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thats why i think this is going to be a really long term hold.
if frank intends on selling or moving to a higher exchange then he will need to retire shares at one point or another to reduce the share structure. this could take years to get down if he isnt buying down here.
and i dont know why he would raise the a/s if he was buying back so i have to assume he has something up his sleave in the works with those new shares. i only hope it is for some sort of aquisition and not to pay salaries and keep the q rolling (for basic expenses). i guess time will tell huh........
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quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: Imak and Doc I don't know how talkative the quuen will be when you go to Q, but can you try to get him to explain why hes wiping out the shareholders with as much dilution as he can. While he still maintains the 53%, while our piece has got smaller all the time. He acts like he isn't aware that we spent money here to.
Everybody wants to know what Frank is doing with the Q assets, properties, etc. It seems like we need to ask him what he she or whatever he is is doing to or with the shareholders. Most CEOs seem like they want to include the shareholders in the progress of the co. Or at least sound like it. This one doesn't sound like it or anything. The crummy part is when we asked we just get some BS answer. He said at the CC. I'll check on the pps. 2 weeks later hes doing this new release. You guys already know all this stuff.
I think I know what he might be doing with the Q, "OUR" assets, properties, etc.
Anybody here read any of King Crimson's messages? Pretty good stuff. KC did his homework better than many of us. Or let me speak for my self. KC did better homework than I did!!!!
He wrote about Franklin Productions or something to that effect probably owned almost entirely by Frank & doing business with Firestone.
I can Picture him doing a reverse merger or a spinoff/IPO putting all of Triangle's assets (including QTV) into a new company with 1 share of the new company being equal to one thousand shares of QBID or something there abouts. His new company then has an OS of 100 million with him owning the lion's share. Pretty managable number.
If & I say "IF" he didn't start the same process all over he could even save face with long term investors.
Frank's cherished longs end up with a whole bunch of worthless QBID shares plus a dividend of the spinoff/new shares, 1/1000, a fraction of the shares they used to own. Eventhough this new company does not have the complications of being a "dirty shell" the value par share will plummit do to lack of trust. No problem cause it has no debt or liabilities. Frank will leave all that with the shell QBID/TTM which eventualy goes BK if not halted & having it's assets frozen.
If all went well The new company would prosper and what ever longs rode through this $h!t may even see the windfall profits we used to dream about.
Imagine a company with only 100 million shares OS that sports huge exposure from next years games, owns a working, revenue producing studio, has shows syndicated, global contracts, owns a state of the art US Government funded teleport, broadcasted by all major US carriers including Dish, Direct & Verizon, has star power, Fortune 500 companies knocking their doors down, institutions piling on & a loyal consumer base of 20 million US viewers controlling an annual $600 billion of descretionary income. Lets go on to say that over the next two years he doesn't dilute anymore than another 100 million shares.
Think that puppy might be worth a mint?
You can believe Frank has something of this nature up his sleave if not just a simple R/S. I mean what's one more lie at this point? The big question is would Frank constrain himself & not screw investors by begining the whole dilution thing all over again! All I know for sure is Frank wants to sell this thing & he can't sell it in the shape it is now.
It's kind of sad because I know Frank did not have to water QBID down this bad.
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Could Frank got pizzed that shareholders want answers and willing to travel to look at the books following the law and proceedures ..that same law that allowed Frank to act as if he was the dictaor of all times ..did he raise the A/S now just to tell us , dont fool with me or else ! I think he feels the power and been arrogant that he can do anything he wants hidding behind the fact that TMM is on pink sheets !he knows investors are helples now and cant afford selling at .0001! I dont know if he got group of people around him that convinced him its ok to do anything he wants , apparently he think its ok to PR false info , and ok at CC to lie as he wants , lets not forget the circus of the hotline when PPS was .018-.028 and was putting our several voice messages telling us he quarentee that our investment is ok , etc I hope someone can do something to stop this madness !! Someone has to explain to him that pink sheet exempt of filling for helping these start up companies save money on audits , etc , It never been intended to be a license to lie and decieve , and put out PRs that are false !! I hope someone can stop the fleecing of investors !! was not suppose SEC to do just that , to protect investors from preditors like such CEOs? JUST MY HONEST HUMBLE OPINION
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Thanks Whiz, thats a hell of a plan. A massive coronary or some other type of neat thing that should happen to a certain person, excluding the shareholders wouldn't be that out of order either.JMO
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quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: Thanks Whiz, thats a hell of a plan. A massive coronary or some other type of neat thing that should happen to a certain person, excluding the shareholders wouldn't be that out of order either.JMO
LOL! I hear you. I think Honest Trader is closer to the truth.
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I'm over this loss over a year now......Had dreams of millions...was up 50K and held on for the big salami that never came and kept avg. down. Never thought we would get this low. Bought in at .0003.....just a grand worth, Hey you never know right?
