common we would have heard of the day it happened.
show me a link, and i dont want to see RB as the link
this looks like RB posts to me.
I will wait till i see the actual news that they are closed before i believe it.
its not over till the fat guy sings.
Rod
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Anyone take a guess what their daily expenses are? PALM SPRINGS, Calif., Jun 14, 2005 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Triangle Multi-Media, (Pink Sheets:QBID) announced today that the network will buy back 3% of its total outstanding shares. This buy back will begin immediately.
"Our financial consultants feel this buyback is the right move based upon the undervalued price per share," says Frank Olsen, President and CEO of Q Television Network.
"Market analysts have been quoted as saying the GLBT television market is worth 3 to 5 billion dollars, and we feel our current capitalization should be at least that," added Olsen.
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Wonder if they can still sell some DVD's.....oh yeah Frank knew he couldn't afford to pay the employees but he sent out Dvd's to shareholders...LOL
Q Television DVD Pre-Sales for EuroGames 2005 Exceeds Demand
By BusinessWire Last Update: 6/15/2005 11:45:02 AM Data provided by
UTRECHT, Netherlands, Jun 15, 2005 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Q Television Network (Pink Sheets: QBID) announced today that pre-sale orders of the EuroGames Utrecht 2005 DVDs, produced and owned exclusively by Q Television, have exceeded expected demand in Europe and the United States. The DVD, which will be priced based upon current market costs for each country, will be released upon completion of the games.
"The pre-sale orders for these DVDs in Europe and the U.S. have been spectacular. Our staff is receiving multiple orders every day, and the revenue generated from these DVDs will be much higher than originally expected. In Europe, EuroGames DVDs are sold for many years, allowing a collector to purchase EuroGames DVDs from previous years," said Rene Schenk, Chief Financial Officer, Q Television Network. "We are producing the DVDs to be seen in PAL as well as in NTSC so that everyone purchasing the DVD will be able to view it properly."
About The EuroGames Utrecht 2005: The EuroGames are the high-quality sports and cultural event of the gay & lesbian community in Europe. The city of Utrecht, in the Netherlands, hosts the 10th European Gay and Lesbian Multi-Sports Championships from June 16th through the 19th, 2005. Utrecht is convinced it will meet the standards of the European Gay and Lesbian Sport Federation -- EGLSF. EuroGames Utrecht 2005 will embody major events: a four-day sports competition programme, a one-week cultural festival, and other festivities. All totaled, EuroGames Utrecht 2005 will welcome some 3,000 participants and 15,000 spectators in Utrecht.
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quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: From a Pro Q supporter. I have hinted for weeks that subsriber numbers through various contacts were low. I did not expect this low. Take this as you may.
By: illuminati2012 04 Feb 2006, 05:41 PM EST Msg. 1147317 of 1147474 Jump to msg. # Serious post guys...
Yes.....we better all sell
QTN's finances have been critical for a couple months now. Many cutbacks were done and have continued, to conserve capital. QTN is short staffed to produce and edit their programming. In addition, some on air talent and more off air staff were let go two weeks ago.
For months, QTN has been getting e-mails from subscribers, some kind, some irate, about the programming quality. Many have cancelled their subscription and expressed their regret, because they felt a great opportunity for GLBT programming was not attained.
Some staff, let go two weeks ago are still owed money by QTN. I assume you now know, the salaried employees were not paid yesterday and are now promised to be paid this Monday. The level of frustration and disappointment is at an all time high, right now, with the remaining talent and staff. Most never received the stock they were promised upon their coming to work for QTN.
Bottom line, it has now come to a head, after months of budget tightening, layoffs, frustration. Expect to see defections this week if salaries are not met. Expectations are low, considering how things have gone at QTN of late.
Most at QTN, felt what Frank attempted, could have worked, but the financial constraints have been with QTN since the beginning. Frank has never had the capital to have QTN succeed and has remained too stubborn or unable to do otherwise.
Frank sincerely thought QTN would take off quickly and capital would not be an issue. Support he counted on did not materialize and as we all know too well, what QTN was to become quickly, never has.
Most at QTN want this to work, are holding out hope, but given what they have been through, don't have much hope left. Frank won't tell any of the QTN staff or talent how many subscribers QTN has, so they don't have too high expectations. Seriously, they all think it's around 800 subscribers.
Frank has been told many times, by numerous staff and talent, LOGO and HERE are weak and and could easily be swept aside by QTN. But Frank did not, or could not take advantage in a timely manner. Now it looks like time is, or has run out.
Monday will indeed be interesting. It looks like Monday is 4th and long for QTN with little time on the clock. Apparently QTN needs a 1st down Monday, in hopes of a chance of sudden death overtime, with the Gay Games.
No I think they nay have maybe 200 subs...LOL
Q Television Live Marathon Telecast-A Huge Success
By PrimeZone Last Update: 6/28/2005 2:06:28 PM Data provided by
PALM SPRINGS, Calif., Jun 28, 2005 (PRIMEZONE via COMTEX) -- Q Television Network (Pink Sheets:QBID), the television network for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered community, hosted a never before feat with the success of its 24-hour live marathon telecast this past weekend.
The live marathon was telecast from 6 cities across the nation -- San Francisco, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Honolulu and Houston -- and brought 6 gay pride parades to life for its television audience. The network even covered the gay pride parade in Germany, which they had previously taped. The live marathon was produced, written, and directed by Scott Withers, former writer/producer of CNN, with assistance from Alexis Fish, award winning television and movie producer, Wanda Silva, former news reporter for the Telemundo network, as well as a long list of talented and accomplished producers.
The celebration was hosted by Q Television's dynamic talent pool, led by On Q Live's co-hosts: Scott Withers, Jack E. Jett, Chrisanne Eastwood, and Cassian Bernard; Queer Eye for the Straight Girl's Honey Labrador and Robbie Laughlin; plus Nick Oram, the host of one of the network's signature series, Q On the Move; former Massachusetts Senator Cheryl Jacques; former U.S. Women's Soccer Team member Saskia Webber; Chris Jones; Joe Beachley; and others.
"This was a huge undertaking for Q Television and our programming arm, Firestone Communications," said Frank Olsen, President and CEO of Q Television Network. "I would like to thank Scott Withers, the rest of the Q Television family, our production crews, Firestone Communications, and all of our talented hosts, without whom this would not have been possible. Q Television will be the gateway for the GLBT community, and our 24-hour live shoot is proof of that."
During the marathon telecast, Q Television had many giveaways. A 2005 Toyota Scion was given away in a drawing in San Francisco, and a 2005 Mercury Mountaineer was awarded in Boston, the week prior. The network also gave away trips to Hawaii and Las Vegas. Fifty lucky winners will be awarded trips to the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago. Q Television received over ten thousand sweepstakes entries. This huge response clearly shows the appeal of the network as Q's representatives averaged over 40 entries per person, per hour.
