Bob Beers can now be heard through the halls of every school in America as they scream, "How many more of our children must be gunned down before this country will wake up and pass sensible laws that protect our children by placing concealed guns in the hands of the good guys? No more free-fire-zones for deranged criminals!"
Schools Can't Afford to Pass on No Cost Security
Most school districts cannot afford to have even one full time police officer in every school, but they can easily afford to train three or more of their selected staff members to a higher level of firearms training than offered in police academies because Front Sight will provide the training at no cost."
Retired law enforcement firearms instructor, Mike Waidelich from Bakersfield, California strongly supports the Front Sight concept of arming and training teachers. "Nearly every tragedy on or off school grounds in the entire 30 years of my law enforcement career could have been prevented or the damage done considerably limited, by the presence of an armed and trained individual."
Concealed Guns
The training provided in Front Sight's basic training classes easily exceeds the training provided in most police basic training academies.
Front Sight proves it on their nationally televised reality series Front Sight Challenge shown every week on VERSUS Network. Seasoned law enforcement officers from around the country go head-to-head in tests of marksmanship, speed and tactics against private citizens-- including teachers-- who have not received any training other than Front Sight's firearms courses. Remarkably, the Front Sight trained, private citizens are currently leading the series 8 : 5.
Piazza adds, "Teachers will be trained to carry a concealed weapon, so potential attackers will not know which teachers are armed and which are not. In states that have adopted concealed weapon laws for private citizens, violent crime has dropped. School attacks will drop as well once it is known that any of the teachers and staff members on school grounds have the ability and training to stop a violent attack immediately."
Piazza explains that scientific research also supports Front Sight's stance on concealed weapon training. He references researcher, John Lott, Jr. from the University of Chicago School of Law who published Crime, Deterrence and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns in July 1996. "Mr. Lott's research of cross-sectional time-series data from all 3054 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992 found that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crime and appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed handgun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly."
Gun Control Increases Violent Crime
Piazza asks, "How many times must we experience another Littleton, Colorado or Virginia Tech before we wake up, study the research and adopt policies which actually reduce crime and begin saving our children instead of leaving them helpless victims when the next psych drug user snaps?"
Gun control typically increases violent crime yet some politicians continue to tout disarming law abiding citizens as a solution. Front Sight has a better solution.
School districts interested in taking advantage of Front Sight's commitment to help protect our children should call us at 1.800.987.7719 or e-mail Front Sight at info*frontsight.com. More information about Front Sight training is available at http://www.frontsight.com."
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Then we will have the teachers carrying firearms on campus and probebly shooting the wrong person in their panic. That's why guns scare me so much, so many mistakes happen.
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Anyone care to speculate why Cho would give himself an Islamic name?
Well one of the shrinks on cnn used the word "injustice collector". They collect all that they feel are injutices, even other people's. And we all know that Islamic radicals harbor this same trait.
He also sympathized with the columbine dopes.
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About anything that comes up as a response to this idiocy anytime soon has abou zero chance of helping and about a probability of 1 of doing real harm.
This reaction is emotion, not thought and reason.
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There sure are a lot of alarming and awful tragedies happening these days. Here is North Carolina this afternoon in a high school in Huntersville, a young man had a situation come up concerning a young lady he had feelings for and came on campus brandishing a gun. He then left and shot himself to death. Such a frightening time we are living in.
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quote:Originally posted by ruthie: There sure are a lot of alarming and awful tragedies happening these days. Here is North Carolina this afternoon in a high school in Huntersville, a young man had a situation come up concerning a young lady he had feelings for and came on campus brandishing a gun. He then left and shot himself to death. Such a frightening time we are living in.
well Ruthie, you are right, the times are difficult. unfortunately? they always have been, we just know more about what all is going out there... communication is better and faster...
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Yeah on Andesen Pooper two of the shrinks said "these things happen in clusters" and that they should stop playing the clowns footage because there are people out there that might identify and it could serve as a breaking point.