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I had my first child(boy)......he'll be 4 months Christmas Eve. I know now it's true that timegoes faster after you have children. He is so great....just starting to react to the stupid noises and faces I make at him. He's already 17lbs but all muscle,started him at the gym early. Anyway.....I hope he doesn't turn out gay"not that there's anything wrong with that""SEINFELD"LOL
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quote:Originally posted by one2watchny: I had my first child(boy)......he'll be 4 months Christmas Eve. I know now it's true that timegoes faster after you have children. He is so great....just starting to react to the stupid noises and faces I make at him. He's already 17lbs but all muscle,started him at the gym early. Anyway.....I hope he doesn't turn out gay"not that there's anything wrong with that""SEINFELD"LOL
You are in for a hell of a ride. My little girl just turned 3 last month and it is a BLAST!! This Christmas is the first one where she "gets it" a little, and it is a trip!
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now im going to say this as nicely as i can.
IM NOT SELLING !!!!!!
Now please tell me why it is so important to you that i sell my shares. It is my money that i spent, if i want to wipe my azz with it and flush it down the toilet, why does that concern you so much?
I admire that you feel that you are saving the world, but you need to get a grip. The whole stock market is based on somone loosing thier money. If no one lost, and everyone won then the system would not work. the reality is that more people loose in the stock market then gain.
it is the same as a casino. The house always wins. the reason they stay in business is more people loose money then win money.
I have decided that my money stays in here till the end, and i am not changing my mind on that!
Now let me ask you something G, if everyone is to sell this stock, who are we to sell it too?
some one has to buy it in order for some one to sell it.
are you going to keep telling everyone to sell for ever? You are encouraging us to lure more suckers into this stock by selling it, so really whos is really pumping this stock?
Im not encouraging anyone to buy this stock and im not encouraging anyone to sell.
you really want to stop all the crap from happening tell everyone to hold, dont sell dont buy. no movement of stocks means no more dilution as no one is willing to buy.
but instead you continually pump this by creating people to sell thus causing more volume then this stock actually deserves at this point.
You want to make Frank sweat? encourage everyone to sit tight dont buy dont sell. no volume, no dilution.
So really what is it you think you are going to accomplish by your statments.
SELL i ask you who do you sell to if you are telling people not to buy. If i sell now im not any better then Frank.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by g-invest: Okay, I'll try to do this as nicely as I can.
I want you to sell your shares.
The purpose of you selling your shares is not so I can buy them. I'm not bashing this stock, I'm trying to save you money. Frank just increased the A/S to 100 billion from 60 billion.
Buckwheat, do you or any of the others on here want to question whether or not the 60 billion share count has been reached? Or are you going to ask me for proof again?
I've tried criticizing those of you holding shares, I've tried posting DD, I've tried explanations of toxic financing, and I've even tried being nice. So let me ask you this:
What do I have to say in order for you to sell your shares and still get at least some of your money back?
I'm curious, and I'd really like to help. It really bothers me that some of you are such stalwarts that you aren't selling simply because you think people like myself are paid bashers. Paid bashing doesn't happen. Ever. Please sell, even if it has to be at a huge loss. You'll be glad you at least got some of your money back. Use QBID as a trading lesson, and never come back to the Pinks again.
Just a suggestion.
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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards. Dont invest more then you can afford to lose.
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Yup the sad part about it is that they read every post praying everyday for somethign that they can jump on to rub it in that we are so bad.
the thing that bothers them most is when it doesnt really bother you.
i have not got a worry in the world right now. This stock will not cause me to loose any sleep, or to worry about what im going to do to pay my bills.
If Q goes belly up tomorrow i will not get ugly, i will not be in here freaking, and i will not be threating to sue Frank. I will take the tax right off and move on to my next oportunity to invest in my gut feelings.
As i have said, I will still be here in 3 years, holding what ever is left of my shares it a r/s happens.
I did not invest more then i can afford to loose, and there for i can walk away from this with out emotion if this turns out to be valueless.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Clyde_Crashcup:
quote:Originally posted by doctonone: I thought all we had to do was launch?
Strange how some find pleasure in others misfortunes. Small people, small minds.
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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards. Dont invest more then you can afford to lose.
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Time Warner added the other markets after testing the water for several months first.
You honestly think they would have added 5 more markets if they where unsuccessfull in the first market?
you have no idea as to sub numbers and your full of it if you think you can prove otherwise.
keep it up though you are showing your true colors.
lol
Rod
quote:Originally posted by qnique: The Q is broke ya'll. You will see no buyback. The Q is fully funded by shareholders. They have no subscriptions that add up to any real numbers. Networks think they will have a high sub number, but thats probably because the data was cooked just like this stock price was. You will probably see this network dropped by most networks at this time netxt year.
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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards. Dont invest more then you can afford to lose.