The network has received numerous congratulatory calls from viewers on the success of the 24-hour non-stop telecast. One RCN subscriber from Queens, NY, said, "Q Television's live marathon was captivating. I couldn't turn the channel. I was very pleased to see the professionalism in the filming and the talent. This was a ground breaking event for the gay community. Q Television is bridging the gay communities across the country."
Also this weekend, Q Television was represented on a panel at PROMAX&BDA, the world's largest non-profit organization dedicated to marketing, promotional and design executives working in television and other electronic media. A member of the Q Television marketing team was on a panel discussing Gay Television. The network also gave away a trip for two to the Gay Games. The winner was Rob Stern, a television network creative executive and a subscriber to Time Warner Cable in New York City.
I wonder why it all turned around for the worse? LOL
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I think they must all be stockholders..... I know I went to the site 10 times daily so that just leaves 5000 other stockholders doing the same. give me a sec.,
If their are just 10,000 stockholders with 50bil. O/S that leaves $500 worth for each stockholder.....hmmm, I know if good knews comes out no-one would buy especially if the price starts going up...Lol, and I know no-one here told any family and friends about this stock? LoL The stock will never move with an audit of a break-even Co. headed to another exchange(fully reporting.LMFAO Frank wouldn't want to make that much money......we all know this is just a shell...LOL
Q Television's Website Exceeds 1.5 Million Hits Per Month
By BusinessWire Last Update: 5/11/2005 3:58:02 PM Data provided by
PALM SPRINGS, Calif., May 11, 2005 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Q Television Network (Pink Sheets: QBID) announced today that its website is receiving more than 1.5 million hits per month from potential subscribers requesting that their local cable or satellite carrier air the Q Television Network.
"Our current subscriber base is rapidly spreading the word about our network throughout the gay and lesbian community. The number of hits our website is receiving validates the huge demand for Q," says Frank Olsen, President and CEO of Q Television Network. "In spite of the many lifestyle networks to choose from, the gay and lesbian demographic has not been met, and Q Television is filling that void with a network devoted to this underserved population."
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MT....I see why you're pissed, sold and lost 3 grand..LOL I lost 20k....it was profit $$ but still a loss,just not a tax write off.
Originally posted by pennnies: MT you get a fill yet??? some sells for ya.. lol --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ahahahhaahha nope not yet, startin to get antzy now with close approaching!! i thought i had it in those sells just right there, but its gotta be MM transfering shares between accounts...14 minutes in counting!!you see a 2.3M print at .0013 yell for me would ya!or a print that adds up to 2.3M!
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Good morning and Happy Superbowl Sunday to everyone. Since it seems everyone is posting Raging Bull negatives here, I figured I would post a Raging Bull positive. Take it for what its worth.
By: flock_me_hard 04 Feb 2006, 11:13 PM EST Msg. 1147453 of 1147466 Jump to msg. # 1554 talked to Frank Olsen at 1-760-323-4455 Ext201 I was about to leave a message about Audit numbers possible coming out on Monday for a release when, Mr. Olsen picked up his line.
He sounded like he was in a good mood to say the least. I figured I would ask several Questions and see if he would answer any of them.
I asked about Audit numbers and if we would see them soon? He replied very soon. I asked what very soon meant to him for soon on Oct 19 was worded weeks away. He said very soon and they were better than he expected. He said we are very close to break even at this time and that is a big step for Q Television.
I asked why the Press Release ref. 2 week break was removed?
He said the staff has been worked around the clock for the last year and no one has had a vacation or a weekend off. The staff needs a break before the games because he see's no breaks until the games are over.
I asked If I bought QBID if I owned the same company that his perferred shares were part of?
Yes if you buy QBID stock you own the Q Television network and all assests that have been purchased as explained in several press releases. Anyone who says you do not own the same shares in the same company that QBID trades under is dishonest. He said everything about Q Television is under the stock QBID.
I asked why is the share price is so low. Frank said Q Television has come along ways in the last 2 years from nothing to the premire GLTB channel of choice. If investors and the market place want to place a low value on the company at this time that is fine for I have said those who hold will be paid when Q breaks even and Frank gets paid for all he money he has invested in the company and that is right around the corner.
At this time Frank told me he had to take another phone call and was gone.
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I just got off the phone with a lady that used to date a girl that grew up across the street from the guy that married the girl that trained the girl that waited on the guy that washed Frank's car in high school and they said that they heard from someone that had seen Frank in 1996 at a theater and he said that he expected to create a sports television network and have it up and running by 1999, but if that failed he would probabaly just make a gay network instead but either way he went he still remembered his astrologer told him in junior high that anything he did would break even by 2007 as long as he never released an audit to the public.
Now it all makes sense to me.
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quote:Originally posted by Ligge: I just got off the phone with a lady that used to date a girl that grew up across the street from the guy that married the girl that trained the girl that waited on the guy that washed Frank's car in high school and they said that they heard from someone that had seen Frank in 1996 at a theater and he said that he expected to create a sports television network and have it up and running by 1999, but if that failed he would probabaly just make a gay network instead but either way he went he still remembered his astrologer told him in junior high that anything he did would break even by 2007 as long as he never released an audit to the public.
Now it all makes sense to me.
Ok, I take it back. Maybe your dad would win!
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Wow.. From what I read, it looks like the end of QTN is at hand. I don't know what to beleive. Either way, I am going to try to sell half my 20 millions shares of QBID next week at .0002. Of course 6 mill of those I got at .0001 and 4 mill at .0002. I doubt that I will be able to sell them, but if I can, then that will leave me with 10 mill shares left. So, if a miracle does happen, then I still might break even. Unfortunately, those 10 mill are in my IRA that I bought at .005, so there is no hope of any recovery for those shares if no miracle happens.
I guess we have to realize when it is time to move on. Already gave 3 years to QBID with no reward.
Good luck to all.
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But why are you dragging this garbage over here? There is no links, no credibility, and no proof. Those are some of the things we all ask for legitimacy of a post including yourself. Everyone shoots holes in DJ for his posts and then you repost this kind of nonsense? You have paranoia some one is giving you death threats, what next? Now don't get me wrong but you seem to have gone postal for some reason.
Rods pay line says it all "don't invest more than you can afford to lose". No one really knows why the price is where it is, except speculation. The only way you are going to get some answers is to get into Q and see for yourself.
If you have ants in your pants like you have had lately, that should be enough of an incentive to take a legal route to see what Q has.
As for IMAK and Doc, they did what they did and have accomplished more than most on this board including myself and took the first jump with both feet. Did they get stone walled? Very good possibility. I for one do not want to see either of them end up in court just for saying something they shouldn't for the sake of a few posters that are not willing to follow in their foot steps.
