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The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, whose attempt to block implementation of an Arizona initiative prohibiting illegal aliens from receiving public benefits was denied by a federal judge, will appeal the decision this week to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. The initiative, known as Proposition 200, passed Nov. 2 with 56 percent of the vote. It requires state and local government employees to verify the immigration status of those seeking public benefits and to report to federal immigration authorities any applicant who is in violation of U.S. immigration law. It also subjects the employees to criminal charges if they fail to report illegals. On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge David C. Bury in Tucson lifted a temporary restraining order that he had imposed in November and denied a MALDEF request for an injunction, clearing the way for Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, to allow enforcement of the initiative. MALDEF lawyer Hector Villagra said the organization has been reviewing the judge's decision and thought there were grounds for appeal, although he declined to elaborate. MALDEF had argued in court papers that unless the initiative was overturned, it would "jeopardize the health and well-being of families and children who depend on public benefits for their basic necessities." In seeking a retraining order, MALDEF said Proposition 200 would "cut off all state services, including education, medical care and police and fire services, to all individuals who are unable to immediately provide adequate proof of their U.S. citizenship or residence." MALDEF President and General Counsel Ann Marie Tallman called the initiative "an illegal, impermissible, unconstitutional state attempt to regulate immigration policy, which is a fundamental function and responsibility of our federal government." She said it "denies basic services to hardworking, contributing members of our community while forcing public servants to become de facto federal immigration officers." But Judge Bury ruled that MALDEF attorneys had failed to prove potential harm from enforcement of the initiative, and Jeanine L'Ecuyer, a spokeswoman for Mrs. Napolitano, said that Proposition 200 was the law of Arizona and that the governor expects agencies to comply with its provisions. Still on the table is a lawsuit filed by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which seeks to expand the definition of Proposition 200 to include myriad public benefits such as housing, food assistance, college education and employment benefits. FAIR argued that Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard erred in concluding last month that the "state and local public benefits" affected by Proposition 200 were limited to those defined under the welfare section of Arizona law and already subject to federal eligibility restrictions. "We are asking the judge to accept our interpretation of what public benefits mean," FAIR's attorney, Michael Hethmon, told reporters after filing the suit in Maricopa County Superior Court in Phoenix. Judge Bury, in ordering that the restraining order be lifted and the law enforced, said Mr. Goddard correctly had concluded that the initiative pertained to only welfare programs. "Before the passage of Proposition 200, under both federal and state law, undocumented aliens were not eligible to receive public benefits, with certain enumerated exceptions," Judge Bury said in a 28-page ruling, adding that Mr. Goddard had issued "a reasoned opinion" limiting its application. "Furthermore, by its express terms, Proposition 200 applies only to 'state and local benefits that are not federally mandated,' " he wrote. In deciding the issue, Judge Bury noted in court papers that he found himself in "an extremely undesirable position." "On the one hand, a majority of Arizona voters cast their ballots in favor of Proposition 200, and this court is loath to disregard their decision. On the other hand, this court is obligated to uphold the Constitution of the United States, even when to do so stands in opposition to popular opinion," he wrote. Posts: 396 | From: Blue Springs MO USA | Registered: Oct 2004
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Notice that Maldef says this will hurt families on that depend on public benefits. Keep in mind public benefits are your tax dollars and the people in question are here illeagaly. Maldef beileves you owe these people a living I say bring out the firing squad
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I agree. I'm also mad that we are sending 350 million in disaster relief to Indonesian countries who have terrorists and who would not help us one bit if we suffered a disaster.
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hey look everybody, the water is running out of the beach let's run out there and see why and Darwin's theory is proven again Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: hey look everybody, the water is running out of the beach let's run out there and see why and Darwin's theory is proven again
Going against Darwin's theory is liberal idealism - ignores reality that can't be changed by wishful thinking.
News flash to liberals:
1. Taking away guns from citizens only increases crime while law abidding citizens have no protection. Washington DC is an example of how gun control increases crime and states with right to carry guns laws have less crime than other states.
2. There will always be war. Sure we should try to resolve conflicts with each others peacefully but we should embrace violence when peaceful resolution fails and not try to always maintain a peaceful world in spite of growing evil threat to us.
