quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Hitler was a christain, according to Hitler and appropriate and credible sources.
He prayed to the same god as you.
And you see where his screwed up thinking got him.
Yep, I sure do.
And along the way it got him feeling it was ok to kill several million people because they didn't worship the same as he did.
But you go right on telling everyone that praying to that god is good, because you and those that believe in it "feel" it is......like Adolph did.
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His actions prove he was no christian....He would say anything to justify his actions..Just like the extreme islamic fascist. Their thinking and Hitlers thinking were very similar.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Hitler was a christain, according to Hitler and appropriate and credible sources.
He prayed to the same god as you.
According to himself and Credible sources...who cares about own opinion his Christianity measured with his own meter. You will know a tree by it's fruit. Did he do anything or live in a way which would suggest he was a follower of Christ?
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And Christian fascists are ruining this country right now.
That's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.
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Ramius........Dont give up brother. I have to go for now. I have to go back to work. Talk to you all soon. I dont hate you. Life is so short. Why waste it on so much negative thoughts and damning words.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Hitler was a christain, according to Hitler and appropriate and credible sources.
He prayed to the same god as you.
And you see where his screwed up thinking got him.
Yep, I sure do.
And along the way it got him feeling it was ok to kill several million people because they didn't worship the same as he did.
But you go right on telling everyone that praying to that god is good, because you and those that believe in it "feel" it is......like Adolph did.
LOL, sounds like you're blaming Hitler's twisted view of the world and the horrible things he did on Christianity. Adolf was a sick man. The argument really stops there. He dragged his twisted view of Christianity into his screwed up head.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Hitler was a christain, according to Hitler and appropriate and credible sources.
He prayed to the same god as you.
According to himself and Credible sources...who cares about own opinion his Christianity measured with his own meter. You will know a tree by it's fruit. Did he do anything or live in a way which would suggest he was a follower of Christ?
And so, following you ideas, I weight your opinion of your religion as you rate hitler's of his.
Good advice, now, having so advised, how about not insisting that on your experience and advise, your god is THE GOD or that there is one?
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Hitler was a christain, according to Hitler and appropriate and credible sources.
He prayed to the same god as you.
According to himself and Credible sources...who cares about own opinion his Christianity measured with his own meter. You will know a tree by it's fruit. Did he do anything or live in a way which would suggest he was a follower of Christ?
And so, following you ideas, I weight your opinion of your religion as you rate hitler's of his.
Good advice, now, having so advised, how about not insisting that on your experience and advise, your god is THE GOD or that there is one?
No you don't...I weight Hitlers view of his religion against the fact that his actions don't align with the guide book. You weight mine against your feeling that there is no guide book.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Hitler was a christain, according to Hitler and appropriate and credible sources.
He prayed to the same god as you.
According to himself and Credible sources...who cares about own opinion his Christianity measured with his own meter. You will know a tree by it's fruit. Did he do anything or live in a way which would suggest he was a follower of Christ?
And so, following you ideas, I weight your opinion of your religion as you rate hitler's of his.
Good advice, now, having so advised, how about not insisting that on your experience and advise, your god is THE GOD or that there is one?
No you don't...I weight Hitlers view of his religion against the fact that his actions don't align with the guide book. You weight mine against your feeling that there is no guide book.
Nonsense!
You are making unwarranted assumptions again.
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Anyway.....The purpose I started this thread was to do just this. Discuss Christianity....otherwise we would not be talking about the subject. As long as it is discussed......someone may just be willing to turn their life over to the Lord Jesus Christ. If this thread helps one person, it was worth it.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Anyway.....The purpose I started this thread was to do just this. Discuss Christianity....otherwise we would not be talking about the subject. As long as it is discussed......someone may just be willing to turn their life over to the Lord Jesus Christ. If this thread helps one person, it was worth it.
actually? i think you are more likely to chase people away with this thread...
your claims are preposterous...
J R? it's not nice to speak of the dammed, er i mean banned...
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Bdgee........What is nonsense?
I won't attempt to give a formal derfinition, since a word does not have a definition (or even a meaning), only usages.
However, I can site examples. Read any of the post here claiming the proof of the existance of any religious entity or the truth of any religious belief or writing.
