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on a CMKX note....legal,....SIGNED AHEAD OF TIME???? who the fu** signs certs equal to 703 billion shares ahead of time???? is this the same guy with this great master plan??? the plan to make millions of millionaires??? the plan to send all the scumbag mm's into short squeeze he11?? the master mind??? just sat down 1 rainy day & signed 10,000 cert sheets with no numbers filled in. sort of like signing all the checks in your check book when you put it in the holder, save time later. what was that comment i called the stupidest 1 yet last week legal???? i want to change that to this comment.
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Yea, even Upchuck doesn't sign all the checks in his check book when he puts them in the holder, to save time later. He only does half of them to pay for his "misfortunes".
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I've been free of misfortunes since the 4th of July (except for the fish hitting me in the sack) so I figure I'm in the clear. Either that or a big one is looming.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: on a CMKX note....legal,....SIGNED AHEAD OF TIME???? who the fu** signs certs equal to 703 billion shares ahead of time???? is this the same guy with this great master plan??? the plan to make millions of millionaires??? the plan to send all the scumbag mm's into short squeeze he11?? the master mind??? just sat down 1 rainy day & signed 10,000 cert sheets with no numbers filled in. sort of like signing all the checks in your check book when you put it in the holder, save time later. what was that comment i called the stupidest 1 yet last week legal???? i want to change that to this comment.
Nearly every trading corporation out there bill. They are printed that way and normally secured somewhere. That's why they all still bear the signature of Corey Klassen. That guy hasn't been Treasurer since 03, yet all of new certs have his name stamped on them.
They know who passed them, and he will be revealed shortly. Why would someone else be allowed access to signed certs? Does "Target" ring a bell. And if you were investigating this, wouldn't you allow your target to access certs with tracking threads? Wouldn't you want your target to dump a lot of shares into the market so you could trace the monies, sources and recipients. If you all would get your heads out of the sand you would realize what is going on here.
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legal letting 703 billion shares go into the market is criminal. cmkx is destroyed because of that no matter what claimns they own. sting operation or not. the only way to fix that is to r/s a million shares into 2 or 3 shares. even frizzy says as much. but of course frizzy can't see the whole picture. only a few of the cults brainchildren can see everything. you guys should set your sites on something more usefull like finding Osama. frizzy started the lawsuit against the SEC for trading records yesterday. the SEC had said no because the info was needed for a criminal case. frizzy has a bad guy list he wants stocklien to go after. a more reasonable guess is both frizzy & the SEC are after the same thing & UC is target #1 at least on the SEC's list. thus the criminal case the SEC needs that info for. first you shut the POS company down. end the dilution completely. second you charge all guilty parties.
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IMO, Frizzell is "posturing" to put pressure on the DOJ to take long overdue action against all of the "bad guys". The SEC is not driving this vehicle, nor do they want to close CMKX down. If they wanted to, they would have long ago. They are co-operating with the "real cops" and Stoecklein.
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Well, John Martin just made a few thousand dollars for his boss. With that piece of work he just feed to the cult they will be throwing money at Frizzle.
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I have not commented on things for a long time. I think it is time to do so.
I must confess that Bill and I have had a difficult time continuing to work on this case with the lack of support from some shareholders. There are those, who are arm chair quarterbacks who think they have all the answers. (You all seem to have no trust in anyone.) There are those of you who are so caught up in UC, that you can’t see what has happened (I know, because I was there); and then there are those who see blood so red, that you are willing to file a suit at any cost for revenge.
I don’t want to forget to acknowledge the truly supportive group of the hundreds of shareholders that understand what they have in Bill Frizzell. These individuals have donated incredible amounts of time and money. In addition, many have actually taken the time to send us encouraging e-mails and cards. They have no idea how encouraging their words and gestures mean to us.
Bill Frizzell is walking a very fine line. He has to deal with some of the most selfish individuals I think I have ever encountered. He has to deal with a company that has done a lot of things wrong, HOWEVER, may have the goods. He has to deal with the SEC; he has a law license to protect; and he has to work for 5,000-6,000 shareholders who deserve to receive their due. He has to juggle information in a way that does not completely destroy the company in which we all have believed; and he has to know what to tell his clients without informing the enemy. On top of all this, he has to deal with little funding. Folks, we are spending most of our time attempting to convince people we are doing the right thing! I know you cannot see it, but Bill is spending 10-12 hours per day on this, and we are at a junction that could make or break our efforts to succeed for all of us.