3. Loving others always involves hating your self - giving to ohers always involves some self sacrifice in effort, money or material. We must always love only those who contribute to the general good of the nation and hate others in and out of our nation. Otherwise we will deteriorate and destroy our nation, which is our selves. Liberals who would give welfare out of some crazy universal love notion would destroy us. We should seal our borders and shoot and kill illegals who try to sneak across. Anyone who comes into our nation illegally is more likely to also act illegally once they get here. Duh! We don't need to feed, clothe and care for parasites who sneak illegally into our country - only liberal nuts think otherwise.
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Sorry Art; I believe completely the opposite of you! COMPLETELY! According to what you just said, how you must hate yourself! You know, even though you believe this way, I still care about you as a person! What does that say about me? I also care for those who have lost everything! Have you ever lost everything Art? Do you know what it is like, to go without food, and water, and clean clothes, and a place to sleep? Has your entire family ever been wiped out? I have spent the last week, mourning for those families, and here you are, not wanting to help them? Why? What is the motive here? It all comes down to money! What is more important to you here? It seems obvious that it isn't human life! I'm glad that the President is helping the less fortunate! I don't want to hear the argument that we have starving people in our own country, because if everyone in this country, would stop being selfish, and would contribute to helping each other, we wouldn't have any problems! Why do you always expect it to be from the government? Can't you do anything yourself? Don't you have a little money to spare? We are a very wealthy nation! All I hear from you guys, is that you want more more more, for yourselves, and OUR country! What will you do with it after you die? You can't take it with you! I'm sorry, but you've hit a nerve, and I know you will be mad, but hey, I expect it! I hope you have a wonderful New Year, just you, your hated self, and your hoarded money! I plan to pray for those less fortunate, and contribute to their cause! And just because there are terrorists in those countries, doesn't excuse the fact that you are turning your backs on innocent people! There, I've said it! Let me have it, as I know you will! I also pray for you, Art, whether you like it or not!
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Exactly how much aid did Asian countries send here when FL was hit with 5 hurricanes anyone know the exact amount? Did you know that warning systems for tidal waves have been available since the 1940s? Wasn't it that island Helo back years ago where the people all ran down to see why the ocean had almost vanished then they were wipped out have we learned nothing? I guess we'll see how much aid we get if the canary island volcano blows and a 100 ft wave hits our east coast Im sure the aid will be pouring in
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You know something It did'nt even dawn on me when I posted it but Maldef is appealing this to the 9th circuit in san fran OH BOY here we go the same ones that declared the pledge illeagal.
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well let's see? God made the earthquake? and God made the people forget their instincts that would have told them to clear out? (the animals still know) i guess God is now going to make our hearts bigger to help the survivors?
so we can all be one big happy family?
oh no i forgot, as long as we have homos amongst us we are still doomed by God....
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Kate: I believe completely the opposite of you! COMPLETELY!
Art: You live in a fantasy world.
Kate: According to what you just said, how you must hate yourself!
Art: Not at all. I simply know when/who to love and when/who to hate, and know that both love and hate are necessary, and in the final analysis, both are good.
Kate: You know, even though you believe this way, I still care about you as a person! What does that say about me?
Art: That you are a fool. I have done nothing but hurt you, though if you could understand what I have said it would help you.
Kate: Have you ever lost everything Art?
Art: No - been poor though.
Kate: I have spent the last week mourning for those families, and here you are, not wanting to help them? Why? What is the motive here?
Art: I don't want to help them because it is a drain on me and my nation for which nothing will ever come back to us. You would give away my tax dollars in waste and you are evil for this. As long as you alone suffer for your misguided piety, that is fine with me. It is called charity, where giving is up to the individual. We have people in our own nation that would take our aid to better themselves and contribute to our nation in the future. That is where our money should go - we all would get a return on giving such aid.
Kate: It all comes down to money! What is more important to you here? It seems obvious that it isn't human life!
Art: Yes, money buys happiness for our selves and our future generations. Liberal idiots want to give it away and make our selves and future generations less happy or unhappy.
Kate: I don't want to hear the argument that we have starving people in our own country, because if everyone in this country, would stop being selfish, and would contribute to helping each other, we wouldn't have any problems!
Art: If we fed all of the poor, they would multiply and create even more poor, then we would feed them and have more poor to feed, and so on. Your humanity is evil and you don't realize it.
Kate: Why do you always expect it to be from the government? Can't you do anything yourself?
