quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: No one knows what the truth is, (and I can prove it.)
Common sense dictates my belief that vast amounts of the Bible are hogwash, however.
Common sense also dictates my belief that vast amounts of the bible are absolutely true. Of course, this came only after putting the tenents and principles into practice and seeing the results for myself.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: No one knows what the truth is, (and I can prove it.)
Common sense dictates my belief that vast amounts of the Bible are hogwash, however.
Common sense also dictates my belief that vast amounts of the bible are absolutely true. Of course, this came only after putting the tenents and principles into practice and seeing the results for myself.
of course vast amounts are true... obviously there is also a lot of stuff designed to "convince" and convert new followers too...
the problem with the evangelists of today is that the most visible and outspoken of them are just palying political games and selling real estate in heaven, instead of working on improving society...
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: No one knows what the truth is, (and I can prove it.)
Common sense dictates my belief that vast amounts of the Bible are hogwash, however.
Common sense also dictates my belief that vast amounts of the bible are absolutely true. Of course, this came only after putting the tenents and principles into practice and seeing the results for myself.
of course vast amounts are true... obviously there is also a lot of stuff designed to "convince" and convert new followers too...
the problem with the evangelists of today is that the most visible and outspoken of them are just palying political games and selling real estate in heaven, instead of working on improving society...
You're exactly right about the evangelists of today. Of course there are plenty of good one's too, but the it seems like the "bad apples" are the one's that everybody remembers, and the one's that are always in the press. Think about it, Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Baker are still used as examples today of what "Christians", or "The Church", is like. They were just two guys.
We don't seem to hear much about the thousands of local and small town Pastors and churches that are truly focused on changing their communities for the better, and doing it, not just talking about it from the pulpit.
Many people think the TV Evangelist represents the Christian pulse in this country...please.
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quote:You're exactly right about the evangelists of today. Of course there are plenty of good one's too, but the it seems like the "bad apples" are the one's that everybody remembers, and the one's that are always in the press. Think about it, Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Baker are still used as examples today of what "Christians", or "The Church", is like. They were just two guys.
We don't seem to hear much about the thousands of local and small town Pastors and churches that are truly focused on changing their communities for the better, and doing it, not just talking about it from the pulpit.
Many people think the TV Evangelist represents the Christian pulse in this country...please.
that's because most of the very high profile evangelists are using Christianity for the wrong purposes.. and Bush has "ridden" them into office...
IMO? he has done more to damage Christianity than just about anybody since the Spanish Inquisition...
all of the damage is yet to be assessed...
Evangelists beleive they have to go out and convert people... i don't question that some people have the very best of intentions in their hearts when they do this...
i would even argue that the majority of evangelists are good people trying to make a positive difference....
BUT? Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson? they are definitely working a long-term plan that involves taking over the govt... i'm not guessing about that... they are trying to do it... and they have spent a lot of money trying to re-write US history as part of that plan...
they are not simply Evangelists, they are Propagandists...
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THE USA IS THE SAME AS ANY OTHER NATION IN THE EYE OF GOD
Member Rated: posted 23-10-2006 16:46 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First of all.
(1) Christ was not an American he was cocerned with the kingdom of god.
If you are a christian and a believer you would have to ask your self why would god be concerned about America over any other country.
(2) Our past is certainly not the path a real Christian would have taken.
The policy of our Government was to make sure slavery stayed as an economic institution and when we needed there land we took it from the native americans even if that method ment genocide. And we used the support of established religion to help justify this.
(3) And if that is not enough the people that stole and abused everything there turn in the barrel came when the railroads expanded, and the new industrialist need there land for natural resourses. If they could not buy it they just killed people and took it. And when they needed people to work they just brought in new slaves Chinese and the Irish. That they worked to death
I could give anybody an in depth study and paper on this but that would not be my reason here. If this sounds Christ like to you you need a check up from the neck up.
Like our loyal presidents followers a few slogans and some jargon are all they use to say I am Christian and I am right. You follow me. I long for the old days ect,ect and ect.