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Now PT, I am sure that Q has a mole (hmm still on the rodent theme...) at TimeWarner who is doctoring the books to show more subs. That is why they have been adding Q to other TW markets. It isn't possible that they station is actually growing!!
Seriously though, I am dying to see some actual subscription numbers in the next couple of months.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: now im going to say this as nicely as i can.
IM NOT SELLING !!!!!!
Now please tell me why it is so important to you that i sell my shares. It is my money that i spent, if i want to wipe my azz with it and flush it down the toilet, why does that concern you so much?
It's up to you, I'm concerned about new investors that are still buying this thinking this stock will fly again. They know very little and are duped easily.
quote:I admire that you feel that you are saving the world, but you need to get a grip. The whole stock market is based on somone loosing thier money. If no one lost, and everyone won then the system would not work. the reality is that more people loose in the stock market then gain.
it is the same as a casino. The house always wins. the reason they stay in business is more people loose money then win money.
I have decided that my money stays in here till the end, and i am not changing my mind on that!
Now let me ask you something G, if everyone is to sell this stock, who are we to sell it too?
MMs or other forum posters from other board. Fake pumpers. Anyone that will buy it at .0001 thinking this isn't going to R/S.
quote:are you going to keep telling everyone to sell for ever? You are encouraging us to lure more suckers into this stock by selling it, so really whos is really pumping this stock?
Im not encouraging anyone to buy this stock and im not encouraging anyone to sell.
you really want to stop all the crap from happening tell everyone to hold, dont sell dont buy. no movement of stocks means no more dilution as no one is willing to buy.
but instead you continually pump this by creating people to sell thus causing more volume then this stock actually deserves at this point.
You want to make Frank sweat? encourage everyone to sit tight dont buy dont sell. no volume, no dilution.
So really what is it you think you are going to accomplish by your statments.
SELL i ask you who do you sell to if you are telling people not to buy. If i sell now im not any better then Frank.
That's your perrogative, but I'm asking nicely before the R/S happens that people sell. 100 billion O/S is sad. This company is not worth a billion dollars and won't be sold for even a quarter of that. Frank can't prove it's even worth 6 million. If he could, he'd sign the audit (that's all certification takes!).
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Unfortunately, the world revolves around money. PT said it very well above, regarding HIS money. So, think about this, and read my sig: Life is very short. People are individuals and have opinions that are very diverse, sometimes simply based on conjecture, sometimes seemingly foolish. I appreciate that, and the ability for everyone to be able state their views. And for me, to be able to read them. Sounds very simple, but many folks around the world, don't enjoy this simplicity of expression (freedom). With that, the majority of people have good intentions, they just simply don't express them properly.
A stock investment(play) is a gamble....you win or lose....
JMHO.....GLTA....
Everyone have a Happy Holiday
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noah dont hold to much stalk in what Frank says.
he also said he would not raise the A/S with out having us vote on it. he also stated an audit in 60 days, and an exchange by years end.
this is going to have to split now.
dont hold your breath on the r/s promise
his word is as good as actions.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by noah129: well either way im not sure how they could do this with frank running the show he has stated many times no reverse split.
so in order for him to do this he i guess would need to step down which very well could happen.
i have been through way too many reverse splits this year please lordy no more reverse splits.
get ahold of some private money and buyback and retire 90 billion franko
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I was off the computer for a couple days, I see now how fugly things have gotten. Here's my .0002 cents......Frank has spent his whole career trying to further the rights of a particular group -gays - so I don't want to believe that he will attain his dream screwing over another group.... stockholders. He has told us longs to be patient. I know CEO's rip off consumers all the time, But this is the culmination of Frank's life's work. I am hoping he will want to hold his head high when his company is a success. I am down over $3500, but will hold on till it's all or nothing. No one held a gun to my head to buy this stock.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: now im going to say this as nicely as i can.
IM NOT SELLING !!!!!!
Now please tell me why it is so important to you that i sell my shares. It is my money that i spent, if i want to wipe my azz with it and flush it down the toilet, why does that concern you so much?
It's up to you, I'm concerned about new investors that are still buying this thinking this stock will fly again. They know very little and are duped easily.
quote:I admire that you feel that you are saving the world, but you need to get a grip. The whole stock market is based on somone loosing thier money. If no one lost, and everyone won then the system would not work. the reality is that more people loose in the stock market then gain.
it is the same as a casino. The house always wins. the reason they stay in business is more people loose money then win money.
I have decided that my money stays in here till the end, and i am not changing my mind on that!
Now let me ask you something G, if everyone is to sell this stock, who are we to sell it too?
MMs or other forum posters from other board. Fake pumpers. Anyone that will buy it at .0001 thinking this isn't going to R/S.
quote:are you going to keep telling everyone to sell for ever? You are encouraging us to lure more suckers into this stock by selling it, so really whos is really pumping this stock?