Art: Yes, government should stay out of the charity business and leave it to the individual to help others or not. Then the parasites would die from lack of help, and the world would be a bette place.
Anyone who needs help, and will not return that help in future productivity in contributing to the national welfare, is a parasite.
All nations are in competition for wealth. Those that increase the parasites in thier nation, with liberal policies, will lose out and become poor. Those that kill or reduce their parasites will grow stronger and win out with a high standard of living for their citizens.
Kate: Don't you have a little money to spare?
Art: Yes. I will give it if it benefits myself or those I love, and my love extends only to those who will reciprocate it in the future.
Kate: I hope you have a wonderful New Year, just you, your hated self, and your hoarded money! I plan to pray for those less fortunate, and contribute to their cause! I also pray for you, Art, whether you like it or not!
Art: Could you send me money instead of a prayer?
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I think I will keep praying! If you didn't have food, or clothes, or a place to live, and have lost your family, I'd give you money, but since you are able to afford being on the internet, I think you are doing ok! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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this is a good thread... Art, even though you are logically CORRECT i feel i should point out that one of the more interesting theories of evolution (to me) is that mitochondria were once parasites...they eventually became symbionts and incorporated into the cells, but still maintain separate reproductive activity... that is probably the reason eukaryotes were able to evolve...
the struggle continues....
there's no use in fighting, if there's nothing to win...
hang in there Kate... you are both correct...heheh....
the illegals on the other hand, have to go.... maybe (eventually)they can come back LEGALLY but amnesty will only encourage more lawlessness
Art, even though you are logically CORRECT i feel i should point out that one of the more interesting theories of evolution (to me) is that mitochondria were once parasites...they eventually became symbionts and incorporated into the cells, but still maintain separate reproductive activity... that is probably the reason eukaryotes were able to evolve...
the struggle continues....
there's no use in fighting, if there's nothing to win...
Art: In a sense all organisms are parasites - we all live off of each other. However, symbiosis is the key - love and help those who are symbiotic (who can reciprocate in the future to contribute to your self, family, friends or nation, while avoid, exclude, hate and kill those who would take from you without providing such reciprocation. This is the law of the jungle as you have indicated before. It is based on reality and not wishful fantasy.
It seems to me that relief to the Indonesians would be wasted as they will never reciprocate, but maybe this is wrong. Maybe Powell is getting some political assistance (intelligence on terrorism, etc.) from Indonesians and wants to reciprocate to them for this help, or wants to build closer relations for future assitance they might give us. If so the $350 million in relief may be worth it to us.
Kate is right from the perspective of emotional thinking based on need, but my thought is based in reality. Kate's "universal love" is "feel good" thought that fulfills the need to love others. most of have this need - it gives us pleasure to give. Giving is thus selfish. I am saying giving is foolish if not reciprocated in the future, perhaps indirectly and in the distant future. Many say it all comes back, but the reality is that only some comes back to us. The wise person restricts love and giving to only when there is a good chance it will come back in reciprocation, while the fool doesn't care.
As far as the senselessness of fighting, you are wrong. The world is a battleground where war and competition are incessant, but this is necessary and good. It produces development - evolution and growth. In this development all things get closer to perfection, and, at a soul level of eternal existence, all things become wiser in more unified participation in the quantum computational process at the foundation of matter. This proces is cosmic consciousness or God. We reincarnate, develop wisdom with each life experience, and with increasing wisdom we particiapte in closer unity to the universla quantum computational process underlying matter - we gradually return to God.
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art, i didn't say there's no use in fighting,
i said there's no use in fighting if there's nothing to win....
that was the lesson of the cold war eh?
absolute power is the power to destroy.....
the nuclear age is what bred the "suicide" bomber.....
as the geo-political situation continues to unfold, Bush has somehow been granted another chance to become a truly great leader. i guess that is just life....we'll see how he plays this pitch....so far(IMO, which is worthless), he's way behind in the count...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: art, i didn't say there's no use in fighting,
i said there's no use in fighting if there's nothing to win....
that was the lesson of the cold war eh?
absolute power is the power to destroy.....
the nuclear age is what bred the "suicide" bomber.....
as the geo-political situation continues to unfold, Bush has somehow been granted another chance to become a truly great leader. i guess that is just life....we'll see how he plays this pitch....so far(IMO, which is worthless), he's way behind in the count...
