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“Cindy Sheehan is a clown. There is no real antiwar movement. No serious politician, with anything to do with anything, would show his face at an antiwar rally.”-Karl Rove
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France's serious riots were caused by unjust social and employment conditions. In a sense they were "struck" but for very different reasons. There they imported primarily African labor with the promise of pay and equal opportunity. Then they found all they could afford were the slums. It would never have happened if the system really wanted to afford them opportunity. Which is why the plan I set out in another thread would work.
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“Cindy Sheehan is a clown. There is no real antiwar movement. No serious politician, with anything to do with anything, would show his face at an antiwar rally.”-Karl Rove
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"Karl Rove" From GB, this quote came from KR not from GB. And what do you think your venting spleen and name calling all over this site is about? You are free to ridicule anyone you want, and you do. You are free to dissent about anything and you do. That people will criticize that dissent is a given. As I post I fully expect people to disagree and insult me.
If I put myself out there, in the public square, I expect to get eggs thrown at me. My lack of a gall bladder means eggs tend to hate me, but I love 'em anyway. Scrambled that is. I also expect I will make mistakes, and when I do, like the other day, I apologize. That's called discourse. We don't have to agree, but we should appreciate each other's humanity, even when we mightily disagree. So I rise to defend those who are so mistreated as our president president.
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the other thing griffon is overlooking is that with/because of, that large group of immigrants? France has many intel collecting tools in place... France was on the opposition side of the iraq war because they KNEW for a fact there was no uranium deal... they control the uranium tradein northern africa...
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"You're right, glass. Don't you just love how these guys scatter like roaches when the kitchen light (I.E. the truth) is turned on?"
What truth? I note many people scatter when the truth of the Gospel is proclaimed: Love God and love your neighbor. If that were listened to no one would be ridiculing anyone. Course then there would be no war either.
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"the other thing griffon is overlooking is that with/because of, that large group of immigrants? France has many intel collecting tools in place... France was on the opposition side of the iraq war because they KNEW for a fact there was no uranium deal... they control the uranium tradein northern africa..."
Not overlooking that at all, Glass. And they were opposed to invading Iraq for exactly the reason one of the earlier cited articles said: they were owed billions by Saddy and didn't want to give them up. Add to that the Oil-for-Food Francs and the promise of an oil field and we know why they didn't like the prospect of invasion. It cost them money. In the end they traded lives for profit. Many of the weapons the Russians took out to Syria primarily (also documented earlier) now find use against Israel. France deals in life and death, just ask Sudan, Chad, and other former colonies. There's that colonialism precursor
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My friend, you need to re-read what I said: I said you are free to dissent and using my own case, I know when I dissent, I will face eggs thrown at me. That means I expect people who disagree with me will throw stones.
"I have come to the conclusion that you are being disingenuous for the sake of the argument. A "Devils Advocate," if you will."
In a sense you are correct. I am challenging the assumption that the present way of doing things works. My ultimate concern is an end to genocide and ethnic cleansing. I am apolitical though a conscientious voter and I will tease people and taunt people because we need to be able to laugh at ourselves if we are ever to have peace. Gotta go for now, but you'll see, I do like to have provocative discussions. It's a break from very serious life issues with the people I serve.
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You still have to get someone electable to get people out to vote for your guy. All the conspiracy theories, all the hate Bush movies on the shelves at Blockbuster, Celebrities threatning to leave the country, That one channel that devoted election day to showing Michael Moore's movie over and over, all the conspiracy books about Republicans, Rathergate, still doesn't make your guy electable. That's why hate alone cannot win a presidency. 2004 was proof of that. The Democrats waged the most unprecedented hate campaign in modern times and Bush still won.
quote:Originally posted by Johnwayne: You still have to get someone electable to get people out to vote for your guy. All the conspiracy theories, all the hate Bush movies on the shelves at Blockbuster, Celebrities threatning to leave the country, That one channel that devoted election day to showing Michael Moore's movie over and over, all the conspiracy books about Republicans, Rathergate, still doesn't make your guy electable. That's why hate alone cannot win a presidency. 2004 was proof of that. The Democrats waged the most unprecedented hate campaign in modern times and Bush still won.
