I have alot of reasons why I think George Bush is sorry, but I am afraid I have missed one. Let me know what you think of George Bush and why.
Posted by glassman on :
he can't admit he ever made a mistake...
he coulda been over this anti-war thing a long time ago if he had come out and openly said there were no WMD and we had bad intel and explained why/how himself, instead of quietly publishing this report...
... instead he PRETENDED the WMD thing was a non-issue..it ain't
instead he just kept saying, i don't have anything to apologise for, and we did the right thing....
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Bush is a bad prez because he is not a leader. He does not have the insight and vision for good policy making.
He thinks fighting for the oil is in the interests of this country. I find it tragic...
I say conservation and alot of investment in alternative fuels, esp solar is the answer.
As americans, I know we will be innovative and the measley 100m for solar research in the energy bill may spike demand. Imagine what a 1B could do..
Here is a letter I wrote to o'reilly..
I think we area nation that is making foolish decisions . Mostly, due to an inept leadership. Why do special oil interests take priority over american interests? Bush has pursued policies of greed for his cronies at the expense of the USA. But, the policies started before Bush..he just made them worse.
The sad part is we can do better but maybe it is in the american psyche to not do anything until crises. That is where leadership comes but the current leaders care more about greed and themselves then what is good for this country.
We have been buying oil from th Middle East knowing that that money is used for anti-americanism and terrorism. We give them the money to harm us. That is so stuipid. And, to top it all, we are fighting to control Iraqi oil only to fuel more hatred and terror for this country.
Why do we not have an energy policy that will help this country? Some ideas..
1) Conserve We can conserve so much. Also, we now have the infrastructure to telecommute. How much can that save if folks had more flexibility to telecommute a few days? I bet we could cut 40% or more. We have the technology so why are we not changing how we work?
2) Other sources..forget oil OVER time. We need policies of conservation and weening us of oil.
I dont propose nuclear but SOLAR. We can invest more in solar and we can control our destiny vs destroying our kids' futures with the created dependency on mideast oil. Solar is real but not enough done. In the energy bill, maybe 100 million for solar? Over 200 billion on iraq? How much is the toal energy bill that solar gets only 100 million? I bet the 100 million STILL may spark development in the solar industry. Just think what 1 billion would do.?? I bet 5 billion could change the future of this country in a positive way beyond beleif. .But, the policies we have is no conservation, iraq war, and pushing for a resource that is so destructive to our interests. It not only gave breed to terrorism but polluted our land where our kids get allergies, asthma, etc.
Why is greed more important then our kids and the future of this country? That is why, I say we need leaders in all realms of american society to make better decisions.
Let's start by conserving and making telecommute available and other conservation practises. Then, lets invest more then the measley 100 million in solar. Let us promote SOLAR at the national level where we can beat the greed of the oil interests...
The energy bill is a joke, it doesnt do much to solve our energy needs. Why doesnt the leadership have the insight and vision to build a better future for our children? We have the ability but we dont have the intent or the leadeership. I hope you promote this ....Think about it. I would love to speak to you and I bet you would agree with what I say...
Posted by keithsan on :
My vote for worst is Carter. Maybe Ike for vietnam. Clinton for doing nothing. I won't go back any earlier.
Posted by 4Art on :
I'll take a president that "does nothing" over Bush and his clan any day.
Posted by ohdagagain on :
thinkmoney Member
Member Rated: posted August 26, 2005 10:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bush is a bad prez because he is not a leader. He does not have the insight and vision for good policy making.
How do you mean leader? The military loves him and he leads them pretty well. I know that there are a lot of definitons for leader and leadership, so what is your definition?
Posted by thinkmoney on :
One definition for me is insight and vision. Other definitions are...understanding and knowledge of what you are leading, intelligence and awareness, interpersonal skills, negotiation, compassion and integrity.. The list of attributes is probably more if I gave it more consideration. However, my letter and opinion are based on the premise that Bush lacks vision...
In a geopolitical context, Bush needs to understand american interests as they relate to the world and lead so this country can be better off. He needs vision so that he can enable policies that will help this country.
I dont feel Bush has vision nor insight as far as energy policy, national security, etc...
He has put this country at risk as far as Iraq and how he has handling the energy issue. He has done little.. I apoligize for saying nothing. We need BIG steps as far as an energy policy. The bulk of the money given to oil interests...
I think our energy interests and iraq..mid east are alsointerconnected.
In my eyes, a leader would see that war in iraq was futile from inception. He went to war for the wrong reasons...
If we are fighting in Iraq for the oil...I find that shortsighted..
Fighting for the oil is not the answwer. We create a state of war and escalation for limited resources.
Conservation and BIG investment in alternative fuel IS the answer for the future of this country. Our success in this undertaking will free us from oil dependency and do so much.
Yyou know, its like a family starving and there is only a 1/2 of a pie. You can fight for the pie or you can be innovative and find methods to produce an infinite amount of pies..
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Our children deserve a bright future.
All of us have a hybrid of qualities. A leader would bring the best and get support. Our country is divided...
I champion solar and alternative fuels as the answer along with conservation.
We cant do it abruptly but our future can be so much brighter if we take teh BIG steps in solar energy, etc..
Imagine the possiblilities..
I want 1B - 5 b in solar not the measley 100 million. I realize I throw numbers out but I am trying to illustrate a point. Energy innovation could be expnential with alot more investment.
Posted by glassman on :
ohda, the military loves him?
if i was 20 again? i am th etype that would want to be where the action is too..
i'm not, i've grown older and a little wiser. the Iraq war is an adrenalin rush for the troops that want to be in the mix, but there is a lot of nightmares to be faced yet...
have you looked at the figures on the stress disorders??? this is just a small portion of the price to be paid in the FUTURE...
you say the troops love him and yet they haven't gotten to hardest part of this war yet, and that is when the time to leave comes...
one way or another? it's gonna be really hard to call a victory here...
removing sadam was the easy part....
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Fighting for oil is a limited mindset.
Imagine the possibilities with solar energy.
No dependency and a healthier environment. Imagine a country in action to be a positive force..World opinion would follow...
Plus, the ramifications huge..e.g.. our national security revised, environmental damage lessened, jobs, etc....
Posted by 4Art on :
When you and most of your buddies are in the oil business, and you're the President of The United States, there's admittedly some incentive to shift focus away from alternative energy sources. LOL
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Fighting for oil is a limited mindset.
Imagine the possibilities with solar energy.
No dependency and a healthier environment. Imagine a country in action to be a positive force..World opinion would follow...
Plus, the ramifications huge..e.g.. our national security revised, environmental damage lessened, jobs, etc....
Posted by thinkmoney on :
The status quo is hard to change, but it can be done. Oil interests no longer serve american interests.
That is why, I champion conservation and alternative fuels as the answer and imo this mindset can have the leaders in all realms of american society make this happen.
I want my children to have a bright future...
Posted by thinkmoney on :
A leader needs courage, another important quality.
