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How does what a nut does imply that he was protecting anyone?
Damn! He's a nut! What he does doesn't make sense. Give up on the let's make sense outta this guy and what he did. It just doesn't make sense at all.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: How does what a nut does imply that he was protecting anyone?
Damn! He's a nut! What he does doesn't make sense. Give up on the let's make sense outta this guy and what he did. It just doesn't make sense at all.
until the end of the 19th century? (British, Victorian) police had the same attitude about all criminals. Then Sir Arthur Conan Doyle changed that attitude.
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I doubt that gun laws actually prevent much crime. At the same time, I doubt the clain that carrying concealed weapons would have any significan't effect on preventing crime.
I've owned guns all my life and I long ago understood that if some nut, bent on being nasty, bust through the front door, I have little or no chance surviving by running for the gun cabinet....I will bust through the back door......much better odds of survival.
Then too, I sort of prefer to think of a nut busting through the front door with a gun than one tossing a bomb or a jug of gasoline. I'd prefer the chance that he isn't a good shot to the chance he'd miss me with a bomb.
Still, when a nut screws loose, it may be just too late to cure it. He'll find a gun or make a bomb or get some gas or......
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Gun Control would do no good for someone like this. Any thoughts?
no, gun control won't help.
Fatal shooting reminds Japan: it can happen here 18 Apr 2007 11:32:15 GMT Source: Reuters
By Linda Sieg
TOKYO, April 18 (Reuters) - It couldn't happen here. That's what many Japanese were doubtless thinking after a gunman massacred 32 people at a U.S. university.
But the fatal shooting of the mayor of Nagasaki as he campaigned for re-election has reminded people of Japan's dark underworld of gun-toting "yakuza" gangsters, and prompted some, including Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, to call for even tighter controls. "This is really awful. It is related to yakuza -- ordinary people don't carry guns and don't want to carry guns," said Fumiko Tateno, 48, who works in a patent attorney's office.
"It's different from America, where the government protects people with guns," she added. "It's a very big shock."
Japan has strict gun control laws, and what firearms there are mostly in the hands of yakuza or hunters.
"Japan already has some of the tightest controls in the world," Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters in response to a question about gun control. "But I think that control should be even more thorough." "Guns are banned in Japan, but even so, this sort of thing has happened. It is tragic," said Norihisa Hirano, a salesman at an IT-related firm, on his way to work on Wednesday.
"There is a black market for guns. We need better controls."
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holy moly! VA Tech coed on "Today" right now...was a high school freshman at Columbine...escaped there *before* the cops were called, not so close to action this time...but still...
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It starting to come out that there were all kinds of red flags. So at what point does the legal process bog down at removing sombody like this from society???
BLACKBURG, Va. (CNN) -- Cho Seung-Hui, the student blamed for the deadliest shooting spree in U.S. history, had "a really mean streak" that prompted Virginia Tech professor Nikki Giovanni to threaten to resign unless he was removed from her poetry class in 2005, the nationally-known poet said.
Although he officially remained on her class roll, the head of the English Department responded to Giovanni's demand by arranging to teach him one-on-one for the rest of that semester, Giovanni said.
Giovanni, in an interview on CNN's American Morning Wednesday, said two of her students dropped out of the class because Cho was "taking photographs of us, we don't know what he's doing."
"He was a very intimidating student to my other students," Giovanni said. She said she wrote a letter to English Department head Lucinda Roy asking that Cho be removed from the class.
"I was willing to resign before I was going to continue with him," she said.
Giovanni said at the start of each class there would be a "ritual" in which she would have to ask Cho to take off his sunglasses and cap.
She said what scared her, and prompted her to ask for campus security to keep a watch on her, was the poetry he wrote for the class.
"He was writing just weird things," she said. "It was terrible. It was not bad poetry, it was intimidating."
She said when she told him to stop writing such poems, he argued back.
"He said 'you can't make me' and I said 'yes, I can," she said.
