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THE HOLY BIBLE IS TRUE - PROOF THAT THE HOLY BIBLE COMES FROM SUPERNATURAL ORIGINS

Can we trust the Bible? Is The Holy Bible really the Word of God, as theologians and preachers say? Or is The Bible a compilation of wise, witty and intellectual sayings, recorded by scribes and holy men down through the centuries?

IS THE HOLY BIBLE INFALLIBLE - DOES GOD REALLY EXIST?

Is the Bible inerrant, authoritative and infallible? And what about God; does He really exist? Is God all wise, is God all knowing and is God everywhere present and eternal?

YES - I BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS INFALLIBLE & THE WORD OF GOD AND YES - I BELIEVE GOD DOES EXIST AND I CAN PROVE IT

I believe the answer to both these questions is Yes, and that I can prove it! The Greek philosopher, Plato, said there are three valid sources of knowledge:

1). The five senses - sight, sound, smell, touch and taste.
2). Reason - which sets men apart from the lower animals.
3). Something he called "divine madness" - referring to the spiritual world of supernatural communication.

ONLY TWO SOURCES OF SUPERNATURAL WISDOM EXIST GOD AND SATAN

The Bible is the divine rule book

There are only two sources of supernatural wisdom - God and Satan...Therefore, we need a divinely formulated rule book as a guide or measuring stick. The Bible is that rule book!

Jesus Christ endorsed the Holy Scriptures. He said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all be fulfilled".

Multitudes are looking for a reliable voice of authority. They know they cannot trust treaties between world leaders, statements by philosophers, scientists and even church leaders.

But the Bible, God's Word, is the only real authority we have. Proven trustworthy throughout the centuries, the Holy Bible sheds light on human nature, world problems and human sufferings. Beyond that, it clearly reveals the way to God!

WHO WROTE THE BIBLE? WHERE DOES THE BIBLE ORIGINATE FROM?

Who wrote the Bible? Where did it originate and why is it so important? Biblical scholar, Dr. Moshe Katz, and computer expert, Dr. Menachen Wiener, of 'The Technion', Israel's Institute of Technology have concluded that God is its author.

The conclusion that God is the author of the Bible was reached by Biblical scholars based on the notion that significant words are concealed in the Hebrew text of the first five books of the Bible, spelled by letter, separated at fixed intervals; a system alluded to in Rabbinical literature used much later.

Dr. Katz said the researchers' evidence contradicts the belief that the Pentateuch is a collection of documents written and edited by different persons at different times.

The patterns of letters repeated throughout all the text dismiss this theory, because the statistical probabilities of the pattern are information appearing at set intervals. By chance, it is extremely low - sometimes one to three million!

Katz pointed to the repetition of the Hebrew word "Torah" (law), which appears in the book of Genesis repeatedly every fifty characters, and the word "Elohim" (God), which appears in the same book, then skipping twenty six letters.

The numbers 50 and 26 have great significance in Jewish tradition. The burial site of Adam and Eve is never mentioned in the text in the Bible, but by the letter skipping method the names, "Adam & Eve" appear in the text where the burial place of Abraham and Sarah, the patriarch's tomb, is described.

OLD TESTAMENT NOT WRITTEN BY HUMAN HAND

Another extraordinary aspect to emerge from the research is the prophetic nature of many words revealed in the text, which gives ammunition to Dr. Katz' conviction that the Old Testament was not written by a human hand.

In the book of Esther which is read during the Jewish holiday of Purim, the story of Haman's treachery and execution was graphically told. Haman's ten sons were hanged and their names are listed in the same book.

After the hangings, Queen Esther was asked by the king what more could be done for her and her people, the Jews. Her reply was that she wanted "Haman's ten sons hanged upon the gallows". This puzzled scholars for centuries, since they had already been hanged.

A major hint explaining this mystery, said Katz, is the appearance of three letters. These three letters are "tas, shin and zayin" in the list of Haman's ten hanged sons (written smaller than the other letters). "TAS, SHIN, ZAYIN" spell out the number in the Jewish calendar for the year 1946 on the Gregorian calendar.

On October 16th, 1946 explained Dr. Katz, ten Nazis were hanged following their conviction and sentencing at the Nuremberg Trials. (Eleven had been convicted but Herman Goering committed suicide, by poisoning an hour before the execution.)

Julius Steicher, one of the ten hanged, seconds before the noose tightened cried out, "Purim Fest, 1946"!