There is always something to win - some positives always result from conflict - war is always good and bad - good for some and bad for others.
We won the cold war in winning the arms race, which crippled Russia's economy, and eliminated them as a global threat. The lessons of the cold war, as with any war, is to fight and win. Might makes right in the real world - not whining about the injustices in life.
Bush is about to show the world how right he was in invading Iraq. He has drawn the terrorists out so as to be able to kill them, is getting support from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan, and other Arab countries fighting terrorism, and will be victorious eventually. The US military presence in Iraq is making Iran and Syria cautious, and is convincing the Palestinians that peace with Israel is best.
Had the US pulled out and not invaded Iraq, Saddam would have gotten the sanctions lifted and would now be re-starting his dormant WMD programs. Al-Qaeda would be secretly allying with Saddam and getting WMD. Many thousands would die in the US in the near future, and there would be no chance of Arab-Israeli peace. This is what the liberals wanted.
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once again Art, you obfuscate MY point... the cold war remained cold because there was nothing to win by pushing the button...
your predictions about the woulda and coulda in Iraq? are just that...
predictions and speculations...
i still maintain that we will need to be present in Iraq indefinitely...(i never predicted anything different, hence my opposition to entering at all)that said, i say we do what we went there to do, and do it right....i never suggested leaving is an option, nor have i been critical of the situation for moral reasons...i think some grave errors of logic/judgement have occurred based on serious cultural differences between us
these people we are fighting there? they are KILLING THEMSELVES.....this is the way a warior who has ALREADY LOST fights.....
you have to admit that even Rumsfeld in moments of weakness (or whatever) has admitted that he misjudged...they expected to be welcomed like the liberators were in Italy at the end of WW2....NOT...
as far as sending help to indonesia? i don't like it much either (based on Islam's failures to police it's own nutcases), but, in order to make progress, someone always has to make the first step....we have an oportunity to "buy" some goodwill...it's a chance worth taking....
on the other hand you say we are making progress with certain other Isalmic countries? i don't see it... that doesn't mean i disagree with you, but it's not very obvious in the news...
and quite frankly you must admit that the Christian fundamentalists are starting to get a little full of themselves as well...just a recipe for more (not less) war...
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Glassman: once again Art, you obfuscate MY point... the cold war remained cold because there was nothing to win by pushing the button...
Art: Yes, the cold war was fought economically and politicaly, and we beat Russia, and the nuclear (M.A.D.) stalemate prevented a nuclear war (strength prevents aggression while weakness invites it).
Glassman: your predictions about the woulda and coulda in Iraq? are just that... predictions and speculations...
Art: Yes but mine are most likely.
Glasman: i still maintain that we will need to be present in Iraq indefinitely...(i never predicted anything different, hence my opposition to entering at all)that said, i say we do what we went there to do, and do it right....i never suggested leaving is an option, nor have i been critical of the situation for moral reasons...i think some grave errors of logic/judgement have occurred based on serious cultural differences between us
Art: We will be there as long as our presence insures mideast stability. We will use that presence as leverage against Syria and Iran - our presence is quite useful and necessary.
Glasman: these people we are fighting there? they are KILLING THEMSELVES.....this is the way a warior who has ALREADY LOST fights.....
Art: So? People have been killing themselves since early on and will do it always.
Glassman:... even Rumsfeld in moments of weakness (or whatever) has admitted that he misjudged...they expected to be welcomed like the liberators were in Italy at the end of WW2....NOT...
Art: We were welcomed by most, and the majority of Iraqis are grateful for our presence and for what we are trying to do. We did encounter more resistance than we anticipated, and did not find the missing WMD, but they are hidden somewhere. This does not mean it was a mistake to invade.
Glassman: as far as sending help to indonesia? i don't like it much either (based on Islam's failures to police it's own nutcases), but, in order to make progress, someone always has to make the first step....we have an oportunity to "buy" some goodwill...it's a chance worth taking....
Art: It might payoff for us and thereby justify our help.
Glasman: on the other hand you say we are making progress with certain other Isalmic countries? i don't see it... that doesn't mean i disagree with you, but it's not very obvious in the news...
