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I don't keep such records at hand, but didn't I see about a month back a PR out of the United Methodist refusing to condone the invasion of Iraq?
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no point in going any further... you don't even know what you are saying anymore...
Blind in your arrogance aren't you Glass. I never, ever said the war was good. Everything I posted above was a quote about war. I said the war was necessary because we are broken human beings, I did not say it was good.
You did see that from the Council of Bishops. Now how do you all claim to have credentials on Methodism?
"Well, I can reccommend to the seminary that this pair isn't ready for prime time, particularly in the intellectual department...
Send 'em back for remedial training, guys, these ain't graduatable yet...."
See, athei-centric hate comes out in denigration simply because you don't agree with me. You are incredibly intolerant.
"this is just creepy...
each person will go on their own...
you act like Bush and Cheney will represent US?
wierd man, really wierd..."
What I meant is every one of us will be held to account for the sins of this nation of which war is one. Of course you don't believe anyway so why do you care?
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What I meant is every one of us will be held to account for the sins of this nation of which war is one. Of course you don't believe anyway so why do you care?
just because i thrash you for posting contradictory statemnets doesn't mean you have any clue what my religious beliefs are....
are you sure you are Methodist? you type more like a Baptist...
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First there was no contradictory statement. You are mistaken because of this limited means of communication. That's because the lovely PM I got said people were sick of my long-winded posts. So I am trying to abridge my responses, which means making black and white statements instead of the nuanced position I hold to.
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Are you claiming to be Methodist? I can see what your point is Glass, but we are on opposite sides of one issue. You don't seem to understand, I was never in favor of going to war over WMDs. I was never in favor of Shock and Awe. I was in favor of buying Saddy off into exile and removing him from his killing machine. The only thing that motivates me in the situation of Iraq and Sudan is the on-going genocide or the historic genocide.
"just because i thrash you for posting contradictory statemnets doesn't mean you have any clue what my religious beliefs are...."
when you sharply criticize me for my religious view, it does leave me with a rather definitive opinion of your general view on religion. This is a great demonstration of what I teach about peace-building. Too bad you all won't give me a hearing because of my political Independence and religious views.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: no, you guys are saying Bush was right to invade another country to "do good"... i propose the "novel idea" that Jesus might be just a little upset about that...
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I had a full and estensive eduation in methodism via two great uncles that were Methodist Bishops before you were able to read, lad....
There is "the lie" placed on another of your silly assumptions meant to grant you authority. You are no authority on anything, that's just selfish arrogance you carry around.
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Weapons Inspectors Leave Iraq Along With All Other U.N. Personnel, By Orders Of Kofi Annan
BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 18, 2003 A portrait of Saddam Hussein stands vigil over the road, as U.N. weapons inspectors head out of Iraq on orders of U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan. (AP)
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U.N. weapons inspectors arrived in Baghdad for the first time in four years on Nov. 27, 2002. During four months of inspections, arms experts traveled the length of the country hunting for banned weapons of mass destruction.
(AP) U.N. weapons inspectors climbed aboard a plane and pulled out of Iraq on Tuesday after President Bush issued a final ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to step down or face war.
A plane carrying the inspectors took off from Saddam International Airport at 10:25 a.m. It landed an hour and a half later in Laranca, Cyprus where the inspectors have a base.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Monday ordered all U.N. inspectors and support staff, humanitarian workers and U.N. observers along the Iraq-Kuwait border to evacuate Iraq after U.S. threats to launch war.
U.N. spokesman Hiro Ueki said 56 inspectors as well as support staff were on board Tuesday. Reporters at the airport saw about 80 people boarding buses for the plane, and officials earlier estimated the total number of U.N. evacuees at about 150.
still want to defend Bush? you think he really gave peace a chance? you are blinded by something...
After failing to secure U.N. authorization to use force to disarm Iraq, President Bush gave Saddam 48 hours to step down or face war in a speech Monday night.