Additionally said Katz, "In 1946 according to the Jewish calendar, October 16th fell exactly on the annual Jewish holiday, "Hoshana Raba", which is considered the last day of judgment in a chain of high holidays, including Hoshana, Raba and Yom Kippur, a period of judgment.

"Such a phenomenon cannot be explained rationally", commented computer expert, Dr. Weiner. "So we need a non-rational! And ours is that the Bible was written by God, through the hands of Moses."

The Bible certainly can be trusted, for it is the living Word of God!

CAN THE BIBLE BE TRUSTED?

Over the centuries, a number of very sincere doubters have set out to prove the Bible to be incorrect.

One of these was Sir William Ramsay, who determined to use historical events - especially the 'Book of Acts' - to disprove the validity of the Sacred Writings! Sir William Ramsay's strategy was to travel to every place and do all the things - recorded by Dr. Luke - which St. Paul and his party experienced.

Using similar modes of transportation and reconstructing the great Apostle's missionary journeys, Sir William Ramsay discovered Luke's accounts so accurate and convincing that he received Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour!

At the conclusion of his study, Sir William Ramsay concluded: "Luke is an historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historical sense, he fixed his mind on the idea and plan that rules in the evolution of history, and proportions the scale of his treatment to the importance of each incident...In short, this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians".

THE HISTORICAL ACCURACY OF THE BIBLE OVERWHELMED SIR WILLIAM RAMSAY

Another 'notable' to be converted to Christ by the outcome of his own research is mathematician, Dr. Ivan Panin. Immigrating to the USA more than a hundred years ago from his native Russia, the famous atheist was challenged by friends to prove the Bible erroneous, using mathematics.

The results of Dr. Panin's scientific research convinced him that the Bible is indeed a 'mathematical marvel'! He discovered a miraculous numeric pattern and consistency, which ran like a thread throughout the entire Bible - Old and New Testaments! Using the same scientific approach to Greek classics, the Apochrapha and books of literature, Dr. Panin found no such divine design!

Falling upon his face he cried out for mercy and received Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour! And he devoted the rest of his life speaking publicly at universities across the USA, proving that the Bible is inerrant, infallible and divine!

THE BIBLE STILL WORLD'S BEST SELLER BOOK

It is small wonder then that the Holy Bible is still the world's best seller. The American Bible Society reported in 1982, that the Bible had been translated into 1739 languages and dialects which are spoken by 97 per cent of the world's population! What does the Bible say about this?

"Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world." (Ps. 19:2-4)

And what of the noise made by 'Johnny-Come-Lately's' like the humanistic theologians who call themselves 'The Jesus Seminar'?

LIKE THE PROVERBIAL STORY OF THE DOGS WHICH RUN AFTER THE CARAVAN...THE DOGS BARK, BUT THE CARAVAN MOVES ON!

THE BIBLE IS MORE SCIENTIFIC THAN MODERN SCIENCE

Dr. T.A. Pierson says, “There is a danger in pressing the words in the Bible into a positive announcement of scientific fact, so marvelous are some of these correspondences.

But it is certainly a curious fact that Solomon should use language entirely consistent with discoveries as EVAPORATION and STORM CURRENTS (1:6,7).

Some have boldly said that Redfield’s theory of storms is here explicitly stated. Without taking such ground, we ask, who taught Solomon to use terms that readily accommodate facts that the MOVEMENT OF THE WINDS which seem to be so lawless and uncertain, ARE RULED BY LAWS AS POSITIVE AS THOSE WHICH RULE THE GROWTH OF THE PLANT: and that by EVAPORATION, the waters that fall on the earth are continually rising again, so that the sea never overflows!

“Ecclesiastes 12:6 IS A POETIC DESCRIPTION OF DEATH. How the ‘SILVER CORD’ describes the spinal marrow, the ‘GOLDEN BOWL’ the basin which holds the brain, the ‘PITCHER’ the lungs, and the ‘WHEEL’ the heart. Without claiming that Solomon was inspired to foretell the CIRCULATION OF THE BLOOD, 26 centuries before Harvey announced it, is it not remarkable that the language he uses exactly suits the facts - A WHEEL PUMPING UP THROUGH ONE PIPE TO DISCHARGE THROUGH ANOTHER.”

Note: This column was carried by the Edmonton Sun & other magazines about 14 years ago (1986).

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I think you just opened a BIG can of worms [Big Grin] ...But I'm with you on this.

The prophecy of Daniel predicted the rise and fall of every great nation, the time of them, and even the names of them. That's all the proof I need. [Wink]

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biggest scam of all time...