A little off topic...my friend ran into Anderson pooper in a restaurant the other day.....he was with his BOYFRIEND....yeah thats right
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Got one of the guns from a pawn shop across the street from the campus...I mean WTF.....what goes on down there??? And the owner labeled it a "normal transaction"
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Got one of the guns from a pawn shop across the street from the campus...I mean WTF.....what goes on down there??? And the owner labeled it a "normal transaction"
gee rim? i'm beginning to wonder if you are getting ready to ask me to turn in my "iron collection"
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Not the best place for a gun shop, but for these types of indivuals would not make any differance, they can get one somewhere else anyhow, i would worry more about party animals at college shooting themselves, with a shop so close. The part beyond the tragedy itself, is that so many people are hearing the details on tv on a constant basis, all day all night. Now families will have to deal with the fear and try and explain what happened to their kids. Some young kids and adults will have fear that will not go away. The talk about instructors and students getting guns seems so bad, yet it will happen. The truth of the matter is, that in most cases they can train them how to handle a gun, but most will not be trained enough to handle the situation. The worse thing is that some people have more and more fear(a lot because of what we read and hear) about what is going to happen to them when they go out. That can be a lot worse than what "might' happen. I have never felt that way and do not like the idea of a gun to protect myself. Again for me, i have that fear of guns and want no part of them. I wish a lot more people felt that way, but i also do not believe in gun control.
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I know people that " have that fear of (alcohol) and want no part of (it)".
Many of them advocate bringing back prohibition (perhaps indirectly in the guize of safety or moral necessity or "just as soon as we finish with smoking and have created the necessary court rulings") and insist it is their right to determine the rights of others because of their fear.
Many of them advocte bringing back prohibition directly and either, insist that the Constitutional blunder and disaster that had to be corrected before would not happen again, or claim ignorance of the Constitutional reality and history.
We are dealing with rights, not fears, with laws, not religion, with a constitutional republic, not a pure democracy.
The people do have the right for the Government to not be allowed to interfere with their rights and privileges, even if some of the people fear others or what others may do. Normally, when and if a person reacts to reality by trying to make others conform to their wishes, in spite of those others not wishing in concert with them, we put that person in the category of selfish crackpots (or worse, in a special place, when they carry on and on and on.....).
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Not true.....but a pawn shop??? Is it smart to give a person in hock ....errr uhhhh the option to trade up for a Glock???
The gun was purchased online from an out of state vendor, but according to Virginia law, it couldn't be shipped to Cho's residence, it had to be shipped to a licensed gun dealer, where a background check could be performed.... The "pawn shop" across the street from the campus was a licensed gun dealer.
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I know how it went down. That why I used the word option.
I agree with Iwish... I owned a few guns when I was younger(a little younger then the shooter)Always felt compelled to shoot the thing. Then I seen some friends go down at the other end of them....most didnt get up. The one thing every single situation had in common....they were alllllllll handguns
I dont want them around me....any un wanted visitors come in my house?? their getting bludgeoned to the likes of Rocky Dennis!!
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Suppose a young man had taken himself a wife and things went really bad and he saw the same thing happen to some friends ...... watched it destroy lives....
So, he got rid of his and "don't want them around".
Assuming that sort of logic, I'm supposed to accept his insistance that marriage is dangerous and wives are harmful to society?
Then, on the other hand, maybe wives could be useful in some circumstances?
Should we be asking the Legeslature to pass a concealed wife permit law?
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"Then, on the other hand, maybe wives could be useful in some circumstances?"
OOHHHH YEAH
"Should we be asking the Legeslature to pass a concealed wife permit law?"
"If you ever met my girl im sure you would walk away saying"
Good point...even better, if any unwanted visitors came in my home....they'ed have to deal with her as well....lets just say she sometimes has the temperment of a rabid mastiff!
and no she doesnt spin herself on the carpet at that time of the month..... at least not that i know of
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Suppose a young man had taken himself a wife and things went really bad and he saw the same thing happen to some friends ...... watched it destroy lives....
So, he got rid of his and "don't want them around".
Assuming that sort of logic, I'm supposed to accept his insistance that marriage is dangerous and wives are harmful to society?
Then, on the other hand, maybe wives could be useful in some circumstances?
Should we be asking the Legeslature to pass a concealed wife permit law?
Your on to something: My wife is dangerous, when she naggs on me I sometimes think about throwing a rope over the shower rod.loll
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