Now, allow me to set some things straight. There is a concerted effort to destroy this group’s unity. Bill Frizzell has never done anything to cause anyone to doubt his word or his character. If he says there will be no class action suit, he means it! In addition, he is not going to give the information to another attorney to do so for him. If Bill says that when he files a lawsuit with a few plaintiffs for reasons that are evident, and says that all shareholders will benefit if there is a settlement, then that is the case! PERIOD! How many times do we need to state things to be believed?? Do some of you actually believe we have staged a set up to take advantage of people that have been hurt like we all have? Do you really think that? Those of you who have made comments along these lines should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh, and let me say one more thing. The Owners Group Inc was formed to attempt to prevent the scamming of innocent investors ever again - NOT because Bill and I want to line our pockets. For those of you who understand public companies, no one gets rich going public if it is done so legally and ethically - at least not until after many years of hard work! I have been literally sick to my stomach over the stench from the rotting souls from the fraudulent crooks that steal from unsuspecting shareholders all over this country. I guess I was naive as to what actually was going on out there in our markets, but some of the most gosh awful things happen out there every day, and I plan on standing up and making a difference!
I watch the boards every day, and have come to the conclusion that some people are just lonely and downright mean. They have nothing better to do than cast personal doubt on us so that others will jump on board with them. I do not think they are bashers, I just think they are people who enjoy making others think the same way they do: Misery loves company.
I know it is hard to believe, but there are some people in this world who do things for others not intending to reap reward. I know it is difficult to understand why anyone would work at least 10 hours a day and risk his Law Firm and his family for people he does not even know!
Let me tell you why Bill is such a person… because we have calls almost daily from those who fear they have lost everything. Widows who have no one to rely on who have dumped all their money into this company; people with cancer who are trying to make one last effort at supplying income for their family before they die; seasoned investors who have in excess of a million dollars at risk. The stories go on and on and on. We are almost in tears some days with the stories, as well as the cries for help.
Let me give all of you a summary of where we are in this CMKX saga.
Several years ago, some seriously evil people took advantage of Urban Cassavant. Evidently, UC bought a dirty shell when he formed CMKI. That means there was very fine print, which would cause him many problems in the future: Problems that forced him to pay extortionists along the way, i.e. a dilution agreement and toxic financing. We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. We believe it was done to keep up with the agreements in the contract. We assume UC put the claims in the 025 company for the purpose of keeping them safe. We do not think UC did this to keep them from the shareholders. Bill and I are in the process of investigating the extortionists. We think they deserve to pay for what they have done. They are present in dozens of other companies, and are doing the same thing to them. Their day is almost over!! We believe that once they are out of the way, UC will then be able to do the right thing and do whatever he must to give his shareholders their due.
Bill and I want very badly for all shareholders to be paid for their investment. We are not interested in hurting that situation in any way. Bill is not interested in long-term litigation in any way. He is not looking for job security. He is not searching for a way to make a fortune here. He is looking for a way to help all of us innocent shareholders who have been stolen from. There is no underlying reason for what he has done, or is doing, other than justice!
We need for all shareholders to rally here! The extortionists will not have to pay capital gains taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars that they have swindled if this company does not survive. We need for CMKX to make it for more than one reason, not just ourselves.
One last thought. I get numerous e-mails every day asking me if I thought there is anything left here for us shareholders. If we thought there was nothing to gain, we would have already stepped away and let you all know the facts. We believe the “goods” are there. We know we have a huge naked short (835 billion shares, including cert holders, and NOBO lists, and with just 20% of street shares faxed in, leaving 80% not even reporting! This does not begin to mention those who are not included from other countries.) These two things alone can be our winning combination.
CMKX Shareholders, it is time to UNITE!
As Bill would say, “ONWARD”
John
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Well, John Martin just made a few thousand dollars for his boss. With that piece of work he just feed to the cult they will be throwing money at Frizzle.
They hadn't got any new sign up of any significant amount in a month. I guess they were starting to miss the money a little. This should keep the cult going for a little longer. The soap opera continues. Shoot they make money on this after all. NBC could make a drama out of it and they can receive royalties. But Frizzell and UC would find a way to get that too.
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Read what Elo is saying on Sterling's board: « Reply #4 on Sept 1, 2005, 7:34pm »
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N.B. Not in chronological order.
