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i said all along if their had been WMD? it was a valid war, but we have learned that many people in positions to know, DID know that he didn't have NUKES or a nuke program, and i do clearly recall Cheney saying he had them and was ready to use them......
and Bush was the one who told the inspectors to get outa the way right before shock and awe....
if you think we didn't inspect Iraq you are sadly mistaken...we looked plenty... sadam got offended LOL so would anybdy...
if Rove did dump classified data to silence the people who tried to speak up? then there is a very real crime.... the WMD DATA WAS A LIE..AND THAT is EXACTLY WHAT THE ROVE AFFAIR IS ABOUT
SO? IF YOU ASK ME? THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER...
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U.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.
# Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing." The inspectors do acknowledge, however, that they would not be here at all if not for the threat of U.S. military action.
So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word. The inspectors find themselves caught between the Iraqis, who are masters at the weapons-hiding shell game, and the United States, whose intelligence they've found to be circumstantial, outdated or just plain wrong.
Meanwhile, the U.S. and Britain are planning to present a new resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Monday in a bid for support to use force to disarm Iraq.
which resolution they couldn't win, not because nobody cares about terroism, but because lotsa people knew there was nothing there...
so? rather than losing the resolution vote? they just went in without one...
CBS is one of those "liberal lies" media centers tho, so nothing they say can be true... sheesh...
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"Why do you think George Bush is the worst President ever?"
Well, now, let's see. He really is dumb enough to think evolution is "just a theory". And being that dumb lets him believe a multitude of nonsense (thereafter, I admit, it's his demoral and egocentric personality that allows him to act on those stupid notions).
Theory, as use in the sciences, logic, mathematics, etc., is not that usage that one finds in a court room, where some hotshot prosecuter proports his "theory" of a crime to cover the fact that he has only vague circumstantial evidence against the defendant. Think about it, legally, i.e., in a legal proceding or document, fact is used not to mean an indisputable thing, but merely a thing some person claims to be true, even if that thing is logically impossible. That isn't the way a scientist or mathematician or logician uses "theory". To the scholar of the sciences, mathematics, and logic, "theory" is restricted for use only for those "systems" which have a structure and meets the requirements of always yielding the same results, no matter who, where, when or how thay are tested.
Just because I can find a usage for a term or phrase different from the one you intended, does not grant me the claim of your usage being unsubstantiated. As my old high old maid algebra teacher used to insist, just because you pronounce and spell "fast" the same in both cases, doesn't make it the same word when you speak of a "girl that is fast in the back seat parking" and " a cow that is fast to a stake".
Dubya is too stupid to have ever gotten through Old Lady Hunters classes, because he just can't understand that words have different usages. (Clearly, most of his followers are too.) That's why he does so many absolutely stupid things. That and he thinks we think as poorly as he does. All those stupid un-Amaeican things he does is why he's the worst ever!
And the LIES!!!!!
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Sadam Husein was reported to be gassing the Kurds and Iranian soldiers. The US blocked UN resolusions to stop. That will all come out if Sadam ever goes to trial. 1 Cabinet official in the Reagan administration at the time was working on a 300 million dollar oil contract with Sadam. 700 shipments of poisons were shiped to Sadam before during and after the UN tried to stop it. too bad, huh.
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apparently? we were facilitating both sides of the Iran-Iraq war..
we also set Saddam up to invade Kuwait...
and then we got the Saudi's to request our aid in putting him back in Baghdad...
On April 12th, 1990 Saddam met with 5 US senators. Robert Dole, Alan Simpson, Howard Metzenbaum, James McClure and Frank Murkowski; the US ambassador, soon to be famous for her own 'green light' to Saddam, was also present. The US senators criticised the American press in their attempts to propitiate Saddam, emphasising that there was a difference between the attitudes of the US government and those of journalists. Senator Dole commented:
Please allow me to say that only twelve hours earlier President Bush had assured me that he wants better relations, and that the US government wants better relations with Iraq... I assume that President Bush will oppose sanctions, and he might veto them, unless something provocative were to happen...
