"dumbest thing you've said yet...... you obviously don't know jack about the biz."
Right back at you.
I KNOW how the world works, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
So Joe Scientist walks into a corporate board room and says, I want to discover something. They ask him what it is he wants to discover and he says "I don't know, something". The board then says "Super, here's $2 million to get you started. Let us know when you need more."
Excellent post. Shows how you have no real arguement so all that is left is to attempt to make the other poster look dumb or in this case being a "fool" because you have nothing better than to call people names.
I noticed you didn't answer the question.
Guess what, you only made yourself look like a "fool".
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Gordon, he doesn't "see" it. Never bothers to look in a looking glass.
And the dodo has not even an inkling of how research is done, sponcered, or funded, not to mentioned carried out. I had a pure research fellowship and a completely funded lab on campus before I even got my first degree, with absolutely NO strings attached......just "learn something" was the charge. I know of a number of others that did also. They got there by hard work and dedication, not adherence to dogma.
He never actually responds to anything, just claims to have done it or claims a different subject was in question.
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I have an excellent idea of how research is done, sponsored and funded. I described it above.
I get a kick out of you claiming no adherence to dogma, that's all I ever see you do.
The subject in question isn't how research is done, it is whether man is responsible for global warming or not. Curious how this developed into a debate on research rather than that.
I'm still waiting on your evidence about the 90% of scientists. Still waiting on the list of 63 communist nations you claim exist as well but that's a different topic.
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strider, lots of people publish "pure" research every day....
most BASIC discoveries are not made in the private sector... development takes place in the private sector....
tenured professors all over the country have pure research budgets....
even the drug companies use other people's research all the time.... the mecahanisms of viagra weren't "discovered" by Pfizer....
i gave you a very good very basic description of how research and development are different and how they work.... you just ignored it...
i have little patience with people that speak about that which they know nothing of... we are in the "biz" here at this house...
like i said? read SCIENCE every day for a year.... (i've been reading it regularly for almost ten years now....) then tell me that most all the scientists are "doing it wrong"
it's amazing how you think you are qualified to judge these people
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I have little patience for people that ignore reality.
I gave you a very basic example of how research and development work and you just ignored it.
Right back at you.
I never said all research is being done wrong did I? So why should I tell you the scientists are doing it wrong?
What percentage of all research is "pure" research? You mentioned tenured professors. Tenured professors do indeed have pure research budgets. Where did those budgets come from? Some come from private grants, some come from the government, some come from corporate sponsors. As the majority of research is conducted with either governmental or corporate money, my little example is right on.
The budgets don't come out of thin air, they rarely come with no strings attached.
You want to know the legitimacy of the research, you have to look at the source, who is funding it. Much of the global warming research that has determined that man is the cause is coming from outside the United States. That these same scientists come to the conclusion that the United States is the priamry cause thus comes as no surprise.
So now you are judging my capability to judge scientists? You consider yourself qualified to do that from the few posts of mine you've read over the past few months. Interesting.
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I have an excellent idea of how research is done, sponsored and funded. I described it above.
I get a kick out of you claiming no adherence to dogma, that's all I ever see you do.
The subject in question isn't how research is done, it is whether man is responsible for global warming or not. Curious how this developed into a debate on research rather than that.
I'm still waiting on your evidence about the 90% of scientists. Still waiting on the list of 63 communist nations you claim exist as well but that's a different topic.
Oh, you always seem to say something, but it never has much, if any, relavance to the topic. Mostly it is just name calling and insults.
Sorry, you have absolutely no idea about researc...not how it is done, not how it is funded, and certainly not where and who does it.
You the prince of dogmatic exhortations and party line lying accuse me of dogma.......lol.....look up the word, doofus....
It was you that altered the topic to research with a childish religious description of "the way research is done". Of course, I recognized you had talked yourself into another corner on the subject of global warming and were changing the subject rather than admitting it.
Waiting on evidence of scientist saying global warming is occuring? Now, that isn't difficult and I have produced that evidence for you before. Read the paper, it's there.....watch the news on tv...it's there....you can't escape it if you aren't avoiding the truth. You still havent bother to produce one credible source that any qualified scientist claims otherwise. How long do you suppose that will take. Hey, and no more links that turn out to be in gossip mags and from non scientistr! That's cheating.
Oh, and on the subject of communism, I think it has been well established you have no idea what one is. Remember, doofus, most communist countries got there via popular movement of the population, i.e., by definition, democratically. Note also, that China, that describes itself as a communist country, is decidely capitalistic! Then there is Chile.