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 04:12 PM EDT Msg. 254961 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254934 by gr8hiker.) Jump to msg. #
Hiker-our friend is travelling out of town this week but she is making some phone calls.Last she heard is a deal is all but complete but still waiting on third party verification of claims.Whether this is related to ownership or value,she is not sure.Looks like we are close to something BIG being released.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:23 PM EDT Msg. 255022 of 255058 (This msg. is a reply to 255019 by coreton67154.) Jump to msg. #
Coreton-no settlement.This is a buy out of claims.Settlement will come later from the bad guys once Frizzell and his hunting dogs are finished with them.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 07:44 PM EDT Msg. 255002 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254983 by cage228.) Jump to msg. #
Cage-Urban is ready to sign the final draft but cant until the property claims have been verified.I heard it is a very complicated situation but general terms have been agreed to subject to verification and appraisal.So have no idea on a time frame.The company is in a difficult position as it cant issue a PR on progress as it might be seen as blatant promotion by the SEC.So can only tell us when the deal is finally concluded.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:29 PM EDT Msg. 255024 of 255059 (This msg. is a reply to 255023 by fatlittleyana.) Jump to msg. #
Fatlittleyana.We will be paid cash.The buyer does not want CMKX with all its baggage.They are after hard asset claims only.So we keep CMKX or Urban might just go private.Then we also have CIM IPO coming up.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:00 PM EDT Msg. 255010 of 255059 (This msg. is a reply to 255005 by elvis-is-here.) Jump to msg. #
Elvis-everything is now as tight as a drum.Urban has not been seen in weeks.I think he must be in the hitler bunker LOL!!.As for what is being sold,we have no idea just that some of the goodies are being kept for the CIM IPO.Urban is an unusual and complex man.He needs this deal to work very badly not just for the share holders but also to regain his faltering reputation.IMO ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 03:56 PM EDT Msg. 254609 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254603 by mobydickpod.) Jump to msg. #
Moby-Urban is doing his darndest to make a deal happen.He needs to get out from this nighmare and fast.We will have a deal,no doubt about it very soon.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:41 PM EDT Msg. 255028 of 255059 (This msg. is a reply to 255025 by CHICPICK.) Jump to msg. #
CHICK-just speculating here.Its not going to be big bucks per share.Say if it were $2B.Now here is the clincher.Urban will pay on the O/S say 700B,which will mean the shorts will have to buy back the rest.So the PPS might take a very big spike when the deal is confirmed.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:48 PM EDT Msg. 255032 of 255057 (This msg. is a reply to 255026 by o2bayankee.) Jump to msg. #
02-by all means join Frizzell.I honestly believe he the one true person in all of this.He has the share holders interest at heart.Only for him we would hardly even have access to the trial transcripts.The bad guys know he coming after them and IMO with a little help from the FEDS.Any settlement in this area will only come as a result of the work done by Frizzell.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 07:30 PM EDT Msg. 254997 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254995 by sportsman93306.) Jump to msg. #
Sportsman-two seperate issues.If the criminal element had not dumped this stock into oblivion,I think we could now be trading in pennies.So they have cost us all a fortune and for many who have had to sell out, taken away their future and that of their families. I will not be happy until everything they have is taken away from them.I hope we will soon know who these people are and then put them away for 20 years. ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 06:24 PM EDT Msg. 254985 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254977 by madkapperaz.) Jump to msg. #
MAD-My good friend believes her and the only reason he tells me is to let people know there is great hope for a good outcome to all of this.He does not however want to endanger her employment and she is not an insider.IMO ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 03:59 PM EDT Msg. 1100730 of 1102889 Jump to msg. #
MR FRIZZELL
Thank you Sir for your latest efforts.I am ready for phase 3.Let the hunting dogs out and hunt down these fat pigs and put them behind bars.One point,I have my check ready if needed BUT when you take back the ill gotten gains from these criminals remember those that funded your campaign.We have a lot of fair weather friends here waiting on others to do the lifting.I think it is time to reward the OG paid up members with priority in any settlement talks.After all you represent us (OG)your paying client. ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 04:11 PM EDT Msg. 254617 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254615 by goalydad1.) Jump to msg. #