....On July 25 1990, a day after 2 Iraqi armoured divisions moved from their bases to take up positions on the Kuwaiti border, Saddam Hussein summoned US Ambassador April Glaspie to his office. Even at this late statge , with an obviosly deteriorating situation in the Gulf, Glaspie still made efforts to placate Saddam Hussein. She emphasised that President Bush had rejected the ideaof trade sanctions against Iraq, to which Saddam replied:
There is nothing left for us to buy from America except wheat. Every time we want to buy something, they say it is forbidden. I am afraid that one day you will say, "You are going to make gunpowder out of wheat."
Glapsie was quick to reassure to Saddam: "I have direct instruction from the President to seek better relations with Iraq." She then went to say her much-quoted comment that was perhaps the biggest 'green light' of all:
I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country.But we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait
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In short, the US ambassador to Baghdad was here telling Saddam Hussein that he had a legitimate case against Kuwait and that the matter was no business of the United States.
On July 31 (2 days before the invasion of Kuwait), the US Assistant Secretary of state John Kelly testified on Capitol Hill before the Middle East subcommittee of the House of Representatives. Aimed at clarifying the attitude of the Bush administration to the escalating crisis in the Gulf:
Representative Hamilton: Defense Secretary Richard Cheney has been quoted in the press as saying that the United States was commited to going to the defese of Kuwait if she were attacked. Is that exactly what was said? Could Mr Kelly clarify this? Assistant Secretary Kelly: .. We have no defense treaty relationship with any Gulf country... Hamilton: Do we have a commitment to our friends in the Gulf in the event that they are engaged in oil or territorial disputes with their neighbors? Kelly: As I said, Mr Chairman, we have no defense treaty relationships with any of the countries. We have historically avoided taking a position on border disputes or on internal OPEC deliberations... Hamilton: If Iraq, for example, charged across the border into Kuwait, for whatever reason, what would be our position with regard to the use of US forces?
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It started at night so you couldn'n see the Iraqi soldiers being blown to bits by the smartbombs. The same guys that were surendering to camera men with little white flags they made out of their underwear. "we took out 70% of the republican guard" Do you know what that means? Thats alot of kids with out dads. brother sisters whaterver. now an American cant even walk down the street evn in bagdad or they will be murdered instantly no questions asked. Thats not good.
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yeah, and we wonder why there's an insurgency?
they are "just evil" ????
Kuwait was doing some fancy oil drilling too...
the Kuwaiti's are?/were running their drills at an angle to get Iraqi oil....
in Texas? i think you would get shot for that... dontchoo????
it's the same names, and the same players...that's my real point Cheney was SecDef back then eh???
so you see we are now trying to clean up a social mess that's older than our country... there is no solution except for US to get off the oil and do it fast... i thought we were moving that way until it became clear that the admin had no intention of doing anything to promote that.... wonder why??
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Bush was not a successful CEO. Every one of his companies failed. What made anyone think he could be a successful Commander in Chief?
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I hate to correct you, 4Art, but dubya was 100% successful in each of his business endevors.
Accepting the baseball team, in every case he managed to "jig" company records and wangle stock prices so he could sell at inflated prices, just before the bankruptcy, leaving the investors sunk in the swamp with nothing while he banked a profit. Again accepting the baseball team (and there is a question or two there), no one of his companies ever produced anything but bills and debt.....no oil ever anywhere at all. More than once there were "investigations" of his businesses (and him) that mysteriously disappeared when some anonymous investor bought out the questionable stocks and took millions in losses and let dubya stroll off into the West Texas sunset un-arrested. It might be against the law to secretely give multi-millions of dollars to a political appointee or elected official, but you can secretely buy out the failed companies of his son so the son escapes the criminal punishments that pressing are due. (And any success for the Texas Rangers Baseball team? If you believe that you haven't kept up with the rankings in the American League.)