Posted by kywee on :
a leader needs a brain that is educated
Posted by kywee on :
i feel like im watching a bobble head
Posted by ohdagagain on :
One leadership principle I find very important is listening to your subordinates. There is no way that one man or woman is going to know everything about everything. So you go out and find an expert in certain feilds and you rely on that person or persons. Kind of like Bush's cabinet. I know the ultimate decision is his to make. But it is based off of the info he gets from his staff.
Posted by keithsan on :
quote:Originally posted by 4Art: I'll take a president that "does nothing" over Bush and his clan any day.
Doing nothing leads to problems for the next pres. Bush's father not getting the job done when he was in town left the problem for clinton then bush junior. Clinton not taking out bin laden when he had the oppurtunity led years later to that problem. We don't know what problems Bush will leave behind. We know Clinton left behind a bin laden, Bush may create 10 of them, we dont know yet.
Posted by 4Art on :
Truman said "The Buck Stops Here." Bush supporters blame everyone BUT Bush. It's sad.
Posted by glassman on :
Bush is leaving behind a bin laden so far tooooooo...
and hanging out with his cousins... bin laden and sadam had nothing to do with each other....
why does everyone refuse to see that?
Iraq was a SECULAR govt.... sadam hated religious fanatics..
Posted by keithsan on :
make no mistake they all hung out with his cousins
correct glass, not yet maybe never.
bin laden sadam connection? you mean like best friend e-mails or hatred of america? I don't here a lot of the buddy buddy thing.
I'm not really hung up on the one guy, I want the whole area taken out.
Bush supporters don't blame bush, Bush haters only blame bush, your right it is sad.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
All this really disturbing...
I dont understand but from this perspective, c sheehan deserves answers because she may represent a voice that wants truth.
Initially, i thought she was a leftie but as this unravels, i think she is right to demand answers.
Why did we go to war?
For oil interests? at teh risk of USA? That is so disturbing..
Posted by glassman on :
i don't only blame Bush for the mid-east problems, i am mad at Bush for making a false case for war, and i am mad at him for not KNOWING in advance that any, and i do mean any type occupation of any mideastern nation would make matters worse by far... if sadam had really had WMD??? then this war woulda been justifiable...
the list of lies is so long i can't believe it, and i still hear some of you guys repeating them... didn't somebody just say Atta went to iraq to visit Saddam?
he never did... ther e were some erroneous reports that he met with ONE iraqi secutiry offical in europe somewhwre, but that they were later disproven, and even after they were disproven? the statements were being used to justify the war...
unreal...
Posted by keithsan on :
If I were pres, I woulda went to war long ago, why, broken ceasefire/ truce/ surrender.
when the u.s. or un says something it NEEDS to be backed up or they are both worthless. Sadam was never scared we would go after him neither was bin laden. Even though they were threatened and warned. Now they are talking sanctions on Iran and N.Korea, you think those countries care? No, because they will be allowed to do what they want. The u.n backs its word up rarely to never.
Posted by 4Art on :
Amen to THAT!
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: The status quo is hard to change, but it can be done. Oil interests no longer serve american interests.
That is why, I champion conservation and alternative fuels as the answer and imo this mindset can have the leaders in all realms of american society make this happen.
I want my children to have a bright future...
Posted by 4Art on :
Posted by glassman on :
sadam DID comply with UN sanctions it was proven by our own military after we invaded.....
every once in awhile? sadam made a feeble attempt to shoot down one of our jets...BFD... none of the attempts were much more than a joke.....
the UN is no more or less corrupt than our own government....
the Kurds tried to rebel after the gulf war? and we turned our backs on them for some reason?
cough,Turkey, cough, cough...
none of this is linear keith, that's why i keep talking about chess and checkers... there are a lot of players "in" on the game, and damned if Bush didn't tell the WHOLE world (short of Britain) to effoff.... that's another thing that pisses me off..we CANNOT stand alone... we didn't beat Russia in the cold war alone...China helped, and so did AFGHANISTAN and BIN LADEN.... Reagan got to stand on the soap box and conduct, but there was alot of other factors that helped make it so....
Posted by glassman on :
so keith are you havin' fun with BCIT or what? Posted by 4Art on :
Bill Moyer, 73, wears a "Bulls**t Protector" flap over his ear while President George W. Bush addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars. (AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac) Posted by glassman on :
OK OK, leyet's brang theyis bayack around to the topic...
another issue?? remeber those "secret energy" meetings the VeeP had??? the ones just before Enron blew up in our faces??? still wondering what they were cooking over there????
the "energy bill" we been waiting for years for finally got passed... what good is it????
Posted by glassman on :
Posted March 19, 2002
"No, no," retorted Cheney during the 2000 election when ABC's Sam Donaldson asked him directly if his Halliburton firm, through subsidiaries, was actually doing business with Hussein's government. "I had a firm policy that I wouldn't do anything in Iraq -- even arrangements that were supposedly legal," protested the v.p.-to-be.
He lied. Indeed, just before election day 2000, the estimable Financial Times of London discovered that two Halliburton-owned subsidiaries sold more oil field technologies and equipment to Ol' Mr. Evil Saddam than any other U.S. corporation, pocketing some $24 million in sales. These deals helped Hussein restore his oil-production capabilities, which are used to finance the militaristic adventures that Cheney now labels "evil."
Technically, Cheney's sales to Saddam were legal, even though they were against official U.S. policy. The trick was that he ran the deals through Halliburton's foreign subsidiaries, thus appearing to be politically clean while raking in dirty money.
This is Jim Hightower saying... To learn more, check the little website that surfaced the Financial Times story: GWBush.com.
so much for the "evil" UN oil-for-food scandal... who wasn't feeding at the trough????
Posted by BuyTex on :
Jim Hightower! don't get better than that...straight-shooter from Way-Back
Halliburton: know a contractor who read the writing on the, uhhhh, wall...on just one little teensie deal...saw that everything was cost-plus...so he laid in $60k for his part of the deal...no questions were ever asked as in "How did you arrive at that estimate?"
So...he went down to the plant, w/o help, and did the job by himself--in three days!
$20k a day, almost pure profit
NOT THE END OF THE STORY
a few weeks later?
Helliburton decides to CLOSE THE PLANT! Having just spent several hundred thousand upgrading it...
My mom would've called their fiscal policy "wilder than a peach-orchard boar."
(cuz they "get drunk" on fermenting fruit)
let me ask one question: Who do you suppose actually paid the bill on those upgrades to a plant-about-to-be closed?
oink-oink
Posted by keithsan on :
glass dont' be silly he was supposed to prove he complied and he didn't. end of story.
BCIT I'm not in. not playing pennies right now with moving, bought CDXX today holdong ATEG, bottom plays that will pan out slowly. Got no time for the quickies. If I add correctly BCIT is at least a 20 bagger....good for you.
LOL and the oil for food scandal is now a farce becuase a foreign subsidiary of haliburton had legal dealings with IraQ? tell ya what wish I owned some haliburton, its been flying. almost time for a split.....