So what if Q is not is not accepting registered mail. There is more than one way to skin a cat if you are that desperate to see the books. Doc already proved a point when he called everyone on the boards to plug Q’s phone lines. They got entry. It shows we can all work together when needed.
Now just because they are not saying what you need to hear, they did say some things that many did not listen to. Read their posts. Think like a lawyer (twisted and demented). Now I am not sure how much you have wrapped up in this but, I too own a fare amount as well and have learned not to go postal except for G, but he’s considered a community secret agent toy. Many valid points have been made here such as “Frank is always being late”. With the amount of carriers and who those carriers are, do not think for a split second the lawyers from those companies could not see a scam coming a mile away. Dam right they would.
The lawyers from those companies would have trashed Q by now if that was the case. Where is the audit? Who the hell knows at the moment. It will have to be a good one if Q is to be sold and we do know one thing is for sure “Frank is greedy” and will not be undersold.
All pinks are a risk. This is a company struggling for a first time market and we all agree on that. Many want money overnight. Not going to happen. That is a reality check. If that is what you where counting on, you put your chips down on the wrong company.
Before you completely lose yourself, take a break from the boards and go for a walk and think about the other things in life. You’re a good guy and have friends on this board. Don’t screw that up for the sake of a mild break down.
Chin up and smile! It doesn’t hurt!
quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: From a Pro Q supporter. I have hinted for weeks that subsriber numbers through various contacts were low. I did not expect this low. Take this as you may.
By: illuminati2012 04 Feb 2006, 05:41 PM EST Msg. 1147317 of 1147474 Jump to msg. # Serious post guys...
QTN's finances have been critical for a couple months now. Many cutbacks were done and have continued, to conserve capital. QTN is short staffed to produce and edit their programming. In addition, some on air talent and more off air staff were let go two weeks ago.
For months, QTN has been getting e-mails from subscribers, some kind, some irate, about the programming quality. Many have cancelled their subscription and expressed their regret, because they felt a great opportunity for GLBT programming was not attained.
Some staff, let go two weeks ago are still owed money by QTN. I assume you now know, the salaried employees were not paid yesterday and are now promised to be paid this Monday. The level of frustration and disappointment is at an all time high, right now, with the remaining talent and staff. Most never received the stock they were promised upon their coming to work for QTN.
Bottom line, it has now come to a head, after months of budget tightening, layoffs, frustration. Expect to see defections this week if salaries are not met. Expectations are low, considering how things have gone at QTN of late.
Most at QTN, felt what Frank attempted, could have worked, but the financial constraints have been with QTN since the beginning. Frank has never had the capital to have QTN succeed and has remained too stubborn or unable to do otherwise.
Frank sincerely thought QTN would take off quickly and capital would not be an issue. Support he counted on did not materialize and as we all know too well, what QTN was to become quickly, never has.
Most at QTN want this to work, are holding out hope, but given what they have been through, don't have much hope left. Frank won't tell any of the QTN staff or talent how many subscribers QTN has, so they don't have too high expectations. Seriously, they all think it's around 800 subscribers.
Frank has been told many times, by numerous staff and talent, LOGO and HERE are weak and and could easily be swept aside by QTN. But Frank did not, or could not take advantage in a timely manner. Now it looks like time is, or has run out.
Monday will indeed be interesting. It looks like Monday is 4th and long for QTN with little time on the clock. Apparently QTN needs a 1st down Monday, in hopes of a chance of sudden death overtime, with the Gay Games.
quote:Originally posted by Ligge: I just got off the phone with a lady that used to date a girl that grew up across the street from the guy that married the girl that trained the girl that waited on the guy that washed Frank's car in high school and they said that they heard from someone that had seen Frank in 1996 at a theater and he said that he expected to create a sports television network and have it up and running by 1999, but if that failed he would probabaly just make a gay network instead but either way he went he still remembered his astrologer told him in junior high that anything he did would break even by 2007 as long as he never released an audit to the public.
Now it all makes sense to me.
Ligge Finally ... some solid DD I can digest and act on.
But seriously ... if I thought you were reporting information you believed to be "true", I also would believe it. Because that is what DD is all about ... if I cannot verify the data, I verify the source.
Now, consider this: Would you rather believe a lie from a truly honest person or a fact from a proven liar? (This is brain-teaser, not a contest. No prizes will be awarded.)
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Nice post! The ultimate catch 22 no matter how you look at it. Different scinario of the boy who cried wolf. LOL!
quote:Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:Originally posted by Ligge: I just got off the phone with a lady that used to date a girl that grew up across the street from the guy that married the girl that trained the girl that waited on the guy that washed Frank's car in high school and they said that they heard from someone that had seen Frank in 1996 at a theater and he said that he expected to create a sports television network and have it up and running by 1999, but if that failed he would probabaly just make a gay network instead but either way he went he still remembered his astrologer told him in junior high that anything he did would break even by 2007 as long as he never released an audit to the public.
Now it all makes sense to me.
Ligge Finally ... some solid DD I can digest and act on.
But seriously ... if I thought you were reporting information you believed to be "true", I also would believe it. Because that is what DD is all about ... if I cannot verify the data, I verify the source.
Now, consider this: Would you rather believe a lie from a truly honest person or a fact from a proven liar? (This is brain-teaser, not a contest. No prizes will be awarded.)
quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: From a Pro Q supporter. I have hinted for weeks that subsriber numbers through various contacts were low. I did not expect this low. Take this as you may.
By: illuminati2012 04 Feb 2006, 05:41 PM EST Msg. 1147317 of 1147474 Jump to msg. # Serious post guys...
QTN's finances have been critical for a couple months now. Many cutbacks were done and have continued, to conserve capital. QTN is short staffed to produce and edit their programming. In addition, some on air talent and more off air staff were let go two weeks ago.
For months, QTN has been getting e-mails from subscribers, some kind, some irate, about the programming quality. Many have cancelled their subscription and expressed their regret, because they felt a great opportunity for GLBT programming was not attained.
Some staff, let go two weeks ago are still owed money by QTN. I assume you now know, the salaried employees were not paid yesterday and are now promised to be paid this Monday. The level of frustration and disappointment is at an all time high, right now, with the remaining talent and staff. Most never received the stock they were promised upon their coming to work for QTN.
Bottom line, it has now come to a head, after months of budget tightening, layoffs, frustration. Expect to see defections this week if salaries are not met. Expectations are low, considering how things have gone at QTN of late.
Most at QTN, felt what Frank attempted, could have worked, but the financial constraints have been with QTN since the beginning. Frank has never had the capital to have QTN succeed and has remained too stubborn or unable to do otherwise.
Frank sincerely thought QTN would take off quickly and capital would not be an issue. Support he counted on did not materialize and as we all know too well, what QTN was to become quickly, never has.