MJ and GOALY-no confirmation of a deal yet but Urban is burning the midnight oil trying to make it happen.I have no other details just the parties are very close.Lots of Attorneys and Advisers in on it now.IMO ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 04:29 PM EDT Msg. 254641 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254625 by HUSTLER7.) Jump to msg. #
HUSTLER-Calm down.Everything will be fine for the shareholders.Now some insiders might be in some serious trouble but it is trouble of their own making, GREED. CMKX is like a big ship with passengers ( us )crew (insiders) and cargo ( claims ) So what if some of the crew get busted,the ship will still sail and I think the passengers will have a great time and the cargo will be delivered.IMO ELO
By: elo54 30 Aug 2005, 08:25 PM EDT Msg. 1099679 of 1102893 (This msg. is a reply to 1099635 by 007sam.) Jump to msg. #
007-Absolutely not.Deals can still move forward for the benefit of shareholders.This is about the manipulation of not just CMKX but a host of other small companies that have gone out of business.We are lucky to have Frizzell who is going to hunt these guys down with his hunting dogs and they are going to have to pay compensation big time and may have to do time in the BIG HOUSE.IMO ELO
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jay_adobe: "richest ground in the world" (FWIW)
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 11:54 AM EDT Msg. 1101952 of 1102795 Jump to msg. #
There sure is a lot of hatred and negativity on this board nowadays. Surely you are aware that there are good things happening in the world too. Surely you remember that we are sitting on the richest ground in the world. Where's the positive?
By: TonyToX 01 Sep 2005, 12:04 PM EDT Msg. 1101981 of 1102795 (This msg. is a reply to 1101952 by jay_adobe.) Jump to msg. #
JAY-ADOBE, you know the answer to that one. we may own land that surrounds some of the richest land in the world, but all of the drilling data to date reveals that our land is not worth much.
it is only your assertion that cmkx owns valuable land, nothing more. there is no empirical evidence that our land is worth more than mud. hence, the despair among many. for the others, it is blind hope or as kierkegaard might argue, CMKX has become a religion and they have made their "leap of faith." lol
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 12:10 PM EDT Msg. 1102001 of 1102795 (This msg. is a reply to 1101981 by TonyToX.) Jump to msg. # Tony, The problem with your statement is that you are not privy to perusing "all of the drilling data". You have seen what the company wants you to see at this time. Be patient. It will all play out. The empirical data will be revealed soon enough. imo
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 12:18 PM EDT Msg. 1102039 of 1102812 (This msg. is a reply to 1102015 by alpha.rat.) Jump to msg. #
alpha, Rest assured that there is a plan in place and everything is going according to the plan. You may not get to see all the moves, but moves are being made to your benefit as a shareholder. imo
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 12:33 PM EDT Msg. 1102088 of 1102813 (This msg. is a reply to 1102071 by mobydickpod.) Jump to msg. # moby, We KNOW it is the richest. We KNOW we have been drilling. In Canada, results do not have to be publicly revealed until 2 years after the discovery. Discovery occurs when samples are assayed. We are in good hands. imo
By: smellinmoney 01 Sep 2005, 01:30 PM EDT Msg. 1102199 of 1102815 Jump to msg. # JAY- when you say event driven, what kind of events might you be referring to? some event that acts as a catalyst to put other events into motion?? like what??
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 02:31 PM EDT Msg. 1102265 of 1102815 (This msg. is a reply to 1102199 by smellinmoney.) Jump to msg. #
smellin, A catalysistic event might be something as simple as the signing of an agreement or settlement, or the reading of sample assay results, or finalizing merger documentation, or serving a subpoena. There are many events which could be catalysts.
By: viperware1 01 Sep 2005, 01:54 PM EDT Msg. 1102227 of 1102816 (This msg. is a reply to 1101983 by jay_adobe.) Jump to msg. #
Hi Jay, Not sure how you are able to deal with all of these idiots that slam you. I like your info. I missed this one about the sec timeline. Is there a link or doc that I can reference concerning this statement you mentioned. "You should expect the company to meet its timeline for the response to the SEC. That is the next milestone."
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 02:58 PM EDT Msg. 1102306 of 1102817 (This msg. is a reply to 1102299 by highflyer130.) Jump to msg. #
high, It is my understanding that Mr. Casavant is appreciative to all shareholders. He is not discriminatory or prejudiced in any way. Even naysayers and those that lost faith in him a long time ago will be rewarded. If you are in, you win. imo
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 03:09 PM EDT Msg. 1102324 of 1102817 (This msg. is a reply to 1102310 by silverbulletny1.) Jump to msg. #
silver, Understand that I am not at liberty to discuss which chat rooms I am in or have been in or will be in in the future. Just know that there are things going on behind the scenes that will work out for the benefit of the shareholders. I have never met you. That much I can reveal. imo
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L: "Nearly every trading corporation out there bill. They are printed that way and normally secured somewhere."