Posted by glassman on :
he did comply. as proven by the president's own men..
what part of that don't you see?
he had too much pride to drop his drawers and get a short-arm inspection?
he stated that he didn't have any WMD and that was true..
killing his own people? not our problem IMO... if i thought this war was really altruistic? i wouldn't be posting this stuff...
fact? this war is making everything worse....from our national debt to our persaonl debt to international relations... sadam in jail... worth all of this????? and it's looking more and more like it'll get worse before it gets better..... still waiting to find out who in the white house dumped classified info on the media... Rove obviously did.... there is no constitutional protection for that... and there shouldn't be....
Posted by glassman on :
HAL was a no-brainer... buy-n-hold was the obvious choice when we invaded, yawn
but when people start dying? then ya gotta ask yerself some hard questions dontcha?
oilforfood is not the only reason why sadam was willing to tell the UN to effoff...everybody was making money on it..including HAL.....
sadam wasn't involved with islamic fundamentalists..that's who bombed us... there are more bombs than ever now.... and the fundamentalists are gaining strength not being beaten, just look at the news...
Posted by keithsan on :
LOL again, the un asked hime to prove he complied he didn't. you only know the answers because we invaded.
If they ask Iran the samething and Iran isn't forthcoming I expect some sort of military way of stopping them same as N. Korea.
As far as the war goes, i had no problem going in, don't like the way it is being handled at all or has been handled since day 3.
I don't care about the Rove he said she said drama.
Posted by glassman on :
i said all along if their had been WMD? it was a valid war, but we have learned that many people in positions to know, DID know that he didn't have NUKES or a nuke program, and i do clearly recall Cheney saying he had them and was ready to use them......
and Bush was the one who told the inspectors to get outa the way right before shock and awe....
if you think we didn't inspect Iraq you are sadly mistaken...we looked plenty... sadam got offended LOL so would anybdy...
if Rove did dump classified data to silence the people who tried to speak up? then there is a very real crime.... the WMD DATA WAS A LIE..AND THAT is EXACTLY WHAT THE ROVE AFFAIR IS ABOUT
SO? IF YOU ASK ME? THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER...
Posted by glassman on :
Inspectors Call U.S. Tips 'Garbage'
Feb. 20, 2003
U.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.
# Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing." The inspectors do acknowledge, however, that they would not be here at all if not for the threat of U.S. military action.
So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word. The inspectors find themselves caught between the Iraqis, who are masters at the weapons-hiding shell game, and the United States, whose intelligence they've found to be circumstantial, outdated or just plain wrong.
Meanwhile, the U.S. and Britain are planning to present a new resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Monday in a bid for support to use force to disarm Iraq.
which resolution they couldn't win, not because nobody cares about terroism, but because lotsa people knew there was nothing there...
so? rather than losing the resolution vote? they just went in without one...
CBS is one of those "liberal lies" media centers tho, so nothing they say can be true... sheesh...
Posted by bdgee on :
"Why do you think George Bush is the worst President ever?"
Well, now, let's see. He really is dumb enough to think evolution is "just a theory". And being that dumb lets him believe a multitude of nonsense (thereafter, I admit, it's his demoral and egocentric personality that allows him to act on those stupid notions).
Theory, as use in the sciences, logic, mathematics, etc., is not that usage that one finds in a court room, where some hotshot prosecuter proports his "theory" of a crime to cover the fact that he has only vague circumstantial evidence against the defendant. Think about it, legally, i.e., in a legal proceding or document, fact is used not to mean an indisputable thing, but merely a thing some person claims to be true, even if that thing is logically impossible. That isn't the way a scientist or mathematician or logician uses "theory". To the scholar of the sciences, mathematics, and logic, "theory" is restricted for use only for those "systems" which have a structure and meets the requirements of always yielding the same results, no matter who, where, when or how thay are tested.
Just because I can find a usage for a term or phrase different from the one you intended, does not grant me the claim of your usage being unsubstantiated. As my old high old maid algebra teacher used to insist, just because you pronounce and spell "fast" the same in both cases, doesn't make it the same word when you speak of a "girl that is fast in the back seat parking" and " a cow that is fast to a stake".
Dubya is too stupid to have ever gotten through Old Lady Hunters classes, because he just can't understand that words have different usages. (Clearly, most of his followers are too.) That's why he does so many absolutely stupid things. That and he thinks we think as poorly as he does. All those stupid un-Amaeican things he does is why he's the worst ever!
And the LIES!!!!!
Posted by shlik on :
The UN is weak.
Sadam Husein was reported to be gassing the Kurds and Iranian soldiers. The US blocked UN resolusions to stop. That will all come out if Sadam ever goes to trial. 1 Cabinet official in the Reagan administration at the time was working on a 300 million dollar oil contract with Sadam. 700 shipments of poisons were shiped to Sadam before during and after the UN tried to stop it. too bad, huh.
Posted by 4Art on :
Thousands of Iraqis want Saddam back. CLICK HERE FOR STORY Posted by glassman on :
apparently? we were facilitating both sides of the Iran-Iraq war..
we also set Saddam up to invade Kuwait...
and then we got the Saudi's to request our aid in putting him back in Baghdad...
On April 12th, 1990 Saddam met with 5 US senators. Robert Dole, Alan Simpson, Howard Metzenbaum, James McClure and Frank Murkowski; the US ambassador, soon to be famous for her own 'green light' to Saddam, was also present. The US senators criticised the American press in their attempts to propitiate Saddam, emphasising that there was a difference between the attitudes of the US government and those of journalists. Senator Dole commented:
Please allow me to say that only twelve hours earlier President Bush had assured me that he wants better relations, and that the US government wants better relations with Iraq... I assume that President Bush will oppose sanctions, and he might veto them, unless something provocative were to happen...
....On July 25 1990, a day after 2 Iraqi armoured divisions moved from their bases to take up positions on the Kuwaiti border, Saddam Hussein summoned US Ambassador April Glaspie to his office. Even at this late statge , with an obviosly deteriorating situation in the Gulf, Glaspie still made efforts to placate Saddam Hussein. She emphasised that President Bush had rejected the ideaof trade sanctions against Iraq, to which Saddam replied:
There is nothing left for us to buy from America except wheat. Every time we want to buy something, they say it is forbidden. I am afraid that one day you will say, "You are going to make gunpowder out of wheat."
Glapsie was quick to reassure to Saddam: "I have direct instruction from the President to seek better relations with Iraq." She then went to say her much-quoted comment that was perhaps the biggest 'green light' of all:
I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country.But we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait
you see? Kuwait WAS historically an Iraqi state, not an independant state...Abe Lincoln remind you of anything????
Posted by glassman on :
In short, the US ambassador to Baghdad was here telling Saddam Hussein that he had a legitimate case against Kuwait and that the matter was no business of the United States.
