posted February 17, 2004 15:34            

maybe i need a more detailed understanding but the mind boggling technology i can buy for under 100 dollars, like gps which can tell me where i am and how fast i'm moving in which direction from outerspace gives me faith when intel is interested so am i, or at least i take notice. i understand the differences in these technologies. sound vs radio vs light.

i'd bet there were some tests of wpm counts done with both technologies. also since this is going to be for the vast majority of users, a visual instead of tactile keyboard. i would doubt a 60 wpm typist would achieve the same speed on a virtual keyboard. at least not yet.

kudos on your background, and thanks for your response. i found it very interesting and helpful. i am sorry if you took offence at my questioning your technical expertise. i am possibly all wet in the above calculations, but i am in good company if i am. bill gates. both of these technologies are yet to be proven in the public's hands and in various scenarios. in the mean time, since this is stock discussion dealing investments i will continue to try to add information as i find it.

i think we both want to see ibzt go up, and i don't disagree that ibzt has great potential. but since it seems to like the .04-.05 channel for now, i believe there is much more involved here than an issue of which virtual keyboard might be viable or not. ibzt themselves are quite aware of the risks and their tenuous position in the tech sector and with their license to sell the vkb technology.

i suggest all read the 10ksb to see what you all think of it. please notice the caveats at the beginning and the bonuses and 25 % ownership of ibzt common shares by shilling and perkins, toward the end. nobody is better positioned for an increased share price than them. this 10ksb left me with many questions. and i found no definitive info re the license agreement with vkb. i really would be interested.

pl, my low buy was .0022. i don't remember it hitting .0015 since i have been trading it. and i sold all of the way from ~ .009 to .08 to generate free shares and take profit. i am a formula trader. i am not smart enough to make a consistant profit otherwise.

peace and prosperity.

uncle milty

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Originally posted by PL:
well 1000 post 35 yrs investing super wise having 2 mill free shares bought at .0015 - .0025 old mullet,

I think any average kid would know that the speed of sound is approximately 340m/s whereas the speed of light is 30000000m/s.
For the benefit of other readers, and NOT for you alone, I'll explain.

Canesta's product depends on sound input to determine its position. First, it'll have to wait for the sensor to pick up the sound waves and then determine its position through calculating the distance between the origin of the sound waves and the sensor. Sound waves are not as clear cut in calculation as light waves. Any sound source could create interference waves and therefore affect the sensor's accuracy. I am almost certain that if one is to use the Canesta's keyboard on an airplane, it would not work. IF you don't tap hard enough for the sensor to pick up the sound, it might not even recognize it. Tell me, tapping hard at every key you enter for oh.. lets say 30 mins... will your old fingers get sore, mullet? After determining the position, it has to match the distance calculated with an input array before finally determining which input character is relevant and then send that character to output.

VKB's keyboard uses lasers, which is oh.. only about close to 1 million times faster than sound. When the finger breaks the laser grid, it'll be picked up by the CMOS sensor, and directly matches it with the input character for output. This is the case due to the fact that every grid can be preprogrammed to match every character or command. In computer engineering terms, it acts as an "Interrupt". Every key grid is independent, and any break in the grid creates an interrupt and immediately the process to send the corresponding letter to output is achieved. Its kind of like the motion sensors used in security systems. You break the laser's pathway, an alarm sounds. Thus, input and output is almost instantaneous. On top of that, you do not need to worry about fuzzy logic calculations for sound waves as light waves are almost as simple as 1 and 0. 0 for off, 1 for on. You break the grid, it's on. You don't break the grid, it's off. Less variables, more accuracy. If one argues that there are interference waves for light as well and that will also affect accuracy in the CMOS sensor, I have to agree. But to create that magnitude of interference, one will have to create magnetic waves strong enough to bend light such that the grid sensors are out of sync. If that happens, I seriously doubt that any electronic appliance in your home will even work.

If you disagree with what I am saying mullet, go get a PH.D in computer engineering before posting another message on the technical aspects of the virtual keyboard.

I hope my post will benefit other readers.

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posted February 17, 2004 15:47            

What is happening is not freezing light
but rather creating a switch which blocks
or allows passage of light based upon
harmonic frequencies; an on-off switch.