Im not encouraging anyone to buy this stock and im not encouraging anyone to sell.
you really want to stop all the crap from happening tell everyone to hold, dont sell dont buy. no movement of stocks means no more dilution as no one is willing to buy.
but instead you continually pump this by creating people to sell thus causing more volume then this stock actually deserves at this point.
You want to make Frank sweat? encourage everyone to sit tight dont buy dont sell. no volume, no dilution.
So really what is it you think you are going to accomplish by your statments.
SELL i ask you who do you sell to if you are telling people not to buy. If i sell now im not any better then Frank.
That's your perrogative, but I'm asking nicely before the R/S happens that people sell. 100 billion O/S is sad. This company is not worth a billion dollars and won't be sold for even a quarter of that. Frank can't prove it's even worth 6 million. If he could, he'd sign the audit (that's all certification takes!).
Why don't you go find a worthy cause to be concerned about. This is a high risk stock and everyone knows it. Your concerns for new investors are transparent. You want to post as many predictions as you can so if by chance any come true, you can post, gloat and say I told you so.. I say if you want to buy, do so.
Now go and enjoy your christmas break from school.
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Just dreaming here...kind of a needle in the haystack thought...
What if, Frank is just pushing the stockholders, kind of a test to see who's really long. With all of the letters and angry emails he's gotten lately, I'm sure he's probably hating us right now. So he raises the A/S just to push out more people who don't believe in his visions. Or, maybe he's trying to push these people out so that he can buy back their shares.
I remeber someone wanting a good spin on this 100bil A/S thing.
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I for one am still very hopefull that something huge will be happening after the new year. I think this is the final shakeout before that. One never knows, but I still believe. Is A buyout possible sooner than later? still patient, to the moon or bust also.
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If he is testing the longs then he is Effed up. He should not care about who is long and short, as long as he keeps working at making the company viable. Make the company worth more and the PPS will follow as long as the OS is low enough to allow for movement. Dilution is never your friend. Frank, Get it in gear and move this thing forward. PLEASE!!!!!!!!
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I admit we jump to conclusions about what Q is doing. But its the only way we can ever come even close to thinking we know..Like Doc said. we're a bunch of mushrooms. No lectures please.
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Good morning all, I have been following close and reading everything, yes including G's comments. I am not going to make any comments either direction because everyone only has speculation and noting more than that. Both Imak and Doc are going to have a look at the books on Jan 5 06 and at that point, we will all have a better idea of where we stand. We will not be just getting one persons input but 2 and in my eyes that's a good thing. Frank states it will be out by then but that statement could be just made to deter Imak and Doc from dropping in to have a look. I believe the letters sent may have done exactly what they where intended for "shook the tree of Q".
As a worst case scenario at least we have a couple of our board members that will be able to confirm what Frank actually releases, even if we don’t like it. I would just like to say hats off to Imak and Doc for doing this for all of us concerned.
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In any case, please remind imakmoney (or whoever else will be looking at the books in Jan) to get the subsciber numbers. That will be tell tale to determine boon or bust. I would say also, to IM or call as soon as that number is discovered to get the info out. However, I would say if Frank knows inspection time is coming, he would probably release before then. Thanks.
BTW, aside from all the banter on the boards.............Merry Christmas everyone.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: your dilusional.
Time Warner added the other markets after testing the water for several months first.
You honestly think they would have added 5 more markets if they where unsuccessfull in the first market?
you have no idea as to sub numbers and your full of it if you think you can prove otherwise.
keep it up though you are showing your true colors.
lol
Rod
quote:Originally posted by qnique: The Q is broke ya'll. You will see no buyback. The Q is fully funded by shareholders. They have no subscriptions that add up to any real numbers. Networks think they will have a high sub number, but thats probably because the data was cooked just like this stock price was. You will probably see this network dropped by most networks at this time netxt year.
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I have been thinking about a before mentioned scenario that I must say is much plausible.
Frank could stick by his "no r/s"... and still spin off QTV...
Frank will (if he hasn't already) up the Qbid A/S to 100 billion and use the shares to buys tons of stuff......
He will then create a new shell (QTV) with 200 Million A/S...
Frank will then IPO his new Shell after he moves the QTN assets from TMM into it.
He would sell 50 million shares to institutional investors, keep 50 million shares for himself, and give TMM shareholders a stock dividend of 1 share QTV for every 1000 shares of TMM that you hold.
By doing so, he accomplishes a number of things:
he puts QTV into a position to sell without all the TMM baggage that goes along with it he sticks to his word of no R/S he cleans up the QTV shell he maintains 50% ownership he recapitalizes the company with an influx of funds from the IPO QTV is then appx debt free
This theory also goes along with the quote from the Firestone suit, that states Firestone would receive 50% when Frank recapitalizes the company.... It is starting to all make sense!
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