Her memory of his time in her class was so strong that when she first learned someone had gone on a shooting rampage on campus, she immediately suspected it was Cho.
"I would have been shocked it wasn't," Giovanni said.
"There was something mean about this boy," she said. "It was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."
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What a sad thing these shootings are. How does anyone know what really goes on in someone's head when something like this happens. They can speculate how they might have stopped it, but in reality if you try and figure out what each college student writes and what they wear, then decide if they are allowed to attend college, good luck. Things like a hat and sunglasses, how many students might that fit. The tragedy the families and friends must feel, and then you have to re-live it day after day with all the coverage. All those young lives.
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there was alot more to it then a hat a glasses. I think the teacher was just making a point on how it was a ritual with him and his defiance Its also being said that some of the students dubed him a "school shooter". Sad to say but in this case alot of people knew and are helpless to act.
Look into the interview with his roomate.....
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In screenplays Cho wrote for a class last fall, characters throw hammers and attack with chainsaws, said a student who attended Virginia Tech last fall. In another, Cho concocted a tale of students who fantasize about stalking and killing a teacher who sexually molested them.
"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare," former classmate Ian MacFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a **** posted on an AOL Web site.
"The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of."
He said he and other students "were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter."
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling."
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I know there is more beyond what is said in the articles, but after the fact you can say the warning signs were there (and it appears they were). I thought defiance in college was part of college, with quite a few students. There are and will be big investgations into this tragedy and i am sure that more cross searches of students will come about. I can see students getting thrown out of college for for what they write and questionable behavior. I am not sure that will stop this from happenning again, i hope so, but deep down i really do not think so. It will mean more students will be controlled on what they write and how they act as to not draw attention, thus maybe get kicked out of school or just keep it to themselves. I do not know where the solution is, if any. But i do not like the end result of what happened or what might change as a result of this tragedy, if it means hugh cross checks of students on a continual bases. Tough call for administrators to take on in the future.
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It will mean more students will be controlled on what they write and how they act as to not draw attention, thus maybe get kicked out of school or just keep it to themselves.
good point...
this brings into question whether self-control matters.
did this shooter have any?
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There is no way to stop this from happening again. Just like there is no way to keep terrorist from coming into this country and doing the EXACT same thing. A "nut" will find a way of taking whatever life he/she decides to take....and as we seen, how many he/she decides to take.
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According to court papers, on Dec. 13, 2005, a magistrate ordered Cho to undergo an evaluation at Carilion St. Albans Hospital. The magistrate signed the order because of evidence Cho was a danger to himself or others as a result of mental illness. The next day, according to court records, a special justice approved outpatient treatment for Cho.
It is unclear how long Cho stayed at Carilion, though court papers indicate he was free to leave as of Dec. 14. Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said Cho had been continually enrolled at Tech and never took a leave of absence.
A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans would not comment Wednesday.
After the first stalking incident, police referred Cho to the university's disciplinary system, Flinchum said.
But Ed Spencer, assistant vice president of student affairs, would not comment on any disciplinary proceedings, saying federal law protects students' medical privacy even after death. In any case, Cho remained enrolled up until his death.
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quote:But Ed Spencer, assistant vice president of student affairs, would not comment on any disciplinary proceedings, saying federal law protects students' medical privacy even after death.
Does anyone else here think an exception should be made in this particular case?
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NBC has recieved "writings and images" via mail(?) from Cho and turned them over to the authorities.
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Supposedly NBC recieved them a few days ago.... CNN is saying NBC will have a special report tonight? Not sure, no questions were taken at the press conference where this news was released.
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Nope, exceptions inevitably amount to Constitutional violations and then to furthur eroding of the Constitution's viability.
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BLACKSBURG, Va. - The Virginia Tech gunman sent photographs, videos and writings to NBC in New York before he died in the massacre that left 33 people dead, authorities said Wednesday. NBC said that a time stamp on the package indicated the material was mailed in the two-hour window between the first burst of gunfire and the second.
"This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation. We're in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evaluate its worth," said Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police.