Art: Syria and Iran are nervous over our presence in Iraq - either could be next. This presence will eventually help us nuclear disarm Iran and help us keep Syria from sponsoring terrorism. This alone justiifes the Iraq invasion. Saudi Arabia is now fighting Al-Qaeda and thus more closely allied with us. The Pallestinians are moving toward peace with Israel which, once achieved, will defuse the Arab hostility toward the U.S. Peace is braeking out in the mideast, starting with the Iraqi invasion by the U.S., and maintained by the U.S. military presence in Iraq. This will all become clearer in 2-3 years.
Glassman: and quite frankly you must admit that the Christian fundamentalists are starting to get a little full of themselves as well...just a recipe for more (not less) war...
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re-incarnation is only as good as the environment you can be re-incarnated to....
my concerns are that certain groups that believe in certain revelations will in fact do things that nobody would consider doing unless they believed in some form of divine intervention...
as a matter of fact they are already doing things that they wouldn't do otherwise...
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Glassman:re-incarnation is only as good as the environment you can be re-incarnated to....
Art: Reincarnation is neither good or bad - a material lifetime is good or bad according to the pleasure and pain, but it doesn't matter - a soul personality develops understanding with material experience, and thereby participates more in unity with the cosmic flow. Hitler, as well as the millions of Jews he killed, developed from the experience - became closer to the cosmic intelligence underlying matter.
Glassman: my concerns are that certain groups that believe in certain revelations will in fact do things that nobody would consider doing unless they believed in some form of divine intervention...
Art: Religious nuts, as well as other crazies, will always be unpredictable. They are developing from experience like all of us. Often this means killing or being killed.
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Exactly which Christian groups are getting full of themselves or are dangerous. When Billy Ghram and Pat Robertson fly planes into buildings then maybe we have a problem.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe in reincarnation! If it were true, we would be perfect by now, and have no problems, instead of everything continuing to get worse! We have only one life to live, according to God's Word!
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: I'm sorry, but I don't believe in reincarnation! If it were true, we would be perfect by now, and have no problems, instead of everything continuing to get worse! We have only one life to live, according to God's Word!
We are perfect. We are part of all-that-is, or God, and it is perfect. Change does not denote imperfection. Immoral actions do not indicate imperfection. The universal flow, regulated by quantum computation (universal intelligence) is eternal, but ever changing. Matter is one form of expression of quantum computation but alternate universes exist outside of matter, and they interchange with matter, in the universal flow. As we live and learn in repeated incarnations we get more in tune with the universal intelligence of quantum computation and our non-material experience expands.
The material is a facade - an illusion created by perception. The material world blinks on and off, in quantum leaps, like frames of a movie flash on and off. We perceive the movie as moving but it is actualy a series of still frames flashing by - as is our holographic world. The world around you is not solid, as it appears. It is waves or energy vibrations conveying data which is perceived as material by our brains. When you touch an object you don't "touch" anything - the vibrations of the object communicate with our skin somatosensory vibrations. The radio no more touches the radio station transmitter tower than our skin touches the table - our skin as a radio picks up waves from the table, and we perceive this as one solid object touching another (which is an illusion).
God is the sum total of eternal energy vibrations in the universe, and we are a significant part of these vibrations.
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BTW Kate,none of this precludes Christianity...the idea of heaven as an alternate universe supports it even....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: slow down Art, you have to lay a stronger foundation for statements like that to get thru....
i don't think it's binary, but you are very close....there's never an off, but there is otherness....
Art: If there is never an off (and we can't tell since we go off with the rest of the universe) then the universe is continuous and not descrete. However, a continuous universe is an illusion. The quantum leap, quantum tunneling, teleportation, etc. show a simultaneous jump of particles from one position to another - disappearing and reappearing at the same instance, over vast space with teleportation, with no continuous movement between states or locations. The material universe is descrete - a continous reality is at its basis.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: BTW Kate,none of this precludes Christianity...the idea of heaven as an alternate universe supports it even....
Religion puts morality as an ontological basis, and this is false. God is amoral. Morality exists, not as a part of God and not as emanating from God, but as an evaluation of incarnate personality. Morality does not otherwise exist in the universe, though religion falsely asserts that it does.