Most at QTN want this to work, are holding out hope, but given what they have been through, don't have much hope left. Frank won't tell any of the QTN staff or talent how many subscribers QTN has, so they don't have too high expectations. Seriously, they all think it's around 800 subscribers.
Frank has been told many times, by numerous staff and talent, LOGO and HERE are weak and and could easily be swept aside by QTN. But Frank did not, or could not take advantage in a timely manner. Now it looks like time is, or has run out.
Monday will indeed be interesting. It looks like Monday is 4th and long for QTN with little time on the clock. Apparently QTN needs a 1st down Monday, in hopes of a chance of sudden death overtime, with the Gay Games.
800 subs..you're kidding right.
along with the US don't we have select tv that covers australia and new zealand?
so in 14 us markets and australia and new zealand we have 50 subs in each market..far fetched IMO
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quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: No offence MT,
But why are you dragging this garbage over here? There is no links, no credibility, and no proof. Those are some of the things we all ask for legitimacy of a post including yourself. Everyone shoots holes in DJ for his posts and then you repost this kind of nonsense? You have paranoia some one is giving you death threats, what next? Now don't get me wrong but you seem to have gone postal for some reason.
Rods pay line says it all "don't invest more than you can afford to lose". No one really knows why the price is where it is, except speculation. The only way you are going to get some answers is to get into Q and see for yourself.
If you have ants in your pants like you have had lately, that should be enough of an incentive to take a legal route to see what Q has.
As for IMAK and Doc, they did what they did and have accomplished more than most on this board including myself and took the first jump with both feet. Did they get stone walled? Very good possibility. I for one do not want to see either of them end up in court just for saying something they shouldn't for the sake of a few posters that are not willing to follow in their foot steps.
So what if Q is not is not accepting registered mail. There is more than one way to skin a cat if you are that desperate to see the books. Doc already proved a point when he called everyone on the boards to plug Q’s phone lines. They got entry. It shows we can all work together when needed.
Now just because they are not saying what you need to hear, they did say some things that many did not listen to. Read their posts. Think like a lawyer (twisted and demented). Now I am not sure how much you have wrapped up in this but, I too own a fare amount as well and have learned not to go postal except for G, but he’s considered a community secret agent toy. Many valid points have been made here such as “Frank is always being late”. With the amount of carriers and who those carriers are, do not think for a split second the lawyers from those companies could not see a scam coming a mile away. Dam right they would.
The lawyers from those companies would have trashed Q by now if that was the case. Where is the audit? Who the hell knows at the moment. It will have to be a good one if Q is to be sold and we do know one thing is for sure “Frank is greedy” and will not be undersold.
All pinks are a risk. This is a company struggling for a first time market and we all agree on that. Many want money overnight. Not going to happen. That is a reality check. If that is what you where counting on, you put your chips down on the wrong company.
Before you completely lose yourself, take a break from the boards and go for a walk and think about the other things in life. You’re a good guy and have friends on this board. Don’t screw that up for the sake of a mild break down.
Chin up and smile! It doesn’t hurt!
quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: From a Pro Q supporter. I have hinted for weeks that subsriber numbers through various contacts were low. I did not expect this low. Take this as you may.
By: illuminati2012 04 Feb 2006, 05:41 PM EST Msg. 1147317 of 1147474 Jump to msg. # Serious post guys...
QTN's finances have been critical for a couple months now. Many cutbacks were done and have continued, to conserve capital. QTN is short staffed to produce and edit their programming. In addition, some on air talent and more off air staff were let go two weeks ago.
For months, QTN has been getting e-mails from subscribers, some kind, some irate, about the programming quality. Many have cancelled their subscription and expressed their regret, because they felt a great opportunity for GLBT programming was not attained.
Some staff, let go two weeks ago are still owed money by QTN. I assume you now know, the salaried employees were not paid yesterday and are now promised to be paid this Monday. The level of frustration and disappointment is at an all time high, right now, with the remaining talent and staff. Most never received the stock they were promised upon their coming to work for QTN.
Bottom line, it has now come to a head, after months of budget tightening, layoffs, frustration. Expect to see defections this week if salaries are not met. Expectations are low, considering how things have gone at QTN of late.
Most at QTN, felt what Frank attempted, could have worked, but the financial constraints have been with QTN since the beginning. Frank has never had the capital to have QTN succeed and has remained too stubborn or unable to do otherwise.
Frank sincerely thought QTN would take off quickly and capital would not be an issue. Support he counted on did not materialize and as we all know too well, what QTN was to become quickly, never has.
Most at QTN want this to work, are holding out hope, but given what they have been through, don't have much hope left. Frank won't tell any of the QTN staff or talent how many subscribers QTN has, so they don't have too high expectations. Seriously, they all think it's around 800 subscribers.
Frank has been told many times, by numerous staff and talent, LOGO and HERE are weak and and could easily be swept aside by QTN. But Frank did not, or could not take advantage in a timely manner. Now it looks like time is, or has run out.
Monday will indeed be interesting. It looks like Monday is 4th and long for QTN with little time on the clock. Apparently QTN needs a 1st down Monday, in hopes of a chance of sudden death overtime, with the Gay Games.
buckwheat, thanks for the words of advice. Honest to god, i will say this again, seriously, i lost about 7500. That is alot of money. i have a job this summer schulded to work on Bay street in toronto with RBC capital markets, for 28 dollars an hour. I am hoping to make about 10-15000 this summer. I also have a job at abercrombie currently. My bills each month run at about 100-200. I did not lose more money than i can afford. Yes i would have rather kept that money, but no i lost it.
Seriously, trust me on that. In fact i have come to grips with it. Really i never used the money, so i defintely wont have a change of lifestyle. For god sakes, i got my entire life ahead of me. Hopefully working with a brokerage house. So plesae guys, stop saying that i am going crazy for loosing to much money.
Yes that was a RB post. I never said it was the truth, in fact i said take it as you may. I brought the guy hardlucks post over about the studios being shutdown, the day before it happened. I got bashed and said "thats a RB post, stop postin that crap MT. youve gone crazy, whats your problem MT." Well, guess what he knew what happened.
And again about Imakmoney and Doc. First off, i never said anything bad about either of them. never. i never asked for any information. I was not screwed about getting information. What i did buckwheatbob, is simply ask imakmoney for a couple days if he could back up his pumps. And look im not the only one that thinks that. The entire IHUB says that they would never allow for them two to do what they did over here. (dont say MT i dont care about IHUB becasue they are in the same situation).
Let me shorten this up. What i did not like about IMAKMONEY is he had very serious pumps. He was giving false hope to people. i bet you 50% of this board bought more because of what he said when he got back and 90% got excited for something big in the making. Now the studios are being shut down because they cant pay for employees. I just simply wanted to know if IMAKMONEY knew enough to state quotes like "id be buying if you can afford to loose the money." And "just remember i have only told you 15% of what i know wink wink"
So buckwheat, yes people have taken my words out of context, and we went off on a tangent yesterday. All i wanted was for IMAKMONEY to respond to that simple answer and thats when he went off on me threatening me.