Our Governemnt from the begining has always represented the ruling block of capitol at the time and protected it. If you want to praise people praise all the good people in our past Christian and other that fought to give us rights,like voting womens sufferage,the abolishinist movement and the labor movment that nobody today has the guts to start again and that includes the unions who people gave there lives up so unions could be legal. Look at the milk toasts that run unions today.
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It is really simple. Jesus Christ died for your sins. The bible is the truth. But if we know without a shadow of doubt that men's threats cannot harm us spiritually, we can stand. Our faith strengthens us. His strength becomes our strength. If we know that "For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain" (Philippians 1:21), then we can stand. If we trust Christ's promises, we can stand in the face of anything.
Why bash Christ and the Bible? Just move on.
You have to answer for yourself. I do not judge you, but I pray for you.
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Why is so appauling to you to have someone pray for you. Look man...I am by no means perfect or anywhere close to it. But, what does it hurt to let people have their say. It is not hurting you. If you dont like TV evangelist...turn the channel. If you dont like hearing about christianity.....go to another thread. I hope you are open minded and dont think everyone who believes in Jesus Christ is shallow and superstitious. And yes whether you like it or not I will pray for you. Just remember YOU have to answer for YOU.
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appauling?...what the ell does that mean?..
youre funny...
most people think they have a sense of humor, but they really dont...
pray for the iraqi people...
i will wish(which is nothing more than praying) for you lost and sad souls to come out of the darkness of superstition and into the light of reality...
you should try to open YOUR mind... but i'm afraid it might be too late... it sounds as if you are over the edge...
sometimes i may watch the tv preachers, just for fun. and i may comment, then i will switch stations..
just like here..
you are a form of entertainent. so i will watch and comment and then leave. ok with you?
bye,bye andy
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Except to you, your faith is a superstition and absolutely nothing else.
Expecting others not treat it as a superstition is a bit arrogant, isn't it, particularly when that is the way you approach any other belief?
There is an enormous amount of arrogance in your demanding anything from others about your religion when you haven't the generosity to even allow any other's existance without insult.
Maybe you should try keeping your religion to yourself and keeping your ideas about other's beliefs unspoken. Certainly , until you can avoid comment about other's beliefs, you shouldn't be expecting others to not comment about yours.
"Practice what you preach" goes two ways.
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sorry ace... just expressing some thoughts and opinions..no disrespect intended..
BUT...it is MY belief that faith in a religion is akin to carrying a four-leaf clover or rabbits foot or any of the other things used to "help " someone thru the day... religion assures people that there is more to this life and it gives them hope in a life-after-death scenerio...religion thrives on peoples fears and insecurities...
and i do believe that praying and wishing are synonymous, or nothing more than a "thank you" lord for me scoring that touchdown...
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Speaking of a thank you lord for scoring a touchdown, I tried prayer last night, twice. Laid down some money on the Cowboys -3 and prayed for them to cover, they didn't. BUT, I also took the over at 43 and prayed for a lot of scoring which did happen so god was 50/50 with me last night. Actually, no he/she/it wasn't, on the losing bet I have to pay an extra 10% "grease" so in my case at least, prayer is a losing proposition.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: sorry ace... just expressing some thoughts and opinions..no disrespect intended..
BUT...it is MY belief that faith in a religion is akin to carrying a four-leaf clover or rabbits foot or any of the other things used to "help " someone thru the day... religion assures people that there is more to this life and it gives them hope in a life-after-death scenerio...religion thrives on peoples fears and insecurities...
and i do believe that praying and wishing are synonymous, or nothing more than a "thank you" lord for me scoring that touchdown...
Hey Jordan,
I get what you're saying, and think millions of people feel the same way you do. I have been a Christian my whole life, and have plenty of my own doubts, and find myself wondering some things. There are many topics I won't even discuss with my "Christian" friends because I know we're not on the same wavelength. So many of them follow blindly at what scripture says that they fail to try and understand what it really means.