On July 31 (2 days before the invasion of Kuwait), the US Assistant Secretary of state John Kelly testified on Capitol Hill before the Middle East subcommittee of the House of Representatives. Aimed at clarifying the attitude of the Bush administration to the escalating crisis in the Gulf:
Representative Hamilton: Defense Secretary Richard Cheney has been quoted in the press as saying that the United States was commited to going to the defese of Kuwait if she were attacked. Is that exactly what was said? Could Mr Kelly clarify this? Assistant Secretary Kelly: .. We have no defense treaty relationship with any Gulf country... Hamilton: Do we have a commitment to our friends in the Gulf in the event that they are engaged in oil or territorial disputes with their neighbors? Kelly: As I said, Mr Chairman, we have no defense treaty relationships with any of the countries. We have historically avoided taking a position on border disputes or on internal OPEC deliberations... Hamilton: If Iraq, for example, charged across the border into Kuwait, for whatever reason, what would be our position with regard to the use of US forces? Posted by shlik on :
It started at night so you couldn'n see the Iraqi soldiers being blown to bits by the smartbombs. The same guys that were surendering to camera men with little white flags they made out of their underwear. "we took out 70% of the republican guard" Do you know what that means? Thats alot of kids with out dads. brother sisters whaterver. now an American cant even walk down the street evn in bagdad or they will be murdered instantly no questions asked. Thats not good.
Posted by glassman on :
yeah, and we wonder why there's an insurgency?
they are "just evil" ????
Kuwait was doing some fancy oil drilling too...
the Kuwaiti's are?/were running their drills at an angle to get Iraqi oil....
in Texas? i think you would get shot for that... dontchoo????
it's the same names, and the same players...that's my real point Cheney was SecDef back then eh???
so you see we are now trying to clean up a social mess that's older than our country... there is no solution except for US to get off the oil and do it fast... i thought we were moving that way until it became clear that the admin had no intention of doing anything to promote that.... wonder why??
Posted by shlik on :
yep
Posted by 4Art on :
Bush was not a successful CEO. Every one of his companies failed. What made anyone think he could be a successful Commander in Chief?
Posted by bdgee on :
I hate to correct you, 4Art, but dubya was 100% successful in each of his business endevors.
Accepting the baseball team, in every case he managed to "jig" company records and wangle stock prices so he could sell at inflated prices, just before the bankruptcy, leaving the investors sunk in the swamp with nothing while he banked a profit. Again accepting the baseball team (and there is a question or two there), no one of his companies ever produced anything but bills and debt.....no oil ever anywhere at all. More than once there were "investigations" of his businesses (and him) that mysteriously disappeared when some anonymous investor bought out the questionable stocks and took millions in losses and let dubya stroll off into the West Texas sunset un-arrested. It might be against the law to secretely give multi-millions of dollars to a political appointee or elected official, but you can secretely buy out the failed companies of his son so the son escapes the criminal punishments that pressing are due. (And any success for the Texas Rangers Baseball team? If you believe that you haven't kept up with the rankings in the American League.)
After that last "oil company" he ran was bougtht out for just enough for dubya to take 600K of the price and pocket it (the rest just disappeared as did the company and all the stock), he, with the contribution of some of daddy's politicaal backers put together a package to buy the Rangers. The actual sources of most of the money of that group was again "secret". Dubya's 600K from the polically favorable buyout was his investment in the Rangers. When that group sold the Rangers, Dubya pocketed $18+ million and bought the property near Crawford, the first residence he ever owned. So, you ask, wasn't that a profitable business vnture? Not when you understand that the "profits" all resulted directly from the City of Arlington raising sales taxes to pay for the The Ballpark in Arlington. The working people of Arlington and surrounding areas bought that "ranch" in Crawford with higher taxes!
Posted by glassman on :
the Arlington ball-park was also "acquired" thru emminent domain litigation... HMMMMMMM....
Posted by 4Art on :
Granted! LOL
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I hate to correct you, 4Art, but dubya was 100% successful in each of his business endevors.
Accepting the baseball team, in every case he managed to "jig" company records and wangle stock prices so he could sell at inflated prices, just before the bankruptcy, leaving the investors sunk in the swamp with nothing while he banked a profit. Again accepting the baseball team (and there is a question or two there), no one of his companies ever produced anything but bills and debt.....no oil ever anywhere at all. More than once there were "investigations" of his businesses (and him) that mysteriously disappeared when some anonymous investor bought out the questionable stocks and took millions in losses and let dubya stroll off into the West Texas sunset un-arrested. It might be against the law to secretely give multi-millions of dollars to a political appointee or elected official, but you can secretely buy out the failed companies of his son so the son escapes the criminal punishments that pressing are due. (And any success for the Texas Rangers Baseball team? If you believe that you haven't kept up with the rankings in the American League.)
After that last "oil company" he ran was bougtht out for just enough for dubya to take 600K of the price and pocket it (the rest just disappeared as did the company and all the stock), he, with the contribution of some of daddy's politicaal backers put together a package to buy the Rangers. The actual sources of most of the money of that group was again "secret". Dubya's 600K from the polically favorable buyout was his investment in the Rangers. When that group sold the Rangers, Dubya pocketed $18+ million and bought the property near Crawford, the first residence he ever owned. So, you ask, wasn't that a profitable business vnture? Not when you understand that the "profits" all resulted directly from the City of Arlington raising sales taxes to pay for the The Ballpark in Arlington. The working people of Arlington and surrounding areas bought that "ranch" in Crawford with higher taxes!
Posted by bdgee on :
Yep. Glass..., and they are eminant domaining the hell out of the place to force people out for a Cowboy statium now!
Yup, right again, a tax hike to pay Jerry Jones for building himself a stadium at City expense.
I just wonder how many more tax lowereing republicans we can accomidate?
Posted by bond006 on :
because he is an inbred george his father and mother were 1st cousins
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by bond006: because he is an inbred george his father and mother were 1st cousins
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Well, we sure dodged a bullet there... They could of been brother and sister.
Posted by glassman on :
hmmmmm... Originating in Columbus, Ohio, the Bush family has developed into one of the most accomplished political families of the 20th century. Other important individuals in the Bush family tree include the Spencer family that produced Diana, Princess of Wales, which makes George W. Bush a 17th cousin to Prince William of Wales. The great great great grandmother of President George W. Bush, Harriet Smith (wife of Obidiah Newcomb Bush's wife) and her descendants, are distant cousins of John Kerry. Posted by bond006 on :
i still believe he is an inbred
Posted by glassman on :
the sites i looked at weren't clear about Bush's parents genetic relationship,Barbara Bush is a Peirce, from Rye New York... the Bush family is all New Englander...
they really are carpetbaggers....Texas was just an opportunity for them...sad
i did find an interesting site that i will do a little more looking into when i have time...
claims the Bush family was involved in the Nazi steel effort... or the "stashing" of Nazi war criminals money after the war????