And please buckwheat, because you didnt really know the situation that is going on, plesae do not talk about me. Saying i have ants in my pants and that i just wanted them to tell me everything thats why im pissed. Well your wrong so please dont talk about me.
The threat was made to big of a deal, and i was not paranoid, there was a threat.
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quote:Originally posted by Wangdo: and the Q site has removed the pr stating the hiatus [/QB]
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I am not surprised that the pr stating the hiatus was removed from the Q site. In fact, I am more surprised that it was put up there in the first place. I am no expert in media, broadcasting, etc. but I don't ever recall any TV/Radio station stating to shareholders that they were shutting down production for any amount of time. They simply run pre-recorded shows or reruns. My opinion and observation only.
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quote:Originally posted by Ligge: I just got off the phone with a lady that used to date a girl that grew up across the street from the guy that married the girl that trained the girl that waited on the guy that washed Frank's car in high school and they said that they heard from someone that had seen Frank in 1996 at a theater and he said that he expected to create a sports television network and have it up and running by 1999, but if that failed he would probabaly just make a gay network instead but either way he went he still remembered his astrologer told him in junior high that anything he did would break even by 2007 as long as he never released an audit to the public.
Now it all makes sense to me.
Thanks Ligge... Finally someone gets it right!
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Ants in your pants is just an expression and not to be taken out of context. If I have something to say, I will just say it. One day we will get together for a beer. I am just north of Newmarket,just a stone throw away. No harm done to anyone, tenion is building and yes you are right, that is a lot of money. But don't let that get to you.
Stress is a number one killer oir at least one of them in today's fast and furious world. Well, it's snowing like hell up here and my sled is screaming to be ridden. Going out for the first ride of the season. If you would like me to call you later, pm me with a number you can be reached at.Back later.
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quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: No offence MT,
But why are you dragging this garbage over here? There is no links, no credibility, and no proof. Those are some of the things we all ask for legitimacy of a post including yourself. Everyone shoots holes in DJ for his posts and then you repost this kind of nonsense? You have paranoia some one is giving you death threats, what next? Now don't get me wrong but you seem to have gone postal for some reason.
Rods pay line says it all "don't invest more than you can afford to lose". No one really knows why the price is where it is, except speculation. The only way you are going to get some answers is to get into Q and see for yourself.
If you have ants in your pants like you have had lately, that should be enough of an incentive to take a legal route to see what Q has.
As for IMAK and Doc, they did what they did and have accomplished more than most on this board including myself and took the first jump with both feet. Did they get stone walled? Very good possibility. I for one do not want to see either of them end up in court just for saying something they shouldn't for the sake of a few posters that are not willing to follow in their foot steps.
So what if Q is not is not accepting registered mail. There is more than one way to skin a cat if you are that desperate to see the books. Doc already proved a point when he called everyone on the boards to plug Q’s phone lines. They got entry. It shows we can all work together when needed.
Now just because they are not saying what you need to hear, they did say some things that many did not listen to. Read their posts. Think like a lawyer (twisted and demented). Now I am not sure how much you have wrapped up in this but, I too own a fare amount as well and have learned not to go postal except for G, but he’s considered a community secret agent toy. Many valid points have been made here such as “Frank is always being late”. With the amount of carriers and who those carriers are, do not think for a split second the lawyers from those companies could not see a scam coming a mile away. Dam right they would.
The lawyers from those companies would have trashed Q by now if that was the case. Where is the audit? Who the hell knows at the moment. It will have to be a good one if Q is to be sold and we do know one thing is for sure “Frank is greedy” and will not be undersold.
All pinks are a risk. This is a company struggling for a first time market and we all agree on that. Many want money overnight. Not going to happen. That is a reality check. If that is what you where counting on, you put your chips down on the wrong company.
Before you completely lose yourself, take a break from the boards and go for a walk and think about the other things in life. You’re a good guy and have friends on this board. Don’t screw that up for the sake of a mild break down.
Chin up and smile! It doesn’t hurt!
quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: From a Pro Q supporter. I have hinted for weeks that subsriber numbers through various contacts were low. I did not expect this low. Take this as you may.
By: illuminati2012 04 Feb 2006, 05:41 PM EST Msg. 1147317 of 1147474 Jump to msg. # Serious post guys...
QTN's finances have been critical for a couple months now. Many cutbacks were done and have continued, to conserve capital. QTN is short staffed to produce and edit their programming. In addition, some on air talent and more off air staff were let go two weeks ago.
For months, QTN has been getting e-mails from subscribers, some kind, some irate, about the programming quality. Many have cancelled their subscription and expressed their regret, because they felt a great opportunity for GLBT programming was not attained.
Some staff, let go two weeks ago are still owed money by QTN. I assume you now know, the salaried employees were not paid yesterday and are now promised to be paid this Monday. The level of frustration and disappointment is at an all time high, right now, with the remaining talent and staff. Most never received the stock they were promised upon their coming to work for QTN.
Bottom line, it has now come to a head, after months of budget tightening, layoffs, frustration. Expect to see defections this week if salaries are not met. Expectations are low, considering how things have gone at QTN of late.
Most at QTN, felt what Frank attempted, could have worked, but the financial constraints have been with QTN since the beginning. Frank has never had the capital to have QTN succeed and has remained too stubborn or unable to do otherwise.
Frank sincerely thought QTN would take off quickly and capital would not be an issue. Support he counted on did not materialize and as we all know too well, what QTN was to become quickly, never has.
Most at QTN want this to work, are holding out hope, but given what they have been through, don't have much hope left. Frank won't tell any of the QTN staff or talent how many subscribers QTN has, so they don't have too high expectations. Seriously, they all think it's around 800 subscribers.
Frank has been told many times, by numerous staff and talent, LOGO and HERE are weak and and could easily be swept aside by QTN. But Frank did not, or could not take advantage in a timely manner. Now it looks like time is, or has run out.
Monday will indeed be interesting. It looks like Monday is 4th and long for QTN with little time on the clock. Apparently QTN needs a 1st down Monday, in hopes of a chance of sudden death overtime, with the Gay Games.
buckwheat, thanks for the words of advice. Honest to god, i will say this again, seriously, i lost about 7500. That is alot of money. i have a job this summer schulded to work on Bay street in toronto with RBC capital markets, for 28 dollars an hour. I am hoping to make about 10-15000 this summer. I also have a job at abercrombie currently. My bills each month run at about 100-200. I did not lose more money than i can afford. Yes i would have rather kept that money, but no i lost it.