W: Technically, you are correct legal. However, they are kept under the supervision of the Transfer Agent/Registrar. Only Urban Casavant could have authorized their issuance, and it states on the General Ledger of the company that they were issued.
If you are saying that someone at the TA stole certificates, I suppose that is remotely possible, but that does not account for the figures itemized as issued in the General Ledger. There is no question that most of the 800 billion shares were issued under the direction and reponsibility of UC himself.
If you are saying someone other than TA personnel or UC (and family) somehow stole certs, I suppose that too could be possible. The obvious question there is why didn't anyone at the TA or UC report the theft? Where was your buddy Glenn? Or Maheu when he came on board? Who was responsible for lax security of certs? Even this does not account for the almost 800 billion shares dumped on the market and identified in the General Ledger.
Those 800 billion shares could not have been issued without the consent of Urban Casavant. No if, ands or buts about it.
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With reference to Martin's letter, I have excerpted a few of his statements and commented very briefly. They are as follows:
(You all seem to have no trust in anyone.) W: Everything about UC and CMKX in the past justifies a lack of trust....right down to pleading the 5th.
There are those of you who are so caught up in UC, that you can’t see what has happened (I know, because I was there); and then there are those who see blood so red, that you are willing to file a suit at any cost for revenge. W: If Martin was there, then exactly what is he talking about? Revenge? No, justice!
Bill Frizzell is walking a very fine line. He has to deal with some of the most selfish individuals I think I have ever encountered. W: I too am selfish about my money and do not like to get snookered or scammed.
He has to deal with a company that has done a lot of things wrong, HOWEVER, may have the goods. W: The understatement of the year!! It has not been the company but the single person running the company....namely Urban Casavant. And, "may" have the goods does not cut the mustard.
He has to juggle information in a way that does not completely destroy the company in which we all have believed; and he has to know what to tell his clients without informing the enemy. W: Getting quite tired of the all encompassing "enemy". We have heard everything from the SEC, the MMs and everyone except Mickey Mouse as the "enemy". It is really about time shareholders are told exactly who is the "enemy".
On top of all this, he has to deal with little funding. W: Phase 3 set up?
I know you cannot see it, but Bill is spending 10-12 hours per day on this, and we are at a junction that could make or break our efforts to succeed for all of us. W: What are the specifics of that "junction"? What remedy? More money?
There is a concerted effort to destroy this group’s unity. W: Sounds like ghost chasing. I think many people are just genuinely concerned about their monetary losses and honestly feel, with ample justification, the buck stops with Urban Casavant.
If Bill says that when he files a lawsuit with a few plaintiffs for reasons that are evident, and says that all shareholders will benefit if there is a settlement, then that is the case! W: Of course all shareholders will benefit, but exactly how much compared to their losses? Of course, but how much per shareholder after attorneys get their cut?
Oh, and let me say one more thing. The Owners Group Inc was formed to attempt to prevent the scamming of innocent investors ever again - NOT because Bill and I want to line our pockets. W: I thought it was to try to protect their rights as shareholders of CMKX, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was to forget about their losses and experiences with CMKX, but to make a statement about naked short selling. And, I suppose Mr.Martin has no vested interest in CMKX.
For those of you who understand public companies, no one gets rich going public if it is done so legally and ethically - at least not until after many years of hard work! W: Interesting statement, but one I cannot accept as valid.
Several years ago, some seriously evil people took advantage of Urban Cassavant. Evidently, UC bought a dirty shell when he formed CMKI. That means there was very fine print, which would cause him many problems in the future: Problems that forced him to pay extortionists along the way, i.e. a dilution agreement and toxic financing. W: Poor Urban Casavant! Couldn't he read fine print? Couldn't his lawyers read fine print? Aren't some of the people he hangs around with seriously evil people? Precisely what "problems" "forced him to pay extortionists"? Extortion is illegal isn't it? What did he do about that? What did his lawyers do about that? Was it reported to authorities and what was done about it? What is the content of that so-called dilution agreement and did Urban Casavant agree to it at any time? Exactly what toxic financing and for what purposes? Who authorized such toxic financing? Should CMKX shareholders suffer for stupidity and incompetence?
