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I have alot of reasons why I think George Bush is sorry, but I am afraid I have missed one. Let me know what you think of George Bush and why.
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he can't admit he ever made a mistake...

he coulda been over this anti-war thing a long time ago if he had come out and openly said there were no WMD and we had bad intel and explained why/how himself, instead of quietly publishing this report...

http://www.wmd.gov/report/report.html#chapter1

... instead he PRETENDED the WMD thing was a non-issue..it ain't

instead he just kept saying, i don't have anything to apologise for, and we did the right thing....

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Bush is a bad prez because he is not a leader. He does not have the insight and vision for good policy making.

He thinks fighting for the oil is in the interests of this country. I find it tragic...

I say conservation and alot of investment in alternative fuels, esp solar is the answer.

As americans, I know we will be innovative and the measley 100m for solar research in the energy bill may spike demand. Imagine what a 1B could do..

Here is a letter I wrote to o'reilly..


I think we area nation that is making foolish decisions . Mostly, due to an inept leadership. Why do special oil interests take priority over american interests?
Bush has pursued policies of greed for his cronies at the expense of the USA.
But, the policies started before Bush..he just made them worse.

The sad part is we can do better but maybe it is in the american psyche to not do anything until crises.
That is where leadership comes but the current leaders care more about greed and themselves then what is good for this country.

We have been buying oil from th Middle East knowing that that money is used for anti-americanism and terrorism.
We give them the money to harm us. That is so stuipid.
And, to top it all, we are fighting to control Iraqi oil only to fuel more hatred and terror for this country.

Why do we not have an energy policy that will help this country?
Some ideas..

1) Conserve
We can conserve so much. Also, we now have the infrastructure to telecommute. How much can that save if folks had more flexibility to telecommute a few days?
I bet we could cut 40% or more. We have the technology so why are we not changing how we work?


2) Other sources..forget oil OVER time. We need policies of conservation and weening us of oil.

I dont propose nuclear but SOLAR. We can invest more in solar and we can control our destiny vs destroying our kids' futures with the created dependency on mideast oil.
Solar is real but not enough done. In the energy bill, maybe 100 million for solar? Over 200 billion on iraq? How much is the toal energy bill that solar gets only 100 million?
I bet the 100 million STILL may spark development in the solar industry. Just think what 1 billion would do.?? I bet 5 billion could change the future of this country in a positive way beyond beleif.
.But, the policies we have is no conservation, iraq war, and pushing for a resource that is so destructive to our interests. It not only gave breed to terrorism but polluted our land where our kids get allergies, asthma, etc.

Why is greed more important then our kids and the future of this country? That is why, I say we need leaders in all realms of american society to make better decisions.

Let's start by conserving and making telecommute available and other conservation practises. Then, lets invest more then the measley 100 million in solar. Let us promote SOLAR at the national level where we can beat the greed of the oil interests...

The energy bill is a joke, it doesnt do much to solve our energy needs.
Why doesnt the leadership have the insight and vision to build a better future for our children? We have the ability but we dont have the intent or the leadeership.
I hope you promote this ....Think about it. I would love to speak to you and I bet you would agree with what I say...

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My vote for worst is Carter.
Maybe Ike for vietnam.
Clinton for doing nothing.
I won't go back any earlier.

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I'll take a president that "does nothing" over Bush and his clan any day.
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Bush is a bad prez because he is not a leader. He does not have the insight and vision for good policy making.


How do you mean leader? The military loves him and he leads them pretty well. I know that there are a lot of definitons for leader and leadership, so what is your definition?

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One definition for me is insight and vision.
Other definitions are...understanding and knowledge of what you are leading, intelligence and awareness, interpersonal skills, negotiation, compassion and integrity.. The list of attributes is probably more if I gave it more consideration.
However, my letter and opinion are based on the premise that Bush lacks vision...

In a geopolitical context, Bush needs to understand american interests as they relate to the world and lead so this country can be better off. He needs vision so that he can enable policies that will help this country.

I dont feel Bush has vision nor insight as far as energy policy, national security, etc...

He has put this country at risk as far as Iraq and how he has handling the energy issue.
He has done little.. I apoligize for saying nothing. We need BIG steps as far as an energy policy. The bulk of the money given to oil interests...

I think our energy interests and iraq..mid east are alsointerconnected.

In my eyes, a leader would see that war in iraq was futile from inception. He went to war for the wrong reasons...

If we are fighting in Iraq for the oil...I find that shortsighted..

Fighting for the oil is not the answwer. We create a state of war and escalation for limited resources.

Conservation and BIG investment in alternative fuel IS the answer for the future of this country.
Our success in this undertaking will free us from oil dependency and do so much.

Yyou know, its like a family starving and there is only a 1/2 of a pie. You can fight for the pie or you can be innovative and find methods to produce an infinite amount of pies..

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Our children deserve a bright future.

All of us have a hybrid of qualities. A leader would bring the best and get support.
Our country is divided...