NBC said it immediately turned the package — containing what the network described as a "lengthy diatribe" — over to authorities on Wednesday.
The package included digital images of him holding weapons and a manifesto that "rants against rich people and warns that he wants to get even," according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the case.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: How does what a nut does imply that he was protecting anyone?
Damn! He's a nut! What he does doesn't make sense. Give up on the let's make sense outta this guy and what he did. It just doesn't make sense at all.
Well first of all it will tell us if it was the gun he purchased last month.... whos to say he didnt have 2 glocks or even 3. The store owner said he bought 50 rounds of ammo....which means theres a chance he had more ammo previously....
As far as "Give up on the let's make sense outta this guy and what he did." It appears it made perfect sense, especially when in 2005 the courts ruled him "an imminent danger to himself"
No wait youre right. lets just forget about trying to figure out what made the guy tick and prevent future incidents...
DAMM just when I thought you had a little brain power to go with your vast english courses...
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, exceptions inevitably amount to Constitutional violations and then to furthur eroding of the Constitution's viability.
It is a federal law that prevents his record from being released, not a constitutional law.
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Well first of all it will tell us if it was the gun he purchased last month.... whos to say he didnt have 2 glocks or even 3. The store owner said he bought 50 rounds of ammo....which means theres a chance he had more ammo previously..
it's not that difficult for trained experts to "raise" filed numbers...
the stamping process disturbs the undlerying metals... simplified explanation: they polish the filed surface smooth and study the "disturbed" area underneath magnetically...
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Va. Tech gunman sent material to NBC By MATT APUZZO, AP National Writer 19 minutes ago
BLACKSBURG, Va. - Between his first and second bursts of gunfire, the Virginia Tech gunman mailed a package to NBC News containing what authorities said were images of him brandishing weapons and a video of him delivering a diatribe about getting even with rich people.
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"This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation. We're in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evaluate its worth," said Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police. He gave no details on the material.
NBC said that a time stamp on the package indicated the material was mailed in the two-hour window between the first burst of gunfire in a high-rise dormitory and the second fusillade, at a classroom building. Thirty-three people died in the rampage, including the gunman, 23-year-old student Cho Seung-Hui, who committed suicide.
The package included digital images of him holding weapons and a manifesto that "rants against rich people and warns that he wants to get even," according to a law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the case.
MSNBC said that the package included a CD-ROM on which Cho read his manifesto.
"NBC Nightly News" planned to show some of the material Wednesday night, MSNBC reported.
NBC said it immediately turned the package over to authorities on Wednesday. The package was sent to NBC News head Steve Capus.
If the package was indeed mailed between the first attack and the second, that would help explain where Cho was and what he did during that two-hour window.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Well first of all it will tell us if it was the gun he purchased last month.... whos to say he didnt have 2 glocks or even 3. The store owner said he bought 50 rounds of ammo....which means theres a chance he had more ammo previously..
it's not that difficult for trained experts to "raise" filed numbers...
the stamping process disturbs the undlerying metals... simplified explanation: they polish the filed surface smooth and study the "disturbed" area underneath magnetically...
I believe police have already "raised" the filed numbers off of both guns, based on what I heard on CNN this morning. One was bought in Roanoke ~5 months ago and the other was bought online, and then picked up at a gun shop ~April 9th across the street from the campus.
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MSNBC is showing some of the images from the "package" right now...
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Shows him posing like some guy from a Hollywood shoot-em-up film.... More to be released in about an hour via NBC.
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yeah, listening to Chris "go off"... it's amazing what some of these talking heads say...
Chris was saying how he woulda never let this guy be his roomie in college..DUH? why do you think this guy went postal? (oops not supposed to say that anymore am i?)
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They keep calling the guys that lived with him "suitemates"... Did I miss the latest memo on the political incorrectness of calling someone a "roomate"?
Chris was saying earlier that Cho was wearing a bandana... "could be a symbol of suicide"... I guess he doesn't know what a hat worn backwards looks like....
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