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Oh crap, I'm crawling under my desk.

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“Ecclesiastes 12:6 IS A POETIC DESCRIPTION OF DEATH. How the ‘SILVER CORD’ describes the spinal marrow, the ‘GOLDEN BOWL’ the basin which holds the brain, the ‘PITCHER’ the lungs, and the ‘WHEEL’ the heart. Without claiming that Solomon was inspired to foretell the CIRCULATION OF THE BLOOD, 26 centuries before Harvey announced it, is it not remarkable that the language he uses exactly suits the facts - A WHEEL PUMPING UP THROUGH ONE PIPE TO DISCHARGE THROUGH ANOTHER.”


LOL...
all this demonstrates is that people weren't idiots when the Bible was written...

current western civilisation lays claim to alot of discoveries that just aren't that impressive...

any butcher knew the basic workings of the circulatory system 10,000 years ago...

The prophecy of Daniel predicted the rise and fall of every great nation, the time of them, and even the names of them. That's all the proof I need. ?

rubbish...

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Rubbish ?.....No, No my friend.
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the United States was not prophesied in the Bible...

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You never read the prophecy did you...The US wouldn't be in it.

Right now we're in the part of the prophecy where there will never be a single country or empire, that will rule the world, like rome, greece, Babylon, Media persia, ect.

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The prophecy of Daniel predicted the rise and fall of every great nation, the time of them, and even the names of them. That's all the proof I need. ?

those are the words you wrote:
it's rubbish...

i have read...

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There's no way to explain how the prophecy predicted the name of every world power, the time they would rule, and the time they would fall. Years before any of them existed.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
There's no way to explain how the prophecy predicted the name of every world power, the time they would rule, and the time they would fall. Years before any of them existed.

and of course your explanation of how the prophecy works is so complicated that it takes weeks to understand it...

i am somewhat familiar with your claim...

i've also read Nostradamus's supposed prophecies...
or should i say i've read a modern interpretaion of them...

more rubbish...

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No...the prophecy is easy to understand...

Here is a link explaining The prophecy of Daniel, just watch the first video "The Millenial Man" Watch the whole thing...It will blow your mind. I urge everyone to watch that video, "the millenial man"

http://amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp?tTitle=Millennium%20of%20Prop hecy

Here's other videos

http://amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp?tTitle=New%20Revelation

http://amazingfacts.org/media/everlasting_gospel.asp

http://amazingfacts.org/media/lesson_study/lesson_study.asp?tTitle=Central%20Stu dy%20Hour

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All Hail Miss Cleo. She might know what she's talking about too. LMAO. Plenty of people calim to know the furure, Nostradumbass was only one of them. The bible is probably the oldest version of, telling the future, that may be out there. All that the bible is, is an interpretation of Jesus, Period, if even.
Let us suppose that there was this guy walking around with 12 guys following him ( 1: today that would be considered a gang and the cops would bust everybody, 2: They might have been listening to "The Village People" CD's, in which case they better not pilgramage by a university campus)Apparently in that day and age the life expectancy was pretty short.
What are the odds of all of the deciples living long enough to contribute, from begining to end, to the bible? Also, what happened to each of them after the crucifiction? John the baptist sunk into a life af drugs and loose women? Luke became a Jedi?
I sure enjoyed "Dogma"

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Watch the video I posted, CottonJim
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watch the game instead and forget this no-win debate...

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Which one?

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"The Millenium Man" in the first link is the one I was talking about...But their all good. This guy is the best there is.

Also "the mystery of Israel" at this link. He just did it, because it is relevant to the situation now.

http://amazingfacts.org/media/everlasting_gospel.asp

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I will watch it ace. No time tonight, but I will. An open mind is they key to democracy (bdg, you can quote me on that, it's an original)and i love democracy.. or do I love repubracy?? Ah hell, pass me another beer.

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ace. i'm not about crtisizing people's faith...

but?

i have to tell you there is no proof, that's why we call it faith...

i too, have an open mind: for instance?

the first law of thermodynamics states that energy canot be lost or gained...

maybe Jesus was trying to teach us this? maybe life does follow that law as well? but we can't see it?

my point is? you have faith.. that has to be enough.. when you start trying to tell people you have proof? your message gets lost.. or worse? it becomes subject to ridicule.

maybe you can answer me why an omnipotent being would create diseases that kill babies? i can't fathom it...

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Disease wasn't in GOD's origianl plan, either was death or sin. The Bible answers these questions. This World we live in is not how it was created by GOD.