At one point, the author indicated previously
injected light is bumped out by injection of
additional light. This is inertia transfer,
which has nothing to do with "freezing."
This concept is easily exemplified during
the course of a game of billiards.

Nonetheless, the reporter's writing is
lacking technical correctness.

Any comments you would share on this recent
SEC filing by Ibiz?

Purl Gurl

posted February 17, 2004 15:47            

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Originally posted by Purl Gurl:
Light "could" be frozen?

I am enjoying all these new Universal Laws
you are creating.

Perhaps you are confusing our ability to
"freeze" electricity within solidified
hydrogen?

Your battle. Right. Why do not you just go away and stay away. If you had any intel you would have read our past post and found out this has all been discussed in detail. But, you want because you just are here to piss people off. Just go away and leave IBZT to the IBZT investors. You add absolutely nothing to the thread except your total ignorant statements. I am sure no one else wants to here your mouth on this thread. Well let me back off on that. There is always one fool. Eat MONSTERS Eat

PL, have any comments you would share
about this recent Ibiz filing?

Purl Gurl

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posted February 17, 2004 15:51            

Good luck Bart and Bo.

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Originally posted by Hooter:
Personally I find the time delay between a light and a sound detector rather irrelevent. 300m/s=984.249ft/s which means 1 foot (avg distance in pictures) is about .001016 seconds away. On the flip side 300000000m/s=984249000ft/s which means 1 foot is about .000000001016 seconds away> Now while this is a significant difference in time, when you consider that a 1Gig processor completes a particular function in .000000001 seconds my math still comes up with a sensed change in a little less than 1 thousandth of a second. Sorry, I only have an associates degree in engineering but I find the significance of $16M in capital investment more important that 1/1000 of a second. Furthermore There isn't a little microphone picking up taps it is better described as a radar reflective receiver similar to sonar-more than likely operating at a very high frequency and undisturbed by ambient sound. My understanding is that the VKB uses a laser to display the keyboard but uses IR in a similar manor to detect distance and position. While ambient light probably won't effect the IR sensing ability if you can't see the display due to ambient light it doesn't matter much. The good news is that both of these products will have this issue. Back off the Mullet he has provided much more valuable DD to this group than your phD. I like this group for constuctive info if you feel the need to be arrogant, take it over to Raging Bull you'll be right at home. May God bless our education system!

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posted February 17, 2004 16:01            

do you still have some ibzt wooter? it is hard to discuss this rationally when i really would like to have my 2 m remaining shares hit a buck. i would like to look in the mirror and tell myself how stupid i was for being a doubting thomas. well maybe some day. no hurry.

uncle milty

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Originally posted by Hooter:
Personally I find the time delay between a light and a sound detector rather irrelevent. 300m/s=984.249ft/s which means 1 foot (avg distance in pictures) is about .001016 seconds away. On the flip side 300000000m/s=984249000ft/s which means 1 foot is about .000000001016 seconds away> Now while this is a significant difference in time, when you consider that a 1Gig processor completes a particular function in .000000001 seconds my math still comes up with a sensed change in a little less than 1 thousandth of a second. Sorry, I only have an associates degree in engineering but I find the significance of $16M in capital investment more important that 1/1000 of a second. Furthermore There isn't a little microphone picking up taps it is better described as a radar reflective receiver similar to sonar-more than likely operating at a very high frequency and undisturbed by ambient sound. My understanding is that the VKB uses a laser to display the keyboard but uses IR in a similar manor to detect distance and position. While ambient light probably won't effect the IR sensing ability if you can't see the display due to ambient light it doesn't matter much. The good news is that both of these products will have this issue. Back off the Mullet he has provided much more valuable DD to this group than your phD. I like this group for constuctive info if you feel the need to be arrogant, take it over to Raging Bull you'll be right at home. May God bless our education system!

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posted February 17, 2004 16:07            

Can you do this or is it you and others
have twisted my words into something I
did not write, along with some urging
others to harass me?

Twisting the words of another, is this
not classic deceit? Is deceit a good
basis for stock research and investment?

My personal perspective is those who
practice deceit and urge harassment
of others, lack any credibility.