Seriously, trust me on that. In fact i have come to grips with it. Really i never used the money, so i defintely wont have a change of lifestyle. For god sakes, i got my entire life ahead of me. Hopefully working with a brokerage house. So plesae guys, stop saying that i am going crazy for loosing to much money.
Yes that was a RB post. I never said it was the truth, in fact i said take it as you may. I brought the guy hardlucks post over about the studios being shutdown, the day before it happened. I got bashed and said "thats a RB post, stop postin that crap MT. youve gone crazy, whats your problem MT." Well, guess what he knew what happened.
And again about Imakmoney and Doc. First off, i never said anything bad about either of them. never. i never asked for any information. I was not screwed about getting information. What i did buckwheatbob, is simply ask imakmoney for a couple days if he could back up his pumps. And look im not the only one that thinks that. The entire IHUB says that they would never allow for them two to do what they did over here. (dont say MT i dont care about IHUB becasue they are in the same situation).
Let me shorten this up. What i did not like about IMAKMONEY is he had very serious pumps. He was giving false hope to people. i bet you 50% of this board bought more because of what he said when he got back and 90% got excited for something big in the making. Now the studios are being shut down because they cant pay for employees. I just simply wanted to know if IMAKMONEY knew enough to state quotes like "id be buying if you can afford to loose the money." And "just remember i have only told you 15% of what i know wink wink"
So buckwheat, yes people have taken my words out of context, and we went off on a tangent yesterday. All i wanted was for IMAKMONEY to respond to that simple answer and thats when he went off on me threatening me.
And please buckwheat, because you didnt really know the situation that is going on, plesae do not talk about me. Saying i have ants in my pants and that i just wanted them to tell me everything thats why im pissed. Well your wrong so please dont talk about me.
The threat was made to big of a deal, and i was not paranoid, there was a threat.
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: ... the boy who cried wolf.
buck Taking this one step further ... I wonder how many Q shareholders would be smiling instead of frowning if they didn't read message boards?
I am not suggesting that message boards are bad or that all messages are either false or negative. I am just pointing out that many message board posters do not let facts stand in the way of a good rumor ... and that one message board "falsehood" can offset many factual PRs issued by the company.
Solid DD requires digesting all information from all sources ... and digesting information means separating proven facts from unproven opinions or rumors ... and only proven facts should be further digested into decisions and subsequent actions.
My best "guesstimate" is that posts on stock message boards are divided as follows: 10% offtopic comments (no real value) 10% jokes/attempted humor (no real value) 10% socializing (no real value) 10% "what if" opinions (no real value) 10% "I'm pretty sure" opinions (no real value) 10% "I'm absolutely sure" opinions (no real value) 10% rumors (no real value) 10% total lies (no real value) 10% total scams (no real value) 10% absolutely proven fact (some value).
And the rest is all crap.
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We have come to yet another interesting moment in the continuing saga of Q. Life seems to come in waves of good, bad and indifferent or uncertain. Many years ago I learned the “reasonable man theory”. That is, what would a reasonable man do about the situation at hand. And yes, there are as many variations of reasonable as there are of men. I’ve also learned to step back and look at a situation from other perspectives and styles, ie. Franks style of investor communications is different than mine. I also try to respect others and their views, although I’m, as we all are, still human. Now after all this being said, I would like to express the way I see some of our recent developments from my little window on the universe.
Daddy Warbucks DIED! Oh my God! (Repeat 2 or 3 times and then stick finger down throat to simulate gagging). Frank has stated that every month he writes a check for $200k and that there are a number of others also writing checks. This person that died is NOT the only one backing Q. In addition, Q has assets that can easily be encumbered, most notably is the film library worth “several hundred million dollars”. Frank has stated that he can borrow 30% of the assets of QTN. I’m going to take a “wild donkey” guess and say that Frank could borrow $100M. Gosh! I wonder if there would be any left over to buy QBID shares? Anyway, TMM probably has all their principal players covered with Key Man Insurance. That way IF anyone dies the company is covered, a normal business practice. If there were a problem, it would be just a speed bump in the road of life. What was a sudden *********** turns out to be a little footnote.
They’re SHUTTING QTN DOWN!!! There seems to be some kind of a very strange coincidence that QTN is “retooling” for 2 weeks -- and -- (by blind luck) the QTN people involved with the Gay Games found some tickets for the Super Bowl. IMO: brilliant just BRILLIANT. This shows me that the powers to be at QTN are smart and that they have excellent planning and coordinating skills. They have taken a couple of weeks to remake the studio. I understand that the studio was at over capacity. QTN is about to debut a handful of new shows. Their offices were cramped and even doubled up. This remake will take full advantage of their space and operate the studio at max capability and efficiency. The Super Bowl is a wonderful and opportune event for QTN to have. They can use it as a simulator and make a dry run. This will yield huge dividends for Q and its Gay Games audience.
Frank LIED again!!! He led us to believe that a large telephony company would have us on their new network LAST FALL!!! Only the bashers accept a time frame to be hard and fast. Business is business is business. It is NORMAL and EXPECTED that relative timeframes in business can, and usually do, run late. In addition, Frank always runs late and we all know that! Just ask your local DVD IF you are lucky enough to have one. I still don’t.
This Verizon contract is nothing less than Jurassic! The list of currently available service areas is huge and expanding every day. I talked with a friend in Tampa and she said that Verizon was installing the fiber optic cable behind her house as we talked. Also, their reps have been to her door 3 times in 2 days selling the service. In one day we probably doubled the number of potential subscribers. The FiOS subscriber base is growing every day and will for the next couple of years or more. They are currently installing FiOS into 16 states and ultimately in about 30. Yes, there will be areas of redundancy. But, Q would then cover both bases. With the traditional cable carriers, Q has had to spend $200k-$300k in promotion and startup costs per each region. The Verizon paintbrush is so wide that our relative costs are greatly diminished. Verizon, and our other carriers, would not put their reputations at risk by taking on a shaky company.
Verizon has FiOS availability to some 3 million homes at this moment. The hardest part of this, for Q, is letting the GLBT and curious communities know that Q is available to them on Verizon. If one believes that Q could garner just 5% of Verizon’s subscriber base it would equal 150k new Q subscribers. Q gets $4 per month, so Q’s potential revenue increases by $600k a month and grows in parallel with Verizon’s expansion. It is my understanding that advertising revenue would increase as subscribers increase. About a year ago, Q had 22k subscribers. That was with RCN in 3 cities. My guess is that Q has at least 150k, and probably a lot more, in 14 regions in 10 states by 4 cable carriers. What does advertising bring in per month? How much does NTI contribute? Or, the Burbank studio leasing? Also, what about the film library rental revenue? This new QTN Mobile with Mobile Accord is yet another revenue stream. Then, there is Selectv, which should be broadcasting in March. Oh, I almost forgot about syndication. The money adds up and each revenue stream helps to chip away at Q’s costs.