We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. W: Obviously Martin is not even sure about that, but seems to be suggesting all kinds of "trust" above. However, past performance suggests otherwise when it comes to UC.
Bill and I are in the process of investigating the extortionists. W: General and meaningless statement. Who, what, when, where, why and how?
If we thought there was nothing to gain, we would have already stepped away and let you all know the facts. W: Exactly how much monetary gain is Martin or Frizzell expecting to realize? Is that what he is talking about with the "If we thought there was nothing to gain" statement?
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: "Nearly every trading corporation out there bill. They are printed that way and normally secured somewhere."
W: Technically, you are correct legal. However, they are kept under the supervision of the Transfer Agent/Registrar. Only Urban Casavant could have authorized their issuance, and it states on the General Ledger of the company that they were issued.
If you are saying that someone at the TA stole certificates, I suppose that is remotely possible, but that does not account for the figures itemized as issued in the General Ledger. There is no question that most of the 800 billion shares were issued under the direction and reponsibility of UC himself.
If you are saying someone other than TA personnel or UC (and family) somehow stole certs, I suppose that too could be possible. The obvious question there is why didn't anyone at the TA or UC report the theft? Where was your buddy Glenn? Or Maheu when he came on board? Who was responsible for lax security of certs? Even this does not account for the almost 800 billion shares dumped on the market and identified in the General Ledger.
Those 800 billion shares could not have been issued without the consent of Urban Casavant. No if, ands or buts about it.
Did you read John Martin's letter posted above as you commented on it?
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Sure did, and don't buy most of it. Not that it bothers me, but I guess I qualify as one of those doubters he is pointing his finger at. I would say he is missing one hell of a lot of critical information that most have already seen and digested with logic.
The main problem I see with the OG group is that they refuse to see the fact that Urban Casavant (and probably members of his family as well as various associates?) are just as responsible for what has happened to CMKX as has anyone else. If there is any litigation, there is no question in my mind that UC must be included as a defendant....and probably the major defendant.
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My problem is he states the reason UC put claims in other names was so the bad guys couldn't get them. So why would you pay extortion if they couldn't take your goods anyway. And like Wallace stated, it's illegal and UC wouldn't have to pay unless he had something to hide.
Sounds to me like the OG needed more money and played to the base. I already see from PB that people plan on throwing money their way after this letter and from the first time I read it the letter looked like a way to get more money.
Why blame UC knowing it would cut your money off. Blame everyone else and once you get them under the gun, I am sure they will squeal like stuck pigs. That UC gave them shares to sell in exchange for paybacks. Let them blame UC and you save face.
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I know that most people that are duped and conned like UC, take the fifth so they can get blamed for no reason other then to protect the people that extored him. Yeah that makes sense. lol
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1) Martin said he was there. What the hell does that mean? All I know is that such a statement says nothing.
2) And don't I recall that Martin stated he would cover all costs not covered by the OG members. Guess he just wants to lower his expenses for the time being.
3) I am willing to bet that Martin would be the plaintiff on any suit taking place in the future against anyone. Duuhhhh!!!
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i agree with wallace. if someone or a group of ppl are out to extort money the answer is very simple, call a cop. you dont destroy a company, dilute the value, if any, to the tune of 703.5 billion shares. you call the feds, show them the extortion info, a wire tap & its over. also you dont hand relatives billions of shares that they then sell almost the same day into the market.
that said, i'm not real sure frizzy is out to scam cmkx cult members. i would think he is walking a tightrope. on 1 hand he has to service his clients, on the other he needs cmkx to think he is not against them to get whatever info he can. he can't have UC telling stocklien to cut him off. as for the hrs a day on this, i'm guessing 5 or 6 are just talking to cmkx cult members telling him what to do. i'll give frizzy the benifit of the doubt for now as there is not incriminating evidence yet. UC on the other hand is guilty as hell. the evidence against him is huge & growing.