It was a matter of public record that the Bush holdings were seized by the US government after the Nazis overran Holland. In 1951, the Bush's reclaimed Union Bank from the US Alien Property Custodian, along with their "neutral" Dutch assets. I did not realize it, but I had stumbled across a very large piece of the missing Dutch connection. Bush's ownership of the Holland-American investment company was the missing link to Manning's earlier research in the Thyssen investigative files. In 1981, Manning had written: The Bush's Union Bank had apparently bought the same corporate stock that the Thyssens were selling as part of their Nazi money laundering,
never saw this stuff before, but i don't have time to DD it very well right now.. have fun checking it out, and let me know if any of you come up with corroborations etc...
Posted by bdgee on :
Glass...,
Molly Ivans if probably the definitive source about the inside workings in the Bush family.
Posted by 4Art on :
Bush is still proving he's the most dangerous president ever.
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Posted by bond006 on :
lies lies lies that is why he is the worst president ever and it looks like some of them may have cost a lot of people there lives. wake up america! this man is leading us down the garden path with an excuse for everything he does that half the country believes him no matter what he says and is still blaming clinton for most of geoges mistakes. the only reason we are not in economic disaster is the economy so far has been taking the hits but it is falling to its knee's slowly. 3 more years what a terrible thought
Posted by bond006 on :
4art i agree with you he is the most dangerous president i have seen in my life time. plain dumb,bad temper,and a feeling of superiority what a combo and he is running the most powerful contry in the world if it wasn't so serious it would interesting to study especialy to look at the people that elect him
Posted by Ric on :
He is like most of these penny stock CEO's. He can convince the naive that he is a good guy and is doing whats best for you. But he really has no clue on how to run things and the people pay for it in the end. Then its too late for those that believed. By the time they figure him out it is way to late and everyone gets the shaft in the end. But there will still be those that think its not his fault.
Posted by tuck on :
BORDER CONTROL AND CONTINUED SPENDING AND NOT CUTTING FEDERAL SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS........ THIS THINGS ARE KILLING OUR COUNTRY...........
Posted by 4Art on :
And not allowing public hangings, huh tuck? LOL
quote:Originally posted by tuck: BORDER CONTROL AND CONTINUED SPENDING AND NOT CUTTING FEDERAL SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS........ THIS THINGS ARE KILLING OUR COUNTRY...........
Posted by tuck on :
4ART:
YEA I KNOW. I VOTED FOR BUSH, BUT HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED IN HIS ACTIONS. HECK, FOR THAT MATTER THE WHOLE GOP. EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE SITTING ON THEIR HANDS SCARED TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT NEED LOOKING AT. CAN'T HELP BUT SEE HILLARY SETTING BACK, NOT TAKING ANY LIME LIGHT, NOT BASHING BUSH OR THE WAR. JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME TO START OPENING UP TO THE MEDIA. BET SEE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT OUR BORDERS.......
Posted by 4Art on :
I agree with you there, tuck. I think both parties' representatives have largely been miserable failures for the past few years.
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
Hillary hasn't shut up since she left the white house. I have been disapointed in every single candidate that I have ever voted for. 77% of the american people are moderate. fence sitters. why the hell don't we elect one of the independents that constantly run for office. no we punish ourselves constantly with either far left or far right. Does that mean we get what we deserve?
Posted by 4Art on :
Unless the elections are rigged, (and I'm not ruling that possibility out) or decided for us by the Electoral College, (which actually happened in 2000), then yes: we get the government we deserve. LOL
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Hillary hasn't shut up since she left the white house. I have been disapointed in every single candidate that I have ever voted for. 77% of the american people are moderate. fence sitters. why the hell don't we elect one of the independents that constantly run for office. no we punish ourselves constantly with either far left or far right. Does that mean we get what we deserve?
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Hillary hasn't shut up since she left the white house. I have been disapointed in every single candidate that I have ever voted for. 77% of the american people are moderate. fence sitters. why the hell don't we elect one of the independents that constantly run for office. no we punish ourselves constantly with either far left or far right. Does that mean we get what we deserve?
Part of the problem is the primaries. The base is the one the nominates its candidate. Moderates have a hard getting past the base unless they are really charismatic. If people could get it then we all could win. But they never will. Politics has always been a divider not a uniter no matter what Bush would like you to think.
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
Politics has always been a divider not a uniter no matter what Bush would like you to think.
Yep that can be traced all the way back to Alexander Hamilton VS John Adams!
Since all politicians basically suck (nature of the job) I generally vote for the one that will least effect my personal life. And before you say it 4art I'm never right all the time. but I ride a bike and it should be my choice to wear or not wear a helmet. (government can make me carry catastrohy ins. but not if I have to wear one. They (and this is the big one) want my guns! Then how do I defend myself? Until we get some better choices things will not change. Clinton was as big a joke as Bush. I wanted Elizabeth would have made a great pres!
Posted by turbokid on :
a person is smart but people are dumb.
osama said, "Muslims should kill Americans, including civilians, wherever they could. In interviews, he explained that American citizens were culpable for the sins of their government because they elected it "despite their knowledge of its crimes." He invoked the principle of reciprocity, saying Americans had killed Muslim women and children, so their women and children would die too."
Oppression breeds aggression.
Posted by LEO on :
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Politics has always been a divider not a uniter no matter what Bush would like you to think.
Yep that can be traced all the way back to Alexander Hamilton VS John Adams!
Since all politicians basically suck (nature of the job) I generally vote for the one that will least effect my personal life. And before you say it 4art I'm never right all the time. but I ride a bike and it should be my choice to wear or not wear a helmet. (government can make me carry catastrohy ins. but not if I have to wear one. They (and this is the big one) want my guns! Then how do I defend myself? Until we get some better choices things will not change. Clinton was as big a joke as Bush. I wanted Elizabeth would have made a great pres!
When you say Elizabeth do you mean Dole?? I voted for her in '96!!
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
yep. didn't even notice I left off the Dole.
Posted by bond006 on :
look at how he responded to new orleans and look how he responded in iraq a lot better than to americans. look at our gas prices because of a national disaster. nobody mentions that he has been subsidising iraq gas so thoes poor people won't have to suffer at the pump. we put americans in prison for mistreating suspected terrorist prisoners but at least they had water and a bowel to relive themselves where is the government and citizen outrage over the the treatment of of our own people? if you want to know what he thinks of us look at how the events of new orleans are being responded to. heads should be rolling and bush aught to be man enough to resign and say i never liked americans any way.
Posted by bond006 on :
i also have heard and i have not verified it yet that bush has preposed to the new government of iraq that they have some sort of national health plan for there citizens how are they going to pay for that one answer we will isn't that a real sharp stick in the eye to americans
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
If Fema responded in a timely manner in 04 in Port Charlotte after Charlie hit, they were hidin out somewhere. Cause I was there and THEY WEREN'T!