After that last "oil company" he ran was bougtht out for just enough for dubya to take 600K of the price and pocket it (the rest just disappeared as did the company and all the stock), he, with the contribution of some of daddy's politicaal backers put together a package to buy the Rangers. The actual sources of most of the money of that group was again "secret". Dubya's 600K from the polically favorable buyout was his investment in the Rangers. When that group sold the Rangers, Dubya pocketed $18+ million and bought the property near Crawford, the first residence he ever owned. So, you ask, wasn't that a profitable business vnture? Not when you understand that the "profits" all resulted directly from the City of Arlington raising sales taxes to pay for the The Ballpark in Arlington. The working people of Arlington and surrounding areas bought that "ranch" in Crawford with higher taxes!
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I hate to correct you, 4Art, but dubya was 100% successful in each of his business endevors.
Accepting the baseball team, in every case he managed to "jig" company records and wangle stock prices so he could sell at inflated prices, just before the bankruptcy, leaving the investors sunk in the swamp with nothing while he banked a profit. Again accepting the baseball team (and there is a question or two there), no one of his companies ever produced anything but bills and debt.....no oil ever anywhere at all. More than once there were "investigations" of his businesses (and him) that mysteriously disappeared when some anonymous investor bought out the questionable stocks and took millions in losses and let dubya stroll off into the West Texas sunset un-arrested. It might be against the law to secretely give multi-millions of dollars to a political appointee or elected official, but you can secretely buy out the failed companies of his son so the son escapes the criminal punishments that pressing are due. (And any success for the Texas Rangers Baseball team? If you believe that you haven't kept up with the rankings in the American League.)
After that last "oil company" he ran was bougtht out for just enough for dubya to take 600K of the price and pocket it (the rest just disappeared as did the company and all the stock), he, with the contribution of some of daddy's politicaal backers put together a package to buy the Rangers. The actual sources of most of the money of that group was again "secret". Dubya's 600K from the polically favorable buyout was his investment in the Rangers. When that group sold the Rangers, Dubya pocketed $18+ million and bought the property near Crawford, the first residence he ever owned. So, you ask, wasn't that a profitable business vnture? Not when you understand that the "profits" all resulted directly from the City of Arlington raising sales taxes to pay for the The Ballpark in Arlington. The working people of Arlington and surrounding areas bought that "ranch" in Crawford with higher taxes!
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hmmmmm... Originating in Columbus, Ohio, the Bush family has developed into one of the most accomplished political families of the 20th century. Other important individuals in the Bush family tree include the Spencer family that produced Diana, Princess of Wales, which makes George W. Bush a 17th cousin to Prince William of Wales. The great great great grandmother of President George W. Bush, Harriet Smith (wife of Obidiah Newcomb Bush's wife) and her descendants, are distant cousins of John Kerry.
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the sites i looked at weren't clear about Bush's parents genetic relationship,Barbara Bush is a Peirce, from Rye New York... the Bush family is all New Englander...
they really are carpetbaggers....Texas was just an opportunity for them...sad
i did find an interesting site that i will do a little more looking into when i have time...
claims the Bush family was involved in the Nazi steel effort... or the "stashing" of Nazi war criminals money after the war????
It was a matter of public record that the Bush holdings were seized by the US government after the Nazis overran Holland. In 1951, the Bush's reclaimed Union Bank from the US Alien Property Custodian, along with their "neutral" Dutch assets. I did not realize it, but I had stumbled across a very large piece of the missing Dutch connection. Bush's ownership of the Holland-American investment company was the missing link to Manning's earlier research in the Thyssen investigative files. In 1981, Manning had written: The Bush's Union Bank had apparently bought the same corporate stock that the Thyssens were selling as part of their Nazi money laundering,
never saw this stuff before, but i don't have time to DD it very well right now.. have fun checking it out, and let me know if any of you come up with corroborations etc...
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Molly Ivans if probably the definitive source about the inside workings in the Bush family.