What comments would you share about company
officers being awarded with bonus money for
generating multi-millions in losses?

posted February 17, 2004 16:08            

pl thanks for the link. i have a good friend at jpl, but in the mars program. we have had some very interesting fishing trips. not the typical fishing conversation.

uncle milty

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Originally posted by OilMan:
Purl, Before you get a rock chunked at your glass house, would you care to explain in depth exactly what qualifys this company for protection und U.S. Fedral Bankruptcy court?
And FYI>>>>>>>>>>..

January 18, 2001
Scientists Bring Light to Full Stop, Hold It, Then Send It on Its Way
By JAMES GLANZ

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posted February 17, 2004 16:23            

I am rather surprised to not read any
discussion of the most recent SEC filing
made by IBZT.
Appears to me IBZT is seriously flirting
with bankruptcy. I am not suggesting this
will happen but am suggesting all the
precursors for Chapter 11 filing exist.

What is your opinion?

Purl Gurl
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posted February 17, 2004 16:33            

Good luck - Steve

By: rocket_scientist3
17 Feb 2004, 03:25 PM EST
Msg. 178251 of 178444
Jump to msg. #
(Re-post) Here's a copy of the email from Ken Schilling

as well as a copy of the original email sent to him. The only thing altered is "X"-ing out the original emailer's name for privacy's sake. Enjoy!

Here's the original email sent to Ken:

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:33:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "XXXXXXXXXXXXX" Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
Subject: PLEASE respond to these shareholder concerns
To: ken@ibizcorp.com

Dear Mr. Schilling:

I am a currect stockholder of IBZT. I've sent emails
all over the globe trying to get answers to some very
basic questions regarding iBIZ, all to no avail. I
finally decided to go straight to the top for answers
-- that means asking you, the CEO.

There is a tremendous amount of conflicting
information being passed around regarding the Virtual
Keyboard and the spinoff of iBIZ. I would deeply
appreciate it if you would answer a few simple
questions that will put an end to all misinformation.

1. Is it true that shipment of the Virtual Keyboards
cannot occur until after the SEC/NASD approves the
spinoff company?

2. Will revenue from the Virtual Keyboard and the Blue
Dock go to iBIZ Technology (IBZT) or to the spinoff
company?

3. Is there any plan in place to reduce the number of
oustanding shares of IBZT? If so, what is it? (For
what it's worth, I personally am NOT opposed to a
reverse split; in fact, I FAVOR it unless there is a
buy-back of 2 billion shares instead.)

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
I realize this is an extremely busy time for you, but
I have not been able to get ANY response to my
questions from anyone else, and therefore had no
choice but to contact you directly. Thank you again,
and I wish you much success.

Sincerely yours,

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online.

And here is Ken's response:

From: "Ken Schilling" Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
To: "'XXXXXXXXXXXXX'"
Subject: RE: PLEASE respond to these shareholder concerns
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:32:33 -0700

XXXXXXXXXX,

It is quite obvious you need to stay off the message boards. Normally, I would not respond to these types of e-mails, however, this time I'll make an exception. Answers follow. Thank you for your interest and again, I would urge you to stay off the message boards as there is only lies, deceit
and misconceptions there.

Best Regards,

Ken Schilling

1. Absolutely not and whomever you got this information from is gravely misinformed.

2. All revenue from both products go to IBZT as well as all the other products we currently produce.

3. There is no current plan to do a reverse split. In this regard specifically, if we moved to a larger more reputable exchange, it would be their direction and not ours if it were decided to do a reverse of some type.

posted February 17, 2004 16:37            

No cash.

Multi-millions in losses each year.

Accumulated debt approaching twenty-five million.

Continued planned intense dilution of value to
stay afloat.

Company officers awarded big cash payments for
those generated losses.

Assuming a price of one-hundred dollars per
laser keyboard, how many keyboards must sell
to move Ibiz into black ink? What net profit
per keyboard is needed to reverse losses?

Why are company officers being rewarded for
creating continued losses?

I continue to wait for someone to cite a
reference which clearly displays my clear
prediction of bankruptcy by Ibiz.