Any new investor or banker would realize that the most difficult part is over. Q has gone from a twinkle in Franks eye to a broadcasting network with astounding potential. An investor would not be investing into the dreams and wishful thinking of Frank, but into the reality of a brick and mortar network. Frank may be scrambling for the moment, but every CEO finds him/herself in that position. The storm will abate.
Q seems to have a boulder on the road in front of them. I wonder if Microsoft had a boulder or two in front of them when they started? I bet they would say, as Q and us will say, that the boulder was, in reality, just a pebble in the rear view mirror.
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thank you buckwheat. yes it is a lot of money and i have sat down with my parents (in fact i took them out to dinner to tell them lol) and told them about the whole thing. I am over it. It really wasnt to hard because i just saved money my whole life and never used it so i didnt know what it would be like to have it.
I may still get back in if certain things are changed, but i have just been trying to look out for others in this room. Many are going to be bashing me for bringing over information that is not "allstocks" material. Many on allstocks dont understand that they are living on another planet. Again, this is all harsh to understand.
And the reason why i try and be different is becasue the overwhelming majority here are still daydreaming. And this daydreaming is more than likely loosing them more money. They are thinking, i may as well just buy in more at .0001 because things really arent that bad. And its because the allstocks board does not post much negative stuff, because the posters get bashed to death. Well you know what, i am going to break that. Many here know me from being the positive guy so i may stand a chance.
I am not doing this because i lost so much money, i am doing this becasue i am looking out for others. And if people did not understand this from my past posts of buying the level II to help out others, do answering trading questions daily, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by HossTrader: My favorite part......
"The entire IHUB says that they would never allow for them two to do what they did over here. "
Hmmmm. What exactly would they have done? Harsh language?
HT And I'm sure that the "entire IHUB" is a solid and cohesive organization that sticks together on all issues and acts in total unison ... so if you pizz off the "great and wonderous IHUB", you can be sure of swift and immediate retribution.
I think I'm gittin' skeered.
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quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: ... the boy who cried wolf.
buck Taking this one step further ... I wonder how many Q shareholders would be smiling instead of frowning if they didn't read message boards?
I am not suggesting that message boards are bad or that all messages are either false or negative. I am just pointing out that many message board posters do not let facts stand in the way of a good rumor ... and that one message board "falsehood" can offset many factual PRs issued by the company.
Solid DD requires digesting all information from all sources ... and digesting information means separating proven facts from unproven opinions or rumors ... and only proven facts should be further digested into decisions and subsequent actions.
My best "guesstimate" is that posts on stock message boards are divided as follows: 10% offtopic comments (no real value) 10% jokes/attempted humor (no real value) 10% socializing (no real value) 10% "what if" opinions (no real value) 10% "I'm pretty sure" opinions (no real value) 10% "I'm absolutely sure" opinions (no real value) 10% rumors (no real value) 10% total lies (no real value) 10% total scams (no real value) 10% absolutely proven fact (some value).
And the rest is all crap.
BL, that post totally offends me. My weak attempts at humor have counted for MUCH more than 10% of the posts this weekend and I demand that you stop diminishing my contribution!!
I swear. Just when you think you know someone.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: We have come to yet another interesting moment in the continuing saga of Q. Life seems to come in waves of good, bad and indifferent or uncertain. Many years ago I learned the “reasonable man theory”. That is, what would a reasonable man do about the situation at hand. And yes, there are as many variations of reasonable as there are of men. I’ve also learned to step back and look at a situation from other perspectives and styles, ie. Franks style of investor communications is different than mine. I also try to respect others and their views, although I’m, as we all are, still human. Now after all this being said, I would like to express the way I see some of our recent developments from my little window on the universe.
Daddy Warbucks DIED! Oh my God! (Repeat 2 or 3 times and then stick finger down throat to simulate gagging). Frank has stated that every month he writes a check for $200k and that there are a number of others also writing checks. This person that died is NOT the only one backing Q. In addition, Q has assets that can easily be encumbered, most notably is the film library worth “several hundred million dollars”. Frank has stated that he can borrow 30% of the assets of QTN. I’m going to take a “wild donkey” guess and say that Frank could borrow $100M. Gosh! I wonder if there would be any left over to buy QBID shares? Anyway, TMM probably has all their principal players covered with Key Man Insurance. That way IF anyone dies the company is covered, a normal business practice. If there were a problem, it would be just a speed bump in the road of life. What was a sudden *********** turns out to be a little footnote.
They’re SHUTTING QTN DOWN!!! There seems to be some kind of a very strange coincidence that QTN is “retooling” for 2 weeks -- and -- (by blind luck) the QTN people involved with the Gay Games found some tickets for the Super Bowl. IMO: brilliant just BRILLIANT. This shows me that the powers to be at QTN are smart and that they have excellent planning and coordinating skills. They have taken a couple of weeks to remake the studio. I understand that the studio was at over capacity. QTN is about to debut a handful of new shows. Their offices were cramped and even doubled up. This remake will take full advantage of their space and operate the studio at max capability and efficiency. The Super Bowl is a wonderful and opportune event for QTN to have. They can use it as a simulator and make a dry run. This will yield huge dividends for Q and its Gay Games audience.
Frank LIED again!!! He led us to believe that a large telephony company would have us on their new network LAST FALL!!! Only the bashers accept a time frame to be hard and fast. Business is business is business. It is NORMAL and EXPECTED that relative timeframes in business can, and usually do, run late. In addition, Frank always runs late and we all know that! Just ask your local DVD IF you are lucky enough to have one. I still don’t.
This Verizon contract is nothing less than Jurassic! The list of currently available service areas is huge and expanding every day. I talked with a friend in Tampa and she said that Verizon was installing the fiber optic cable behind her house as we talked. Also, their reps have been to her door 3 times in 2 days selling the service. In one day we probably doubled the number of potential subscribers. The FiOS subscriber base is growing every day and will for the next couple of years or more. They are currently installing FiOS into 16 states and ultimately in about 30. Yes, there will be areas of redundancy. But, Q would then cover both bases. With the traditional cable carriers, Q has had to spend $200k-$300k in promotion and startup costs per each region. The Verizon paintbrush is so wide that our relative costs are greatly diminished. Verizon, and our other carriers, would not put their reputations at risk by taking on a shaky company.
Verizon has FiOS availability to some 3 million homes at this moment. The hardest part of this, for Q, is letting the GLBT and curious communities know that Q is available to them on Verizon. If one believes that Q could garner just 5% of Verizon’s subscriber base it would equal 150k new Q subscribers. Q gets $4 per month, so Q’s potential revenue increases by $600k a month and grows in parallel with Verizon’s expansion. It is my understanding that advertising revenue would increase as subscribers increase. About a year ago, Q had 22k subscribers. That was with RCN in 3 cities. My guess is that Q has at least 150k, and probably a lot more, in 14 regions in 10 states by 4 cable carriers. What does advertising bring in per month? How much does NTI contribute? Or, the Burbank studio leasing? Also, what about the film library rental revenue? This new QTN Mobile with Mobile Accord is yet another revenue stream. Then, there is Selectv, which should be broadcasting in March. Oh, I almost forgot about syndication. The money adds up and each revenue stream helps to chip away at Q’s costs.