Posted by 4Art on :
Yeah. Justify that one! Anyone?
quote:Originally posted by bond006: i also have heard and i have not verified it yet that bush has preposed to the new government of iraq that they have some sort of national health plan for there citizens how are they going to pay for that one answer we will isn't that a real sharp stick in the eye to americans
Posted by glassman on :
the Iraqi national health plan is written into their constitution...
they are also going to to basically be a "welfare state" (see Saudi Arabia and Kuwait)based on oil revenues, which of course, our tax dollars are building the infrastructure for...
the whole thing is one big barrel of rotten pork....
and you don't have to guess who's the master of ceremonies ayat theyis "pig pikkin".....
i recently posted a link to a translation of the most recent version of the new constitution, some things are obviously lost in translation, but my take on what i read, which is most of it? they are going to be nothing like a democracy as we know it...
it's just more political male equine efluvia.....
they also wrote in a clause thaqt says no law shall be written in contradiction to the Koran, which means that (based on the actions of other Moslem nations) women will NOT enjoy the same rights that they have here in th eUS
Posted by bond006 on :
well isn't that wonderfull glassman i just love your mind for the thought process and your fantastic use of its knowldge you are clearly a person that keeps up with a lot of things and current events i myself being an old soldier tackle things in a different manner but i am changing and learning a lot from people like you who post. thank you
i like your answer to the health plan and the info about iraqs new constitution.i do believe what you said about it and all i have to say this is a sad day for america and so many miss lead people it makes my heart bleed for my people and this land
Posted by Patrick on :
Bush is not the worst. We have had worse LBJ, Carter for example.
Bush, though lacking in leadership now, probably will rank somewhere in the middle.
Posted by BuyTex on :
LBJ?
you can't be serious...lol
at *least as bad* about nest-feathering, but he woulda chewed up the Bushanalia before his morning constitutional...
seriously, we've had few who understood the whole polly process better...from back fence to TV camera in the front yard.
Posted by bdgee on :
We've had few who took the job so seriously or with such love of country, Tex. Johnson was never afraid of anything but damaging the United States. He was of a whole generation of political giants that loved this country more than they did their party.
Posted by bond006 on :
now you guys just think if we got rid of bush how hard it would be for conservatives to find another alcohalic that says god talks to him every day and to make him a president that only happens once in a life time.
Posted by 4Art on :
Actually, I think you could find another one pretty easily. Just put a help-wanted sign on a few laundromat bulletin boards.
quote:Originally posted by bond006: now you guys just think if we got rid of bush how hard it would be for conservatives to find another alcohalic that says god talks to him every day and to make him a president that only happens once in a life time.
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Posted by bdgee on :
His nephew was in Austin emulating dubya receently, clearly training seriously for his turn one day.
Posted by 4Art on :
I sincerely hope Dubya is the last of the Bush Klan to be ordained King.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: His nephew was in Austin emulating dubya receently, clearly training seriously for his turn one day.
Posted by oohgee4 on :
GO AHEAD FOLKS BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE NEWS. IF YOU WANT THE REAL NEWS OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE ASK THE SOLDIERS THAT ARE RETURNING AND HOW MANY OF THEM WOULD GO BACK.
Posted by 4Art on :
Do you think that the war is going well? The majority of Iraqis don't.
quote:Originally posted by oohgee4: GO AHEAD FOLKS BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE NEWS. IF YOU WANT THE REAL NEWS OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE ASK THE SOLDIERS THAT ARE RETURNING AND HOW MANY OF THEM WOULD GO BACK.
Posted by 4Art on :
Fewer Americans Trust Bush on Iraq
(Angus Reid Global Scan) – Many adults in the United States are losing confidence in their president’s aptitude to make decisions connected with the coalition effort, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 63 per cent of respondents are uneasy about George W. Bush’s approach to the war in Iraq.
The survey shows a 17-point drop in confidence on the American president since a survey conducted days before the war began.
The coalition effort against Saddam Hussein’s regime was launched in March 2003. At least 1,897 American soldiers have died during the military operation, and more than 14,300 troops have been injured.
On Sept. 16, Bush discussed the current state of affairs in Iraq, saying, "Clearly, Iraq is a struggling democracy. But one thing is for certain: the people have made their mind about what they want. They want democracy: 8.5 million Iraqis went to the polls, see, and they’ve got a constitution that’s been written. It wasn’t written under bayonet or under the barrel of a gun—it was written by people from different factions of the society that have come together."
Last month, Iraqi negotiators finalized the country’s new draft constitution. The 15 members of a Sunni Arab panel did not endorse the proposed body of law, which must be ratified in a nationwide referendum on Oct. 15.
Yesterday, Iraq’s National Assembly approved the constitution. Deputy speaker Hussain al-Shahristani said the document "is being submitted to the United Nations (UN) and will be presented to the Iraqi people soon. (...) There is no way there will be any changes now."
War for no reason. Heck if GORE had only been elected, 911 would probably not have happened ,The war in Iraq wouldnt exist and the economy would be flourishing like it did under Clinton.
Posted by LEO on :
Don't forget, Gore invented the internet!!
Posted by 4Art on :
quote:Originally posted by LEO: Don't forget, Gore invented the internet!!
Posted by 4Art on :
No one knows for sure of course, but my gut tells me that you are correct.
quote:Originally posted by MakingIT: War for no reason. Heck if GORE had only been elected, 911 would probably not have happened ,The war in Iraq wouldnt exist and the economy would be flourishing like it did under Clinton.
Posted by glassman on :
Iraq Coalition Troops Non-US Forces in Iraq - 16 August 2005 As of July 1, 2005, there were 26 non-U.S. military forces participating in the coalition and contributing to the ongoing stability operations throughout Iraq. These countries were: Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Mongolia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, United Kingdom, and Ukraine.
Countries which had troops in or supported operations in Iraq at one point but have pulled out since: Nicaragua (Feb. 2004); Spain (late-Apr. 2004); Dominican Republic (early-May 2004); Honduras (late-May 2004); Philippines (~Jul. 19, 2004); Thailand (late-Aug. 2004); New Zealand (late Sep. 2004); Tonga (mid-Dec. 2004) Hungary (end Dec. 2004); Portugal (mid-Feb. 2005); Moldova (Feb. 2005);
Countries planning to withdraw from Iraq: Poland (starting Jan.05 and completed by end.05(?)); Bulgaria (end of 2005, depending on circumstances); Ukraine (entire contingent, in stages until ~ Oct. 2005)
Countries which have reduced or are planning to reduce their troop commitment: Ukraine (-200 during Fall04 rotation); Moldova (reduced contingent to 12 around mid-2004); Norway (reduced from ~150 to 10 late-Jun.04, early Jul.04); Bulgaria (-50, Dec.04); Poland (-700, Feb.05); Italy (-300 expeted in Sept. 05(decrease appearently began in mid-Aug. 05)); Netherlands (reduced from ~1,345 to 4; ~Mar. 2005)
# Japan's opposition party, the Democratic Party of Japan, announced on August 16, that if elected to power as a result of the schedule September 11, 2005 elections, it would pull out japan's entire contingent from Iraq at the term of its mandate set to expire in December. # On August 13, 2005, the Italian daily La Stampa, reported that Italy had begun its pullout from Iraq earlier than expected. Affected were ~ 130 sailors along with a squadron of CH-47 helicopters and accompanying ~100 army personnel. It was reported that half of these troops would not be replaced.