Certainly some of you are learning I am not
the shrinking violet you assume me to be and
are learning, if you do not quote me in a
truthful manner, I will highlight your
attempts at deceit.

posted February 17, 2004 16:43            

Did Rocket Man question Schilling about those
obvious contradictions in his wording?

posted February 17, 2004 16:50            

This links for which you ask, are SEC filings
made by Ibiz. You really consult those filings.

Price dropping? Yes, continued dilution as
I have stated would happen, many times. This
is nothing astounding. Ibiz itself verifies
an intent to continue with dilution to keep
Ibiz itself afloat. Ibiz has no choice.

Bart, you are contradicting yourself. Many
times you have tried to force me to leave
threads, many times you have tried to censor
my opinions. Now you are stating I am a liar
and urging others to not leave.

You really need to walk the talk if you
are to impress me.

posted February 17, 2004 16:55            

sometimes i think i spend too much time here trying to get investors to look at anything that doesn't favor their position. even when i have one of the largest positions on most threads. the majority on any thread have a vested interest in a stock and maybe i am just being too objective for the general flow. maybe i am calling out NARC when they are content being high on their perspective. i think maybe i will visit another site more often that i recently started posting on that encourages thorough dd. the site was started by a couple of former allstocks members that had good track records. actually, i believe i saw you posting there wooter.

later, guitar class shortly. teaching guitar makes stocks seem simple. hope you had as good a day as i had. fnix on the charge again. another symbian partner.

uncle milty

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Originally posted by Hooter:
Milty, I still have my original 75K. Small potatoes but quite a bit to me. I'm sure I pissed off some folks but I just didn't care for PL discounting Canesta based on less than stellar DD then waving his phD in challenge of any reply. While I don't see Canesta as any immediate threat I do believe it imperative to stay knowledgeable about every aspect of the competition. I'm in it for the long haul(1-3yrs) with the hope of turning something good but I also refuse to spend that time def dumb and blind. Sorry if I pissed folks off but I would really like to stick to the facts and leave the attacks on RB.
OT 67Tele,74SG,86Strat+3Boxes figured you would appreciate that Milty!

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posted February 17, 2004 17:02            

I must insist you treat my words in a
truthful manner lest I become annoyed
and elect to humilate you.

posted February 17, 2004 17:13            

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Originally posted by glassman:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bart:
[B]I have at work 3 people in on it now! 2 of my friends in it. I put money in here for my sons and their children! Now if this thing does not fly, I will have a short time on this earth because they will kill me! So I think I will live a long time! They are all in at between .016 to .04!(QUOTE)

Hi Bart thought I'd drop in and see how the happy family is doin. I've been so busy trading this last week, I had no time to look in on you. All these damn consistency problems to deal with you-- know what i mean..LOL
So is it time for me to jump back in this one yet or should i wait a little longer--I don't really have time to read all the thread here so could you just give a quick synopsis?
By the way my wife says a grand on 9ball or 8ball is jesfine wit her---

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posted February 17, 2004 17:19            

Here is a bet with higher stakes, a bet
of your fragile masculine ego against
my feminine self-confidence.

I bet you cannot walk the talk, as I do.

posted February 17, 2004 17:23            

Everyone post there predictions for the following time periods and we will let time deliver the truth.

1. 1 month

2. 3 months

3. 8 months

4. 1 year

5. 2 years

6. 5 years

We all know the chances of predictiing this perfectly is slim but lets put our predictions on paper!

posted February 17, 2004 17:25            

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Originally posted by glassman:
Bart when are you going get your stories straight? one day you have a new wife- the next you have grandchildren--and you have bought IBZT at so many prices you sound like a day trader. Not an investor

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posted February 17, 2004 17:31            

I don't know you. I seem to like to get along with everyone. I see you've been posting about a month, and at the begining it looked like it was going to have another good DD person aboard. But lately, it seems you are slamming many people and are posting things that are not true or that don't make sense. To do your DD on IBZT you must spend HOURS researching many items. This is a co. that has been brought back from the DEAD! Will it make it to heaven? Only time will tell. You need to learn the good, bad and the ugly about this company and its past - and I think you may come to realize that there is now more good than bad, and the only thinkugly is the OS, which the CEO has said a few times, that when they can AFFORD to, they want to initiate a share buyback.

#1 - Rocket Scientist isn not my friend. I don't know him/her. I stated that I'
ve read his posts for months and have never seen this person post anything that seemed shady or dishonest.