Those things cannot be proved and so any claim that they can or have been is nonsense.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
you are the truth, I am the truth ,bdgee,ramius,ace,nirvana,all of us, are the truth...everything you see, hear,and touch. is the truth...everything else is conjecture,superstition,and speculation...you will have to deal with it sooner or later...reality is here and now, thats it, thats all there is, you will die and be dead forever and ever...there is no rapture, no life after death. unless you mean that your body will provide food for other things and you will live on that way.... be good,kind,loving,and dont lie,cheat or steal...and try to be happy...course happiness is just an illusion. there is no hell, no heaven..so you dont have to be scared if you dont believe. it will be ok..
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Andrew why are you trying to convince people there is a God and Jesus? What is your point? There are plenty of verses in the Bible that outright say Jesus is God, but you don't even post those. Nor do you list the non religious and secular historical writings of men like Josephus that document Christ.
Regardless, there is no passage in the scripture that commands you to convert souls through argument and strife.
If these folks do not want to believe such things so be it. And if you chose to believe so be it. You can still peacefully coexist with folks who do not hold to your beliefs. Christ did this every day he walked the earth.
If Christ were walking the earth today do you really suppose he would be on the internet trying to pursuade folks to follow him? I doubt. He would most likely be serving food at a soup kitchen. Or doing relief in the hurricane disasters. Or quietly helping the poor and needy somewhere. Or helping kids who don't have parents. Agreed?
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
you are the truth, I am the truth ,bdgee,ramius,ace,nirvana,all of us, are the truth...everything you see, hear,and touch. is the truth...everything else is conjecture,superstition,and speculation...you will have to deal with it sooner or later...reality is here and now, thats it, thats all there is, you will die and be dead forever and ever...there is no rapture, no life after death. unless you mean that your body will provide food for other things and you will live on that way.... be good,kind,loving,and dont lie,cheat or steal...and try to be happy...course happiness is just an illusion. there is no hell, no heaven..so you dont have to be scared if you dont believe. it will be ok.. :cool:
Proof please....
Is this some sort of play act or are you really that much of a nimwit?
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
you are the truth, I am the truth ,bdgee,ramius,ace,nirvana,all of us, are the truth...everything you see, hear,and touch. is the truth...everything else is conjecture,superstition,and speculation...you will have to deal with it sooner or later...reality is here and now, thats it, thats all there is, you will die and be dead forever and ever...there is no rapture, no life after death. unless you mean that your body will provide food for other things and you will live on that way.... be good,kind,loving,and dont lie,cheat or steal...and try to be happy...course happiness is just an illusion. there is no hell, no heaven..so you dont have to be scared if you dont believe. it will be ok..
Proof please....
Is this some sort of play act or are you really that much of a nimwit?
Actually "Little Hitler" the original question was directed towards you...Since you have stated that in fact Christianity is a hoax, I was just asking you oh wise one ...what is the truth? and to provide proof...not that difficult to understand. By the way it's dimwit...not nimwit...
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
you are the truth, I am the truth ,bdgee,ramius,ace,nirvana,all of us, are the truth...everything you see, hear,and touch. is the truth...everything else is conjecture,superstition,and speculation...you will have to deal with it sooner or later...reality is here and now, thats it, thats all there is, you will die and be dead forever and ever...there is no rapture, no life after death. unless you mean that your body will provide food for other things and you will live on that way.... be good,kind,loving,and dont lie,cheat or steal...and try to be happy...course happiness is just an illusion. there is no hell, no heaven..so you dont have to be scared if you dont believe. it will be ok.. :cool:
Proof please....
Is this some sort of play act or are you really that much of a nimwit?
Actually "Little Hitler" the original question was directed towards you...Since you have stated that in fact Christianity is a hoax, I was just asking you oh wise one ...what is the truth? and to provide proof...not that difficult to understand. By the way it's dimwit...not nimwit...
Your dictionary is inadequate...
It's a variation of "nitwit":
nit‧wit:
"nɪtˌwɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nit-wit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun a slow-witted, stupid, or foolish person."
I can't see much to gain by getting into a discussion of the logical constructs of truth and it's various definitions, characterizations, and identifications with someone that thinks truth rest on something printed and popular or endoctrinated by the stringent rote teaching of children.
