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again the problem with your theory is that QTN can send out an email "communication" to PlanetOut and it DOES NOT not require PR.
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Guys... that's how the stuff GETS to planetout. Almost all news starts as a PR from a company. They send it out to the media then put it up on their site. We're the only ones reading it there, yes, but they still have to write them so they can send them to news sources.
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I'm in the PR business, trust me. You don't send an email with a few tidbits of news, you write the news story and send it to the press (hence "Press Release"). This is not a theory, this is the way it works. The media then takes all or part of it, and you see it on planetout or whatever press outlet picks it up. You can complain that Frank then posts the PR (that 'story' they sent to the press) as 'investor' news when it's not, but don't complain about the PR - those things have to be written if you want stories published.
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quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: I'm in the PR business, trust me. You don't send an email with a few tidbits of news, you write the news story and send it to the press (hence "Press Release"). This is not a theory, this is the way it works. The media then takes all or part of it, and you see it on planetout or whatever press outlet picks it up. You can complain that Frank then posts the PR (that 'story' they sent to the press) as 'investor' news when it's not, but don't complain about the PR - those things have to be written if you want stories published.
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I understand the "PR" process... My point is that these PRs that are being released concerning Mr Sulu or Charro or Pee-Wee Herman appearing on QTN IS NOT PR newsworthy.Besides, PlanetOut and QTN have "partnership" where we pay them Billions of shares(speculation) or some monetary fee for showing our clips on their website - QTN does NOT need a PR for that. OK, I am beating a deadhorse here...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: I'm in the PR business, trust me. You don't send an email with a few tidbits of news, you write the news story and send it to the press (hence "Press Release"). This is not a theory, this is the way it works. The media then takes all or part of it, and you see it on planetout or whatever press outlet picks it up. You can complain that Frank then posts the PR (that 'story' they sent to the press) as 'investor' news when it's not, but don't complain about the PR - those things have to be written if you want stories published.
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and how is it that you are so informed of this?
quote:Originally posted by bige2533: There is no positive reason for withholding the financials from the shareholders.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What about Doc and Imakmony auditing the books on the 5th or the 12th of January? The numbers won’t change much. One theory is that it would give Frank time to complete the Q4 and year-end numbers. One must admit that the 4th Quarter for Q was exceeding good. Another theory is that the audit contains something that would disclose negotiations already under way and Frank needed another week to get the ink dry, Mary Hartman are you listening? Now the Big Ugly Theory, there is something very bad in the audit and Franks flight to Rio doesn’t depart until Wednesday.
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it is also the way the rest of the news groups that get the entertainment news out ot the people, get thier info.
as much as you might think that a press release is for investor, its not.
its a news source that is watched by more then just investors. it is a way to get information out ot the world quickly.
besides as much as you think it doesnt do anything for us, it actually does, as it is informing us that they are still moving forward as a network.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: What is it? All the subscribers are reading the stock bulletins or need to read them to find out tomorrows programming? Granted they need exposure, but what percent of viewers even see the PRs? A few burned stock holders?
UOTE]Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
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How far do you think a million dollars goes in the advertising world.
We where in full page adds in newspapers, magasines and on the David Letterman show. YOu think that stuff comes for free?
take a look at what your average company spends in advertising and you are going to realise that a million dollars is not a large advertising expendature.
ROd
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: The problem with your theory, IMO, is that the shareholders and potential investors are ones that are reading thes BS/fluff PRs... not the potential subscribers. That info can be obtained from PlantetOut, QTN web and other media of interest to GLBT potential subscribers. BTW what happened to Frankie Boys "Million Dollar" advertisment campaign to get the word out? Oh, wait a minute... he must of meant "Million Dollar" PR campaign for fleecing QBID shareholders/investors...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
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Right. Do you know how much Coca-Cola spends on Advertisment/Marketing? I will tell you, 70-75 cents out of every dollar they make. Now that is advertisement and I know QBID/QTN can not be compare to CC. All I am saying is if Frankie boy is gonna PR something it SHOULD NOT be who the next "Ding Dong" is appearing on Q LIVe - that is BS! That sh!t should be on TV Guide or something (now that is advertisement) or any other GLBT media/community blog. Investors/sharholdes IMO don't give a crap about that these no value added PRs - thats all.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: How far do you think a million dollars goes in the advertising world.
We where in full page adds in newspapers, magasines and on the David Letterman show. YOu think that stuff comes for free?
take a look at what your average company spends in advertising and you are going to realise that a million dollars is not a large advertising expendature.