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"Oh, you always seem to say something, but it never has much, if any, relavance to the topic. Mostly it is just name calling and insults"
Lying and describing yourself at the same time. Good use of effort.
I altered the topic with a "childish religious description"? Where is religion mentioned? As for being childish, that would be.........YOU.
You provided a link to a story of how Portugal will become desert as a result of global warming. That is not evidence that man is causeing global warming. It's called an article, not research. And you try to say that I have no idea of what research is.
You haven't provided any credible source, why should I waste my time looking for one. I've provided elementary school science lessons. You know, where dinosaurs roamed the planet, there were no polar ice caps, global warming and cooling has been going on since the beginning of time. I don't need to provide sources for common knowledge. Yet now, because of a speculative article on the future of Portugal, MAN IS CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING. LOL.
On the subject of communism, you're lying once again. "most communist countries got there via popular movement of the population, i.e., by definition, democratically." That is an outright LIE. I challenge you to prove it.
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Dogma is belief or doctrine held by a religion or any kind of organization to be authoritative and not to be disputed or doubted.
That would be statements from bdgee such as:
"most communist countries got there via popular movement of the population, i.e., by definition, democratically."
"You may find a few fools and liars that classify themselves as capable and honorable scientist and who discount global warming, but, lets face it, those are the paid off lackeys of the far right and the wanna-be scientist of backward religious movements. Even were those considered credible authorities, they amount to maybe, at most, 1/2 % of those that are credible and qualified to comment"
We won't even get into the insults that specifically say bdgee is not "not to be disputed or doubted."
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They don't get the money to do what they want, unless the sponsor gives them the money with no strings attached.
If there are strings attached, they won't get the money if they aren't doing what the sponsor wants. Being tenured has nothing to do with it. The government isn't going to turn over reaserch money when they want to study the effects of obesity on the heart when the professor wants to study the effect of acid rain on earthworms. If that professor opts to take the heart research funding and use it to study the earthworms, guess what happens when renewal time of the funding comes up. No more money. If a contract of some sort was signed, possible punitive actions.
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You poor ignorant excuse for a human. They really ought to pass a law requiring anyone that wants to used the title "human" to pass an IQ test.
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stider, who do you think tells teh govt waht to study and fund?
the scientists do....
and they play head games too...but they don't make it up outa thin air....
say i want some money to do research? i "suggest" we could invent something new and novel if i were funded, the "punchline"? it's already been researched under the last proposal.... this goes on over an over.... research is not developmnet.... development requires research, but not vice versa..they are not the same thing...
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You can keep saying I've been given proof all you want, doesn't change the facts that you have provided none of it.
No, it's just that you can't explain it because you have nothing to support it, thus it isn't REAL, only in your mind.
Glassman,
I don't know it all, I don't know anywhere close to it all. I do know when people are trying to force an agenda, one that doesn't really have anything to support it. I also know when they aren't facing reality, that they like to minimize some things while emphasising others to support their view.
The facts remain, global warming and cooling has been motoring on quite well without mankinds help and there is no scientific proof that says that man is the primary cause of global warming. NONE, not 90%, not 1%. The primary reason is it cannot be proven, nor can it be separated from natural warming. It is a theory that man is the cause, not a very good one, and not well supported. To support it, you have to ignore millions of years of documented evidence to the contrary.
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Who stands to gain if global warming is dismissed and the environment is not protected?
Left unchecked, pollution and its byproducts will reach you and your loved ones no matter how wealthy you are, or how high the gate around your community.
-------------------- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Who stands to gain if global warming is dismissed. Everyone. Once they start working on adjusting to the changing climates rather than trying to stop something that can't be stopped, we will be better prepared.
Left unchecked, pollution and its byproducts will reach me and everyone else. That is why I'm concerned with the third world nations and other nations such as Russia which show no regard whatsoever for polluting the world.
As for the United States and other western nations, the ones targeted by Kyoto, we already do check our pollutions and byproducts. I guess you haven't noticed that our skys and rivers are much cleaner now than they were a short 30 years ago. We are also cleaning up the mess that the Soviets left behind in Eastern Europe although that will take much longer to accomplish.
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You remind me of a liberal that never solves problems, just likes to have them so they have something to complain about.
Global warming is happening, has been happening for thousands of years. Not a thing we can do to stop it.
So it is better to devote our time and energy to study the ramifications of global warming and start adjusting our civilization to the new "reality" of the situation. Crops are going to have to be adjusted, people may have to start moving. It's doubtfull despite all the dire "predictions" that anything is going to happen overnight.
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