JW do yourself a favor and go rent "Farenhype 9/11" I dont know how the Repub. spin docs didnt get more light on this documentary
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The reason that the Repub spin docs didn't get more light on it is that it's an uninteresting film consisting of interviews with politicians, pundits, political consultants, and right-wing journalists, plus a couple of pissed off people who unknowingly ended up in Moore's film.
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“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing”-Karl Rove
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: "the other thing griffon is overlooking is that with/because of, that large group of immigrants? France has many intel collecting tools in place... France was on the opposition side of the iraq war because they KNEW for a fact there was no uranium deal... they control the uranium tradein northern africa..."
Not overlooking that at all, Glass. And they were opposed to invading Iraq for exactly the reason one of the earlier cited articles said: they were owed billions by Saddy and didn't want to give them up. Add to that the Oil-for-Food Francs and the promise of an oil field and we know why they didn't like the prospect of invasion. It cost them money. In the end they traded lives for profit. Many of the weapons the Russians took out to Syria primarily (also documented earlier) now find use against Israel. France deals in life and death, just ask Sudan, Chad, and other former colonies. There's that colonialism precursor
see? you are a GOP activist lying whenever confronted with the truth... you think oil-for-food amounted to a good reason to ignore a threat to world security?
thats STUPID.. its more rovism...
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: The reason that the Repub spin docs didn't get more light on it is that it's an uninteresting film consisting of interviews with politicians, pundits, political consultants, and right-wing journalists, plus a couple of pissed off people who unknowingly ended up in Moore's film.
LOL and what did Farenheit 9/11 consist of? This other doc. debunked Moores entire film.
Comon Gordo we know the real reason it got no play.
uhhhhh who is it that controls the media and hollywood......ohhhhhh thats right the DEMOCRATS!
P.S. Please dont come back at me with Fox news
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I saw both Fahrenheit 911 and Fahrenhype 911.
Moore's film was just as as politically slanted as its money-grabbing cousin, Fahrenhype 911.
From a pure entertainment standpoint, however, Moore's movie gets my vote. Two thumbs up!
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: The reason that the Repub spin docs didn't get more light on it is that it's an uninteresting film consisting of interviews with politicians, pundits, political consultants, and right-wing journalists, plus a couple of pissed off people who unknowingly ended up in Moore's film.
LOL and what did Farenheit 9/11 consist of? This other doc. debunked Moores entire film.
Comon Gordo we know the real reason it got no play.
uhhhhh who is it that controls the media and hollywood......ohhhhhh thats right the DEMOCRATS!
P.S. Please dont come back at me with Fox news
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Then you are not, by definition, apolitical. Another lie on the rimasco pile.
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: If that was directed at me Gordo I still have a little bit of the right resonating within...I will bash both parties alike
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Many of the weapons the Russians took out to Syria primarily (also documented earlier) now find use against Israel.
documneted my azz...you provided a bunch of third tier web sites for documentration.. and? if we are seeing them being used right now? they are not much more than firecrackers... terroist firecracker YES, but worthless for fighting a war...
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Which country would you rather live in: a country where the FAR LEFT got everything it wanted (free medical care, gay marriage, legal abortion and a real foreign policy, etc.), or one where the FAR RIGHT got everything it wanted (no privacy rights, no reproductive rights, no life-partner rights, reduced human rights, endless war, an official screw-the-poor policy, etc.)?
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Which country would you rather live in: a country where the FAR LEFT got everything it wants (free medical care, gay marriage, legal abortion, a real foreign policy, etc.), or one where the FAR RIGHT got everything it wants (no privacy rights, no reproductive rights, no life-partner rights, reduced human rights, endless war, an official screw-the-poor policy, etc.)?
NOTE: If you're in the top 2% income bracket, I already know your answer.
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Real foreign policy? The dems haven't had a real foreign policy since Truman. What was Clinton's foreign policy? He was President in the easiest foreign policy period since the mid '30's, with no war, no cold war and no terrorist attacks on American soil. I could have been Secretary of State during his two terms.
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