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lies lies lies that is why he is the worst president ever and it looks like some of them may have cost a lot of people there lives. wake up america! this man is leading us down the garden path with an excuse for everything he does that half the country believes him no matter what he says and is still blaming clinton for most of geoges mistakes. the only reason we are not in economic disaster is the economy so far has been taking the hits but it is falling to its knee's slowly. 3 more years what a terrible thought
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4art i agree with you he is the most dangerous president i have seen in my life time. plain dumb,bad temper,and a feeling of superiority what a combo and he is running the most powerful contry in the world if it wasn't so serious it would interesting to study especialy to look at the people that elect him
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He is like most of these penny stock CEO's. He can convince the naive that he is a good guy and is doing whats best for you. But he really has no clue on how to run things and the people pay for it in the end. Then its too late for those that believed. By the time they figure him out it is way to late and everyone gets the shaft in the end. But there will still be those that think its not his fault.
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BORDER CONTROL AND CONTINUED SPENDING AND NOT CUTTING FEDERAL SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS........ THIS THINGS ARE KILLING OUR COUNTRY...........
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And not allowing public hangings, huh tuck? LOL
quote:Originally posted by tuck: BORDER CONTROL AND CONTINUED SPENDING AND NOT CUTTING FEDERAL SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS........ THIS THINGS ARE KILLING OUR COUNTRY...........
YEA I KNOW. I VOTED FOR BUSH, BUT HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED IN HIS ACTIONS. HECK, FOR THAT MATTER THE WHOLE GOP. EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE SITTING ON THEIR HANDS SCARED TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT NEED LOOKING AT. CAN'T HELP BUT SEE HILLARY SETTING BACK, NOT TAKING ANY LIME LIGHT, NOT BASHING BUSH OR THE WAR. JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME TO START OPENING UP TO THE MEDIA. BET SEE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT OUR BORDERS.......
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I agree with you there, tuck. I think both parties' representatives have largely been miserable failures for the past few years.
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Hillary hasn't shut up since she left the white house. I have been disapointed in every single candidate that I have ever voted for. 77% of the american people are moderate. fence sitters. why the hell don't we elect one of the independents that constantly run for office. no we punish ourselves constantly with either far left or far right. Does that mean we get what we deserve?
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Unless the elections are rigged, (and I'm not ruling that possibility out) or decided for us by the Electoral College, (which actually happened in 2000), then yes: we get the government we deserve. LOL
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Hillary hasn't shut up since she left the white house. I have been disapointed in every single candidate that I have ever voted for. 77% of the american people are moderate. fence sitters. why the hell don't we elect one of the independents that constantly run for office. no we punish ourselves constantly with either far left or far right. Does that mean we get what we deserve?
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Hillary hasn't shut up since she left the white house. I have been disapointed in every single candidate that I have ever voted for. 77% of the american people are moderate. fence sitters. why the hell don't we elect one of the independents that constantly run for office. no we punish ourselves constantly with either far left or far right. Does that mean we get what we deserve?
Part of the problem is the primaries. The base is the one the nominates its candidate. Moderates have a hard getting past the base unless they are really charismatic. If people could get it then we all could win. But they never will. Politics has always been a divider not a uniter no matter what Bush would like you to think.
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Politics has always been a divider not a uniter no matter what Bush would like you to think.
Yep that can be traced all the way back to Alexander Hamilton VS John Adams!
Since all politicians basically suck (nature of the job) I generally vote for the one that will least effect my personal life. And before you say it 4art I'm never right all the time. but I ride a bike and it should be my choice to wear or not wear a helmet. (government can make me carry catastrohy ins. but not if I have to wear one. They (and this is the big one) want my guns! Then how do I defend myself? Until we get some better choices things will not change. Clinton was as big a joke as Bush. I wanted Elizabeth would have made a great pres!
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osama said, "Muslims should kill Americans, including civilians, wherever they could. In interviews, he explained that American citizens were culpable for the sins of their government because they elected it "despite their knowledge of its crimes." He invoked the principle of reciprocity, saying Americans had killed Muslim women and children, so their women and children would die too."
Oppression breeds aggression.
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