ROd
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: The problem with your theory, IMO, is that the shareholders and potential investors are ones that are reading thes BS/fluff PRs... not the potential subscribers. That info can be obtained from PlantetOut, QTN web and other media of interest to GLBT potential subscribers. BTW what happened to Frankie Boys "Million Dollar" advertisment campaign to get the word out? Oh, wait a minute... he must of meant "Million Dollar" PR campaign for fleecing QBID shareholders/investors...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: it is also the way the rest of the news groups that get the entertainment news out ot the people, get thier info.
as much as you might think that a press release is for investor, its not.
its a news source that is watched by more then just investors. it is a way to get information out ot the world quickly.
besides as much as you think it doesnt do anything for us, it actually does, as it is informing us that they are still moving forward as a network.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: What is it? All the subscribers are reading the stock bulletins or need to read them to find out tomorrows programming? Granted they need exposure, but what percent of viewers even see the PRs? A few burned stock holders?
UOTE]Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
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Because QBID shares are being dumped into the market in huge numbers. If Frank had any information that would make the shares more valuable, he would release it to get more for the shares he is dumping. Why make a deal for 40B shares * .0002 if he could do it for 20B * .0004? Sure he's desperate for money but he must think he's getting a deal at these prices...
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: and how is it that you are so informed of this?
quote:Originally posted by bige2533: There is no positive reason for withholding the financials from the shareholders.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What about Doc and Imakmony auditing the books on the 5th or the 12th of January? The numbers won’t change much. One theory is that it would give Frank time to complete the Q4 and year-end numbers. One must admit that the 4th Quarter for Q was exceeding good. Another theory is that the audit contains something that would disclose negotiations already under way and Frank needed another week to get the ink dry, Mary Hartman are you listening? Now the Big Ugly Theory, there is something very bad in the audit and Franks flight to Rio doesn’t depart until Wednesday.
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If your advertising on the superbowl, no a mil only goes for 1 second, if that (not sure what current rates are). However in news publications and websites a mil can go quite far, its all in who you know and how good of a negotiator you are
*dont make me post my updated picture *
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: How far do you think a million dollars goes in the advertising world.
We where in full page adds in newspapers, magasines and on the David Letterman show. YOu think that stuff comes for free?
take a look at what your average company spends in advertising and you are going to realise that a million dollars is not a large advertising expendature.
ROd
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: The problem with your theory, IMO, is that the shareholders and potential investors are ones that are reading thes BS/fluff PRs... not the potential subscribers. That info can be obtained from PlantetOut, QTN web and other media of interest to GLBT potential subscribers. BTW what happened to Frankie Boys "Million Dollar" advertisment campaign to get the word out? Oh, wait a minute... he must of meant "Million Dollar" PR campaign for fleecing QBID shareholders/investors...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
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Thank you... Thank you... Thank you...
That's all I wanted...
Any chance you have other friends? This message board is quickly turning into your own little soap opera! ;-)
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quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: I'm in the PR business, trust me. You don't send an email with a few tidbits of news, you write the news story and send it to the press (hence "Press Release"). This is not a theory, this is the way it works. The media then takes all or part of it, and you see it on planetout or whatever press outlet picks it up. You can complain that Frank then posts the PR (that 'story' they sent to the press) as 'investor' news when it's not, but don't complain about the PR - those things have to be written if you want stories published.
Esteban You are correct. I've also done some PR work, and I tried to put my company's name in front of the press as often as possible ... just short of pizzing them off. It was the cheapest advertising we could get, and even "routine" stuff got good play on slow news days. I've even called friends in the press and asked if they wanted me to create news for them (real news, not fake stuff), and surprisingly enough they usually were grateful for my efforts and gave us good space.
So, I consider any positive PR from Q as worthwhile, even if it's boring to investors who only want to read "THE" PR from Frank. Meanwhile, let's let Frank do his primary job of growing Q into a network with real carriers and real subscribers. Shareholders won't make money unless Q makes money.
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*waiting patiently* for news from the meeting in which im on the last to know list
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well at the time that Frank announced that million dollar advertising campaign he was spend 300% of every dollar he made since he is not in a proffit making situation he in essence spent percentage wise more then Coka Cola.
as far as the PR goes you obviously have not been reading up to this point.
it is called Press release. they release the info to the press and from there the tv guides and the plannet outs and whoever else finds that info as news worthy pick up the story and spread it to the end users. They are called PRESS RELEASES NOT INVESTOR RELEASES!
so your arguement is what? you dont want the subscribers to get the info of what is going to be on the live shows? im glad your not running the network lol
This is the medium that they use, it happens to be the same medium that we get our messages from. get used to it not all prs are directed at the stockmarket and the investors.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Right. Do you know how much Coca-Cola spends on Advertisment/Marketing? I will tell you, 70-75 cents out of every dollar they make. Now that is advertisement and I know QBID/QTN can not be compare to CC. All I am saying is if Frankie boy is gonna PR something it SHOULD NOT be who the next "Ding Dong" is appearing on Q LIVe - that is BS! That sh!t should be on TV Guide or something (now that is advertisement) or any other GLBT media/community blog. Investors/sharholdes IMO don't give a crap about that these no value added PRs - thats all.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: How far do you think a million dollars goes in the advertising world.