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I don't think Frizzy is scamming either but. Martin supposedly has to pay the bill if the cult doesn't sign up for the OG. And phase 2 only got 2200 sign ups and I bet Frizzells bill is getting large. And thats not paying the bills. Only 100 new sign ups in the last few weeks. They need members because I know that Martin said he would pick up the tab but not sure he really expected to and the phase 2 numbers are bad. That's why I think Martin put this out. It wasn't a Frizzell letter. But also I think Frizzell can't go after UC either. He already has been told that he would lose all support if he does. So I do think this was a pump for money from John Martin. And I do think that Frizzell knows UC is a bad guy and that it will come out. But he isn't going to do it.
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Most of posters here are BASHERS. My question to you is how much that criminal group paid you to attack 24/7 a stock trading near ZERO ??? I am unemployed and want this job so bad !!!
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I thought we had the same boss. Everyone has their own reasons. Its a message board and one nice thing about America is freedom of speech. But there are a lot of friends here and most are seasoned veterans on this board and well respected. We have fun here thats our payment. But I do agree with you on your bashing.
quote:Originally posted by kissme: ICAN stole the PR from QBID and got back-fired. This POS is not going anywhere. What a stupid company !!!
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" We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. We believe it was done to keep up with the agreements in the contract. We assume UC put the claims in the 025 company for the purpose of keeping them safe. We do not think UC did this to keep them from the shareholders"
black & white, cmkx has no claims. all are in 1 company. remember the 8k? the drilling report? legal you keep saying there were more then 1 company holding the claims. this says differant. that report did not say they found the "goods". it is possible there is a pipe or 2 worth mining but it hasn't been found yet & no money to search. also martin says he is hopeful UC didn't dilute but he did it to pay contracts. UC did it, not ppl stole the shares & issued them. if this selling of shares was because of a bad contract & UC gave a chit he would have issued & r/s'ed till everything was covered & gave the reason in a 8K not just run the o/s to such stupid numbers. his pumping on the track, paying ppl to pump thus sucking in more ppl to buy his shares says the o/s didn't have much to do with contracts. toxic funding can also put cash in accounts fast. martin says you dont go public to become a millionaire...UC sure has a millionaires home, somebody had to pay for that.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i agree with wallace. if someone or a group of ppl are out to extort money the answer is very simple, call a cop. you dont destroy a company, dilute the value, if any, to the tune of 703.5 billion shares. you call the feds, show them the extortion info, a wire tap & its over. also you dont hand relatives billions of shares that they then sell almost the same day into the market.
that said, i'm not real sure frizzy is out to scam cmkx cult members. i would think he is walking a tightrope. on 1 hand he has to service his clients, on the other he needs cmkx to think he is not against them to get whatever info he can. he can't have UC telling stocklien to cut him off. as for the hrs a day on this, i'm guessing 5 or 6 are just talking to cmkx cult members telling him what to do. i'll give frizzy the benifit of the doubt for now as there is not incriminating evidence yet. UC on the other hand is guilty as hell. the evidence against him is huge & growing.
Call a cop??? Isn't that what I have been saying happened for months now. Remember STING? Once they were in, I think they allowed further dilution in order to track the flow of shares, money and the people who were NSing.
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legal, you dont dilute hundreds of billions of shares to do that. you might dilute a few billion but thats it. the cops would not destroy a compny in a sting. that paper trail your taking about could be done quite easily without hundreds of billions of shares. every person that worked for cmkx got millions in cash for shares, family members got millions, UC aint broke, he lent $15 million to UCSA. cops would not do that crooks would. you think cops are going to buy the o/s down to hundreds of millions?
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, you dont dilute hundreds of billions of shares to do that. you might dilute a few billion but thats it. the cops would not destroy a compny in a sting. that paper trail your taking about could be done quite easily without hundreds of billions of shares. every person that worked for cmkx got millions in cash for shares, family members got millions, UC aint broke, he lent $15 million to UCSA. cops would not do that crooks would. you think cops are going to buy the o/s down to hundreds of millions?
If you are doing a sting on NS and the shorters are buying in the billions then you have to issue multiple billions. Have you forgotten the Jeffries letter. They alone had taken in 111 billion alone. How many MM's were involved in the NS. Urban once mentioned 23 companies that were involved in selling CMKX. That list was put out along with the appeal to pull certs. What do you suppose he was asking that for?
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.
I will consider sending Frizz some money. As soon as he proves that he isnt trying to rip me off a second time. Any money he gets from me will be from the NET PROFITS I get from selling my CMKX stock. And not a second sooner. I didnt hire him and I trust him as far as I can throw my house. Show me PROOF and make me money. Then we'll talk about YOUR cut.
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