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"if you truly want to make a difference? you first have to become part of the problem... change only comes from within...."
In my limited experience I learned from a 23 year missionary who only left Iran with the Shah's fall. You have to do is be willing to enter in with a heart for service. A servant's heart opens doors. Willingness to be acted upon softens hearts. Consider Mohondas Mahatma Ghandi or Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. They were willing to absorb the violence of their surroundings, take it unto themselves, and through that they altered the course of history in their respective countries.
It's not hard to immerse ourselves in situations, but we must first be willing to submit to another culture's norms
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Oh sunny, if it's too good for the others, I must decline. I appreciate the offer, never said we didn't have to stop terrorism, but the ethnic group is not comprised of terrorists. Terrorists have emerged within the ethnic group.
In Ibillin, Lower Galilee, Israel, you can make the 3 mile walk to the bank in Shef'amir (or Shefaram depending on the culture pronouncing it) withdraw 1600 sheckles which at the time was $400 in plain view of several Arab men, walk back to Ibillin in the dark, get invited into homes along the way for coffee/espresso flavored with cardamom and sit with people in perfect safely. The notion that there is a bomb on every street corner and a gun in every house is part of the mytho-poetic historio-graphy we have been exposed to.
Now that is not to say there aren't dangerous people, when I was sitting with Israeli student friends at Tel Aviv, a bomb went off in a cafe down the street. I think it was February 27 or 28, 2005, but you can check that one out. But in both Jewish and Arab sections of Israel, we were safe. And actually, except for the fighting now, the West Bank and Gaza were safe for us. It was sad in Ramallah that we saw little children eating fried rat out of vats of oil.
Immersion is possible Glass, just not in the tourist-y areas. The whole trip including souveniers for everyone, cost me $1500 for three weeks. Arab and Israeli hospitality is genuine.
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Oh sunny, if it's too good for the others, I must decline. I appreciate the offer, never said we didn't have to stop terrorism, but the ethnic group is not comprised of terrorists. Terrorists have emerged within the ethnic group.
shove it...
we know that.... you are being condescending again...
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Now in universities I think it's good to offer comparative studies in religion to foster understanding of the diverse religions, but not to require.
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My problem with religious education in public schools, especially before about 14-15 but after as well, is in the case of young teens heir cognitive processes are in such flux. Besides I honestly think the family has that responsibility and it is not the school's responsibility. It was necessary when the Bible was the only book available around these parts but that ended before my dad's time. He started in a one room schoolhouse in the boonies but then got "city-fied" as grandpa put it in the late 50s when they went to Fredericksburg.
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Not just our research methods and not just him.
His brother (so claimed) issued an announcment that Griffon is so terribly much smarter than we ever might hope to be and had so much more education than it was possible for us dodos to ever even consider that we should simply fall to the grounfd and beg to kiss his feet.
And so it turns out that neither he nor his prother (so claimed) managed to tell us how full of himself he is.
But he showed us how much better educated he is and posted a resume so we could marvel at seminary degrees and feel jealous and be humbled and embarrassed.
We are also assured he has this 180 IQ we can admire.
Hate to let it out, but I know for a fact that IQ scores over about 140 - 140 are statistically impossible to measure, that IQ test do not correspond to intellect, but to conformity, and that there are persons that post here that also (if I am to accept that 180) have comparable scores on IQ test.
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: Bdgee, when you going to tell me if teachers should be able to indoctrinate students for or against politicians or parties?
not to put words in Bdgee's mouth, but my take is he is four-square against indoctrinating anybody...anytime. The point is to learn to think... to that end, yes, the mind is *only* a tool
to be used as necessary, not to be "ruled" by...
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Topic: Why does the Democratic party support genocide! By griffon
my old party just let those poor people die... we coulda kilt them badguys bfore they killed anyboy...
we have a time machine so we can view the future and judge who is bad and who is good... i don't care if they are the enmey of my enemy they need killin' by griffon
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"Hate to let it out, but I know for a fact that IQ scores over about 140 - 140 are statistically impossible to measure, that IQ test do not correspond to intellect, but to conformity, and that there are persons that post here that also (if I am to accept that 180) have comparable scores on IQ test."
I am sure other are.
Yeah that degree looks good on the wall, but it means nothing except the credibility to serve humanity.
"not to put words in Bdgee's mouth, but my take is he is four-square against indoctrinating anybody...anytime. The point is to learn to think... to that end, yes, the mind is *only* a tool"
then bdgee and I agree
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That is the normal way they do things, by issuing loadaded questions and acting hurt and surprised that they don't get an answer.
Then they declare that the only answer their question allows is right because they didn't get an answer. It's about a jr high schoolers logical error, but we have been assured they can't make errors......to highly educated, ya know....
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Whether the Democrats mean it or not, the policy they advance promotes genocide, ethnic cleansing, ethno-centrism, ethno-phobia, sexism, ageism and religio-phobia. Now I am not suggesting such thoughts guide EVERY Democrat, but that is the product of the policies they advocate will get.
At some point the colonial and cold war powers have to assume responsibility for the evil, brutal leaders they equipped for power. But that's enough for now. Let's have a good, fun chat about this absolutely serious issue
geez.... this is grad level stuff?? they sure have lowered standards since i was in..
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Agree, My A$$, you've been posting over and over your assurance thatyou already knew what I thought (on all topics, too) and it sure wasn't that.
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my old party just let those poor people die... "we coulda kilt them badguys bfore they killed anyboy..."
Glass, again, didn't say that did I? Never advocating killing. It's the commandment thing. You putting words in my mouth to upset me. Read UNESCO's plan, then let's talk about my plan for removing bad leaders. Read the Belgian General's report from Rwanda pleading for 5000 more men he believed would have prevented bloodshed, then we can talk about how to end the reign of brutal leaders.
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"It is in seminary schools. Dont forget, seminary schools have an agenda that amounts to indoctrination. Ain't the facts that are important and if they lead to a conclusion in contrast to what the agenda requires, change the facts!"
Then you have never been to seminary bdgee.
"geez.... this is grad level stuff?? they sure have lowered standards since i was in.."
Glass, it is funny to hear you talk that way. So elitist. We learned about Civil Rights from our teachers and how to apply the lessons of history. We learned that policies have consequences and some of those consequences are affected on human beings here and abroad. When we do not pass an aid package for instance, children in other countries die from lack of food and/or medicine. When a president says we will pull our forces out of one country and we're not going to act to prevent people dying in this other, the effect of that decision is genocide, at least in the case of Rwanda. The decisions of our leaders of the past affect us and our relations with others in the present.
You know these
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Aw, that's a cute picture to bait me, but we both know, I've said my piece. You just keep proving it, first with bdgees racial slur earlier and now with a pic. Read the articles I suggested then we can talk.
Better yet, if you need a breather, let's go back to the school issue. What should be taught in our schools?
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: Yes I know you still haven't gotten your mind around Saddam committing evil. 1.4 million dead and you haven't accepted Saddam had to go.
LOL....
keep telling me you know what i know that you know i know....
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Nope, that's studying history: the poorly conceived peace at Versailles, had economic consequences that influenced German politics and eventually led to Hitler's power. Nothing political there. It was my application to that early history lesson that helped me see the actions of our government have consequences. So you tell me, is that being indoctrinated into a political preference, or was that an extrapolation from free thinking?
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