Iraq rejected the Bush ultimatum, saying that a U.S. attack to force Saddam from power would be "a grave mistake. Saddam warned that American forces will find an Iraqi fighter ready to die for his country "behind every rock, tree and wall."
But Saddam made a last-minute bid to avert war, admitting that Iraq had once possessed weapons of mass destruction to defend itself from Iran and Israel - but insisting that it no longer has them. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/iraq/main544280.shtml
"It's unfortunate we have to leave now," Ueki said at the airport. "I think all the inspectors and support staff have done our best."
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funny how griff and JW disappear when you dig stuff like this up...
only to reappear with some new "provacative" thread....
like we have only short term mammary or something?
This is a great demonstration of what I teach about peace-building. Too bad you all won't give me a hearing because of my political Independence and religious views.
LOL
translated: "whyz everbuddy allus pickin' on me?"
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Let's play boys! I think you all take this too seriously, but I don't see the need for this rhetoric to escalate personally. As always I am a peace-builder. But if we must get attacked then Glass better offer more than he has, we will never convince each other and I have said as much. Glass will make a compelling argument, but mine is equally valid as an understanding of the facts we have.
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translated: "whyz everbuddy allus pickin' on me?" No Glass, let me explain what I said:
This is a great demonstration of what I teach about peace-building. Too bad you all won't give me a hearing because of my political Independence and religious views.
That is a simple statement of fact.
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I feel no persecution, I feel no being picked upon. See, this is a diversion for all of us. It's not real. If the www crashed today we would find another diversion. This is a place to unwind and have some fun. That's why I am puzzled when Glass says he's going to undo me completely. Forget the wording exactly but it's on page 6 of the thread I started. We can't harm each other on this site. Why would we want to?
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: I feel no persecution, I feel no being picked upon. See, this is a diversion for all of us. It's not real. If the www crashed today we would find another diversion. This is a place to unwind and have some fun. That's why I am puzzled when Glass says he's going to undo me completely. Forget the wording exactly but it's on page 6 of the thread I started. We can't harm each other on this site. Why would we want to?
This is very real.. to believe otherwise is proof that you are being dishonest. And I assure you there are some here that could cause you great harm if they desired.
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"This is very real.. to believe otherwise is proof that you are being dishonest. And I assure you there are some here that could cause you great harm if they desired."
Relentless, the other parts of this site, where real consequences can be created by transactions, are very real. To me this is a forum where we debate topics, have fun, get silly at times, and unwind
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If I said that it was a mistype, I work with residents of Columbus Junction and so one of my towns is Columbus Junction where I am a volunteer with JFON. I actually serve Southeast Louisa County United Methodist Parish with members from: Wapello, Morning Sun, Oakville, Mediapolis, Columbus Junction and Grandview. And I find it interesting that you are digging into my job. Why would that be?
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"What has where Columbus Junction is got to do with the percentage of Mexicans in Morning Sun, Iowa?"
Bdgee, I know I never called these persons Mexicans. Since you have checked that out you know the Latino population is far more diverse than that and we have people from several Latin nations both in our congregation at Wapello and in Columbus Junction. JFON is justice for our neighbors an organization that helps immigrants in this country,
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I recalled having seen a page on the net saying that that the "Pastor" of the Morning Sun United Methodist Church presided at a funeral. It also said that pastor was a woman.
So, a post claiming the town (or any other in Iowa) is 54% Mexicaan (along with the United Methodist minister being female) contrary to what you have been saying, sounded fishy.
Here ya go.....census data on Morning Sun, Iowa:
Races in Morning Sun:
* White Non-Hispanic (95.1%) * Hispanic (3.8%) * Other race (1.4%) Ancestries: German (30.2%), Irish (11.0%), English (10.1%), United States (7.1%),
Scotch-Irish (2.6%), Welsh (2.6%).
I guess they are all illegals and the census guy couldn't find all those wetbacks, huh?
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i think hes' beginning o realise that we can see quite abit with our 'puters. if we know how to look..... of course? this isn't real research it's just fun-n-games.... real research is going to Iran and preaching peace to the Ayatoluhs....
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