We where in full page adds in newspapers, magasines and on the David Letterman show. YOu think that stuff comes for free?
take a look at what your average company spends in advertising and you are going to realise that a million dollars is not a large advertising expendature.
ROd
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: The problem with your theory, IMO, is that the shareholders and potential investors are ones that are reading thes BS/fluff PRs... not the potential subscribers. That info can be obtained from PlantetOut, QTN web and other media of interest to GLBT potential subscribers. BTW what happened to Frankie Boys "Million Dollar" advertisment campaign to get the word out? Oh, wait a minute... he must of meant "Million Dollar" PR campaign for fleecing QBID shareholders/investors...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: If your advertising on the superbowl, no a mil only goes for 1 second, if that (not sure what current rates are). However in news publications and websites a mil can go quite far, its all in who you know and how good of a negotiator you are
*dont make me post my updated picture *
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: How far do you think a million dollars goes in the advertising world.
We where in full page adds in newspapers, magasines and on the David Letterman show. YOu think that stuff comes for free?
take a look at what your average company spends in advertising and you are going to realise that a million dollars is not a large advertising expendature.
ROd
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: The problem with your theory, IMO, is that the shareholders and potential investors are ones that are reading thes BS/fluff PRs... not the potential subscribers. That info can be obtained from PlantetOut, QTN web and other media of interest to GLBT potential subscribers. BTW what happened to Frankie Boys "Million Dollar" advertisment campaign to get the word out? Oh, wait a minute... he must of meant "Million Dollar" PR campaign for fleecing QBID shareholders/investors...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
-------------------- Dont buy or sell on my opinions, do your research. Make sure you know what you are buying before you buy.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: well at the time that Frank announced that million dollar advertising campaign he was spend 300% of every dollar he made since he is not in a proffit making situation he in essence spent percentage wise more then Coka Cola.
as far as the PR goes you obviously have not been reading up to this point.
it is called Press release. they release the info to the press and from there the tv guides and the plannet outs and whoever else finds that info as news worthy pick up the story and spread it to the end users. They are called PRESS RELEASES NOT INVESTOR RELEASES!
so your arguement is what? you dont want the subscribers to get the info of what is going to be on the live shows? im glad your not running the network lol
This is the medium that they use, it happens to be the same medium that we get our messages from. get used to it not all prs are directed at the stockmarket and the investors.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Right. Do you know how much Coca-Cola spends on Advertisment/Marketing? I will tell you, 70-75 cents out of every dollar they make. Now that is advertisement and I know QBID/QTN can not be compare to CC. All I am saying is if Frankie boy is gonna PR something it SHOULD NOT be who the next "Ding Dong" is appearing on Q LIVe - that is BS! That sh!t should be on TV Guide or something (now that is advertisement) or any other GLBT media/community blog. Investors/sharholdes IMO don't give a crap about that these no value added PRs - thats all.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: How far do you think a million dollars goes in the advertising world.
We where in full page adds in newspapers, magasines and on the David Letterman show. YOu think that stuff comes for free?
take a look at what your average company spends in advertising and you are going to realise that a million dollars is not a large advertising expendature.
ROd
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: The problem with your theory, IMO, is that the shareholders and potential investors are ones that are reading thes BS/fluff PRs... not the potential subscribers. That info can be obtained from PlantetOut, QTN web and other media of interest to GLBT potential subscribers. BTW what happened to Frankie Boys "Million Dollar" advertisment campaign to get the word out? Oh, wait a minute... he must of meant "Million Dollar" PR campaign for fleecing QBID shareholders/investors...
quote:Originally posted by Esteban99: Yeah, this is something that should go on your self-promo commercials. Entertainment Tonight doesn't do PRs about who they're going to interview tomorrow.
But I guess at this point they still need to get news out and generate interest for new subscribers. I'm glad they're putting it out there, I just want us to have our turn.
quote:it is called Press release. they release the info to the press and from there the tv guides and the plannet outs and whoever else finds that info as news worthy pick up the story and spread it to the end users.
It's a lost cause, PT
Anyone see the stuff on IHUB about another suit?
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Well, then maybe Frankie boy should PR this then, since the info contained in (PR's) Press Releases is NOT for investors. This would be money well spent...
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I think I'm just going to ignore Q until Friday. It's going to be a big volume day, let's hope it's up.
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488M bought at .0002 within 10 minutes and only one MM drops off, never close to getting back up to .0003. - here comens the after hour dumps .0001.
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