I champion solar and alternative fuels as the answer along with conservation.

We cant do it abruptly but our future can be so much brighter if we take teh BIG steps in solar energy, etc..

Imagine the possiblilities..


I want 1B - 5 b in solar not the measley 100 million. I realize I throw numbers out but I am trying to illustrate a point. Energy innovation could be expnential with alot more investment.

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ohda, the military loves him?

if i was 20 again? i am th etype that would want to be where the action is too..

i'm not, i've grown older and a little wiser. the Iraq war is an adrenalin rush for the troops that want to be in the mix, but there is a lot of nightmares to be faced yet...

have you looked at the figures on the stress disorders??? this is just a small portion of the price to be paid in the FUTURE...

you say the troops love him and yet they haven't gotten to hardest part of this war yet, and that is when the time to leave comes...

one way or another? it's gonna be really hard to call a victory here...

removing sadam was the easy part....

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Fighting for oil is a limited mindset.

Imagine the possibilities with solar energy.


No dependency and a healthier environment.
Imagine a country in action to be a positive force..World opinion would follow...

Plus, the ramifications huge..e.g..
our national security revised, environmental damage lessened, jobs, etc....

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When you and most of your buddies are in the oil business, and you're the President of The United States, there's admittedly some incentive to shift focus away from alternative energy sources. [Big Grin] LOL

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Originally posted by thinkmoney:
Fighting for oil is a limited mindset.

Imagine the possibilities with solar energy.


No dependency and a healthier environment.
Imagine a country in action to be a positive force..World opinion would follow...

Plus, the ramifications huge..e.g..
our national security revised, environmental damage lessened, jobs, etc....


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The status quo is hard to change, but it can be done. Oil interests no longer serve american interests.


That is why, I champion conservation and alternative fuels as the answer and imo this mindset can have the leaders in all realms of american society make this happen.

I want my children to have a bright future...

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A leader needs courage, another important quality.
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a leader needs a brain that is educated
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i feel like im watching a bobble head
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One leadership principle I find very important is listening to your subordinates. There is no way that one man or woman is going to know everything about everything. So you go out and find an expert in certain feilds and you rely on that person or persons. Kind of like Bush's cabinet. I know the ultimate decision is his to make. But it is based off of the info he gets from his staff.

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quote:
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I'll take a president that "does nothing" over Bush and his clan any day.

Doing nothing leads to problems for the next pres. Bush's father not getting the job done when he was in town left the problem for clinton then bush junior. Clinton not taking out bin laden when he had the oppurtunity led years later to that problem. We don't know what problems Bush will leave behind. We know Clinton left behind a bin laden, Bush may create 10 of them, we dont know yet.
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Truman said "The Buck Stops Here." Bush supporters blame everyone BUT Bush. It's sad.
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Bush is leaving behind a bin laden so far tooooooo...


and hanging out with his cousins...
bin laden and sadam had nothing to do with each other....

why does everyone refuse to see that?

Iraq was a SECULAR govt.... sadam hated religious fanatics..

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make no mistake they all hung out with his cousins

correct glass, not yet maybe never.


bin laden sadam connection? you mean like best friend e-mails or hatred of america? I don't here a lot of the buddy buddy thing.

I'm not really hung up on the one guy, I want the whole area taken out.

Bush supporters don't blame bush, Bush haters only blame bush, your right it is sad.

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All this really disturbing...

I dont understand but from this perspective, c sheehan deserves answers because she may represent a voice that wants truth.

Initially, i thought she was a leftie but as this unravels, i think she is right to demand answers.

Why did we go to war?

For oil interests? at teh risk of USA?
That is so disturbing..

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i don't only blame Bush for the mid-east problems, i am mad at Bush for making a false case for war, and i am mad at him for not KNOWING in advance that any, and i do mean any type occupation of any mideastern nation would make matters worse by far...
if sadam had really had WMD??? then this war woulda been justifiable...

the list of lies is so long i can't believe it, and i still hear some of you guys repeating them...
didn't somebody just say Atta went to iraq to visit Saddam?

he never did... ther e were some erroneous reports that he met with ONE iraqi secutiry offical in europe somewhwre, but that they were later disproven, and even after they were disproven? the statements were being used to justify the war...

unreal...

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If I were pres, I woulda went to war long ago, why, broken ceasefire/ truce/ surrender.

when the u.s. or un says something it NEEDS to be backed up or they are both worthless. Sadam was never scared we would go after him neither was bin laden. Even though they were threatened and warned. Now they are talking sanctions on Iran and N.Korea, you think those countries care? No, because they will be allowed to do what they want. The u.n backs its word up rarely to never.

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Amen to THAT! [Cool]

quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
The status quo is hard to change, but it can be done. Oil interests no longer serve american interests.


That is why, I champion conservation and alternative fuels as the answer and imo this mindset can have the leaders in all realms of american society make this happen.

I want my children to have a bright future...