#2 - I don't thing the CEO's reply was arrogant or condescending at all - He spoke the truth. MOST message boards, this one being a BIG exception, are trashy and are filled with lies and garbage unrelated to the stock on the thread. I think he was warning the writer to be careful of what they read on boards and take heed.

Right now, I have nothing against you - but I hope you'll do a little DD and homework on this stock before you start making outlandish statements.

posted February 17, 2004 17:37            

This quote is a good example of what i am trying to tell ALL OF YOU politely

SIRI and XMSR have ALMOST IDENTICAL MARKET CAPS --XM is not ahead of SIRI period----

posted February 17, 2004 17:40            

1st month - Rise up to about $0.20

3rd months - Rise to about to $0.50

8th months - Bounce back and forth between $0.30 and $0.50

1st year - Around $1.00

2nd years - Around $2.00

posted February 17, 2004 17:46            

Just to add on the little science lesson I missed, what if...all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all of one consciousness, in of itself so objectively, there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves.

posted February 17, 2004 18:00            

Your one month and two month projection
cannot be right based on info from Ibiz.

Prices will not rise with continued dilution.

I expect dilution to continue beyond what
Ibiz has confirmed. Ibiz has virtually no
revenue and less cash than in my pocketbook.
They have no choice but to dilute to stay
afloat and avoid bankruptcy via deliquent
payments on loans and any taxes due.

Their accumulated deficit of now over a
good twenty-four-million, will certainly
discourage new lending, save for those
who specialize in toxic lending. Their
current working capital deficit of over
six-million, toss that in, you have the
makings for toxic lending, a takeover,
liquidation and eventual bankruptcy.

What is supporting prices now is pure hype.
Investors are not buying in based on known
facts nor company performance. Investors
are buying in because of Cargo Cult Hype.

Once investors realize prices will and are
falling because of dilution, once this really
lousy 10Q filing soaks in, perspective will
quickly change possibly leading to a sudden
condition of panic selling.

I do not know panic selling will take place
but as I said about bankruptcy, most if not
all of the precursors exist, for bankruptcy
as they do for future panic selling.

Inability to recover from debt, no revenue,
toxic lending, bankruptcy, I do not know
any of those events will come to past but
do know circumstances are ripe for this.

posted February 17, 2004 18:00            

Go to your on-line broker's site and closely read the news for IBZT from December 2003 to the present. Take notes and follow up on your own for clarification and support of any conclusions you reach.

Next, go to the beginning of this site (it's decent enough) and read through the posts to gain further perspective.

Like many who may or may not chose to post, your common sense will guide you in spotting salient points. It will also serve you to determine the credibility of the postname. You can look up the posting history of postnames to view their credibility (or lack their of) and digest it accordingly in the future when you read their posts.

As you go through the process, you can determine based on your own common sense and risk level, what opportunity lies ahead for the company and how you perceive this to be reflected in thier future stock price.

I gathered some good info today, but post when the dust settles some.
The only point I wish to add is the mention of the 10k report. For new investors and those looking into IBIZ for the first time, answer these 2 questions for yourself: What are the dates of the 10k report? Do these dates and the 10k report reflect the activities of IBIZ Technology since December 30, 2003?

It's a fundamentally obvious point, but thought it needed mentioned.

Be well all. :) Bo

posted February 17, 2004 18:03            

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Originally posted by TTmaster99:
opiate94,

I bought mine at 0.0505... So you're still doing better than me bud... But this IBZT keep going back and forth between $0.04 and $0.05 now... So u might as well stay with what you got to save all them broker's commissions...

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posted February 17, 2004 18:07            

NEO: Here are my predictions: Hit my prediction for today pretty close: This is with no reverse splits and no buy out:

1 Month end of March .08 to .10

3 Month end of May .30 to .40

8 Month end of October .80 to 1.00

1 Yr end February 2005 1.20 to 1.50

2 Yr end February 2006 5.00 to 8.00

3 Yr end February 2007 12.00 to 20.00
(I feel I might be a little low on the 3 yr).

Good Idea NEO: This will make it interesting to see everyones thoughts on it.

Eat MONSTERS Eat