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i think you are saying that our consciousness is binary...i agree...
but i think we are extremely limited in our ability to experience the waveform that constitutes reality.... by definition a waveform changes direction but never goes off.
by the way, this means we have to chuck the big bang IMO
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Do you think it gives me pleasure, to try to love you guys Art? The way I believe God wants me to love you? What fun do you think it is, for me to always find negative things to respond to? What a battle it is, for me to even look to see what you are arguing about next? To care enough, to keep coming back, because I care about your souls? I can't love others with my own strength; my love for others comes from the Holy Spirit that lives within me, otherwise, it would never be possible, to love the unlovable! Not saying that YOU are, but there are an awful lot of them that exist! Love to me, is the most unselfish thing there is. Jesus died unselfishly, so that we might live! I don't think he enjoyed being flogged, stones thown at him, spit upon, having the skin ripped from his flesh, being nailed to a wooden cross, and being dropped down into the hole, and then hung there, until he died of being unable to breath, because of the air being restricted from his lungs because he was hanging! He could breath, as long as he could lift himself up a bit with his feet, which were also nailed to the cross, but when the pain got to be too much to bear, he had to hang, and cut off his air supply! I really don't believe this kind of love, was selfish! That is the kind of love Christians are supposed to have for others, whether you think we are dumb or selfish, or not! I am talking about a REAL Christian, not a "religious" person! You guys make me weary!
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i think you are saying that our consciousness is binary...i agree...
but i think we are extremely limited in our ability to experience the waveform that constitutes reality.... by definition a waveform changes direction but never goes off.
by the way, this means we have to chuck the big bang IMO
I am saying material expression is descrete. A continuous and non-material reality is always on and supports material expression. Material expression pulses - in each pulse the material universe is reconfigured, and each pulse is a quantum leap.
A wave form could also pulse - we perceive and measure it as continouopus, as we perceive and measure movement of objects, but this is an illusion. Iyt is like watching a movie - descrete frames appear as continuous. The universe is a movie of atomic holograms. We don't have to chuck the big bang.
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Go to the first post in the thread linked above in my previous post:
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The essence of the universe is energy regulated by quantum computation in a continuous realm. This is a particle-less, space-less, and timeless realm. It is everywhere and nowhere simultaneously, where past, present, and future simultaneously co-exist. It can be called God.
When energy is configured in a wave function collapse, particlization and material existence results in a present (Now) of a quantum leap. This results in space since particles now exist in relation to one another, separated by space, as in a painting or photograph. When successive configurations result in successive quantum leaps, movement results as particles change position here in relation to one another. When movement is measured, owing to the regular rhythm of quantum leaps, then this yields an abstraction we call time. The regularity of quantum leaps is a universal clock of precipitation of material configurations of energy based on computation, from an interference of the past wave function collapses with the future wave function collapse possibilities (multiverse). The future is continually generated by God, in an infinite expansion, via quantum computation. Any material Now is somewhat of an illusion compared to its ontological basis in non-material processes. We participate in both realms, as does every particle, but as intelligent energy configurations, we also participate in the generation of the computation of the multiverse of possibilities. Our quantum computational processes are networked with all others, to comprise God ("If there is no God, then I am God" - Dostoevski). Actually we are not God, rather, God is us, and everything else.
Morality has no existence in this realm. Morality is a need fulfillment/failure evaluation of emotional considerations by an intellect capable of feeling, from a perspective of either self, or other, or both. The error of religion is to ontologically couple existence with morality. This was done for political reasons to garner power to religion.
Reality is an evaluation of existence, and can be a valid or invalid evaluation and description of existence to varying degrees. A description of existence is valid when it is based on valid inductions (intuitively constructed with conceptual assistance) that encompasses all the phenomena addressed.
Any description of existence that does not encompass paranormal (quantum, psychic, etc.) phenomena is of limited validity.
Materiality - an illusion of reality structured by the sensations and intellect of our holonomic brain that is focused on the holonomic universe. Art
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What delusion are you guys under? Do you have moles? Warts? All of your hair? too fat? too thin? illness? getting older? Since when are these things, "perfect?" Only God is perfect, and we are NOT God! I'm glad you guys have a lot of fun, with your scientific terms, I personally have other things more important to think about! My son looks at some of what you say, and shakes his head, and he is only 24! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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You know Glass, it finally hit me today, what your one comment earlier in this thread, reminded me of. It was when the Grinch who stole Christmas, was standing on his mountaintop, talking about how small his heart was! You all don't want to be like the Grinch do you? I believe that the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future, will be visiting some of you guys soon too! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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