You can't help but misquote. Learned that trait from Fat Rush the Doper, didn't you? Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. He said he had "invented" terminology such as "information super highway" and other catchy phrasiology in order to popularize the internet in Congress and get funding for it.
Posted by MakingIT on :
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Posted by tuck on :
Penny Stocks, politics, religion, racing, fishing, This place is indeed, great. Made my first profits off this site.. But... I must agree with some here. The conservative party seems to be in limbo.. Not really making a stand for what you think would really be important to them... How about stop the illegals .... Would ya... Keep criminals in jail... What an idea....
Posted by Chadsly on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: You can't help but misquote. Learned that trait from Fat Rush the Doper, didn't you? Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. He said he had "invented" terminology such as "information super highway" and other catchy phrasiology in order to popularize the internet in Congress and get funding for it.
Here's the comment. He obviously didn't mean it the way it sounded.
"GORE: Well, I will be offering - I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.
But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
During a quarter century of public service, including most of it long before I came into my current job, I have worked to try to improve the quality of life in our country and in our world. And what I've seen during that experience is an emerging future that's very exciting, about which I'm very optimistic, and toward which I want to lead."
Posted by bdgee on :
And the question asked him was what had he to do with the term "information super highway". And you completely ignored the part where they reviewed the initial funding with which the internet was developed and pointed out Gore was the lead Congressman in getting that funding and keeping it againse opposition from the republicans.
Way to go with those misquotes!
Posted by timberman on :
Thanks, timberman. I was watching that show and saw it as it happened and knew that Gore never claimed to have invented the internet, though I didn't have any record of where to get details. There was more to the interview than just that related in the link you provided, which included discussion of the term "information super highway" which Gore definately did take credit for bringing before the Congress.
It is possible that I am wrong, but my memory also tells nme I remember Limbaugh being the first to present the lie that Gore claimed to have "invented the internet". I heard that live too. Generally, my memory may loose the details of such events as the interview of Gore or Limbaugh misrepresenting it later, but almost never the actual meat of them of what actually happened.
I find it repulsive, at best, to have fools that copy that intentionally insulting palaver and pass it on as Gospel, doing so indignantly, as if it were unquestionable. To do so, even if you yourself want to believe it is true, is dishonesty in the extreme. For those of you eager to demean anything not straight from the Party line, have the common courtesy to not claim things you are too lazy to confirm.
Posted by LEO on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: You can't help but misquote. Learned that trait from Fat Rush the Doper, didn't you? Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. He said he had "invented" terminology such as "information super highway" and other catchy phrasiology in order to popularize the internet in Congress and get funding for it.
I hope you aren't refering to my post about Gore inventing the internet.
Posted by bdgee on :
NO, I I certainly didn't think of you in writing that, but if the shoe fits...
Posted by LEO on :
I just wanted to make sure, I know sarcasm doesn't always relay onto the thread. I was about to get pretty pissed if you were calling me a Rush Dumnuts protoge.
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Posted by glassman on :
this is funny...
the concept of the internet was born a long time ago more or less as a mail box system for the CIA... the modern internet was re-born by the miltiary after the Grenada invasion to facilitate communication between the different branches of the military.....
i listened to rush a few times back in the early nineties when he was just being a "shock-jock"... he stunk then too... the "Greaseman" was much better, on DC101 in, yes, Wash DC..
the dude is funny (he hates being called dude) http://www.greaseman.org/ a lot of Greasey's work was inspired by Robin Williams or so it seemed to me, he took it in different directions, but there were some distinct similarities...
i think that at first rush was just trying to be funny but eventually rush started to believe his own BS ......
Posted by bdgee on :
Nah.....he believed it all along. Some time take a look through his work history.......he was repeatedly "let go" for constantly preaching extremist politics at work.
Posted by glassman on :
take a look at some of rushies big brothers political writings.... it's amazing tripe
September 15, 2005 Kicking God Further Out the Door
U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton's decision that a California "school district's policy and practice of teacher-led recitation of the Pledge violates the Establishment Clause," provides a timely illustration of judicial activism at work.
Just to be clear, I'm not here accusing Judge Karlton himself of activism. He determined that he is required by the previous holding of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in the Newdow case to enjoin the district from the practice
judicial activism? LOL, following the law is more like it.....
maybe funny isn't the right word, but i thought rush was trying to be sarcastic at first...
G Gordon Liddy was another of the "shock jocks"... he actually made sense once in awhile, and had some truly funny stories... but he also spoke "from the bully pulpit"
Posted by OO7 on :
So just What is the solution to get out of this whirl wind downward spiral that Bush has US in? get out of Iraq? leave the Muslim extremist alone, and let ISREAL fend for themselves? Pay more attention to what’s going on in America instead of the world? Just what is the answer, intriguing minds want to know.
Posted by bdgee on :
I hate to be correcting Glass...., but the beginings and basic workings of the internet existed long before the CIA and military ever heard of the idea. I can't recall the exact labs, but the techniques were put together by some science types working at universities and Government labs in the west (mostly California) in order that they might share data almost instantly. The use of the system for what we now call email followed soon therafter and was organized by a single one of them. All of that was in place well before the CIA or the military ever knew of it.
It's strange what becomes accepted as fact. I've watched several highly regarded TV documentaries that make the blunt claim that the Apple computer was the first successful "desk top". Sorry, but there were a numberof brands of "desk top" computers in common use before Steve Jobs was even in short pants. When the first Apple computer came out, I remember setting it beside a Commidore and two other pre-existing computers (one was a notebook Osburn, I think) that ran the CPM operating system for the programmers in the office to compare. They thought it was a neat but unnecessarilly expensive doodad.
Posted by glassman on :
i'd tell you how i know that CIA factoid bdgee, but you would be getting visits from black helicopters..and i don't think you'd like spending the rest of yer days in cheyenne mountain
as far as my reference to the grenanda issue? i was refering specifically to the current IP address system, which is what makes the system we have today work so well....DARPA claims that credit... nobody in particular invented it.... just like nobody invented nuclear power plants... Posted by BuyTex on :
Black helos?
Tell him, tell him...
I'll go to Bdgee's house and yell at them about logic; on the way to Cheyenne, they can explain to me how Comanche Peak got up and running despite my exposes on the welding of the pipe supports... Posted by glassman on :
look there's one now!!!! run..... Posted by bdgee on :
No black ones here. But that big blue and white one the police use to let the drug users know they are on the way was circling the neighborhood yesterday until they cleard him out of the path of the departing planes from Carswell. Those damned planes were almost a constant roar until about 4 AM today. Wonder where they sent them to escape Rita? I looked for the noisy blue and white gas eater to be back today, but it never showed.