Any new investor or banker would realize that the most difficult part is over. Q has gone from a twinkle in Franks eye to a broadcasting network with astounding potential. An investor would not be investing into the dreams and wishful thinking of Frank, but into the reality of a brick and mortar network. Frank may be scrambling for the moment, but every CEO finds him/herself in that position. The storm will abate.
Q seems to have a boulder on the road in front of them. I wonder if Microsoft had a boulder or two in front of them when they started? I bet they would say, as Q and us will say, that the boulder was, in reality, just a pebble in the rear view mirror.
Jennifer youve got an insider, surely youved asked him what the subs are???or do the employees not know, cause their not told?
Frank laid the ground work for low subs. Do your projections with a 1-2% potiential customer rate. That is the correct rate, not 5, or 10%
***TAKE THIS COMMENT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT*** I am not supposed to be saying this but from a reliable source, from back in december, i believe Q had about 5000 subsribers. WHich is double what the one guy said about 800. I have hinted for weeks that i knew sub numbers were low. I expected at least 50,000 subs, espically because frank said 32K way back when. But LMAO, does anyone ever believe anything Frank says.
again take that comment for how you want, as millertime is just a blatent basher and is crazy. Just trying to get everyone to sell so that he can load up shares at .0001 for the big run!
(this was the main original reason why i sold at .0002, because subs are everything with Q)
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Posted by: ltesprit In reply to: seren who wrote msg# 217736 Date:2/5/2006 11:28:33 AM Post #of 217742
Hi Seren
Tuna is speculating without saying so, so take him for what he's worth.
At the moment, sadly, I'm not 100% sure that the shares o/s is the biggest concern for us. Nothing is as it seems with Q because we only get fragments of truth about our investment and lots of b.s. But where there's smoke, there's fire: The stock price is now essentially zero (smoke) and we now learn that the company's financing was never as secure as portrayed. That's a dangerous fire. And now there's talk from a reliable poster on RB that subscribership and subscriber satisfaction isn't what Q has represented to us:
That fire would make sense, considering the smoke from the 're-tooling'. Interestingly, Q removed their last PR, dated Feb 2, where they put their own spin on the shut-down:
Not sure what to make of that. Their lawyers may have told them to remove it, if what it said wasn't true. Bizarre. And not comforting.
The only encouraging thing, frankly, is that Carol Hinnart has not abandoned the company. Not yet, anyway. She is the only completely credible professional in that organization and if she wasn't at Q she could be working at any other channel. She was willing to state her support for the network in the Out.com article:
(btw, check out the Comments link at the bottom of the story. You'll find a familiar poster there with a typical inane comment.)
Carol was also reportedly quite positive at the Jan 30th GBBC event in Boston. Either Frank has left her completely in the dark (possible...) or the situation at Q is not really dire.
Also on the plus side, we are told (ahem) that we have significant tangible assets (eg, the film library) audited and appraised at several hundred million dollars. Net of any liabilities (which should be maybe $10 or $20 million at this point, I'm speculating here), that still leaves a significant net worth for the company. So even if the network were to stop operating, there is some recoverable value. Whether the outsider public shareholders get any of it is, sadly, up to Frank. He'd have lawsuits on his hands if he doesn't, but that would make for a long battle. I think enough of his friends and family are public investors, though, that he will let any liquidation prorate fairly to shareholders.
Liquidation is also not necessarily the end-game here. Someone may buy the channel. No doubt though it would be for less than the book value (ie, net worth) if the company is not in fact a going-concern. At least, if the buyer is savvy.
So don't give up hope, but don't be a Skunk, either: stay on top of this investment and help us push management to get its act together. It's been a long road and it hasn't necessarily ended.
As for Frank calling me today, something tells me he's going to be too busy. Just a hunch.
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MT, I don't think you are a basher. But c'mon. Find one page of ANY QBID thread that doesn't have posts warning people away from this stock!!
Most of us are not pumping here, we have admitted we serve more of a support group function at this point and almost all of us have told people not to buy in. We are being hopeful. Not to bring in new investors, but to make our days a little lighter. Being pessimistic about things I have no control over sucks, and it is fun to talk about any potential positive news.
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Q currently has 7 Time Warner regions. These regions talk to each other. If Q was not performing up to par, and costing TW $, they would have drop Q like the preverbal hot potato. I believe out first region with TW was the state of Maine. I believe Rochester and Syracuse were next. Don’t you think Rochester and Syracuse would have talked with Maine to see how it was going? Wouldn’t you? It would be absorbed not to think so. The same goes with each succeeding region. Anyone think that Verizon DIDN’T do their homework?
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: Q currently has 7 Time Warner regions. These regions talk to each other. If Q was not performing up to par, and costing TW $, they would have drop Q like the preverbal hot potato. I believe out first region with TW was the state of Maine. I believe Rochester and Syracuse were next. Don’t you think Rochester and Syracuse would have talked with Maine to see how it was going? Wouldn’t you? It would be absorbed not to think so. The same goes with each succeeding region. Anyone think that Verizon DIDN’T do their homework?
That's crazy talk.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: Q currently has 7 Time Warner regions. These regions talk to each other. If Q was not performing up to par, and costing TW $, they would have drop Q like the preverbal hot potato. I believe out first region with TW was the state of Maine. I believe Rochester and Syracuse were next. Don’t you think Rochester and Syracuse would have talked with Maine to see how it was going? Wouldn’t you? It would be absorbed not to think so. The same goes with each succeeding region. Anyone think that Verizon DIDN’T do their homework?
Jennifer, im sure that me and you know most of the same information. In fact, you probably know more than me with a secure insider. But i have heard from an insider that many of these TWC regions QTN acutally is paying them to carry their channel.
Look we can get in an arguement about these things, but its not worth it. Yes your right, they are lauching more, but we know that the first three months are basically just to see how well they do.
i was just completely caught off guard when i heard the Subscriber number. I cant remember what exactly i was told, something between 1500-7500. The fact is i was expecting at least 50-150K. Me and Rod sat here for days counting up how many Subs they would have.
ANd if you dont believe me about the sub numbers. Lets take Frank Olsen's word. He said 1-2%. WE are in nearly 3M houses.
So if he gets what he wants, the most we could is 30,000-60,000. THE MOST.
IF i were to guess right now id say about 16,000 subsribers. Would you disagree JenniferCrd?
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