Have you ever considered that your belief in the bible is little more than a notion of the logical trap of "everyone else believes it so it must be true" falacy?
Of course you haven't, or you wouldn't be so eager to confuse yourself and everyone else you can attack with it.
Now I ask (rhetorically....I neither expect nor intend to pay attention to any response that is a further attempt to insult, which is what you are up to) what if you had been born in and lived only in Iraq or Iran or Egypt, where the bible, as you know it, is hardly available. let alone popular, and the Koran is everywhere? You'd be Islamic, no doubt, as you are a only a follower of the tide.
Bye now....you have fun being a pest and a jerk.
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quote:Originally posted by Nirvana: Andrew why are you trying to convince people there is a God and Jesus? What is your point? There are plenty of verses in the Bible that outright say Jesus is God, but you don't even post those. Nor do you list the non religious and secular historical writings of men like Josephus that document Christ.
Regardless, there is no passage in the scripture that commands you to convert souls through argument and strife.
If these folks do not want to believe such things so be it. And if you chose to believe so be it. You can still peacefully coexist with folks who do not hold to your beliefs. Christ did this every day he walked the earth.
If Christ were walking the earth today do you really suppose he would be on the internet trying to pursuade folks to follow him? I doubt. He would most likely be serving food at a soup kitchen. Or doing relief in the hurricane disasters. Or quietly helping the poor and needy somewhere. Or helping kids who don't have parents. Agreed?
good post..
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quote:Originally posted by Nirvana: Andrew why are you trying to convince people there is a God and Jesus? What is your point? There are plenty of verses in the Bible that outright say Jesus is God, but you don't even post those. Nor do you list the non religious and secular historical writings of men like Josephus that document Christ.
Regardless, there is no passage in the scripture that commands you to convert souls through argument and strife.
If these folks do not want to believe such things so be it. And if you chose to believe so be it. You can still peacefully coexist with folks who do not hold to your beliefs. Christ did this every day he walked the earth.
If Christ were walking the earth today do you really suppose he would be on the internet trying to pursuade folks to follow him? I doubt. He would most likely be serving food at a soup kitchen. Or doing relief in the hurricane disasters. Or quietly helping the poor and needy somewhere. Or helping kids who don't have parents. Agreed?
You just impressed me Nirvana. FWIW
BF
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Have you ever considered that your belief in the bible is little more than a notion of the logical trap of "everyone else believes it so it must be true" falacy?
Of course you haven't, or you wouldn't be so eager to confuse yourself and everyone else you can attack with it.
In fact bdgee...yes I have. I was brought up as a Catholic, and left the church because I felt it was contradictory. I am not, nor will I ever be a "blind follower" of anything or anyone...but, I have lived my life as both a non believer and a believer...have you?
By the way...I only put out insults when I recieve them....(remember calling me a nimwit)
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quote:Originally posted by Nirvana: Andrew why are you trying to convince people there is a God and Jesus? What is your point? There are plenty of verses in the Bible that outright say Jesus is God, but you don't even post those. Nor do you list the non religious and secular historical writings of men like Josephus that document Christ.
Regardless, there is no passage in the scripture that commands you to convert souls through argument and strife.
If these folks do not want to believe such things so be it. And if you chose to believe so be it. You can still peacefully coexist with folks who do not hold to your beliefs. Christ did this every day he walked the earth.
If Christ were walking the earth today do you really suppose he would be on the internet trying to pursuade folks to follow him? I doubt. He would most likely be serving food at a soup kitchen. Or doing relief in the hurricane disasters. Or quietly helping the poor and needy somewhere. Or helping kids who don't have parents. Agreed?
You just impressed me Nirvana. FWIW
BF
I agree, except for one thing, he would not be doing this "quietly" as what he says and does would raise much controversy as it had back then. The greed he would encounter in His Name he would disprute as he did in the jewish temple. Jesus spoke loudly to many.
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And loudest of all to those who "lorded" in his name to gain position and influence and power.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: if my recollection is correct? bdgee has stated in the past that he was raised by church professionals..
Well that explains a lot...My experience with organized religion wasn't good either, but I didn't let that experience alienate myself from God...I chose to pursue a personal relationship with God, and from that, I became a believer in him...not from the church or it's teachings.
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