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
I just love it when everybody's right:
At the beginning The Internet began to evolve when packet-switching networks came into operation in the 1960s. When transmitted, data is broken up into small packets, sent to its destination and then reassembled. In this way a single signal can be sent to multiple users. Packets can be compressed for speed and encrypted for security.
ARPANET moves it forward Early packet-switching networks were set up in Europe. In 1968, a similar system was developed in the USA which went into operation at the US Defence Department's Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) in 1969. ARPA, also called ARPANET, used Network Control Protocol (NCP) as its transmission protocol from 1969 to 1982, when NCP was replaced with the now widespread TCP-IP (Transmission Control Protocol - Internet Protocol). With the technology in place, the question was what to do with it! A number of interconnected US military computers formed the first sizable Internet for defence use. E-mail developed through ARPANET as did the bulletin-board system, Usenet in the 1970s/80s. During this period all major universities in the USA were connected to the network. This was found to be the ideal method of sharing experimental and educational data. 1973 saw the first intercontinental connection when the University College of London, England, joined the Internet.
USENET spurs it on USENET contributed enormously to the Internet’s rapid expansion and is considered to have begun in 1979. Its spirit of information sharing and discussion was the hallmark of its system and was reflected in the Internet as a whole. When personal computers were introduced in the late 1970s, a huge new and ever-expanding computer population was introduced to the Internet. E-mails was increasingly used, network discussions took place and in the 1980s, communities formed chat rooms.
The World Wide Web widens its horizons 1991 saw the introduction of what we now call the World Wide Web, the brainchild of Englishman Tim Berners-Lee. He saw the need for a standard linked information system which could be accessed by all the various types of computers in use. In 1993 the first properly developed web-browser, Mosaic, took the Internet by storm. Developed at the National Centre for Supercomputer Applications (NCSA), it gave birth to a huge boom in Web usage.
What is the Internet?
Today, the Internet is an enormous network of millions of computers allowing constant communication throughout the world. It includes: the World Wide Web, electronic mail (e-mail), File transfer Protocol (FTP), Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and USENET (news service)
The World Wide Web is the part of the Internet that most users see and use and which has made it so popular. The web continues to grow at an absolutely incredible rate. Technology has improved to such an extent that the web is now considered to be indispensable for education, business and entertainment. There are billions of pages on the web and thousands more are added every hour.
E-Mail Anyone can apply for an e-mail address and send and receive messages from their computer. The main benefit is the almost instantaneous delivery of messages. An e-mail to the other side of the world takes a few seconds. You can also sign up to automatically receive newsletters and other information, delivered directly to your computer.
File Transfer Protocol Web pages are transferred between computers using the HTTP protocol, with other types of files sent using FTP. Users can share files, such as music and videos between themselves and the rest of the world by uploading them to a server and then allowing others to download them to their own computers.
Internet Relay Chat IRC is a service allowing you to connect to your chosen channel and talk to others with the same interests. By downloading an appropriate programme, you can start chatting right away.
USENET USENET (Unix User Network) is a system of bulletin boards whereby messages and points of view can be posted to be read and replied to. Similar to IRC, all sorts of topics are discussed and a wide range of groups take
Posted by glassman on :
thats'a nice summary... to bring us back full circle to the myth about Gore saying he invented the internet... i voted AGAINST Gore cuz my impression was that he was a pompous A$$ and at that time? Bush seemed harmless (LOL)....
anybody who would claim to invent the the internet would have to be really pompous, so at the time? i thought maybe he did claim too much credit for his part, but the real joke is that Rush was In My Opinion, trying to be funny, and instead people took him seriously.... it's kinda scary how i hear things as sarcastic and others take them for fact.... i know i'm often guilty of being sarcastic and get heard as serious, but limbaugh has made millions on it..... and at some point? he started taking his own sarcasm seriously too....
just my opinion....
mikey moore is just as sarcastic, but if you watch fahrenheit 911? it's pretty clear he is using a condescending and sarcastic tone thruout.... it came off as offensive and "holier than thou"... very few of the things he presented as fact were fiction, but many of his "suggestions" were pure fiction..... the movie was definitely not written in a way that left you feeling like you could believe what he was saying...
[ September 23, 2005, 09:28: Message edited by: glassman ]
Posted by tuck on :
Glassman - I am beginning to think the whole govco, conservatitives, liberals, lobbist, etc., are all pompous A$$.... Does anyone in Washington really care about the middle class anymore. You know, the ones who work, buy houses, send their kids to college, pay TAXES, buy things, the ones who keep the circle going.......
Posted by glassman on :
i don't feel much love from them....
seriously? IMO? the system has has been bought and paid for...
i don't see a painless solution....
there are solutions but:
this guy put it pretty well a long time ago....
Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death
Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! Posted by glassman on :
by the way?
Britain? then? was King George III
hmmm....
Posted by 4Art on :
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Tell him what he's won, Bob!
quote:Originally posted by tuck: Glassman - I am beginning to think the whole govco, conservatitives, liberals, lobbist, etc., are all pompous A$$.... Does anyone in Washington really care about the middle class anymore. You know, the ones who work, buy houses, send their kids to college, pay TAXES, buy things, the ones who keep the circle going.......
Posted by glassman on :
Bush says live on FOX, " Rest assured i will not interfere with emergency responders while i am here for photo ops...now please, let me get back to interfering with the...." Posted by 4Art on :
Yep, he's drinking again.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Bush says live on FOX, " Rest assured i will not interfere with emergency responders while i am here for photo ops...now please, let me get back to interfering with the...."
Posted by 4Art on :
I started a thread for all the good things that Bush has done for the country.
It sank like a stone. LOL
Posted by BuyTex on :
Ok, wisenheimer--Top Ten Things Bush Has Done:
10) Ranch-Style Beans from Fort Worth (whooooo hoooo!) now stocked in Crawford grocery--before? dried pintos only, or fresh from truck-garden in season...doh--you gotta shell those...
9) Halliburton investors not burned nearly as badly as Enron's
8) Would you really want to miss the Cindy Sheehan show?
7) Poppy seeds are no longer just for "your father's buns."
6) Prices at the pump finally drawing US and European drivers together--which foreshadows a Mini-Cooper SUV: how rad is that?
5) Flourishing retail "grey market" bodes well as precedence for penny-traders stuck-like-glue in stocks that may upgrade to pinks some day...
4) CIA gets a sigh of relief: "Wheew, dodged a bullet, there."
3) The much-overlooked teachers of various Chinese dialects can now look smugly over their glasses at all the ensconced teachers of Spanish
2) The French are *still* phucked, hahhaha, lol
*and, no 1*
1) Nepotism *finally* (sigh of relief)...PROVEN SUPERIOR to CRONYISM...
so, go ahead 4Art--hire your brother-in-law in good conscience...
And remember, there's *always* a silver lining.
Posted by BuyTex on :
DOH--Forgot this one:
0) Overlooked, unheard of agency now foremost in everybody's minds: Go FEMA!
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