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sadam DID comply with UN sanctions it was proven by our own military after we invaded.....

every once in awhile? sadam made a feeble attempt to shoot down one of our jets...BFD... none of the attempts were much more than a joke.....

the UN is no more or less corrupt than our own government....

the Kurds tried to rebel after the gulf war? and we turned our backs on them for some reason?

cough,Turkey, cough, cough...

none of this is linear keith, that's why i keep talking about chess and checkers... there are a lot of players "in" on the game, and damned if Bush didn't tell the WHOLE world (short of Britain) to effoff.... that's another thing that pisses me off..we CANNOT stand alone... we didn't beat Russia in the cold war alone...China helped, and so did AFGHANISTAN and BIN LADEN....
Reagan got to stand on the soap box and conduct, but there was alot of other factors that helped make it so....

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so keith are you havin' fun with BCIT or what? [Cool]

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Bill Moyer, 73, wears a "Bulls**t Protector"
flap over his ear while President George W. Bush
addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
(AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac)

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OK OK, leyet's brang theyis bayack around to the topic...

another issue?? remeber those "secret energy" meetings the VeeP had???
the ones just before Enron blew up in our faces??? still wondering what they were cooking over there????

the "energy bill" we been waiting for years for finally got passed... what good is it????

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Posted March 19, 2002


"No, no," retorted Cheney during the 2000 election when ABC's Sam Donaldson asked him directly if his Halliburton firm, through subsidiaries, was actually doing business with Hussein's government. "I had a firm policy that I wouldn't do anything in Iraq -- even arrangements that were supposedly legal," protested the v.p.-to-be.

He lied. Indeed, just before election day 2000, the estimable Financial Times of London discovered that two Halliburton-owned subsidiaries sold more oil field technologies and equipment to Ol' Mr. Evil Saddam than any other U.S. corporation, pocketing some $24 million in sales. These deals helped Hussein restore his oil-production capabilities, which are used to finance the militaristic adventures that Cheney now labels "evil."

Technically, Cheney's sales to Saddam were legal, even though they were against official U.S. policy. The trick was that he ran the deals through Halliburton's foreign subsidiaries, thus appearing to be politically clean while raking in dirty money.

This is Jim Hightower saying... To learn more, check the little website that surfaced the Financial Times story: GWBush.com.


http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/12651/

so much for the "evil" UN oil-for-food scandal... who wasn't feeding at the trough????

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Jim Hightower! don't get better than that...straight-shooter from Way-Back

Halliburton: know a contractor who read the writing on the, uhhhh, wall...on just one little teensie deal...saw that everything was cost-plus...so he laid in $60k for his part of the deal...no questions were ever asked as in "How did you arrive at that estimate?"

So...he went down to the plant, w/o help, and did the job by himself--in three days!

$20k a day, almost pure profit

NOT THE END OF THE STORY

a few weeks later?

Helliburton decides to CLOSE THE PLANT! Having just spent several hundred thousand upgrading it...

My mom would've called their fiscal policy "wilder than a peach-orchard boar."

(cuz they "get drunk" on fermenting fruit)

let me ask one question: Who do you suppose actually paid the bill on those upgrades to a plant-about-to-be closed?

oink-oink

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glass dont' be silly he was supposed to prove he complied and he didn't. end of story.

BCIT I'm not in. not playing pennies right now with moving, bought CDXX today holdong ATEG, bottom plays that will pan out slowly. Got no time for the quickies. If I add correctly BCIT is at least a 20 bagger....good for you.

LOL and the oil for food scandal is now a farce becuase a foreign subsidiary of haliburton had legal dealings with IraQ? tell ya what wish I owned some haliburton, its been flying. almost time for a split.....

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he did comply. as proven by the president's own men..

what part of that don't you see?

he had too much pride to drop his drawers and get a short-arm inspection?

he stated that he didn't have any WMD and that was true..

killing his own people? not our problem IMO... if i thought this war was really altruistic? i wouldn't be posting this stuff...

fact? this war is making everything worse....from our national debt to our persaonl debt to international relations...
sadam in jail... worth all of this????? and it's looking more and more like it'll get worse before it gets better.....
still waiting to find out who in the white house dumped classified info on the media...
Rove obviously did....
there is no constitutional protection for that... and there shouldn't be....

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HAL was a no-brainer...
buy-n-hold was the obvious choice when we invaded, yawn


but when people start dying? then ya gotta ask yerself some hard questions dontcha?

oilforfood is not the only reason why sadam was willing to tell the UN to effoff...everybody was making money on it..including HAL.....

sadam wasn't involved with islamic fundamentalists..that's who bombed us... there are more bombs than ever now.... and the fundamentalists are gaining strength not being beaten, just look at the news...

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LOL again, the un asked hime to prove he complied he didn't. you only know the answers because we invaded.

If they ask Iran the samething and Iran isn't forthcoming I expect some sort of military way of stopping them same as N. Korea.

As far as the war goes, i had no problem going in, don't like the way it is being handled at all or has been handled since day 3.

I don't care about the Rove he said she said drama.

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