In order to grasp what Christianity is really about, people have to get past what they think it is, what they've been told it is, and what the media plays it to be. It's not about the afterlife, or blowing up abortion clinics, or paying for prayer. It's about a relationship, and about how that relationship plays out in our daily lives. It's about the fact that there is a living God, and if we so choose we can interact with him("him" for lack of a better term).
People get so hung up on Faith Faith Faith. "It's a superstition, a four leaf clover, just luck, just imagined". It does start with faith, but faith turns quickly to relationship, and then the scales are removed from the eyes, and the world is seen in a completely different light.
Wishing and prayer are synonyms to you because you don't have the relationship, so for you the result is the same whether you wish or pray. When pray, I expect an answer. I'm not picking on you specifically, just referring to the millions of people who feel the same way you do.
Despite the doubts I have about some things, and the things I don't understand, I can't deny the relationship.
Just to preempt a barrage of bashing comments. No, I'm not brainwashed. No, I'm not a sheep. No, I'm not a koolaid drinker. My comments come from real life experience, that anyone else can have if the choose.
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"Just to preempt a barrage of bashing comments. No, I'm not brainwashed. No, I'm not a sheep. No, I'm not a koolaid drinker. My comments come from real life experience, that anyone else can have if the choose."
So you say......
It is the sme god that Hitler prayed to and he felt all that too, or had you noticed.
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bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "Just to preempt a barrage of bashing comments. No, I'm not brainwashed. No, I'm not a sheep. No, I'm not a koolaid drinker. My comments come from real life experience, that anyone else can have if the choose."
So you say......
It is the sme god that Hitler prayed to and he felt all that too, or had you noticed.
I don't know who Hitler prayed to, but his actions were contary to Biblical standards, so if he was "hearing" from someone, it wasn't God.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
you are the truth, I am the truth ,bdgee,ramius,ace,nirvana,all of us, are the truth...everything you see, hear,and touch. is the truth...everything else is conjecture,superstition,and speculation...you will have to deal with it sooner or later...reality is here and now, thats it, thats all there is, you will die and be dead forever and ever...there is no rapture, no life after death. unless you mean that your body will provide food for other things and you will live on that way.... be good,kind,loving,and dont lie,cheat or steal...and try to be happy...course happiness is just an illusion. there is no hell, no heaven..so you dont have to be scared if you dont believe. it will be ok..
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quote:Originally posted by Ramius: I don't know who Hitler prayed to, but his actions were contary to Biblical standards, so if he was "hearing" from someone, it wasn't God.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: bdgee...your post makes zero sense...(as usual) Your closed mindedness is just as dangerous as Hitlers was. I'll ask this question once again...If Christianity is NOT the truth...then what is?
you are the truth, I am the truth ,bdgee,ramius,ace,nirvana,all of us, are the truth...everything you see, hear,and touch. is the truth...everything else is conjecture,superstition,and speculation...you will have to deal with it sooner or later...reality is here and now, thats it, thats all there is, you will die and be dead forever and ever...there is no rapture, no life after death. unless you mean that your body will provide food for other things and you will live on that way.... be good,kind,loving,and dont lie,cheat or steal...and try to be happy...course happiness is just an illusion. there is no hell, no heaven..so you dont have to be scared if you dont believe. it will be ok..
Jordan, are you getting commision on souls or something? LOL. You teling people what is and isn't, is no different than having someone preach at you. People are going to believe what they believ and no amount of hearing otherwise is going to make them change their mind.
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Contrary to what you believe Jordan, Most people do not think like you do. Thank GOD!
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Hitler used his "faith" to sway public opinion in his favor exactly the same way Bush does.
"You know, I could run for governor, but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business ..." -- G.W. Bush
"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." -- G.W. Bush
That's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.
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Denial,,,,,,denial......denial. Say what you want......Jesus is real and thats the bottom line.
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The proof is in the Bible. Funny how I chase you from thread to thread. I will not give up on you.... Maybe on this thread, but my prayers are with you.
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