I said it was all the proof " I " need. You are correct, it is faith. I understand not everyone will believe, and I apprciate you politely disagreeing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Disease wasn't in GOD's origianl plan, either was death or sin. The Bible answers these questions. This World we live in is not how it was created by GOD.

I said it was all the proof " I " need. You are correct, it is faith. I understand not everyone will believe, and I apprciate you politely disagreeing.

yah well? i read the Bible and i am not satisfied with the sins of the fathers explanations...

i can accept sin, but not original sin...

my interpetation of original sin is knowledge...

and if knowledge is a gift? then why is it a sin too...

i don't expect you to answer... but i do expect you to question...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Disease wasn't in GOD's origianl plan, either was death or sin. The Bible answers these questions. This World we live in is not how it was created by GOD.

I said it was all the proof " I " need. You are correct, it is faith. I understand not everyone will believe, and I apprciate you politely disagreeing.

yah well? i read the Bible and i am not satisfied with the sins of the fathers explanations...

i can accept sin, but not original sin...

my interpetation of original sin is knowledge...

and if knowledge is a gift? then why is it a sin too...

i don't expect you to answer... but i do expect you to question...

Hey Glass...very interesting point you're making, something I've pondered for years. Most of my own Christian friends aren't deep enough to talk about this stuff with.

The actual "sin" of original sin is disobedience, not knowledge. God commanded them not to eat of the tree, and they did. The interesting part, which you touched on, is the tree that they were commanded not to eat from...the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil".

There's something to do with knowledge, or awareness, that God commanded them not to eat from that tree. Maybe eating from that tree would reveal something to them that God would not allow. Maybe something about Lucifer and his rise against God, who knows.

It's an interesting topic.

For the record, even as a Christian I'm not convinced that the Garden of Eden is/was a physical place.

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The Garden of Eden was a physical place. This is a Basic teaching.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
The Garden of Eden was a physical place. This is a Basic teaching.

its in my backyard...
this, is a certainty...anything else?..is hogwash

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There's something to do with knowledge, or awareness, that God commanded them not to eat from that tree. Maybe eating from that tree would reveal something to them that God would not allow. Maybe something about Lucifer and his rise against God, who knows.

my interpretatiton of the "knowledge of good and evil" is that IT is what makes us different from animals...

animals don't seem to "know" in general...
many, but not all people do and most don't seem to care...

how does the knowledge of good and evil come to us? thru the teachings of our elders? (i.e. the Bible?) or is it in our hearts?..

living in the garden of eden was idyllic? i doubt it..

it was a struggle for survival... see: a lion pride's social structure...
they shred each other at the dinner table...

learning how to develop a healthy, nurturing social order... that is the "knowlege of good and evil" as far as i am concerned..

the Bible accomplishes this, as do the other good religions...

the problems arise when religious teachings become tools of evil... i don't think i need to point them out.. we see plenty of examples..

Ace... why do you insist the Bible is all facts? to be honest i think that shows that you are seeking excuses to "prop" your faith on....

"I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world." (Matt. 13:35)

do you also beleive that there was really a fox that took a gingerbread man onto his back to cross a river?
there is deep truth in that story... a Fox is a Fox is a Fox... they will always be a Fox because that is what they are...

nobody thinks a gingerbread man got up and ran away.. but everybody knows foxes are sly..

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I think Christianity is all a bunch of malarkey.

Its purpose is to keep the sheeple in the flock.

The sad thing is, it works!

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:


The sad thing is, it works!

Hmmm...I wonder why???
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Because people are scared of the truth, in general.

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Maybe...just maybe...it is the truth eh?

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Not bloody likely. [Big Grin]

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If it isn't the truth...then what is? (please provide proof)

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Order up the buffalo wings and ice down the Milwaukee’s Best--it’s almost football season! And there’s no better place to play armchair quarterback than in the Golgotha La-Z-Boy.

The plush arm cuffs will crucify you in comfort, and the retractable footrest will support your feet with more ease than a nine-inch nail. I’m not sure if this particular model has a massage feature or built-in remote caddy, though.

I thought the greatest thing to happen to the classic recliner was Todd Oldham’s sassy new La-Z-Boy designs, but alas he has been one-upped by the son of God.


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More Pictures at Jesus of the Week!

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little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

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Is that your answer?

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No one knows what the truth is, (and I can prove it.)

Common sense dictates my belief that vast amounts of the Bible are hogwash, however.

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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a
little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

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Or...maybe it's your belief that dictates your common sense...

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